When should Habs shift focus from rebuild to winning?
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- čas přidán 18. 02. 2024
- With a wealth of picks, and young players like Juraj Slafkovsky, Kaiden Guhle and Samuel Montembeault proving they are good NHL players, is the time now for the Habs to shift their focus from rebuilding to winning? Mike Johnson and Craig Button discuss.
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Stop! Why can’t you show a little patience??
The Habs need to put together an effective 2nd line but even more importantly they have to fix their defensive structure.
Hughes has been open about 2025-26 being the season where he wants the team to start competing...
Suzuki and Caufield will have requested trades by then lol
@@Kevin-qg2vs Why? They know in what team they sign when they sign for 8 years...
@@Kevin-qg2vs suzuki and caufield tasted a Stanley final with the CH, they both signed long terme with the CH. They know they are the core of the franchise at the moment. No reason to drop that when we have so much prospects to help them in the near future.
@@Kevin-qg2vs Both guys are locked for the next 8 years on team friendly contracts, and are the Habs main core offensive producers that the new management are trying to build around. Stop talking out of your ass thinking they'll ask to get traded.
We need to let some of your prospects like Hutson and others like beck and Roy and not to forget Fowler developed and not rush them
Hutson is too small. If he doesn't grow, he will not be an NHL d man.
@@user-qo1gk2kj3e DeBrincat was to small but look at him now
@@Habsfan56744 I'll take 6'2" plus over 5'9" every time
@@user-qo1gk2kj3ehe’s the same height as Quinn Hughes
@@user-qo1gk2kj3e he's the same height as quinn hughes
Ok, Craig is smoking some goodie goods again. Craig only speaks for hab fans that don’t have patience🥵
Craig contradicts himself month to month.
Disagree with Button as usual - we have Lane Hutson and David Reinbacher who will need time to develop. We need Kirby Dach to have a full season and we need Alex Newhook to develop some chemistry with someone. We need Joshua Roy and Owen Beck to take further strides in their development. We need to see if Florian Xhekaj is having a unicorn season or if he's the real deal. What we do NOT need is the pressure of winning on all these young players in the city of Montreal NOW.
I agree, the real club is not there yet.
Agree
The first 5 words. COuld not agree more. Everything he is saying is complete BS all the time.
@@colinlaliberte470 real
Great stuff, agreed that the time is this trade deadline/offseason.
I agree, I think Montreal next year can compete for a wild card spot. The team took big strides this year, unfortunately, players like Dach and Newhook have missed time, but I believe another year under their belt and continuing to learn how to win in this league has been super beneficial to the team's overall development and I think they are on the right path. What is hurting the team is their cap, they have players who don't play up to their contract and are quiet frankly pulling the team down
The team is statistically one of the worst teams in the league and you think next year they will compete? Bro we are not watching the same team🤣
@@Whatdoingdog44Stats don't always tell the whole story. Yeah sure, statistically this season Habs right now are one of the bottom 10 teams of the league. Mainly due to dealing with injuries yet again, some veteran guys who are underperforming, and having to deal with a 3 goalie system throughout the year. But despite all that, the Habs as a whole have significantly improved compared to last season in terms of performance. This year they've competed harder and keep games close for the most part against the top teams in the league, which has been more entertaining to watch, and the younger players development seems to be moving in the right direction. If the Habs can build a solid 2nd line with a better balanced bottom 6 compared to what they have currently, and continue to strengthen the team defensive coverage, I don't see why the Habs can't compete for a playoff spot in the near future?
@@Whatdoingdog44 no doubts the stats are awful, I can agree on that, I am looking at the improvements from the start of the year where let's be honest were a lot worse than they are now. The PowerPlay has improved, the PK has improved and 5v5 is much better than it was at the start of the year. Also doesnt help having a 3 goalie rotation with mid goaltending at best. Montreal also has if Im not mistaken, gone to overtime the most in the NHL this season. They are far away from making the playoffs in their division, but that second wild card is the one I would be aiming for next season. Like they mentioned in the video, they have a ton of draft picks and a deep prospect pool so its time to move those pieces and start bringing in players who will contribute and strengthen the weak points of the team.
Lane hutson should be 1st, this kid gonna be a star!
Yea Lane is definitely 1st, don’t think anyone thinks otherwise. Pretty sure he just had Roy there because he has some NHL experience now.
@@crazeinthedarkHutson the real deal
Too small
@@Jerry-lw6uf what did they say about Caufield, or St Louis?
