The system wants workers, not children. Children have a cost burden. ship in the workers and the cost has been exported to the country youve recruited from.
I’m early 20s and own my home outright and comfortably afford my bills with money to spare. The fact that I’m rather unattractive and neurodivergent is more likely the reason why I haven’t had a relationship and don’t have much chance of a family. There’s more to it than money. Ability to meet people and build a relationship with someone is more important than finances.,
This argument is not true the richer you are the less likely you are to have kids the only people who are actually having kids in the uk are poor people
@@Ico132 Because there is a connection between procreation and average social inteligence. There is a level of poverty where parents don't really care about not being able to feed their children with more than a piece of bread per day, or forcing 4-6 kids in the same room.
@@albertodejuan6104 Politicians are influenced by economics. Current homeowners tend to prioritise not building more homes so their house prices go up.
@@jon-xd7tl That's because people are living longer due to technological advancements so even though there are alot less people being born because people aren't dying as much the total number of people is still growing but eventually as older people get much older and die off that's when it will reflect the overall population figure and by then it will be too late to do anything about it.
@@keithhooper6123 it's not just the UK, most european and and in general western countries have been below replacement level of birth rates for quite some time now. watch Birthgap the documentary its available for free on CZcams it shows all the figures.
@@teelo523 but they had somewhere to put them. My gran parents were poor but had there own house on 1 factory workers wage. I live in a caravan on a carpenters wage with my partner working aswel . Renting a 1 bed flat is like 2k a month by the time all the other expenses go on top. The only people breeding are thd under class and the upper middle class. Upper working and lower middle classes arnt breeding. Too rich for government support ,too poor to for help from mummy and daddy.
@@recur68 economics is a social science. It’s basically based on common sense, every economic system from communism to feudalism to capitalism to socialism etc depends on young workers, there’s no system that doesn’t require younger workers, it’s just common sense. Without young people, society can’t function
Advanced countries base their growth on productivity growth due to better technology or more efficient methods to do any sort of labour. However the UK will not be an advanced economy for long anymore.
@@wamnicho - based on common sense ? 😂 It's predicated on infinite growth on a finite planet with finite resources .. yeah that will work long term ...
When I was born, the population of the U.S. was about 150 million. Believe it or not, life in the 1950s was pretty good if we consider the ability to buy a house, attend a state university, etc. I’m not saying that everything was perfect in the 1950s, but having our population more than double since then has not made our lives better.
The world population today is at 8 billion, I watched a Tedtalk about how the world is very overpopulated and that a stable population suited for the earth would be about 2 or 3 billion people, 4 or 5 max!
I left and went to Australia years ago but the housing situation is even worse. I have friends who similarly left and went to Canada...same deal there. The prices keep climbing relentlessly and it doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon.
@@billykotsos4642 Unless you get some serious inheritance, its simply not possible for most. For those who wish to give any potential children a half decent upbringing at least. Plenty of people who just don't give a shit and have them regardless, which I think is sad.
i honestly hate the UK. I ended up getting a mechanical engineering degree and as it stands will never be able to afford a home. UK is stupidly expensive for young people whilst the older generation own multiple properties and exploit us
@minicheddarsarebesterm, if you stop at the magna carta, less than 6 million people are 'native'. I don't think you realise we're an island and have always been populated by outsiders.
@minicheddarsarebest there have been articles in the peer reviewed journal Nature. There are many peer reviewed articles on the dna markings of the British population, their origins, etc.
@minicheddarsarebest a better cut off line would be the 18th century. With a name like yours it's unlikely you're a native. Mini cheddars are produced by foreigners.
Soaring living costs prompt youngsters to delay having kids which tanks the fertility rate in the UK. This will deteriorate even further in the near future.
There are societies where they have less and the future is bleak,that doesn't stop them from having children. Somehow the kids grow up and life goes on...
Almost every region in India now has a fertility rate below replacement. Mexico and much of Latin America now have fertility rates below replacement levels. The fertility rate in Iran dropped from 5.5 to 1.6 in about 37 years which is just one generation in many families. There are no doubt many Iranian women who were born into a family with five children and who now have only one child of their own. The fertility rate in Turkey has fallen to 1.51. About the only places that still have fertility rates above replacement are Afghanistan, Pakistan and Africa but no doubt by the end of the century those places too will have fertility rates below replacement. This is really a world wide phenomenon.
Thank you for rasing the point. The stated reasons for falling fertility, high costs of living and housing, stagnant wages, older age of woman having their first child, access to birth control and sexual health education, increased access to education, increased labour participation, etc. don't apply in counties like Afghanistan, Niger, Sudan and Yemen. Fertility in these counties have fallen by between 1-2 live births over a lifetime over the last 20 years. There is an environmental factor, whether from air pollution, water pollution or changes in diet. Science will find the environmental factor at some point.
@@elinope4745 Africa is high on victory after decolonization. Just Europe was after WW2. Who also had high fertility. Which crashed down in the 1970s unemployment. African fertility will crash down in the same way. It is only 1 crisis away.
With so many people having no savings, no living wage jobs, and little to no chance of upward mobility or a future, why would someone willingly bring a child into this world knowing the drudgery, and hardship he or she will probably face? This isn't just the UK, but most of the EU, as well as parts of Asia, and other parts of the world.
@@vinsin328for empires. Not for homogenous ethnic lands. It's only occuring in one racial groups' countries funny enough. Almost like it's deliberate.
All through nature animals won't reproduce if they don't feel safe. Many in the UK don't feel safe. They don't see a stable future, a stable home or a reliable environment to raise a child. They feel like they are building on shifting sands and a lack of trust means they create a life with one foot always out the door ready to make an escape. Baggage like a child will just slow that escape. Also, dating has never been as hard. So many people choosing to stay single, or people that are practically single. Those that are in a relationship for now, but don't really have any intention to making a commitment. They don't want to risk becoming yet another single parent when they have or want to work. Plus, with the amount of hours we spend at work, who has the time, energy, or the inclination to make a child? I don't think that the UK population will shrink. Immigration will far exceed any shortfall in birth rate. All that will happen is that the indigenous culture will disappear. This has happened many times before in many places all over the world, so the UK is nothing special. More over, these figure are assuming that our life expectancy stays the same or increase like it has in the past. With what we are doing to ourselves now, poor nutrition, higher stress, higher retirement age, increase in poor mental health, a failing health care system, worse climate, growing crime rates, it wouldn't be surprising to see the average life expectancy start falling once the last of the Boomers are gone. We won't have to worry about an aging population because the average person will die long before they reach retirement.
I'm 34 but I still don't feel ready to start raising a family. I need more time to advance my career, afford a home, and find a suitable partner. I'd rather risk running out of time than do it wrong!
@@vinsin328 Where did I say anything about perfection? I just need to make sure I'm able to provide for my child and find a partner who is reliable. I don't think that's asking much.
@@user-po3km8in2h At 34, I would advise you to forget it, children born to women in their mid to late 30s have a higher chance of developing Down syndrome and other psychological problems. You will actually put your child at a disadvantage. And getting pregnant will even become more difficult. Just stay single
and/ or, women don't want kids, or don't want relationships/ they're happy being independent and single. They look at both (living) costs and the destruction of the planet, and it doesn't make sense
Wrong. Historically the wealthy have fewer children, the poor more. Also, as stated by even this ignorant channel, even when large finacial subsidies have been given fkr children, it doesnt affect the numbers. Nothing that goverment have done has. This is because they misdiagnose the issues like this channel and are thus pissing in the wind on soolutions
@christianliechtenstein4879 so who will pay your state pension, who will look after you in your old age? That's the problem, children are not a burden on society, they are the next generation of taxpayers and the future workforce. They system relies on new children being born each year.
From the start of 2020 to the end of 2022 the richest one percent of the world's population increased their wealth by 26 trillion dollars while the other 99 percent of the world's population increased their wealth by 16 trillion dollars. So 63% of the increase in wealth went to the top one percent, people who obviously didn't need the money. I wonder if that even includes all the money that the richest one percent hide overseas so they don't pay taxes on it. The disparity of income and wealth has increased. That helps to explain why regular people are struggling to buy a home and to make enough money to raise children.
We must not mention that though. The news doesn't mention it, wonder why oh yes cos they are owned by them 😂 we must blame it on someone else like immigrants is what the news states so that's what happens.
@@FreedomTalkMedia The internet says, "Ultra-wealthy individuals invest in such assets as private and commercial real estate, land, gold, and even artwork. Real estate continues to be a popular asset class in their portfolios to balance out the volatility of stocks." Like in the 19th century when plantation owners in the Caribbean put all their wealth into building estate mansions in the British countryside.
Do we really want children to experience the consequences of modern life? Seeing your own children struggling whilst you the parents are struggling, is a mad way to live.
Everyone? Compare your standard of living to people 100 years ago in terms on technological advancement, medicine, living conditions and compare it to yours. Economic growth did that.
At the end of the day, if the people are educated, somewhat philosophically minded, and have the means to choose if pregnancy happens - then a lot of people are going to wonder what the purpose of having children is and if it is worth giving the majority of your life away for someone who may not even want to be born. No amount of money is going to fix that, it's a species wide existential crisis.
It’s an easy problem to fix if there’s political will, you can start by getting rid of social security and nursing homes for old people, let people save for their pensions, I can guarantee you lots of women will opt for motherhood because women especially young women are very bad at saving, they waste money on useless things like shoes and handbags. When you know that there will be no social security in old age, you’re more likely to have children.
@@shinjite06 so you think all those Africans are good investors because they’re having lots of kids. Even investments depend on a future young consumer base, for instance, let’s say you invest in rental property today, 30 years from now, your property will become worthless if everyone decided not to have kids because who will rent in that property
Back in the day after an apprenticeship you would be earning good money by the time you are 20 , save a deposite for house in 3 years , enjoy your life , buy a house have a wife and family before 27. Now in school till 18 , 4 years uni in debt ,work for 2 to 3 years until experience is gained start earning deacent money by 25 or 26 save for deposit for a house for 5 to 10 years get property at 35 everything is fucked
Healthcare got too good, in the good old days you mention people pass away at 67-70. So it’s still affordable to give them a few years of pension, now people live until they are 90. Those extra 20 years of pension healthcare and benefits is what is making everything so expensive.
My brother graduated with a M.A in History at age 21, he didn’t earn much until he hit 30; so majority of graduates don’t earn above £40K until age 30.
Done on purpose Keep kids in education by forcing 50% them into university. Ensure they start adult life with debt they will never pay off. Raise house prices so they cannot afford to buy until they are 30+. Raise the cost of everything. You can't tell me it's not all done on purpose.
Or just the inexorable fate of democratic societies. I think civilisation's trajectory is predictable. Wealth and power will continue to consolidate. The masses will largely remain pacified by sedentary distractions. Populations will continue to fall. Assets will be come increasingly unaffordable. AI powered robots will come, and will push vast numbers of people out of work, and will be owned by the super rich, further concentrating their control. Ordinary people will live on small stipends, allowing them a base level of subsistence, and will be provided with distractions such as video games, porn, social media and AI sex dolls. The super rich will enjoy healthy dynasties, living in clean natural environments while the masses live in polluted waste lands ravaged by climate change and crime. Any opportunity for resistance will be long passed as every corner of the world will be monitored by AI powered surveillance and enforcement. People will live lives on virtual entertainment, never leaving a chair, with every need provided by robots. The rich will enjoy large gardens, fields and nature reserves, restricted from the masses, and will look like gods as they enhance their bodies with gene therapies, while the poor turn obese and disease ridden.
@AlexParkYT good point. Without family support for the deposit, you are in trouble. I got 25K from the sale of my nan's house 15 years ago, which I used for the deposit on my first house. Without that, my life would be very different, (despite grafting and now being stung for higher rate taxes). Guessing you need £40K+ for a deposit now.
