Turbocharging a Stock 460 Big Block Ford for Massive (And Affordable) Power - Engine Power S10, E5
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- New 2023 episode! Not everybody’s got big money to build big power. With that in mind, we push a stock Big Block Ford to the limit by adding a budget minded turbocharger. The result: BIG BOOSTED TORQUE on the cheap!
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This is an awesome show guys. We’ve been force fed so much LS stuff on you tube that this is an amazing departure. Way to go guys!
@@bigboreracing356 Hmmm…..evidently your tender LS feelings were bruised. I’m a Ford fan……but that’s my fault.
@bigboreracing356 thank you for your LGBTQ-FJB opinion
@@bigboreracing356 Can’t we all just sit and have a Bud Lite together?
Some room temp IQs in this comment thread.
@@rhubarbpie2027 picking on the LS fan boys 😱
We definitely need a 3 part series. Mild to Wild. Would love to see 20+lbs of boost. 😅
i'd love to see the bottom end of this motor built, an e85 efi setup installed. i wanna see how much torque this thing can make. at less than 10 psi its over 700! at 20 psi this thing could make a stock cummins go "what!?"
Frankie and Pat's chemistry on this show is top notch! I wish all powerblock shows (cough carcass cough) could do the same
"Carcass" is such an appalling show because they just throw things together and don't actually restore anything.
Kind of.. ya know, like the name???
Carcass is a amazing show and it’s a non traditional car show, cause they throw in parts and make it cool
WOW! That's a weak cam... even for a stock cam... must be an emissions truck cam...
That carcass show is trying to do roadkill builds.
I like these engines that have the distributor in the correct location
FINALLY, a new engine power episode. Where have you guys been? 😢
I have a D0VE 429 block with Boss main webs, billet steel splayed center main caps. I’ve seen the exact same block/setup support over 1000 Hp for many years…
Don’t care what anyone has to say. The big block Ford is the best factory block for making hp… Blocks will fit a 4.5” crank, massive head bolts, tall decks… What more could you ask for…? Big hp and big torque… Reliably… 557 cubes on a stock block… 😏
Yeah the 429 is because they are easy to find with a 4 bolt main, but the 460’s are very hard to come by with a 4 bolt main. Big block Chevys are king in my opinion as far as cost to built and parts availability. To each is your own I enjoy when people put the correct motors in the correct cars, ie. played out foxbodys with ls swaps. I love a hot 408 Windsor stroker in a fox.
No difference in a 429/460 block they are the same. Also, you do not want a 4 bolt block, you want a 2 bolt DOVE block , so you can put a splayed cap on it, and have a block much stronger than a factory 4 bolt vertical bolt cap block. Also, on no planet are 4 bolt blocks “easy to find”. They were only used on CJ/SCJ cars. Leave the factory 4 bolt blocks for oem restorations. A filled dove block at stock or close to stock bore size with a splayed cap will support 2000k plus hp in turbo applications on acohol.
@@mitchanderson5813 yeah… guy obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about… People always think factory 4 bolt blocks are the best thing ever. When like you said, a two bolt block like mine with splayed center mains is much stronger… People don’t understand. Two bolts both vertical rather close to each other isn’t doing anything… Take those extra bolts and put them on an angle to get out in the the web structure of the block and further apart… Now you’re doing something. Plus two fasteners are pulling in two different directions… Guy offered me $1,200 for my block before I ever machined it lol. Ford guys know what block is king…
@@frankensteincreations4740 I think it's pretty well established that earlier engines with non deep skirted mains had issues with flexing especially when big block Ford cranks have 40+ lbs over the bbc. Youre right in that he huge main bolt size and large caps provide a ton of clamping force but when you take an early d0ve block compared to a d9, you see the additional material added below the centerline of the crank as well as the longer skirt.
The 429/460 is the king of heavy rotating assembly and is well known for trying to walk the mains especially on 2 bolt blocks.
You may not have personally had issues and while there is many people making crazy power on a 2 bolt block, there's documented evidence of main caps shifting or walking and that is precisely where a 4 vertical main bolt block will help, and adding cross bolts on top of that make a very stout support for the crank. Even though the fasteners are both pulling the same direction, you still have twice the clamping force, twice the shear resistance, and they can be replaced with studs which are more even at applying clamping force yet. Not to mention the girdles and windage devices that can bolt in with the mains and further beef the bottom end.
This is why basically every production engine now has cross bolted 4-6 bolt mains with a deep skirt for more material around the crank. They learned from the past.