@@crazeinthedark are they defensemen ?
As a long time fan of the Bleu-Blanc-Rouge, who by the way thought that they should have been in a rebuild mode as far back as the 1990s, this season is going like I expected. Within reach of the playoffs for part of this season, but fading in February. It started happening late in January . They should use the rest of this season to improve defensively, and have at least the resemblance of secondary scoring line. Losing Dach as early as they lost sure put a monkey wrench inyo things.
We need 2 perfect and 1 solidly competitive lines. We have one perfect yet. We have to start to use prospects in the NHL.
After all, we are le Canadiens de Montréal, the best and most presitigious franchise in the sport. Every other fanbase = kneel.
Au sujet de la fin du vidéo, Patrick Roy a dit récemment en tant que coach des Islanders qu'en 92 quand Jacques Demers leur a dit qu'ils allaient surprendre le monde du hockey et gagner la coupe les joueurs dans le vestiaire se regardaient entre eux et personne n'était convaincu. Jacques Demers est un génie du coaching.
Agree with u guys !!
I would like the habs pick Cayden Lindstrom and try to trade draft pick to move between 14-17 overall and add Tij Iginla
With them Mtl will be a playoff team for many year
Caufield Suzuki Slafkovsky Dach Lindstrom Iginla Newhook Roy Beck
👆 that start to looking something good
Next year they can easily make a playoff appearance....gunna need a d man though to help out these young guys....could a Ryan McDonagh be interested alongside of a Sarros can be very interesting. Nsh needs to cash in now during this retool of theirs....having 2 top 15 picks is huge... having McDonagh and Matheson sounds like a top pair to me...
If the Habs can land Celebrini or Cayden Lindstrom I think they’ll be ready to compete by 2025-2026. Their top 4 D pairing will be Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson and Mailloux who all have great upside and their top 6 with Suzuki and Celebrini/Lindstrom up the middle with a matured Slafkovsky and hopefully Kirby Dach getting over his injuries has the potential to be unreal in 2 years. The only area of question is goaltending but they’ve got some promising prospects. They just have to get rid of the bad contracts somehow (Gallagher/Anderson etc)
I don't think gally is going anywhere, to big a contract and too old of a player. Anderson is more doable if money is retained. But I agree a whole host of players need to be removed first.
I think the habs could make the playoffs this season, nevermind the next one. It would be hard to reach, but it is well within the realm of possibility to do it. They won't get past the first round, but it will turn heads around the league andgive a morale boost to the team, letting the current roster know that they can get there.
They should be a playoff in 2-3 years
We can't make a lot of progress signing new players until we can get rid of our bad contracts. Gally, Anderson, and Armia. We have 16 million tied up in these 3 low return contracts. Hughes doesn't like to give players away for zero but he should with these players. We cannot bring up prospects, or sign some high-end talent, until these players are off the books. I would love to see Hughes and Gorton solve this problem asap, even though it will be hard to do.
Montreal has to trade for a guy like Draisaitl/Pettersson. I see at top 6 of: Suzuki,Caufield,Slaf, Celebrini,( Montreal has the assets to move up), Drisaitl/Pettersson, Dach/Newhook. That’s deadly. But for now, let’s hope that Fowler turns out to be our #1 goalie. With Monty the backup.
They gotta clear the books too maybe after gallagher, armia,Savard
2026/2027 very simple
You really think Suzuki and Caufield wanna keep losing for 3 more years? Lol
@@Kevin-qg2vs you really think Matthews,marner,nylander,ect want to keep losing 😂 would rather miss the playoffs than lose in the 1st round over and over
Mesar IQ can can revive the defense
They have a host of players they need to get rid of, bring up the young players they want on the team long term, and pick up some scorers either by trade or free agency like perhaps a Sam Reinhart. Either way the holding on to guys to get the best deal situation is getting old and I agree the time is now to start splashing around in the pool.
The answer is a simple one...focus on winning NEXT year, after this springs draft.
Not next season. Season after (25/26) is when they should be ready to make the playoffs, if not necessarily contend.
Next year, compete for playoffs. In 2 years, compete for Division/Conference. In 3 years, compete for the cup for at least 3 years. You don't want your players to all reach free agency at the same time. You CAN compete for a Stanley Cup with a couple of sophomores and rookies. Maybe, displace plan for one year, but you surely need to stop tanking as soon as next year, I hope.