Housing costs and cost of living is causing people in their 30's to be still living with their parents. Wage growth has been poor. This is not good for birth rates . Friends daughter has been saving for over 10 years for a deposit !
The ppl have the most children are living in poverty and dying of starvation. Truth is countries that expect women to study and work in their fertile years have the lowest birth rates. And technically the conception rate is the same, the children are all getting aborted before being born.
The stigmatisation of having kids whilst on welfare benefits did a great job contributing if not accelerating this decline. I had one son in the mid 90s whilst on welfare benefits, I got rid of his useless father and quickly went had a coil fitted. He’s the only child I have and will have since I’m in my 50s now. Kids from benefits cleaning parents end up on benefits also? Negative. My son works and has always. Kids from single parents mothers end up being criminals? Not always. My son isn’t and has never been, doesn’t drink alcohol neither smokes
Anybody who is having kids in this day and age isn't paying attention. I knew these days were coming back in the 80s. The best thing I ever did for my kids was not having them.
As a Kiwi living in the UK I find the ONS data almost alarmingly inaccurate in prodicting future population trends. Nz has a more aging population that UK (at the start of the extreme decline weve seen in other countries), and its normal there to see billboard ads from Australian govt and states actively poaching skilled workers. We have also seen all the universities starting to close campuses and lay offs due to not enough yound people. When we spent a year in Canada they too seemed to have the ethos that w/o actively recruiting skilled workers from overseas that skilled workers will be harder to come by in the future (as most countries bar a few are facing declining populations, so they have all started competing with each other). The UK is not just asleep at the wheel for UK births, but is actively discouraging migration. At the moment we have a buffer of a few years, but w/o the ONS taking on the real trends the govt wont be able to plan effectively to mitigate the fall out..
True, but the UK mistake is letting in people (illegally) with no skills that are a drain on resources and not a benefit net gain to the economy/society/community
Only 15% of immigrants that arrived in the UK last year were "high skilled" I can walk around my local town & see where they're working. Lots in kebab shops, barbers, car washes, food vans etc. All the typical money laundering places.
Here in Ireland, traditionally a high fertility rate, its so obvious now its plummeting. In fact imo its much worse than even the UK predictions. The human hoarding is incredible here particularly folk from Ukraine, but you daren't question anything for being accused of being right wing fascist. Taken in one hundred thousand Ukrainians, yet when the brutal war was raging in the Balkans back in the 90s we hardly took in any refugees. This war now is disgusting, also a lot of Russian folk trying to escape, who could blame them . There was comprehensive study done 2017 on the fertility rate of Polish woman here, it stood at 1.05 (L. Kilmek) its available online. I think the plan is that when this war ends their husbands will join them here and start families, mind you who knows, because I don't think there is a plan. One thing here is also becoming evident, there will potentially be an asset rich generation, due to inheritance of childless relatives, with the decreasing forward generation, its a fertility cliff not a steady decline
But why is this a problem? In 1980 there were 55 million people in the country. And somehow they lived, everything was ok. There will simply be more space, water, and resources for everyone than now. Why do we need endless population growth?
Because if this becomes the norm and remains the same, you're looking at societal destruction within a.few generations. No species has ever decided to breed itself out of existence.
The middle class is on life support. People can barely afford themselves. Plus every day we hear about climate change, habitat destruction, social unrest, and wars. Why bring children into that? Maybe in a different time I might have had children, but even with both me and my husband working we can barely afford our apartment. Plus, we are exhausted all the time from full time work and the children would need daycare. We’d hardly see them anyway.
Endless growth is crazy. The problem with wanting more people is you would have to need more people to sustain more people. There must be another view that suits human life better than just growing and growing.
As we celebrate National Day in Singapore, I’ve been reflecting on the sustainability of societies built primarily around money. History shows that civilizations focused on material wealth often face eventual decline. While investments can provide short-term benefits, they rely on monetary systems that weaken over time. I’ve been investing indirectly in the UK and believe that something fundamental needs to change in our approach to ensure long-term stability and growth.
While I do believe there is wisdom in your words, I see societies not built around money having relatively poor quality of life, and tend to be built on other forms of wealth that elevate social status as people tend to be competitive, and wish to better themselves. It would make more sense, in my opinion, to continue solving problems rather than having a new experiment with our society. Higher productivity has elevated us into comfortable living. We must think of ways to reward raising children, forming a family as a society, or making it easier, or at least make achieving what the people consider prerequisite to having children easier. Right now the trade off between pursuing money and comfort against raising children is too high. We need to make this gap smaller if we want to see a more sustainable society.
One question that comes to mind: So what? In order to have bigger families the traditional order must be restored. A breadwinner and a caregiver. Two fulltime employees simply don't have the energy and outsourcing your kids isn't appealing.
Actually, the model of a male breadwinner and a female caregiver family is an invention of the era of the Industrial Revolution. Most of history did not have that model. Fathers and mothers both worked in the home for the most part and fathers taught their sons their skills and mothers taught their daughters. This was seen in both pre-industrialized societies and hunter-gatherer societies. Let's not go backwards to the era of breaking fathers from their sons just so that factories can have labourers and removing the ability for mothers to contribute economically while giving all childraising burden to them. Surely with the new Technological Revolution we are entering we can fing a healthier more "human-friendly" family model closer to how we evolved.
My wife would have been pregnant in a heartbeat if she had the option of being a proper fulltime mum. In my case i need 95% of mental bandwidth for work during working hours & afterwards i'm drained. Working at home is an option, but in terms of support i might as well be at the office. Not comparable with pre industry or hunter gatherer times jobs. Any boy would be bored to tears if i tried to teach him my skill. The male breadwinner and female caregiver model is not the holy grail, but for us that would work well enough to expand the family. As long as we both need to work fulltime jobs we are not going to have children. It's just not appealing.
That's not going to happen. Stop dreaming about yesteryear. If you cannot adapt to modern life in a technologically advanced society go and live in Afghanistan. 😐
@@DEZZ6 We adapt fine thank you, but that wasn't the point was it? Then this modern life in a technological advanced society will have to do without big families.
With people becoming more self centred, having children compromises a persons lifestyle hugely, making them less likely. To the average couple, having children these days pretty much ensures a life of financial struggle.
The housing costs have risen massively along with rent, utility bills, and the cost of food at record highs. If people can't afford the basics, then they certainly won't add to the issue they have by having a child. Either wages need to rise or the cost of everything needs to drop. But the greedy companies, employers, and government won't allow that to happen. So, their solution is unregulated immigration to make sure the pay stays low. We are not the only country experiencing this. Most Western societies are in the same position. It's all planned anyway.
@parcomolo256 the rich, greedy banks, and the hedge fund managers will buy them all up, they would rather leave them empty rather than drop the price, believe me.
Encouraging more children is more than just giving mothers money and affordability. Society has been telling us children are a burden and women should wait as long as possible so they can have a career.
@@macflod Yes, that's exactly right. There isn't too much in a marriage for men anymore, especially if it goes wrong. They are just seen as collateral damage due to an ailing modern society and not spoken about. I always tell young men to be very very careful if they are thinking of getting married.
There's an argument in the comments that it's not a financial thing because poor people have many kids. In some countries, that's because they need the kids to make money for them. In the UK, maybe they can claim benefits or don't care about the financial issues or raising them well. It's not exactly a model that's good. It's a very sensible mindset to avoid having kids if you're struggling financially, don't feel stable, don't have a house, NHS sucks, etc. Having kids will increase the struggle and financial pressure. In the past, people could have kids in mid-20s. Today, people can't have kids until mid-30s. That means that a new generation comes every 35 years instead of 25 years. That's a birth rate reduction of 40%. Government incentives are nowhere near enough to fix the financial issues. Time is also a factor. In the past, a single person on minimum wage could afford a house and could support a family, while the other partner took care of the household, chores and kids. Also, work tended to be 9-5 instead of 9-6. Today, both people in a relationship work + have to do chores and maintain the house after work. They have far less free time. Culture has also changed so that grandparents aren't really in the picture anymore, so there is less babysitting help. Adding kids to that is much harder. There are other reasons too. For example dating is harder for various reasons and some people don't want kids. However, the biggest core issue is money. If jobs paid enough so that one person could work and support a family in a stable way, things would be much better. Instead, inequality is high, living standards are dropping, rich are getting richer at record rates, buying up all assets and declaring record profits. Companies exist purely for profit, and they make more profit if they pay us as low as possible and charge as much as possible for their products. Working people are taxed way too much. High earners are not much better off compared to the past because assets are too expensive and tax is very high.
Poor people, especially in poor and undeveloped countries, also tend to have many kids due to poor health services and education, because abortion is criminalized, and mysoginy / machismo culture. Many of those large families are raised by single women, because the fathers are nowhere to be found or are not providing. There are also still places in the world where women have several kids because some may not make it to adulthood.
There is a subconscious feeling that we are entering really bad times. People feel it in all parts of the world. Thus, the desire to bring offspring into this world diminished. Once bad time is over, there is usually a baby-boom.
Id love to have children but it’s impossible to find anyone to have children with. Social media has made us non social, and society destroyed the family cohesion and made it a huge financial strain, also pushed on us from early age is like becoming a parent young is not good so people put it off too long.
I'm 38 and social media only just came in when I was at uni - it wasn't a big thing, at least people weren't addicted to it - people would go out, date normally, hook up care free etc etc Now if you ask a person out IRL they cannot comprehend even the question; it's like if you don't meet on an app then it can't be allowed to happen. Social media in my mind is a net negative for society.
@@TobotronPrime im slightly older than you, i remember social mediA arriving when i too was in my final uni Year and every one jumping on it as a novelty. Prior to that we would talk sometimes on msn messenger. Anyway i was aware much of my time was spent talking on msn but it was still like chatting just remotely. Unlike what i felt with social media After about 2 months on social media i got rid of it except YT - i keep clear of it today as i did all these years And with intro of shorts im thinking to reduce YT exposure too because they designed to get you hooked on the app for ages. Already i can feel the so called “tic tok brain rot” i definitely had my attention span reduced if punchline is not fast. Yeah probably i will take a break from YT too soon. To me what i found bizarre and i still do think its weird, was on social media i started spending hours reading about everyone else’s life. Often id be busy studying and felt a sense of envy seeing what people were doing if they did something more fun than me. It made me think i meed to do something more than them or i feel bad. Then i realised- why should i care, its not my business and im not getting into this one up deep in my conscience contest and why are we expected to broadcast our life to everyone. I quickly stopped using it. Now the answers to these questions and thought i had are obvious but back then it was such a change although we didn’t know it then. Now we know People just paint a fake online life, they need constant attention, they share crazy stuff on line for sympathy and attention and can ruin their lives. Cameras are everywhere, its horrendous. Of course there are some good things too but its totally warped human minds. Yeah! People IRL are like- what someone just spoke to me!? Online im a bit of a ghost, i don’t have much presence, people find that weird but sometimes intriguing but mostly they just get bored or suspicious as they feel They can’t gauge who i am fully but i find it weird that they would go by something i could fabricate online anyway. Yeah i missed out on a lot of things going on as it was always- oh it was announced on FB or whatever. For all that though, Id rather have my time than waste it doomscrolling.
When I was in college back in the early 80's, I was a quarter of a gang of four, out of that gang, one of us lives with an older lady and has done for over 30 years, one of us got married in his early forties to a lady slightly older than himself, another of us still plays the field and I'm the ugly one who has remained single, none of us have children, my friend who lives with his older partner, she has had two children from previous marriages, this isn't something recent, I'm within 10 years of the current retirement age, at least 30% of the people I work with don't have children and I'm in a job where most of us are older, over 40, it's been ongoing for some time now, it's only social media that's now raising the issue, greed, house prices, rent prices, education costs and the general rising cost of living is making it unaffordable to have children, most of my immigrant friends have a child, but also, many have moved to other countries and left the UK
You know what pisses me off? It is that if you were a woman talking about your besties, you would have at least two comments by now accusing all four of you of "hypergamy" and for "wasting your youth" and being "past the wall". But you're men, so all is good. But when women complain about sexism, we are just wrong because "there is no sexism in the West".