@@frankensteincreations4740 what exactly was written in my post that implied I didn’t know what I was talking about? Because I stated that BBF’s are rarely found with factory 4 bolt mains? You can put custom splayed mains on almost every motor from this era. Doesn’t make it special, it’s aftermarket and it’s very costly to get all of that machine work done. I was stating that Chevys are more popular because their cheaper to build on a budget, especially because of the marine and motor home blocks you can pickup for cheap. Sure with enough time and money anything is possible. I said I like when people keep ford motors in fords because you always see Chevy motors swapped into foxbodys because they are…. You guessed it cheaper to build and make big power. The 460 is a more niche motor and not many people use them in builds anymore. You can get big block power out of lighter smaller small blocks. All the boomers love raving about splayed caps and technology that ain’t worth the time and effort anymore unless your going for.. your guessed it the correct motor for that car “originality”.
I experienced the raw power of stock 460 cid Ford engines in my Lincoln MK III and MK IV's from 1970-1974. I would tune the carburetors and change the distributor advance curve, in order to achieve as much as 20 MPG. I built 427's and 428's for competition. The 50's, 60's and 70's were good ol' times for me.
Ford burned the midnight oil when they put that early 460 together.
Early 460s were good. Lots of rotating weight but good heavy duty engines that could go hundreds of thousands
Former biz partner has a 80s? Ford Centurion with over 300k on it towing his 36ft chris craft from Ca to Fla and back still ran like a top. Never knew about those engines til then.
what would you do to the timing curve to get that mpg?......I have a 75 Continental with a 460. I just got done swapping the intake to a Performer(non-rpm) and an Edelbrock AVS 500cfm.
I call BS on 20mpg
I keep my 460 tuned fairly well and get 15 mpg. Its not stock. It will pull anything with your foot barely on the gas.
I built that same setup 13 years ago with a s475 turbo and put it in a 73 maverick grabber. It went 6.6@106 on 12 psi boost
How did you fit all that in? NA 460 85 Stang it was a nightmare to tighten headers. But sure was fun!
Did u have to get a stang k frame instead of the shock towers etc? I just a 73 maverick & am looking to put a bbf in a while
That’s what I’ve been wanting to see from you guys for a long time. Doing a before and after with a simple cam swap, would be a great cool too. But I think they should big bang it.
Yes!! Finally! A big block for turbo build! Y’all gonna do a more serious version next? This was so cool! Diesel numbers
It would be great to have an obs dually with 460 and throw a turbo on it
Have these guys built a diesel because I want to see it
@@BruceLee-xn3nn Only problems with trying to shoehorn a turbo into the OBS’s are the turbo piping, mounting location, dealing with the stock efi system, and converting it to speed density (I think) air flow.
This is awesome! I love all the budget-minded turbo stuff, big block Ford, carb, turbo. Please do more, I'm here to watch all of it!
The chrome valve covers definitely gave it extra horsepower
Guaranteed 20hp
This would be great for a big farm truck.
or anything with room for a really large fuel tank...
@@fraserhenderson7839 1970s truck mostly got two tanks
Great video. A 460 from a Lincoln pre 72 without all the emissions would have been interesting to see.
Couldn't handle any where near the same level of boost with the 10.5:1 minimum compression of the pre 72 engines, likely you would end up making less power...
Why wouldn’t make any more power what would 10.5 compression cause it not to make power in the pre-72 bbf, I’m just curious why you say this
@@robbyshinault1069 You obviously have no functional knowledge about turbo charging. You can't run high compression ratio's with turbo's unless you like shattering pistons. Pressurizing the induction charge raises the peak cylinder pressure as you are jamming more air in to the cylinder. At 7psi boost you are increasing the peak cylinder pressure by about 50%, in effect you are raising the compression ratio but with additional air instead of a smaller combustion chamber. Adding any amount of induction boost with an already high compression ratio and you will quickly exceed the limits of internal components and end up with detonation. SO with a higher compression engine you would have to run much much lower boost, lower boost equals less oxygen in the induction charge , less oxygen in the induction charge equals less power made. If you want to make power with a Turbo in a gasoline engine you run lower compression ratios simple as that...
@@matthewq4b All new engines have high compression and turbo. Low compression forced induction was like 30 years ago when we didnt have good computers to help with engine management
@@matthewq4b It's 2023. 10.25:1 compression, and boost is easy, modern GTDI engines are 11:1 compression and turbocharged. EFI and E85 make things possible that you don't know about. You must not know about methanol fuel either....
As another ford guy, we need a build series on this engine like the 300 straight six.
I ran a BBF with an HX 55 turbo in a 65 GMC . It ran low 10s. Had to set the engine back 12 inches and down 8 to make it work.