Not having lane Hutson as the top ranked prospect for the Canadians is crazy to me
I think 1 more years, it's in this time when the temptation is great you could miss a reconstruction. Don't forget dach will be back new year
Problem is that they have no cap space, Gallagher and Anderson contracts are horrendous and dont end until 2027-2028
We actually do have cap space.
Defense and goaltending are too inconsistent. Too many games lost to injury, which affects the consistency.
They need a solid 1A goalie (Monty and Primeau are 1B at best). They have young talent still in the AHL and NCAA and need 2 - 3 years in the NHL to develop. The current #1 line will have 3 - 4 years of playing together at the point when all of the other pieces will be ready AND they will be rid of the putrid Bergevin contracts that will allow them to sign 2 or 3 key free agents to fill key gaps and get them into the conference finals for a 4 - 5 year stretch.
Most important immediate acquisition is a training staff to keep them fit and healthy otherwise they will never contend.
They better compete for a wildcard spot next year
I disagree with Craig. The sheer numbers of picks alone, plus the current prospects that will be nhl ready next season, and the following season after that, and the current young core brings an exciting opportunity to build a dynasty. I'd rather see the Habs miss the playoffs next year but then make them non wild card for 5-6 straight years, instead of sacrificing part of the core to be a wild card next year and then miss them again.
Anything of quality takes time to obtain
Habs need a vet like a better version of Monahan that can bang good at faceoffs that could move anywhere in the line up guy like Trocheck and let the kids do the scoring. Fill the team with grinders and power fowards and rely on young prospect to score
Habs need Monahan.
100% habs make the playoff next year
Zegras and one of demidov/lindstrom or catton and we chilling
They should wait. Winning in the NHL these days requires to have as many players in their prime as possible, which means wait until the core players are the veterans in the locker room
Roy ranked above Hutson is insane
The Habs are close to finishing the rebuild
26/27 last year of gallaghers contract
Go habs go
After next season.
Trade for Byfield and rebuild over. 1stSuzuki Caulfield slafkovsky 2nd Dach Byfield Newhook 3rd Beck Roy Anderson 4th Dvorak Evens Florian rebuild over start having fun.. trade Mesar Harris wpg 1st allian1/2 this year for Byfield
Might be a question in coaching.
Don’t…
Don’t give me hope 😔
They’re still 3 years away
sadly yes.. i give them 3 years without playoff until i start complaining lol
They need another year of tanking in 24-25. Then start moving toward the playoffs.
Just because you are not a good team, does NOT mean you are tanking. I would argue Montreal has never tanked.
@@WillMuny Call it what you want (although 21-22 was tanking by almost any reasonable definition), I just think they need another top pick next season before playoffs become the priority.
This is a terrible take by Button (though that is not surprising). Competing for a playoff spot next year is NOT music to Habs fans' ears. We want to compete for cups, not playoff spots, and are more than willing to wait a couple more years before we start investing in the present. Does Button seriously think that sending away draft picks for players in their prime now would turn us into cup contenders? That is absolutely ridiculous.
5 years from now…
Imma say it Habs would be better off with no media and no fans... i mean theyve proved that its the media and fans that are their problem. I mean didnt they make it to the cup when there was no media no fans...
Please do not get Zegras. Kid is all flashing showboat goals and no skill to actually help win
When they trade for a goalie (Yaroslav Askarov)
Montambault is not consistent enough to be a number 1
2025-26
2047
ZEGRAS
They need a young #1 C to play in front of Suzuki. There’s no need to rush the rebuild also look at how that turned out for the senators
ANSWER: its not up to TSN, or the legion of moronic hockey fans (that think they know best). Its up to the coaching staff, and management. and Thankfully, we pay these experts tons of cash to make these decisions. THANK GOD we dont allow fans or sports media to make these decisions.
haha. They'll be so mediocre if they stop the rebuild already.
Montreal won a league record 24 Stanley Cups already meaning they don't need to win anymore as no one will be able to match or surpass Montreal's NHL record of 24 Stanley Cups won.
Immediately. Don't ruin the stud farm with perpetual losing.
Tank this year - Win next year. Last year to rebuild
Get a real goalie first
How was Craig Button ever a GM in this league? Seriously. It's unbelievable. His takes are so awful.
No more rebuild !!
Start winning now !!
The tank fans are in love with loosing !!!
Losing*
Just offer a "you even skate, bro?" Then slap them for thinking they're capable of forming a relevant opinion.
Habs fans are greedy as winning an NHL record 24 Cups isn't enough for them as they always want more.
Habs should trade for McDavid.
When everyone on the roster gets traded