In the US there's very few jobs that can afford people to have children. Most jobs can't even keep one person living much less a family. The lack of health care and especially those with pre existing conditions are driving force to not have kids. Economic is really the deciding factor in having children.
Since the 1980s, economic resources have been relentlessly transferred from those in their fertile years to those in their infertile years. It's really that simple!
Yes, that perfectly sums up the major problem of the elderly voting for whichever political party will only benefit them, at the expense of their children's future, for the last few decades.
This is sheer nonsense. You have been brainwashed to keep blaming others for your problems. Everyone votes for the party who they think will best run the country. You have your choice, allow others to have their choice. 🙄♥️
Sadly most western countries don’t see value in children. The current system is not set up for mothers and families in the UK. Having a child has become a luxury for those who can afford them.
No I just think my kids have more value than being a miserable wage slave or fodder in some rich guys war. I will not have kids if either is a possibility
I can tell you through lived experience why this is, by the time I could afford any type of home I was 30yrs old - by the time I was financially settled I was 36; If a girlfriend doesn’t commit with you at this point you’re starting again as a man in your mid life with absolutely everything to lose if things go wrong. So it’s safer to just date and have fun than let anyone too financially close to you. It’s the fault of society and rent extraction as a priority over relationships and families.
There is zero benefit to have kids in the UK, and most of Europe also. Especially as the country is on the road to mediocrity, if it has not already arrived at that. Why would you want your children to have less opportunity than you had? Best to get a cat or dog.
You have kids because you want kids and you are indebted to your ancestors and state. You do not have kids so that they should have better opportunity that you had - as that is unpredictable.
Well when I were a lad we had to go to work before we got up and were lucky to get a shillin' a year to spend on boots for work. Trousers were a luxury and our father used to beat us with a lump of coal just to break it up for the fire. No, we had it bad we did, and when we got home from T' pit we used to sit on glass jam jars and drink from a wooden fruit box...in fact we weren't just poor...we were stupid!!!
This doesn't have to be that bad of a thing though. I do think people should have the choice to have kids, but it really isn't the end of the world if the population declines it just depends on how we adapt around that. Could well be a positive, especially regarding housing.
@@WitnessmooCocaine?; what a outrageous waste, no wonder you came to the conclusion that being a parent is the best. If you were intelligent you would have developed a passionate interest in at least one creative hobby and devoted your time and energies into that you would have led a fulfilling life and held onto your freedom, less workload and less stress than being a parent.
@@Witnessmoohumans seek satisfaction. They think money big house kids beautiful wife or rich husband will give them that but that's not the case For satisfaction u need peace and a work u love with as much pay as required for ur basic needs That's the greatest satisfaction ever one can get. That's why after covid ppl realised this and started working towards what they love
One comment about the African population - the higher birthrates are in regions of African countries that are more rural and less modernized. As populations increase these countries will need to modernize to sustain themselves. The birthrate will necessarily peak out and follow the developed countries pattern. This is similar to what's happened in (modern)Eastern and (rural)Western Turkey. Remember, Western countries provide a large pool of skill and knowledge to keep large, high birthrate countries able to sustain themselves. As the population in the West declines, these human resources will become more scarce - creating economic pressure to either modernize the workforce or to reduce population. My point is you cannot have a 100+million country without the modern means of keeping it going and a modern country needs a modern workforce.
Nobody seems to understand this. Many think the world population will grow to infinity but the most likely would be that it peaks at around 11billion because of the points you raised above. As people get richer and infant death drops people will choose to have fewer kids as it becomes even more expensive to raise them because of, again, the points you raised above.
I decided to leave and raise a family in Poland. Housing was affordable, childcare is cheap, the country has steady growth (in reality rather than paper GDP growth based on mass immigration), it's a high-trust and safe society (see my earlier point about mass immigration), and my children can realistically expect a better life than mine - like I grew up. The UK is in a series of demographic death spirals and I don't see it getting out of them.
Aside from the obvious financial reasons that people aren’t having children, I feel that our culture is becoming increasingly hostile to children. Education has been stripped of funding (nobody is investing in children despite the fact that they will get older and become future tax payers). People cannot tolerate children in public spaces (e.g. babies crying) and people openly mock people who choose to have children/ want children. I am 25 and I have experienced this as someone who has expressed interest in having children. We are also making it unappealing to women. Standards of care during pregnancy and labour have fallen. Women aren’t offered health care like pelvic physiotherapy after birth. There is no longer a “village” or support network for expectant parents and if you even suggest their should be more support, people come out of the woodwork and start stating that “your child is your responsibility only” and place an expectation on parents that they should do it all alone and not complain… which is clearly not natural. Women aren’t respected if they choose to stay home as they aren’t contributing, but they can’t afford to put their child in nursery either, and even if they can they also hear conflicting opinions on their decision to do this. We need to make young women feel confident and safe to have children and optimistic about the future if we want to see an increase in birth rates.
I have never, ever heard people mocking or expressing hostility to wannabe parents, unless they are the irresponsible kind who expect other people take care of them and their children, or who keep having kids they clearly cannot afford or have no interest in raising themselves.
The system mistreats the cattle to extract more profit out of them. Yet expects the cattle to happily breed nonetheless... Tough luck, the cattle is on strike.
Lot's off yung women's simple needs to work, because one salary not enough to support family. Can't take time off never. Under pressure is to high. Boomer's generations own all .
Then why "economy" is making it do hard for people to have kids? Late stage capitalism is the bane of the people, yet the 1% expect us to breed to keep their profits up... They are the only one worrying about the fall of natality.
Three somewhat drastic steps to reduce housing problem for young generation; 1. No individual/trust/corporation/entity is allowed to have more than one house. 2. Nationalise all rental developments to avoid profiteering 3. Ban on new house/Apt construction over 2000 sq ft. (arbitrary number, can be tweaked at the start)
I’m more conservative but agree with you on principal. There is some market use for rentals and single properties should be independent. Rent should be used for two things, temporary housing for when you get to a new area and the second being for saving for a home. That said there should be a cap on the amount of housing assets a company can own and the types. I agree on the third point completely. In the states they build McMansions that cost $100k more than they should because of easy money and financialization. As to how to slow the financialization, remove the 1031 exchange. That would have a HUGE impact on property prices and change them from an asset that people can easily pull like an ATM.
Dreaming of communism /nationalization/socialism? Suggest you do some homework on this topic to see how well these have worked for others. Think Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Cuba, USSR, and MANY others. 😭😱😱😱😱😱🙄
I have two young kids at ages 1 and 4 and I worry about their future. My wife and I are both professionals, and better educated than our parents before us. We are currently moving home, which is crazy expensive. I understand we may be considered lucky ones in a millennial group that often can’t afford housing. However in comparison to our parents, we are both much less well off than they were at a similar age. Housing, cars, food, fuel and especially childcare is cripplingly expensive. If we, as educated professionals cant afford to save anything and can hardly afford the cost of nursery for us to work, then what does the future hold for my daughter and my son? I’d like another child but my wife is convinced we can’t afford it. Dire microeconomics projecting into long term dire macro outlook.
It's now an absolute deadlock. Population is aging; economy is stagnant; salary is low; Yet, housing is expensive. Immigrants lead to higher demand on housing so we ask to stop. Economy is not growing cos there's insufficient manpower and productivity. No economy growth leads to few jobs and lower salary growth, so people don't get a job and rely on social benefits, which increased the tax burden. Tax will hike and talents are not moving to the UK, leading to more economic turmoil. Unless Brits' mindset make a fundamental change and are willing to work together to bring dynamics to the economy like what you can see in US, Singapore, Japan and South Korea, which is not possible, there's no future in this country's economy.
People just aren't interested in relationship, friendships, or family anymore. Everything that is happening has happened before. People will have to work it out and adapt just like people in the past did.
It's quite simple. If i cannot afford to buy a 3 bed semi with a garden, by the time i'm 30, wotking an average job, and have it fully paid off when i'm in my 40's. Then i will never have children 💁♂️
Having a house fully paid off in your 40s does seem unrealistic. I got a 30 year mortgage 4 years ago, that means it will be fully paid off around 5 years before retirement which really is all you need. Retiring with a mortgage seems to be a bad idea but retiring having to pay ever increasing rent also seems a bad idea.
It's unrealistic to expect the conditions under which your parents bought to be considered normal. They were the generation (I suspect) that got everything for free (education) or on the cheap. That won't be coming back, but it does need to be addressed to a degree.
It's not the same world your parents bought you into. And that you think that way suggests you don't have the personal finance knowledge you need. Sorry, but you can't step into the same river twice. The economy is very, very different, and lifetime employment is no longer a given. You need to have a realistic plan, and understand the direct and indirect costs of your ambition. That means making a financial plan based on present and future spending for saving and investing. You can't wing it now, because graduates getting paid minimum wage is a thing. And there are no guarantees. You have to organised. Learn how about, savings and investing in a tax efficient way. And the costs if buying a home and the costs of maintaining. For example, Tejvan's told us he had decided to extend the duration if his mortgage, because mortgage costs were accelerating ahead of his earnings. Instead of finishing paying in 30 years, he's looking at 40 years. Another thing, when Boris Johnson was prime minister he was discussing with the mirtgage industry the introduction of intergenerational mortgages, where the outstanding debt that remains is passed into your inheritors after your death. Google it, and just think why that was being discussed in government. The world is changing, and will still change faster than you know. You need to learn about how to make your money work as hard as it can, and protect yourself as well. You cannot afford to be complacent. You need to know how to do that. I hope you are checking out decent UK personal finance channels and people like Martin Lewis, and researching what you need to do, because you'll need to be ahead of the curve. If you can afford ut, subscribe to Which? Money magazine published by the Consumer Association. A sub gets you not only the magazine that is full of savings, investment, and personal finance advice, but gives you access to advice services as a perk. Good Luck I hope your dreams come true. With luck, the right knowledge, and the right help you can do it. 👍
You used to be able to buy a decent home in a decent area 30 years ago on one income, leaving one parent to stay at home/work part time and bring children up, double good full time incomes needed now with absolute no give in system - people have got nothing now except work work work, get in debt if you have a holiday etc
Who could have ever imagined that quiet quitting is the ultimate and most effective form of rebellion. If just 20% of society started quiet quitting, it would be over.
I addition to the very poor economic outlook, we're being warned of disastrous climate change, future pandemics, food insecurity, and the world leaders recklessly threatening the use of nuclear weapons. Why would you bring a child into that?
There are a lot of men from the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent immigrating to the UK, they will keep the population up according to some liberal medias
Financial situation is NOT the primary reason of birth rate declining, and it has NEVER been. It's lifestyle and modern mindset. Here's my evidence: Throughout history when wealth was so poorly distributed, like my grandma's time, for example, everyone was poorer and birth rate was high. The poorer countries in the world have higher birth rates while the more developed and richer countries in the world have lower birth rates
The ppl have the most children are living in poverty and dying of starvation in terrible economies. Truth is countries that expect women to study and work in their fertile years have the lowest birth rates. And technically the conception rate is the same, the children are all getting aborted before being born.
No the opposite is true, the more wealthy and secure a society is the fewer children are born. In Poor societies having more children is an insurance for help in old age.
@@andrewharris3900 Try running for election on that platform and see how it goes. Even when politicians try to raise the age of retirement by five years they may face riots in the streets.