Sweet, a Ford in a Chevy/GM, kool, rare sight indeed..lol
Thank God someone FINALLY mentioned the fact that spring pressure goes down as boost goes up! I applaud!!
Put e85 in it, 69/70 straight up timing chain , and a efi/carb to make fueling it easy, and try this again with more boost. Ijs
Needs more boost I ran as high as 20 pounds on my 460 for years. Never had a problem
Sure you did, you act like you have a youtube channel where you build bad ass cars with your lovely family and pet goats. Its not like you're building a super cool twin turbo BBF drag car now. If you were I'd tell people to subscribe if they like wholesome content thats actually achievable and full of great information and tips. So don't act like you have an awesome Playlist for new viewers who love good automotive videos they could watch for days free. .....lol. In all seriousness, I love your channel bro, your family is beautiful, and your pet goats are hilarious. SLEEPERDUDE FTW.
460 in my truck now. Considering a rebuild. Thank you for what seems like a great, reasonably economical option!
Look into Jon Kaase SR71 heads. Worth their weight in gold on a 460.
@@johnkelly928 Do those work well on a stocker as well? One of these days I'm going to get myself a F-600 dump truck and extra power is always more fun. Thankfully those trucks are usually pretty inexpensive so might be able to find some extra cash for heads. Not planning on a rat rod but using it for hauling gravel and my little dozer.
@@Parents_of_Twins they work well on everything! With a dead stock, 1972 460 factory crank, rods, pistons and short block basically, with a trick flow top end kit/roller conversion/msd/big headers will make right around 600-650hp with the right carb, some modern timing and a big fuel pump. The best part is the power curve is increased more drastically BELOW peak, with as much as 350 more ft lbs of torque and lower in the rpm, like diesel torque low. I've seen them squeeze 750-850 ft lbs of torque out of these set ups with the trick flow or SR71 heads. Basically if it's not making 500hp and more torque you've put something together wrong! With a race prepped 598 inch stroker kit you could be talking over 1000 horses and 900-1100 ft lbs of monster truck torque with some big money.
I'm currently looking for a 70- 79 lincoln mark 2 door 460 equipped car (the earlier the better) for my next build, where I will be giving it the 460 to 598 cubic inch stroker kit with azf flying magnet crank trigger and a quiet roller gear drive, BIG SECRET roller cam, 1.7 rockers atop the double coil valve springs with guide plates a d hardened push rods and a that mess for high rpm use. I'll be putting a set of the biggest and polished up SR71's flowed out to the max with a double fuel injection set up like the new mustangs have (so it's nice and driveable at 2500hp); then I'll add an electric water pump now that they're lasting 100k+, big twin turbos thru 4 inch good mufflers to keep it as quiet as possible. I'll reinforce the 9 inch with a mini tub and narrow job, adding discs out back and big spline axles. I'll probably stick with a well built big block C6 or aod, maybe even put a pickup truck zf 5 speed in it or a 6 speed tremec out of a firebird or Vette, that would be cool! - an old school Lincoln with a 5 or 6 speed clutch in it? Hell yeah
In a working truck, stick with iron heads. Less trouble.
@@jesse75Less trouble??? I'm not seeing any trouble with saving a ton of weight off the nose with aluminum heads! Or any trouble with much better flow than an iron head, or much better combustion chambers.
Well done fellas. Would love to now see some very progressive, stepwise improvements carried out, such as heads, cams etc. Cheers,
Lachlan, Adelaide, Australia.
Hi mate adelaide to 460 lincoln
Excellent video! Love the stock based videos.
🎉 wow great to see! That is what we all builds at home! I wana see more of this stuff! Go on the limit from stock parts to see what power level they can handle! GREAT SHOW!
Do same test with sniper injection
That would make a great pulling engine or daily driver. Love my 460. Makes power easy.
E4ODs looking at the dyno passes like 👁️👄👁️
Seriously I'd love to see some bigger valves, a quick home port job, and a real cam, and a swap meet hi-po intake it would absolutely rip!
Or just more boost. Seriously 7.5psi is child’s play even for a stock engine.
@@johndelta00 Stock 460 isn't the same as a stock 454, 440. It was built/designed for trucks, pickups, station wagons, heavy cars with towing packages.
Stepping up from stock OEM parts specs it could be built, but like these guys stated on the last pull, 9psi on a heavy foot driven stock 460/472 wouldn't last. Your 7.5psi, yes, even they stated that's the top number to go with.
Now they can be built, cuz built one for a pulling truck. Cost a ton of money and time, never went to pieces, and was a beast, but it wasn't like starting with a stock 454, 440, and the useable stock parts that could be left in them.
@@Ray56z Speaking from experience are you? You’ve turbocharged one or more?