"The latest estimates on migration from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) suggest that in 2023: 1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 532,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 685,000."
Quite right, the birth rate may be falling but the population is not falling it is increasing by 700,000 a year. I will worry about it if/when the population ACTUALLY starts FALLING!
@@patdbean It's not the population falling that should worry you, it's the burden working people will have in supporting our retirees. There will be alot more people. Next 20 years, the number of retirees is going to increase quite a bit compared to increase in workforce. Meaning, there's going to be more tax burden to the workers. There's already talks of raising retirement age to 71 to reduce the number of years pensioners claiming pension. Korean population didn't fall with birth rate of 0.7. Does that mean they won't have a problem in 20 years? No, they truly have an enormous problem ahead. WW2 didn't make birth rate fall this much. They will lose third their workforce will leave work in the next 20 years... their pensioner to work ratio will double. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Korea
@@johnyun2340 then correct the retirement age. My 4 grand parents lived an average of 7 years after stopping work. At 65 today you can expect to live 17 years.
@@patdbean The unfortunate part of that is, living longer has not resulted in being able to work significantly longer despite our advancement in medicine. A 75 year old is still 75 year old, with limited motor functions and mental capacities for vast majority of population. That said, I don't disagree with you that retirement age will likely have to be longer for all of us. May even be longer when we retire.
@@johnyun2340 if you look at were the benefits spending is going. It is not pensioners or the unemployed. Most 60%+ goes on in work benefits, because the spending power of the average wage has done nothing but fall for decades. The average of 19k in the year 2000 needs to be 44k today to have kept up with RPI (real inflation , (not this CPI rubbish they use now) But in fact average full time pay is 36k. And you wonder why so many want to take early retirement. Some are even better off on benefits.
When there is a decline in the birthrate, the next generation of adults can benefit from the lower demand for housing, resulting in cheaper home prices/rent, and higher wages as the lower supply of workers increases their value. So who is this really a crisis for?
CORRECT! It's a natural self regulated negative - feedback loop. Currently demand is too high and supply is too low. When overpopulation decreases, demand will fall and supply will increase. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There won’t ever be a lower demand for housing because immigration control will be relaxed to fill the void that has been left from people not having kids.
How would anyone have children if most can't even afford a house? Me and my wife both earn 2 decent salaries in London, and we're looking into it, but it's still very hard without massive compromises
That is what life is all about - compromises and sacrifices. Life is not party - it is about sacrifice. Your ancestor did - for them family and children means happiness.
@@vinsin328 what makes you think I don’t know that? I know very well actually, I never got money or gifts from anyone. Anything I have or I have achieved I did on my own. My mother was the only one that tried but unfortunately she didn’t have much to give, because she too had a hard life. So trust me I know.
AI will cover the need for a large portion of workforce and then the powers that be will keep the pressure to keep the populations small. Because they won't need workers.
When I was growing up people had large families, there was free education, low cost council housing and a secure, a well paid job for the one breadwinner of the family whilst the other adult took care of the children and the household (in my case that was dad). Then corporate greed set in and public service was sold off to the highest bidder. Now we’re all up shit creek without a paddle. You can’t privatise babies.
I was surprised to see the chart said the UK fertility rate will fall to 1.2 children per woman by the year 2100. If anything, it will probably reach 1.2 children per woman by 2040 or 2045.
It’s not about the cost. Immigrants are generally not well off, they make up 15% of the UK population currently but account for 30% of births. The real reason for low fertility rates is that many modern women have ridiculously high expectations of men and often don’t even consider motherhood until their mid-30s by which time the odds of success are slim.
"Ridiculously high expectations of men" - also known as men who will not cheat, abuse, gaslight, or lie, who are hard workers, and who are not little boys who think all housework and child rearing is a women's job. You insult all men if you think not acting like a big toddler is asking for too much.
When on a first date with an African girl, most will ask how many children I want to have and bluntly tell me how many they want (most often this number is 4) When on a first date with a British girl, most talk about how they don't want children and just want to become rich, move to Dubai and have loads of expensive stuff These are women living in the same country, doing the same types of jobs and in the same living situations. The difference is cultural
Some parts of the world have a longer history of birth control than others. Different parts of the world have different approaches to pension provision.
@@jon-xd7tl it’s a lot deeper than that, your point assumes that the optimal choice is to not have children and that women who want large families only do so because of a lack of options However not worth going into in CZcams comments!
*Western women have been sold a lie* A promise that a "cereer" will fulfil them. They only had to ask men if they enjoy their jobs. A recent study asked UK employees their opinions on work.. 80% said they hate their jobs.
Take a look around mate. Im a black brit and those africans that come over here are just about sponging off the gove while they have kids in droves. Im in Northampton and there flipping everywhere. Thats why your african date mentioned kids right away. Most have them in poverty.
@@Crukren89 Sounds like a very different experience to what I’ve had, those without UK citizenship can’t get benefits anyway, and from what I’ve seen it’s British people who sponge the most
Actually we have an open border for unskilled people while we ourselves can't afford homes no matter how educated or driven we are. The population will probably increase, and everyone will be poor, miserable and angry. This is no country for a young man or woman. Seek to make your living overseas, especially if you are ambitious. Don't put up with life here.
I have young sons and I am often thinking about what country they will live in when they’re older as I can’t see Britain being an option at this point for them, especially if it gets even more dysfunctional and expensive. It’s so sad what’s happened to our beloved countries.
@@voodo0983 im not arguing that the numbers are too high but the people that are coming in are not unskilled. You need to meet specific criteria, have a certain amount of work experience and qualifications before being granted a visa. ...You cant just turn up at the airport like you think.
@@suzannesmith4513 If your children are able to become sufficiently successful to gain entry, Switzerland remains the best option in my opinion. Wish you the best, I have the same concerns for the future.
An interesting video. It does, however, miss that mass immigration can also affect population insofar as it can suppress the native population's desire to have children because they feel alienated in their own land.
Lower birth rate is not the same as lower population growth. In spite of having a lower birth rate, population growth in uk is high cause of immigration,
The system wants more children to keep up the facade of endless growth, but it doesn't want to pay for workers to actually afford them.
The system wants workers, not children. Children have a cost burden. ship in the workers and the cost has been exported to the country youve recruited from.
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@@anthonylulham3473 children are also future consumers as well.
They are replacing the local with foreign population
Very well said in a very few words.
You can’t have children if you can’t afford somewhere to live, or afford even the basic necessities
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I’m early 20s and own my home outright and comfortably afford my bills with money to spare. The fact that I’m rather unattractive and neurodivergent is more likely the reason why I haven’t had a relationship and don’t have much chance of a family. There’s more to it than money. Ability to meet people and build a relationship with someone is more important than finances.,
Then why is it the poorest people who have the most children?
This argument is not true the richer you are the less likely you are to have kids the only people who are actually having kids in the uk are poor people
@@Ico132 Because there is a connection between procreation and average social inteligence. There is a level of poverty where parents don't really care about not being able to feed their children with more than a piece of bread per day, or forcing 4-6 kids in the same room.
Wolves are complaining that the sheeps aren't breeding
Wow, that's the most accurate and succinct description of this issue I have ever seen. 👏👌
Wow! Very accurate!
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They aren't complaining. They like bragging about it.
Plural of sheep is sheep.
The markets have been allowed to decide, and it's decided that it wants maximum profit today over the survival of our society.
How many, where and how houses are built is decided by politicians. If there's scarcity it's only them to blame.
But for a brief moment in history it will be wonderful for shareholders😂
@@albertodejuan6104 Politicians are influenced by economics. Current homeowners tend to prioritise not building more homes so their house prices go up.
But for a short while, some old guys will be really really rich and get another yacht. And let's be honest, isn't that most important?
@@aaronogden9900 ...as long as it's within the shareholders personal history.
Can't afford a home, food, bills, no dentist, Doctors or social care. I wonder why the population is falling?
Complete mystery. The ones "investigating" just can't find any answers at all 😂
The fertility rate is falling, but the population keeps on rising ...
@@jon-xd7tl That's because people are living longer due to technological advancements so even though there are alot less people being born because people aren't dying as much the total number of people is still growing but eventually as older people get much older and die off that's when it will reflect the overall population figure and by then it will be too late to do anything about it.
It's only the English population of the UK,that's falling.Replacement by deliberate immigration.
@@keithhooper6123 it's not just the UK, most european and and in general western countries have been below replacement level of birth rates for quite some time now. watch Birthgap the documentary its available for free on CZcams it shows all the figures.
Nobody can afford to have children they can hardly survive without. Wages at the same level as 2006 as prices go though the roof.
From 2020 to now my electricity price has literally doubled. You don't hear much about real prices.
@@AlexParkYTmine to and rent and council tax went up. And groceries. I'm sure I'm £400 a month worse off
But middle class and upper class aren't having kids either. It's more than that. People couldn't afford kids 70 years ago but still did
@@teelo523 but they had somewhere to put them. My gran parents were poor but had there own house on 1 factory workers wage. I live in a caravan on a carpenters wage with my partner working aswel . Renting a 1 bed flat is like 2k a month by the time all the other expenses go on top.
The only people breeding are thd under class and the upper middle class. Upper working and lower middle classes arnt breeding. Too rich for government support ,too poor to for help from mummy and daddy.
@@avancalledrupert5130 The middle class doesn't exist. You can only have the proletariat and the bourgeoisie; you can't have something in-between.
Economic growth based on never-ending population growth was always unsustainable anyway.
Exactly, it shows how moronic economics is. When they call economics a science real scientists (biology, chemistry, physics) laugh ....
It's a Ponzi scheme that needs to come to an end!
@@recur68 economics is a social science. It’s basically based on common sense, every economic system from communism to feudalism to capitalism to socialism etc depends on young workers, there’s no system that doesn’t require younger workers, it’s just common sense. Without young people, society can’t function
Advanced countries base their growth on productivity growth due to better technology or more efficient methods to do any sort of labour.
However the UK will not be an advanced economy for long anymore.
@@wamnicho - based on common sense ? 😂 It's predicated on infinite growth on a finite planet with finite resources .. yeah that will work long term ...
The problem is that modern life is very ill adapted to family life
some people just don't want them
Very much so
When I was born, the population of the U.S. was about 150 million. Believe it or not, life in the 1950s was pretty good if we consider the ability to buy a house, attend a state university, etc. I’m not saying that everything was perfect in the 1950s, but having our population more than double since then has not made our lives better.
Overpopulation in some parts of ex Yugoslavia caused war and destruction of country forever.
The world population today is at 8 billion, I watched a Tedtalk about how the world is very overpopulated and that a stable population suited for the earth would be about 2 or 3 billion people, 4 or 5 max!
I can't afford a home and I'm 25 earning above the london average. Big part of why me and all my friends don't want to be here no more.
I left and went to Australia years ago but the housing situation is even worse. I have friends who similarly left and went to Canada...same deal there. The prices keep climbing relentlessly and it doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon.
Inequality is insanely bad
@@billykotsos4642 Unless you get some serious inheritance, its simply not possible for most. For those who wish to give any potential children a half decent upbringing at least.
Plenty of people who just don't give a shit and have them regardless, which I think is sad.
I’ll be moving to a cheaper country for the same reasons
@@JimP-tc7gg if this continiues then kids today will leave in desperate poverty in 25 years. Absolute insanity
i honestly hate the UK. I ended up getting a mechanical engineering degree and as it stands will never be able to afford a home. UK is stupidly expensive for young people whilst the older generation own multiple properties and exploit us
The older generation will soon be gone.
@minicheddarsarebesterm, if you stop at the magna carta, less than 6 million people are 'native'.
I don't think you realise we're an island and have always been populated by outsiders.
@minicheddarsarebest anglo-saxon make up about 4 million of today's people.
@minicheddarsarebest there have been articles in the peer reviewed journal Nature. There are many peer reviewed articles on the dna markings of the British population, their origins, etc.
@minicheddarsarebest a better cut off line would be the 18th century. With a name like yours it's unlikely you're a native.
Mini cheddars are produced by foreigners.
Soaring living costs prompt youngsters to delay having kids which tanks the fertility rate in the UK. This will deteriorate even further in the near future.
The fertility rate goes down and down, the population goes up and up.
@@jon-xd7tlsame effect as in peeing in your pants in the winter. Temporarely it feels warmer, but soon it will be colder...
@@jon-xd7tlall part of the plan.
Why have children if there is no future?
There are societies where they have less and the future is bleak,that doesn't stop them from having children. Somehow the kids grow up and life goes on...
Ironically if you have no children you have no future.
@@mro2352 True, it guarantees no future.
@@oceejekwam6829 That is selfish.
There is a future.
Almost every region in India now has a fertility rate below replacement.
Mexico and much of Latin America now have fertility rates below replacement levels.
The fertility rate in Iran dropped from 5.5 to 1.6 in about 37 years which is just one generation in many families.
There are no doubt many Iranian women who were born into a family with five children and who now have only one child of their own.
The fertility rate in Turkey has fallen to 1.51.
About the only places that still have fertility rates above replacement are Afghanistan, Pakistan and Africa but no doubt by the end of the century those places too will have fertility rates below replacement.
This is really a world wide phenomenon.
Thank you for rasing the point. The stated reasons for falling fertility, high costs of living and housing, stagnant wages, older age of woman having their first child, access to birth control and sexual health education, increased access to education, increased labour participation, etc. don't apply in counties like Afghanistan, Niger, Sudan and Yemen. Fertility in these counties have fallen by between 1-2 live births over a lifetime over the last 20 years.
There is an environmental factor, whether from air pollution, water pollution or changes in diet. Science will find the environmental factor at some point.
Not Africa though, the oppressed people have more children even though nobody else seems to be able to afford it.
@elinope4745 the oppressed women you mean
A world wide phenomenon that being completely ignored by the MSM because…ahem immigration. 😬
@@elinope4745 Africa is high on victory after decolonization. Just Europe was after WW2. Who also had high fertility. Which crashed down in the 1970s unemployment. African fertility will crash down in the same way. It is only 1 crisis away.
With so many people having no savings, no living wage jobs, and little to no chance of upward mobility or a future, why would someone willingly bring a child into this world knowing the drudgery, and hardship he or she will probably face? This isn't just the UK, but most of the EU, as well as parts of Asia, and other parts of the world.
That has always been the case historically.
So...the wealthiest most comfortable parts of the world?
Israel's doing just fine
@@vinsin328for empires. Not for homogenous ethnic lands.
It's only occuring in one racial groups' countries funny enough.
Almost like it's deliberate.
All through nature animals won't reproduce if they don't feel safe. Many in the UK don't feel safe. They don't see a stable future, a stable home or a reliable environment to raise a child. They feel like they are building on shifting sands and a lack of trust means they create a life with one foot always out the door ready to make an escape. Baggage like a child will just slow that escape.
Also, dating has never been as hard. So many people choosing to stay single, or people that are practically single. Those that are in a relationship for now, but don't really have any intention to making a commitment. They don't want to risk becoming yet another single parent when they have or want to work. Plus, with the amount of hours we spend at work, who has the time, energy, or the inclination to make a child?
I don't think that the UK population will shrink. Immigration will far exceed any shortfall in birth rate. All that will happen is that the indigenous culture will disappear. This has happened many times before in many places all over the world, so the UK is nothing special.
More over, these figure are assuming that our life expectancy stays the same or increase like it has in the past. With what we are doing to ourselves now, poor nutrition, higher stress, higher retirement age, increase in poor mental health, a failing health care system, worse climate, growing crime rates, it wouldn't be surprising to see the average life expectancy start falling once the last of the Boomers are gone. We won't have to worry about an aging population because the average person will die long before they reach retirement.
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@@Junje-ri9jo Yes, yes, very enlightening
A good, well explained explanation
We don't have a trust in this world, in this system, in government. We are all dehumanized also.
How is a warmer climate worse for the UK?
I'm 34 but I still don't feel ready to start raising a family. I need more time to advance my career, afford a home, and find a suitable partner. I'd rather risk running out of time than do it wrong!
What do you do for work?
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There is nothing called perfection.
@@vinsin328 Where did I say anything about perfection? I just need to make sure I'm able to provide for my child and find a partner who is reliable. I don't think that's asking much.
@@user-po3km8in2h At 34, I would advise you to forget it, children born to women in their mid to late 30s have a higher chance of developing Down syndrome and other psychological problems. You will actually put your child at a disadvantage. And getting pregnant will even become more difficult. Just stay single
Nobody can afford children. That's the reason.
and/ or, women don't want kids, or don't want relationships/ they're happy being independent and single. They look at both (living) costs and the destruction of the planet, and it doesn't make sense
Wrong. Historically the wealthy have fewer children, the poor more. Also, as stated by even this ignorant channel, even when large finacial subsidies have been given fkr children, it doesnt affect the numbers. Nothing that goverment have done has. This is because they misdiagnose the issues like this channel and are thus pissing in the wind on soolutions
THEN DON´T HAVE ONE !
@christianliechtenstein4879 so who will pay your state pension, who will look after you in your old age? That's the problem, children are not a burden on society, they are the next generation of taxpayers and the future workforce. They system relies on new children being born each year.
@@mountbatten2222 yep, thats what they just said
From the start of 2020 to the end of 2022 the richest one percent of the world's population increased their wealth by 26 trillion dollars while the other 99 percent of the world's population increased their wealth by 16 trillion dollars.
So 63% of the increase in wealth went to the top one percent,
people who obviously didn't need the money.
I wonder if that even includes all the money that the richest one percent hide overseas so they don't pay taxes on it.
The disparity of income and wealth has increased.
That helps to explain why regular people are struggling to buy a home and to make enough money to raise children.
Explains everything clearly, if they really wanted our young to have children then they stopped shipping all the competition for homes in.
We must not mention that though. The news doesn't mention it, wonder why oh yes cos they are owned by them 😂 we must blame it on someone else like immigrants is what the news states so that's what happens.
That's okay. The wealth is not in the form of money. It's in the form of businesses that provide products and services to the other 99%.
@@FreedomTalkMedia lol you are seriously deluded if you believe that.
@@FreedomTalkMedia The internet says, "Ultra-wealthy individuals invest in such assets as private and commercial real estate, land, gold, and even artwork. Real estate continues to be a popular asset class in their portfolios to balance out the volatility of stocks." Like in the 19th century when plantation owners in the Caribbean put all their wealth into building estate mansions in the British countryside.
Economy for whom? Growth for whom?
Do we really want children to experience the consequences of modern life? Seeing your own children struggling whilst you the parents are struggling, is a mad way to live.
Not the majority; that's for sure!
Trickle down economics isn't working.
Economy and growth of wealth for the top 1%.
It's all greed. Their narcissism constantly want something. Delusional demons
Everyone?
Compare your standard of living to people 100 years ago in terms on technological advancement, medicine, living conditions and compare it to yours.
Economic growth did that.
At the end of the day, if the people are educated, somewhat philosophically minded, and have the means to choose if pregnancy happens - then a lot of people are going to wonder what the purpose of having children is and if it is worth giving the majority of your life away for someone who may not even want to be born. No amount of money is going to fix that, it's a species wide existential crisis.
It’s an easy problem to fix if there’s political will, you can start by getting rid of social security and nursing homes for old people, let people save for their pensions, I can guarantee you lots of women will opt for motherhood because women especially young women are very bad at saving, they waste money on useless things like shoes and handbags. When you know that there will be no social security in old age, you’re more likely to have children.
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@@Borg746 Copium for what
@@wamnicho someone who can't plan or invest for the future isn't going to have kids as an investment for their future.
@@shinjite06 so you think all those Africans are good investors because they’re having lots of kids. Even investments depend on a future young consumer base, for instance, let’s say you invest in rental property today, 30 years from now, your property will become worthless if everyone decided not to have kids because who will rent in that property
Back in the day after an apprenticeship you would be earning good money by the time you are 20 , save a deposite for house in 3 years , enjoy your life , buy a house have a wife and family before 27.
Now in school till 18 , 4 years uni in debt ,work for 2 to 3 years until experience is gained start earning deacent money by 25 or 26 save for deposit for a house for 5 to 10 years get property at 35 everything is fucked
Healthcare got too good, in the good old days you mention people pass away at 67-70. So it’s still affordable to give them a few years of pension, now people live until they are 90. Those extra 20 years of pension healthcare and benefits is what is making everything so expensive.
My brother graduated with a M.A in History at age 21, he didn’t earn much until he hit 30; so majority of graduates don’t earn above £40K until age 30.
I'm 35 and I still don't have any of that!
@@darksider9534Wth have u done with ur life?! 🤣
Even when people do it all in the right sequence things often do not work out
Done on purpose
Keep kids in education by forcing 50% them into university.
Ensure they start adult life with debt they will never pay off.
Raise house prices so they cannot afford to buy until they are 30+.
Raise the cost of everything.
You can't tell me it's not all done on purpose.
Or just the inexorable fate of democratic societies.
I think civilisation's trajectory is predictable. Wealth and power will continue to consolidate. The masses will largely remain pacified by sedentary distractions. Populations will continue to fall. Assets will be come increasingly unaffordable. AI powered robots will come, and will push vast numbers of people out of work, and will be owned by the super rich, further concentrating their control. Ordinary people will live on small stipends, allowing them a base level of subsistence, and will be provided with distractions such as video games, porn, social media and AI sex dolls. The super rich will enjoy healthy dynasties, living in clean natural environments while the masses live in polluted waste lands ravaged by climate change and crime. Any opportunity for resistance will be long passed as every corner of the world will be monitored by AI powered surveillance and enforcement. People will live lives on virtual entertainment, never leaving a chair, with every need provided by robots. The rich will enjoy large gardens, fields and nature reserves, restricted from the masses, and will look like gods as they enhance their bodies with gene therapies, while the poor turn obese and disease ridden.
It ain't 30+ if it takes 18 years to save for a deposit. More like 40+ if you do it perfectly.
@AlexParkYT good point. Without family support for the deposit, you are in trouble.
I got 25K from the sale of my nan's house 15 years ago, which I used for the deposit on my first house. Without that, my life would be very different, (despite grafting and now being stung for higher rate taxes).
Guessing you need £40K+ for a deposit now.
I’m 66 and never wanted children as from an early age could see the world going to shit. Falling levels of wildlife, wild spaces, costs rising…….
Housing costs and cost of living is causing people in their 30's to be still living with their parents. Wage growth has been poor. This is not good for birth rates . Friends daughter has been saving for over 10 years for a deposit !
Most people are barely surviving
The ppl have the most children are living in poverty and dying of starvation. Truth is countries that expect women to study and work in their fertile years have the lowest birth rates. And technically the conception rate is the same, the children are all getting aborted before being born.
That is how things have been historically.
@@Kingkongmentalthose ppl do that cuz of no access to birth control and no sex education...
The stigmatisation of having kids whilst on welfare benefits did a great job contributing if not accelerating
this decline.
I had one son in the mid 90s whilst on welfare benefits, I got rid of his useless father and quickly went had a coil fitted. He’s the only child I have and will have since I’m in my 50s now.
Kids from benefits cleaning parents end up on benefits also? Negative. My son works and has always.
Kids from single parents mothers end up being criminals?
Not always. My son isn’t and has never been, doesn’t drink alcohol neither smokes
Anybody who is having kids in this day and age isn't paying attention. I knew these days were coming back in the 80s. The best thing I ever did for my kids was not having them.