Just an earlier set of factory heads will wake it up a bunch. CJ heads will be even better, but you can get some aftermarket ones a lot cheaper nowadays.
@@johndelta00 Built 2 normally asperated for street use, helped build and maintain the one I mentioned my cuz built, twin turskies.
Plus, these guys pretty much laid it out about stock, and Ford didn't design this to be used universal in applications like the 454 or 440 were. There was nothing about this design beyond low RPM torque.
Ford made 3 motors that were designed for nothing but torque as far as I'm concerned. 300 I-6, 385, 460.
That turbo 472 would be perfect in something like a 4WD 1979 Ranger.
did you mean to say Ford Courier
Thank you guys! Love your Ford 460 projects!
I would like to see the exact same setup on a setup of dove heads and flat tops please
Might be too much compression for boost on pump gas. CJ engines ran true flat tops with one valve relief and came in at a nominal 11.3 compression. Add in the extra 43 cubes this engine has and it would be up near 12.
Might be smarter to port these high port heads.
Just port those D3 exhaust ports.
This is awesome. 500 horsepower thats crazy crazy.
Love these 'do more for minimal cost' videos. Where I live, there are plenty of huge junkyards with used parts for this engine, so this project is very do-able.
Love the old school Ford stuff . These are the scenarios I dream of lol thx
As a Chevy guy, I approve of this build! SO COOL!!
Time for a Turbo FE!
Yeah, I was gonna say, under boost might wanna tighten the spark plug gaps and get a bit spicier distributor. Crazy what some of these older heavy engines can make when ya add newer turbos.
That would be great in a 70s LTD sleeper
Not trying to poke holes in your exhaust pressure but as I understand it, it is the expansion of the exhaust gases that spin the turbo, not the pressure from the flow of exhaust. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Great video on the 460, this engine is a solid foundation with more room for growth and beefier components than it's competition from it's day and does not get the credit it deserves.
stock 460 from the seventies are very strong. The boost and power gains on this project was modest. Detonation would be the bigest concern.
I would like to see them build a traditional 351 clevor, with the oe Cleveland heads
The 427 Windsor Warrior they built would make a great "Clevor".
Nothing beats a big block especially with a turbo on it
Yes I agree as a ford guy it’s a great change from all the Chevy stuff
I run 22psi and 26* of timing on my stock 460. S475 t6. Tunnel ram and a cam really wakes these piles up.
Hell yeah! What’s it in?
@@travistorres1388 it's my race truck. I have a bunch of mashed up parts on it. Black ford f350 in my videos
Yeah, they are not pushing that 460 anywhere near its limit. Those things are tough. A 351w will handle that power level with a stock bottom end.
I knew I’d see ya here😂
@@marcusandre1438 hahahaha....sup
I HAVE BEEN WAITING ON THIS VERY COMBO! HAPPY YOU FINALLY DID IT. Thanks Pat and Frankie. 😂
Turbo flathead next 😂😅 Or an old 223 inline 6!!!
This is the coolest thing I’ve seen all day!
Pat and Frankie worked well together and there chemistry is perfect and this is totally amazing pair
Step it up. Go for fuel injection, stronger internal components and more boost.
Great job!! Love those big block fords!!!
I love it! Will you guys ever do a vortec 8100 build? I love seeing the low rpm dyno pulls with big blocks and inline 6s.
Now I want to see a solid build with a little bigger cam before and after boost.
Watch some Richard Holdener videos, he’s done plenty of these.
Love this! Have a 429 in my F100 and my dads 70 Tbird with suicide doors. Have always wanted to do something like this.
It's you guys who got me to want My f150 4.9 to run even better. My friend and I are working on a supercharged 300
Is that the most underrated engine ever for building or what! Giving the 455 a serious run for the money!
I had a 460 in a truck with the ZF 5 speed and it could pull! Not a performance machine but a pulling machine.
It just got even better at doing what it was designed to do. Pulling stuff.
My F250 might just be getting some boost. Rebuilt it years ago and the desktop dyno numbers were very similar to what you got. And mine is all done at 4600 rpm, but rarely see's more than 4000. Thanks for a great project and inspiring me to get thinking boost. I should address the open rear differential first.
Now these are the kinds of videos I look forward to! I love the idea of making the big power on the cheap.
That was surprising I loved the outcome torque was nuts at such low revs never seen this done like this thanks guys
Wow!!
Super cool video!!
My big block ford, just might need this upgrade!!
Great video!!
Great information!!
U guys are the best straight up love powernation.