As a Kiwi living in the UK I find the ONS data almost alarmingly inaccurate in prodicting future population trends. Nz has a more aging population that UK (at the start of the extreme decline weve seen in other countries), and its normal there to see billboard ads from Australian govt and states actively poaching skilled workers. We have also seen all the universities starting to close campuses and lay offs due to not enough yound people. When we spent a year in Canada they too seemed to have the ethos that w/o actively recruiting skilled workers from overseas that skilled workers will be harder to come by in the future (as most countries bar a few are facing declining populations, so they have all started competing with each other). The UK is not just asleep at the wheel for UK births, but is actively discouraging migration. At the moment we have a buffer of a few years, but w/o the ONS taking on the real trends the govt wont be able to plan effectively to mitigate the fall out..
True, but the UK mistake is letting in people (illegally) with no skills that are a drain on resources and not a benefit net gain to the economy/society/community
Immigration can be great if it is targeted and brings in the right people. In the UK, it is certainly not targeted.
Only 15% of immigrants that arrived in the UK last year were "high skilled"
I can walk around my local town & see where they're working. Lots in kebab shops, barbers, car washes, food vans etc.
All the typical money laundering places.
Here in Ireland, traditionally a high fertility rate, its so obvious now its plummeting. In fact imo its much worse than even the UK predictions. The human hoarding is incredible here particularly folk from Ukraine, but you daren't question anything for being accused of being right wing fascist. Taken in one hundred thousand Ukrainians, yet when the brutal war was raging in the Balkans back in the 90s we hardly took in any refugees. This war now is disgusting, also a lot of Russian folk trying to escape, who could blame them . There was comprehensive study done 2017 on the fertility rate of Polish woman here, it stood at 1.05 (L. Kilmek) its available online. I think the plan is that when this war ends their husbands will join them here and start families, mind you who knows, because I don't think there is a plan. One thing here is also becoming evident, there will potentially be an asset rich generation, due to inheritance of childless relatives, with the decreasing forward generation, its a fertility cliff not a steady decline
We import around 1.4 million people per year and this has been true for the last 5 years or so. We import plenty of people.
But why is this a problem? In 1980 there were 55 million people in the country. And somehow they lived, everything was ok. There will simply be more space, water, and resources for everyone than now. Why do we need endless population growth?
Because if this becomes the norm and remains the same, you're looking at societal destruction within a.few generations.
No species has ever decided to breed itself out of existence.
Money for the rich
We do not. 🌍❤️
It's not just population size, it's the age of that population. Too many old people and not enough young people to support them. 😊
Like a Panda, I will not breed in captivity.
The middle class is on life support. People can barely afford themselves. Plus every day we hear about climate change, habitat destruction, social unrest, and wars. Why bring children into that? Maybe in a different time I might have had children, but even with both me and my husband working we can barely afford our apartment. Plus, we are exhausted all the time from full time work and the children would need daycare. We’d hardly see them anyway.
Endless growth is crazy. The problem with wanting more people is you would have to need more people to sustain more people. There must be another view that suits human life better than just growing and growing.
As we celebrate National Day in Singapore, I’ve been reflecting on the sustainability of societies built primarily around money. History shows that civilizations focused on material wealth often face eventual decline. While investments can provide short-term benefits, they rely on monetary systems that weaken over time. I’ve been investing indirectly in the UK and believe that something fundamental needs to change in our approach to ensure long-term stability and growth.
While I do believe there is wisdom in your words, I see societies not built around money having relatively poor quality of life, and tend to be built on other forms of wealth that elevate social status as people tend to be competitive, and wish to better themselves. It would make more sense, in my opinion, to continue solving problems rather than having a new experiment with our society.
Higher productivity has elevated us into comfortable living. We must think of ways to reward raising children, forming a family as a society, or making it easier, or at least make achieving what the people consider prerequisite to having children easier. Right now the trade off between pursuing money and comfort against raising children is too high. We need to make this gap smaller if we want to see a more sustainable society.
Perpetual long term "growth" is literally impossible...
The UK's population is not declining. Its BRITISH population is declining.
Yes the native British population is declining but the immigrant population is increasing.
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One question that comes to mind: So what? In order to have bigger families the traditional order must be restored. A breadwinner and a caregiver. Two fulltime employees simply don't have the energy and outsourcing your kids isn't appealing.
Actually, the model of a male breadwinner and a female caregiver family is an invention of the era of the Industrial Revolution. Most of history did not have that model. Fathers and mothers both worked in the home for the most part and fathers taught their sons their skills and mothers taught their daughters. This was seen in both pre-industrialized societies and hunter-gatherer societies. Let's not go backwards to the era of breaking fathers from their sons just so that factories can have labourers and removing the ability for mothers to contribute economically while giving all childraising burden to them. Surely with the new Technological Revolution we are entering we can fing a healthier more "human-friendly" family model closer to how we evolved.
My wife would have been pregnant in a heartbeat if she had the option of being a proper fulltime mum.
In my case i need 95% of mental bandwidth for work during working hours & afterwards i'm drained. Working at home is an option, but in terms of support i might as well be at the office. Not comparable with pre industry or hunter gatherer times jobs. Any boy would be bored to tears if i tried to teach him my skill.
The male breadwinner and female caregiver model is not the holy grail, but for us that would work well enough to expand the family.
As long as we both need to work fulltime jobs we are not going to have children. It's just not appealing.
That's not going to happen. Stop dreaming about yesteryear. If you cannot adapt to modern life in a technologically advanced society go and live in Afghanistan. 😐
@@DEZZ6 We adapt fine thank you, but that wasn't the point was it? Then this modern life in a technological advanced society will have to do without big families.
With people becoming more self centred, having children compromises a persons lifestyle hugely, making them less likely. To the average couple, having children these days pretty much ensures a life of financial struggle.
For some that's the case. It he majority of people who DO want to start a family can't because they can't afford it.
The housing costs have risen massively along with rent, utility bills, and the cost of food at record highs. If people can't afford the basics, then they certainly won't add to the issue they have by having a child. Either wages need to rise or the cost of everything needs to drop. But the greedy companies, employers, and government won't allow that to happen. So, their solution is unregulated immigration to make sure the pay stays low. We are not the only country experiencing this. Most Western societies are in the same position. It's all planned anyway.
Population decline is one of the most effective ways to get lower housing cost.
@parcomolo256 the rich, greedy banks, and the hedge fund managers will buy them all up, they would rather leave them empty rather than drop the price, believe me.
Encouraging more children is more than just giving mothers money and affordability. Society has been telling us children are a burden and women should wait as long as possible so they can have a career.
Yep
You can blame radical feminism for that.
Also I think me have given up on women and don't want the bother.
@@sp4rtavus244 i think some people have. They got stung too many times that they value other things now.
@@macflod Yes, that's exactly right. There isn't too much in a marriage for men anymore, especially if it goes wrong. They are just seen as collateral damage due to an ailing modern society and not spoken about. I always tell young men to be very very careful if they are thinking of getting married.
You have to be on benefits to afford to have kids, everyone else is struggling with both parents having to work to keep the roof over their heads.
There's an argument in the comments that it's not a financial thing because poor people have many kids. In some countries, that's because they need the kids to make money for them. In the UK, maybe they can claim benefits or don't care about the financial issues or raising them well. It's not exactly a model that's good.
It's a very sensible mindset to avoid having kids if you're struggling financially, don't feel stable, don't have a house, NHS sucks, etc. Having kids will increase the struggle and financial pressure. In the past, people could have kids in mid-20s. Today, people can't have kids until mid-30s. That means that a new generation comes every 35 years instead of 25 years. That's a birth rate reduction of 40%.
Government incentives are nowhere near enough to fix the financial issues.
Time is also a factor. In the past, a single person on minimum wage could afford a house and could support a family, while the other partner took care of the household, chores and kids. Also, work tended to be 9-5 instead of 9-6. Today, both people in a relationship work + have to do chores and maintain the house after work. They have far less free time. Culture has also changed so that grandparents aren't really in the picture anymore, so there is less babysitting help. Adding kids to that is much harder.
There are other reasons too. For example dating is harder for various reasons and some people don't want kids.
However, the biggest core issue is money. If jobs paid enough so that one person could work and support a family in a stable way, things would be much better. Instead, inequality is high, living standards are dropping, rich are getting richer at record rates, buying up all assets and declaring record profits. Companies exist purely for profit, and they make more profit if they pay us as low as possible and charge as much as possible for their products. Working people are taxed way too much. High earners are not much better off compared to the past because assets are too expensive and tax is very high.
Poor people, especially in poor and undeveloped countries, also tend to have many kids due to poor health services and education, because abortion is criminalized, and mysoginy / machismo culture. Many of those large families are raised by single women, because the fathers are nowhere to be found or are not providing. There are also still places in the world where women have several kids because some may not make it to adulthood.
There is a subconscious feeling that we are entering really bad times. People feel it in all parts of the world. Thus, the desire to bring offspring into this world diminished. Once bad time is over, there is usually a baby-boom.
Good Finland is doing fine with 4.5 million. It is one of the world's happiest countries and has low crime rate.
@dantesparda7719 I wonder why? I'm visiting Helsinki next month maybe I'll find out.
And it's next door neighbour is Russia. What could possibly go wrong ???
Id love to have children but it’s impossible to find anyone to have children with. Social media has made us non social, and society destroyed the family cohesion and made it a huge financial strain, also pushed on us from early age is like becoming a parent young is not good so people put it off too long.
I'm 38 and social media only just came in when I was at uni - it wasn't a big thing, at least people weren't addicted to it - people would go out, date normally, hook up care free etc etc
Now if you ask a person out IRL they cannot comprehend even the question; it's like if you don't meet on an app then it can't be allowed to happen.
Social media in my mind is a net negative for society.
@@TobotronPrime im slightly older than you, i remember social mediA arriving when i too was in my final uni Year and every one jumping on it as a novelty. Prior to that we would talk sometimes on msn messenger. Anyway i was aware much of my time was spent talking on msn but it was still like chatting just remotely. Unlike what i felt with social media
After about 2 months on social media i got rid of it except YT - i keep clear of it today as i did all these years And with intro of shorts im thinking to reduce YT exposure too because they designed to get you hooked on the app for ages. Already i can feel the so called “tic tok brain rot” i definitely had my attention span reduced if punchline is not fast. Yeah probably i will take a break from YT too soon.
To me what i found bizarre and i still do think its weird, was on social media i started spending hours reading about everyone else’s life. Often id be busy studying and felt a sense of envy seeing what people were doing if they did something more fun than me. It made me think i meed to do something more than them or i feel bad. Then i realised- why should i care, its not my business and im not getting into this one up deep in my conscience contest and why are we expected to broadcast our life to everyone.
I quickly stopped using it. Now the answers to these questions and thought i had are obvious but back then it was such a change although we didn’t know it then.
Now we know People just paint a fake online life, they need constant attention, they share crazy stuff on line for sympathy and attention and can ruin their lives. Cameras are everywhere, its horrendous.
Of course there are some good things too but its totally warped human minds.
Yeah! People IRL are like- what someone just spoke to me!? Online im a bit of a ghost, i don’t have much presence, people find that weird but sometimes intriguing but mostly they just get bored or suspicious as they feel They can’t gauge who i am fully but i find it weird that they would go by something i could fabricate online anyway. Yeah i missed out on a lot of things going on as it was always- oh it was announced on FB or whatever. For all that though, Id rather have my time than waste it doomscrolling.
Because it's ridiculously expensive. Childcare is extortionate, and then there's the cost of living.. bills, cost of food etc . The list goes on
When I was in college back in the early 80's, I was a quarter of a gang of four, out of that gang, one of us lives with an older lady and has done for over 30 years, one of us got married in his early forties to a lady slightly older than himself, another of us still plays the field and I'm the ugly one who has remained single, none of us have children, my friend who lives with his older partner, she has had two children from previous marriages, this isn't something recent, I'm within 10 years of the current retirement age, at least 30% of the people I work with don't have children and I'm in a job where most of us are older, over 40, it's been ongoing for some time now, it's only social media that's now raising the issue, greed, house prices, rent prices, education costs and the general rising cost of living is making it unaffordable to have children, most of my immigrant friends have a child, but also, many have moved to other countries and left the UK
You know what pisses me off? It is that if you were a woman talking about your besties, you would have at least two comments by now accusing all four of you of "hypergamy" and for "wasting your youth" and being "past the wall". But you're men, so all is good.
But when women complain about sexism, we are just wrong because "there is no sexism in the West".
@@xrc7445 yeah but they can still have kids with a younger women in their 40s and 50s and a woman simply can't.
In the US there's very few jobs that can afford people to have children. Most jobs can't even keep one person living much less a family. The lack of health care and especially those with pre existing conditions are driving force to not have kids. Economic is really the deciding factor in having children.
Since the 1980s, economic resources have been relentlessly transferred from those in their fertile years to those in their infertile years. It's really that simple!
Yes, that perfectly sums up the major problem of the elderly voting for whichever political party will only benefit them, at the expense of their children's future, for the last few decades.
This is sheer nonsense. You have been brainwashed to keep blaming others for your problems. Everyone votes for the party who they think will best run the country. You have your choice, allow others to have their choice. 🙄♥️
Sadly most western countries don’t see value in children. The current system is not set up for mothers and families in the UK. Having a child has become a luxury for those who can afford them.
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Western countries are replacing their populations with people with higher fertility rates.
hmmm...the current system supports individualism rather than family or household system. In many countries women are not ready to get settle.
@@vinsin328we are in current system coz one of the reasons have been ever rising population
No I just think my kids have more value than being a miserable wage slave or fodder in some rich guys war.
I will not have kids if either is a possibility
I can tell you through lived experience why this is, by the time I could afford any type of home I was 30yrs old - by the time I was financially settled I was 36;
If a girlfriend doesn’t commit with you at this point you’re starting again as a man in your mid life with absolutely everything to lose if things go wrong.
So it’s safer to just date and have fun than let anyone too financially close to you.
It’s the fault of society and rent extraction as a priority over relationships and families.
Rent now requires 2 full time incomes. Forget having kids
There is zero benefit to have kids in the UK, and most of Europe also. Especially as the country is on the road to mediocrity, if it has not already arrived at that. Why would you want your children to have less opportunity than you had? Best to get a cat or dog.
The fertility rate is an average. Some people will choose to have no children. Some will have ten.
Well it used to. More kids meant more benefits, jump the housing queue. Rules have changed somewhat but still a big draw for migrants
You have kids because you want kids and you are indebted to your ancestors and state. You do not have kids so that they should have better opportunity that you had - as that is unpredictable.
@@vinsin328 true
@@vinsin328 indebted? Load of bullshit.
FOUR TO A ROOM? LUXURY. THERE WERE FIFTEEN OF US LIVING IN COAL PIT ...
You're lucky, we had to live in a lake!
@@jonnyc429 Lake with fresh water? Our coal pit was filled with toxic brine ...
Is that how you wish your grandchildren to live? In their workplace and is dorm rooms?
@@nothereandthereanywhere as long as they pay mill owner for permission to come to work
Well when I were a lad we had to go to work before we got up and were lucky to get a shillin' a year to spend on boots for work. Trousers were a luxury and our father used to beat us with a lump of coal just to break it up for the fire. No, we had it bad we did, and when we got home from T' pit we used to sit on glass jam jars and drink from a wooden fruit box...in fact we weren't just poor...we were stupid!!!
This doesn't have to be that bad of a thing though. I do think people should have the choice to have kids, but it really isn't the end of the world if the population declines it just depends on how we adapt around that. Could well be a positive, especially regarding housing.
The population just goes on rising ...
Being childless means that you are responsible.
It's better to grow old alone than having a child that would literally suffer in this economy.
Kids are a pain they cost a fortune they get in the way stop you doing what you want why would you want to have them
Because there is no greater joy and meaning in this life than having kids … and I’ve tried a few things before I became a dad, including cocaine.
@@WitnessmooCocaine?; what a outrageous waste, no wonder you came to the conclusion that being a parent is the best. If you were intelligent you would have developed a passionate interest in at least one creative hobby and devoted your time and energies into that you would have led a fulfilling life and held onto your freedom, less workload and less stress than being a parent.
@@Witnessmoothere is no meaning in life that's the beauty of it. Everything we do is meaningless. And our children's life will be the same.
@@Witnessmoohumans seek satisfaction.
They think money big house kids beautiful wife or rich husband will give them that but that's not the case
For satisfaction u need peace and a work u love with as much pay as required for ur basic needs
That's the greatest satisfaction ever one can get.
That's why after covid ppl realised this and started working towards what they love
@@Witnessmoo that's cope though
One comment about the African population - the higher birthrates are in regions of African countries that are more rural and less modernized. As populations increase these countries will need to modernize to sustain themselves. The birthrate will necessarily peak out and follow the developed countries pattern. This is similar to what's happened in (modern)Eastern and (rural)Western Turkey. Remember, Western countries provide a large pool of skill and knowledge to keep large, high birthrate countries able to sustain themselves. As the population in the West declines, these human resources will become more scarce - creating economic pressure to either modernize the workforce or to reduce population. My point is you cannot have a 100+million country without the modern means of keeping it going and a modern country needs a modern workforce.
Nobody seems to understand this. Many think the world population will grow to infinity but the most likely would be that it peaks at around 11billion because of the points you raised above. As people get richer and infant death drops people will choose to have fewer kids as it becomes even more expensive to raise them because of, again, the points you raised above.
I decided to leave and raise a family in Poland. Housing was affordable, childcare is cheap, the country has steady growth (in reality rather than paper GDP growth based on mass immigration), it's a high-trust and safe society (see my earlier point about mass immigration), and my children can realistically expect a better life than mine - like I grew up.
The UK is in a series of demographic death spirals and I don't see it getting out of them.
Aside from the obvious financial reasons that people aren’t having children, I feel that our culture is becoming increasingly hostile to children. Education has been stripped of funding (nobody is investing in children despite the fact that they will get older and become future tax payers). People cannot tolerate children in public spaces (e.g. babies crying) and people openly mock people who choose to have children/ want children. I am 25 and I have experienced this as someone who has expressed interest in having children.
We are also making it unappealing to women. Standards of care during pregnancy and labour have fallen. Women aren’t offered health care like pelvic physiotherapy after birth. There is no longer a “village” or support network for expectant parents and if you even suggest their should be more support, people come out of the woodwork and start stating that “your child is your responsibility only” and place an expectation on parents that they should do it all alone and not complain… which is clearly not natural. Women aren’t respected if they choose to stay home as they aren’t contributing, but they can’t afford to put their child in nursery either, and even if they can they also hear conflicting opinions on their decision to do this. We need to make young women feel confident and safe to have children and optimistic about the future if we want to see an increase in birth rates.
I have never, ever heard people mocking or expressing hostility to wannabe parents, unless they are the irresponsible kind who expect other people take care of them and their children, or who keep having kids they clearly cannot afford or have no interest in raising themselves.
Children are indeed the responsibility of the parents, not the other taxpayers. If you cannot figure this out, you should NOT have children. 😐❤️
The system mistreats the cattle to extract more profit out of them.
Yet expects the cattle to happily breed nonetheless...
Tough luck, the cattle is on strike.
Lot's off yung women's simple needs to work, because one salary not enough to support family. Can't take time off never. Under pressure is to high. Boomer's generations own all .
And who is going to inherit all the boomers wealth in the next decade?
You miss WEF’s plan for western europe. People and culture replacement.
Children are annoying - I blame the parents
Economies need people to thrive. Less citizens having children will increase immigration.
Do we though?
If GDP per capita continues to fall & the majority feels worse off; is endless immigration the best answer?
F the economies!!!
They are not working for the people.
Do away with Capitalism and billionaires - they own half of the world's wealth.
@@ONYX-365coz the higher ups need slave workers
They don't care if u are black white brown immigrant native
To them u are just a worker
Then why "economy" is making it do hard for people to have kids?
Late stage capitalism is the bane of the people, yet the 1% expect us to breed to keep their profits up...
They are the only one worrying about the fall of natality.
@@ONYX-365No. you would just be creating mass impoverishment within your lands, and encouraging low education in your population
To want to have children you don't first need money, you need hope.
People were having bigger families in the middle of WW2.
Where was their hope?
Hope doesn't pay the bills.😕
@@TheIrishnyno sex ed and birth control is to blame
Three somewhat drastic steps to reduce housing problem for young generation;
1. No individual/trust/corporation/entity is allowed to have more than one house.
2. Nationalise all rental developments to avoid profiteering
3. Ban on new house/Apt construction over 2000 sq ft. (arbitrary number, can be tweaked at the start)
I’m more conservative but agree with you on principal. There is some market use for rentals and single properties should be independent. Rent should be used for two things, temporary housing for when you get to a new area and the second being for saving for a home. That said there should be a cap on the amount of housing assets a company can own and the types. I agree on the third point completely. In the states they build McMansions that cost $100k more than they should because of easy money and financialization. As to how to slow the financialization, remove the 1031 exchange. That would have a HUGE impact on property prices and change them from an asset that people can easily pull like an ATM.
Dreaming of communism /nationalization/socialism? Suggest you do some homework on this topic to see how well these have worked for others. Think Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Cuba, USSR, and MANY others. 😭😱😱😱😱😱🙄
I have two young kids at ages 1 and 4 and I worry about their future. My wife and I are both professionals, and better educated than our parents before us. We are currently moving home, which is crazy expensive. I understand we may be considered lucky ones in a millennial group that often can’t afford housing. However in comparison to our parents, we are both much less well off than they were at a similar age. Housing, cars, food, fuel and especially childcare is cripplingly expensive.
If we, as educated professionals cant afford to save anything and can hardly afford the cost of nursery for us to work, then what does the future hold for my daughter and my son? I’d like another child but my wife is convinced we can’t afford it. Dire microeconomics projecting into long term dire macro outlook.
It's now an absolute deadlock. Population is aging; economy is stagnant; salary is low; Yet, housing is expensive. Immigrants lead to higher demand on housing so we ask to stop. Economy is not growing cos there's insufficient manpower and productivity. No economy growth leads to few jobs and lower salary growth, so people don't get a job and rely on social benefits, which increased the tax burden. Tax will hike and talents are not moving to the UK, leading to more economic turmoil.
Unless Brits' mindset make a fundamental change and are willing to work together to bring dynamics to the economy like what you can see in US, Singapore, Japan and South Korea, which is not possible, there's no future in this country's economy.
If there is anything i have learnt in all these years is that the future forcast base on current trend statistics never comes to fruition.
Your videos are absolutely brilliant but they are so depressing!
Why don't you encourage more migrants to move in to fill up the void ?
People just aren't interested in relationship, friendships, or family anymore. Everything that is happening has happened before. People will have to work it out and adapt just like people in the past did.
32 male here, UK. There is zero chance I'm having children. Screw that nonsense.
It's quite simple. If i cannot afford to buy a 3 bed semi with a garden, by the time i'm 30, wotking an average job, and have it fully paid off when i'm in my 40's. Then i will never have children 💁♂️
Having a house fully paid off in your 40s does seem unrealistic. I got a 30 year mortgage 4 years ago, that means it will be fully paid off around 5 years before retirement which really is all you need. Retiring with a mortgage seems to be a bad idea but retiring having to pay ever increasing rent also seems a bad idea.