Thank God engine power is back, I was stuck with carcass! 😆
Awesome guys ! I’m building a 1973 429 not anything crazy! Thought about dropping a turbo on it ! Enjoyed the video! Thanks guys!
THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!!! I would love this beautiful engine to live in my 89 F250 4x4. THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE DREAM!!! I learned a ton from this video thank you!!
I just picked up an efi 460 last weekend for my F150. Was just gonna do a basic rebuild with a carb (with that adapter plate). Now ya got me thinking turbo... Thanks!
You may have to raise your budget for rear tires!😂 Sounds like the truck could be a beast. What year?
@Art Sammond its a 91 regular cab short bed 2wd. Just building it for fun and the occasional Home Depot trip.
@@drewjames9167 nice, good luck and have fun!
assembly perfection and attn to detail….been watching show since Chuck n Joe and keeps gettin better
I want to do this to the 460 in my class c rv! 😉
Pat and Frankie! Please take this same setup, put in forged pistons and rods, upgrade the rocker arms and convert to EFI and do this again with the same engine but better components on the dyno with the Turbo Setup. I'll bet well over 800 pound feet and probably close to or "North" of 600 horsepower! You Gentlemen should do this! This would be so cool! 😎
My crazy brain is telling me that the EFI manifold lets me have an extra set of injectors so I can put a nitrous plate right on top of the carb adapter. Letting me turn a dry kit with wet tuneability.
Amazing video great job fellas!
Thanks for uploading to CZcams
Killer video! thank you!
Excellent video, guys. That thing would be awesome in a big ole sleeper, or even a budget drag machine. I am excited to see how you hotrod this engine even further.
stock is so cool WITH BOOST>
Absolutely love this entire build. Thank you for sharing, everyone keep yourselves and love ones safe and healthy and remember to SMILE 😊
Is that a surprise gift or a surprise scam that I smell 😳
@Daniel Wilson hmmmmmmm.... haha either way I'm not biting
@@teddyjones8027 … That’s a wise choice for sure 👌🤷♂️
Beautiful power curve!
Awesome episode!
The matching pocket protectors full of stuff are a nice touch.
This was one of the best episodes I've seen you guys do in a long time
Great job you guys!
Great job! Nice to see some Ford . Gave me a lot of ideas. 👍
Let's see some fancy boy parts and push the boost!
W O W ! 😮 I am absolutely, positively impressed with what you guys have done to this big block Ford engine! This is amazing how a $500 turbo can change the numbers on such a mundane engine, I mean, Holy Crap!
Great build, guys, great build.
Thank you for going to such lengths to show us simpleton's on yet one more way to actually build some fun and excitement. Not to mention the improvement of, let's say, your good old pick-em-up truck, or car. The only thing that I would worry about is the drivetrain and if the motor mounts, the U-joints, and the rear axle are going to be able to withstand all that torque and HP!
HA! I would definitely add some sandbags in my trunk or over the rear axle in the bed of my truck, if I were to go out and play with it, that's for sure.
Again, I want to thank you for your hard work on making and showing me/us, on this cool turbo build. 👌😎👍,
😎Cool Bro's, Very Cool.
Motor Mayhem Right There, YEAH!
Nice show guys ☺️.
Good engine for an old F250,Pull a bloody house with it 👍👍🤣🤣
Love this show love that they build old ford motors n not just GM thanks guys !!
Turboing my stock 460 soon!!!
Wow, what a cool setup
carb+turbo. HECK YEAH
great job guys! im building a near stock 302 turbo atm.
Would have been neat to see this taken just a couple more steps, add some basic forged replacement pistons, a little bigger cam, Throttle body EFI for the blow-thru turbo setup and electronic timing control so you could pull timing with higher boost. Just imagine what the power numbers could have been...650 HP and 800 TQ, all in below 5500 RPM??? Load that up in your big 4x4 Ford pickup!😎
WAY Nice #s. Spring rates and stock rockers
😨 scare me a bit.
Best to you Scott 🏁
I LOVE THIS!
Can see that smashing drivelines and tyres. Wow
I swapped the stock exhaust manifolds on a 302 ford. Installed the 302 and 4speed auto. In a 69 alfa romeo spider. 2.25" pipes off the manifolds into a 3inch , into a muffler. The output split fer twice pipes out the tail.
Fekkin dangerous vehicle. 2100lbs with 310hp.
Absolutely amazing! Good call to stop there no way those stock pistons would take much more👍🏻
Now add the goodies but keep it 460 ci! Thanks for the video. Been waiting on this for a long time.
best episode by miiiiles , great job guys.
About time you babies work on something different than a Chevy 350😂❤
I want this !!!! Need this! Dropped in like a 79-81 mustang notchback!!!