@@lightweightben It's only unrealistic, because of the current housing bubble. My parents managed it on 1.5 salaries.
It's unrealistic to expect the conditions under which your parents bought to be considered normal. They were the generation (I suspect) that got everything for free (education) or on the cheap. That won't be coming back, but it does need to be addressed to a degree.
It's not the same world your parents bought you into. And that you think that way suggests you don't have the personal finance knowledge you need. Sorry, but you can't step into the same river twice. The economy is very, very different, and lifetime employment is no longer a given. You need to have a realistic plan, and understand the direct and indirect costs of your ambition. That means making a financial plan based on present and future spending for saving and investing. You can't wing it now, because graduates getting paid minimum wage is a thing. And there are no guarantees. You have to organised. Learn how about, savings and investing in a tax efficient way. And the costs if buying a home and the costs of maintaining. For example, Tejvan's told us he had decided to extend the duration if his mortgage, because mortgage costs were accelerating ahead of his earnings. Instead of finishing paying in 30 years, he's looking at 40 years. Another thing, when Boris Johnson was prime minister he was discussing with the mirtgage industry the introduction of intergenerational mortgages, where the outstanding debt that remains is passed into your inheritors after your death. Google it, and just think why that was being discussed in government. The world is changing, and will still change faster than you know. You need to learn about how to make your money work as hard as it can, and protect yourself as well. You cannot afford to be complacent. You need to know how to do that. I hope you are checking out decent UK personal finance channels and people like Martin Lewis, and researching what you need to do, because you'll need to be ahead of the curve. If you can afford ut, subscribe to Which? Money magazine published by the Consumer Association. A sub gets you not only the magazine that is full of savings, investment, and personal finance advice, but gives you access to advice services as a perk. Good Luck I hope your dreams come true. With luck, the right knowledge, and the right help you can do it. 👍
You gonna be without a family in this case(if you live south, not in the north)
My Pakistani neighbours in UK have 7 children despite being not well off. Just saying what the future is going to look like..
You used to be able to buy a decent home in a decent area 30 years ago on one income, leaving one parent to stay at home/work part time and bring children up, double good full time incomes needed now with absolute no give in system - people have got nothing now except work work work, get in debt if you have a holiday etc
Who can afford this shit anymore? This is the same situation as the US.
Who could have ever imagined that quiet quitting is the ultimate and most effective form of rebellion. If just 20% of society started quiet quitting, it would be over.
I addition to the very poor economic outlook, we're being warned of disastrous climate change, future pandemics, food insecurity, and the world leaders recklessly threatening the use of nuclear weapons. Why would you bring a child into that?
There are a lot of men from the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent immigrating to the UK, they will keep the population up according to some liberal medias
Financial situation is NOT the primary reason of birth rate declining, and it has NEVER been. It's lifestyle and modern mindset. Here's my evidence: Throughout history when wealth was so poorly distributed, like my grandma's time, for example, everyone was poorer and birth rate was high. The poorer countries in the world have higher birth rates while the more developed and richer countries in the world have lower birth rates
People will have children once they are more optimistic about the future of the country. Not much of that around at the moment
The ppl have the most children are living in poverty and dying of starvation in terrible economies. Truth is countries that expect women to study and work in their fertile years have the lowest birth rates. And technically the conception rate is the same, the children are all getting aborted before being born.
No the opposite is true, the more wealthy and secure a society is the fewer children are born. In Poor societies having more children is an insurance for help in old age.
@@jamesthomas4841 abolish pensions, then people will need to have children to care for them in old age.
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Try running for election on that platform and see how it goes.
Even when politicians try to raise the age of retirement by five years they may face riots in the streets.
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No. Much better to have fewer children
"The latest estimates on migration from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) suggest that in 2023: 1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 532,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 685,000."
Quite right, the birth rate may be falling but the population is not falling it is increasing by 700,000 a year.
I will worry about it if/when the population ACTUALLY starts FALLING!
@@patdbean It's not the population falling that should worry you, it's the burden working people will have in supporting our retirees. There will be alot more people. Next 20 years, the number of retirees is going to increase quite a bit compared to increase in workforce. Meaning, there's going to be more tax burden to the workers. There's already talks of raising retirement age to 71 to reduce the number of years pensioners claiming pension. Korean population didn't fall with birth rate of 0.7. Does that mean they won't have a problem in 20 years? No, they truly have an enormous problem ahead. WW2 didn't make birth rate fall this much. They will lose third their workforce will leave work in the next 20 years... their pensioner to work ratio will double.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Korea
@@johnyun2340 then correct the retirement age. My 4 grand parents lived an average of 7 years after stopping work.
At 65 today you can expect to live 17 years.
@@patdbean The unfortunate part of that is, living longer has not resulted in being able to work significantly longer despite our advancement in medicine. A 75 year old is still 75 year old, with limited motor functions and mental capacities for vast majority of population. That said, I don't disagree with you that retirement age will likely have to be longer for all of us. May even be longer when we retire.
@@johnyun2340 if you look at were the benefits spending is going. It is not pensioners or the unemployed.
Most 60%+ goes on in work benefits, because the spending power of the average wage has done nothing but fall for decades.
The average of 19k in the year 2000 needs to be 44k today to have kept up with RPI (real inflation , (not this CPI rubbish they use now)
But in fact average full time pay is 36k.
And you wonder why so many want to take early retirement. Some are even better off on benefits.
Responsible adults feel they can't afford to have children.
When there is a decline in the birthrate, the next generation of adults can benefit from the lower demand for housing, resulting in cheaper home prices/rent, and higher wages as the lower supply of workers increases their value. So who is this really a crisis for?
CORRECT! It's a natural self regulated negative - feedback loop. Currently demand is too high and supply is too low. When overpopulation decreases, demand will fall and supply will increase. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There won’t ever be a lower demand for housing because immigration control will be relaxed to fill the void that has been left from people not having kids.
How would anyone have children if most can't even afford a house? Me and my wife both earn 2 decent salaries in London, and we're looking into it, but it's still very hard without massive compromises
you would have to move out of london realisitcally
Just knew everyone would just say move out of London. The rest of the UK is also unaffordable.
@@chrishart8548 Prices up everywhere but a small apartment of house is bound to be less expensive outside of the capital city.
That is what life is all about - compromises and sacrifices. Life is not party - it is about sacrifice. Your ancestor did - for them family and children means happiness.
@@vinsin328 what makes you think I don’t know that? I know very well actually, I never got money or gifts from anyone. Anything I have or I have achieved I did on my own. My mother was the only one that tried but unfortunately she didn’t have much to give, because she too had a hard life. So trust me I know.
Ive always thought children would be both expensive and inconvenient-so great news
@@suegrabbitandrun your parents didn't think so
I assume you dont care for a government funded pension or healthcare?
AI will cover the need for a large portion of workforce and then the powers that be will keep the pressure to keep the populations small. Because they won't need workers.
When I was growing up people had large families, there was free education, low cost council housing and a secure, a well paid job for the one breadwinner of the family whilst the other adult took care of the children and the household (in my case that was dad). Then corporate greed set in and public service was sold off to the highest bidder. Now we’re all up shit creek without a paddle. You can’t privatise babies.
Well said.
I was surprised to see the chart said the UK fertility rate will fall to 1.2 children per woman by the year 2100. If anything, it will probably reach 1.2 children per woman by 2040 or 2045.
And yet the population keeps on rising.
Sperm fertility falls by 1% per year according to the experts 🤷🏼♂️
@@jon-xd7tl That is only because of high immigration levels.
It’s not about the cost. Immigrants are generally not well off, they make up 15% of the UK population currently but account for 30% of births. The real reason for low fertility rates is that many modern women have ridiculously high expectations of men and often don’t even consider motherhood until their mid-30s by which time the odds of success are slim.
True
There are plenty of men who don’t want the responsibility either.
"Ridiculously high expectations of men" - also known as men who will not cheat, abuse, gaslight, or lie, who are hard workers, and who are not little boys who think all housework and child rearing is a women's job. You insult all men if you think not acting like a big toddler is asking for too much.
@@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836 most modern women’s expectations are considerably higher than that.
There are lots of young men that don't want to have the pressure and cost of being a father as well.
Why do we need more children when the world is changing to a automated world where you need less & less people to do jobs.
Even if I could afford them I wouldn't want them. You've got to be mad to bring children into today's world.
When on a first date with an African girl, most will ask how many children I want to have and bluntly tell me how many they want (most often this number is 4)
When on a first date with a British girl, most talk about how they don't want children and just want to become rich, move to Dubai and have loads of expensive stuff
These are women living in the same country, doing the same types of jobs and in the same living situations. The difference is cultural
Some parts of the world have a longer history of birth control than others.
Different parts of the world have different approaches to pension provision.
@@jon-xd7tl it’s a lot deeper than that, your point assumes that the optimal choice is to not have children and that women who want large families only do so because of a lack of options
However not worth going into in CZcams comments!
*Western women have been sold a lie*
A promise that a "cereer" will fulfil them. They only had to ask men if they enjoy their jobs.
A recent study asked UK employees their opinions on work.. 80% said they hate their jobs.
Take a look around mate. Im a black brit and those africans that come over here are just about sponging off the gove while they have kids in droves. Im in Northampton and there flipping everywhere. Thats why your african date mentioned kids right away. Most have them in poverty.
@@Crukren89 Sounds like a very different experience to what I’ve had, those without UK citizenship can’t get benefits anyway, and from what I’ve seen it’s British people who sponge the most
Ban abortion, porn, condoms, contraceptives, and penalize anyone without kids. Offer zero percent tax on those with 8 kids or more. Problem solved.
I am childfree and waiting for that sweet robot to take care of me even if I am only 49. Much better than a child. Can I have a robot cat too?
Machines malfunction though.
You wouldn't want to be around a Care Robot when it malfunctions, that could be fatal.
Actually we have an open border for unskilled people while we ourselves can't afford homes no matter how educated or driven we are.
The population will probably increase, and everyone will be poor, miserable and angry.
This is no country for a young man or woman. Seek to make your living overseas, especially if you are ambitious. Don't put up with life here.
The asylum system is broken yes but criteria for legal migration via work visas is actually pretty strict. Much more than most realise.
I have young sons and I am often thinking about what country they will live in when they’re older as I can’t see Britain being an option at this point for them, especially if it gets even more dysfunctional and expensive. It’s so sad what’s happened to our beloved countries.
@@voodo0983 im not arguing that the numbers are too high but the people that are coming in are not unskilled. You need to meet specific criteria, have a certain amount of work experience and qualifications before being granted a visa.
...You cant just turn up at the airport like you think.
@@suzannesmith4513 If your children are able to become sufficiently successful to gain entry, Switzerland remains the best option in my opinion.
Wish you the best, I have the same concerns for the future.
What countries do you recommend?
And the only ones having children are the ones who shouldn't be having them.
Right!!!! That's a major problem. 😱😱😱😱😱
I dont think it's only economics at play here. Population is collapsing in both poor and rich countries. There is something more fundamental at play.
Wahhh 😭😭
People around the world are choosing to be child free.
The only ones panicking over shrinking populations are the rich.
Its odd to see a species celebrating breeding itself out of existence.
Humans are basically pandafying themselves.
I am a bit poor and concerned when there will be loads of old people about and a small working age population.
An interesting video. It does, however, miss that mass immigration can also affect population insofar as it can suppress the native population's desire to have children because they feel alienated in their own land.
Another major factor is the rise of single people. The cost of children isn't even a factor without steady long term relationships.
Lower birth rate is not the same as lower population growth. In spite of having a lower birth rate, population growth in uk is high cause of immigration,
Pretty sad. Sooner or later, the Native British population is going to be replaced in its own homeland.