Twelve O'Clock High : S1E15 Those Who Are About To Die
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- Twelve O'Clock High is an American drama series set in World War II. This TV series originally broadcast on ABC-TV for two-and-one-half TV seasons from September 18, 1964, through January 13, 1967; was based on the motion picture Twelve O'Clock High (1949).
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This series has displayed some of the finest acting I have seen from a TV serial.
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Yes indeed.
Believe it or not, my MOM was a radio operator for B-17s on ferry flights from the US to England from 1942 to 1945.
She always insisted that "In the air, the lady was a Queen". What struck her most of all was the lack of old faces and the number of new ones every time she went to an airfield she had been to before.
The men of the 8th Air Force had to prove the untried principles of strategic bombing against distant targets, often without fighter escorts, or only escorted part of the way. Their courage was incredible.
WAC Were as important as anyone. The WAC pilots would fly new aircraft to where they were needed. Women have always been part of everything. They always will be. Thank God in heaven for them
Robert Lansing was perfect for this role. He is always played a serious role in what ever he played. To think that the average age of a bomber crew was 22 years old is totally amazing. The average 22 year old boy today is just exactly that a boy.
Yes he did that weight of command on his shoulders rather well🧐
Sad but true
Yes, woke crybabies, still under their parents medical insurance. I joined the Navy at 17 and saw my first dead service member at 18.
My uncle Gilbert waa B-17 pilot and B-29...enlisted December 9th or 10th 1941 according to my father and uncle Gilbert himself. He was shot down twice...Once after bombing runs in Germany, and Romania during bombing of the oil fields in 1944...he will again fly, this time B-47s in the early Korea War in 1950
That's really not a fair comparison, fortunately, today's young men aren't in that life or death circumstances. If so, they would prove to be just as brave as the young men of 1942.
I love the repeated appearances of the late Sally Kellerman as a nurse. It's not just that she has one of the greatest voices in the history of movies or television - but her beauty and her warmth. It's also interesting to see her rounder looking, more voluptuous than she'd appear in later roles.
RIP Sally.
I think that you liked her😉. Me too, for the same reasons. Love the scene with Lansing and Kellerman. Vocally operatic.
Just saw the close. Hot lips.
I'm only 65, but I had a good friend who was a radar operator on a B-17 and flew about 40 missions, 15 more than he had too. He was considered an 'old man' back then. He was 25 when he first served on one of these awesome aircraft and lived to be a healthy 95 years old. He told me some awful stories, like during D-Day, a lot of our planes were shot down by our own naval ships, mistaking them for the enemy, even though most were identified with the typical white stripes.
This episode is extremely dramatic and challenging. Tremendous courage against the odds to preserve freedom and defeat evil.
During the peak of daylight bombing, the 8th Airforce suffered a 25% loss rate. A tour of duty was 25 missions which means that at the end of four missions statistically, you were 100% dead or shot out of the air. My uncle Bill was a pilot of a B-24 Liberator and was scheduled to take part in the invasion of Japan. The A-bomb allowed him to come home and raise a family of 5 children.
My step father was a waist gunner in
B-24 9th U.S. Army air corps.
I have a great Uncle that did 25 missions and was awarded a group citation medal of honor (if I am not mistaken) for that accomplishment. These men were all heros.
and got rid of a great many more kids
My Father was a tail gunner in a B-25
The stories he told us kids
He and others
Were very very fortunate to get home
I get a probability of 0.0008 of coming out without getting killed or shot out of the air, virtually impossible to escape unscathed.
Wow! Great story. Such depth and human emotions. And to top it off with one of the best flying sequences - amazing Episode.
Excellent series and this was one of the best episodes.
One of the best television series ever..And a great theme to boot. To those who flew on these suicide missions, America still has a few (very small though) who salute you. We used to fight against evil, now we cower to it...Sad!
Very Few ? That's what the bass turds who think they are controlling U.S. want you to believe, Jim C. Trust me and the history of the U.S.A. ...Oh ! And God. Don't forget who the Founders revered and prayed to for the Blessings We All Enjoy.
Now we cower to it? Now we ARE it.
DB Edwards EXACTLY !! NOW...those SAME Nazis we fought AGAINST are walking AMERICAN streets with Swastikas !! Fucking UNREAL and INSANE !!!
@@terryhawkins8191 this is just ĺearned even though I've seen all these apps odes a million times this has got to be one of the best. In my opinion
Good, honest entertainment and a lot of truth. In my youth, I used to work as an orderly in a VA hospital and talked to a lot of guys from the European theatre who manned the bombers.....they talked of flak so bad you could get out of the aircraft and walk on it.....but, they never spoke of fear.
I remember being a kid of about 4 or 5 and this show being on late enough that I only got to watch it every now and again. Cool old memories. Thanks for posting.
For a General this portrayal is what makes a real Man!
Did any one else notice how many of these actors appeared in TV shows like Star Trek?
The acting community was much smaller then.
More were on "Combat".
This series was exceptional. I was so surprised when I learned many years later that George Mc Govern, who lost in a landslide against Richart Nixon in thr 1972 election on a ticket opposing the Vietnam war had flown 35 missions out of Italy over German controlled territory. He once successfully crash landed his B-24 Liberator when hit by flak over Czechoslavia on to a British controlled island airstrip off Yugoslavia. Mc Govern did not want his military service known in the election as he considered it to be that of a bragart. The so called radical had once been a world war two bomber pilot.
i just read that Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, flew 89 (!!) missions as pilot of a B17. he really WAS Captain Kirk! at least 2 guest stars in this episode were in the pilot of star trek.
Very interesting. Thanks for the info. @@harridan.
My Grandfather Abner Biberman directed this episode! :)
That is so cool!
He did a great job. PS directing Sally Kellerman must have been a tough job.
I always admired his character . Usually a physio.
Your grandfather was quite talented!
He was a Wisconsin boy.
Tom Skeritt...from B-17s in 'Twelve O'Clock High' to F-14s in 'Top Gun.'
Epic.
Remember also how many were needed to put an airplane into the air: mechanical, electrical, hydraulics, fuel/oil, amorer, payload, sheet metal/painting, tire repair/replacement/alignment, communication, and then services such as intelligence report, mission plan, tower control, replacement training, orientation training, equipment maintenance, roadwork, cooking, washing, cleaning, medical, administrative paperwork, warehousing, diversity of vehicles, recreational and church service, military police/security - the list is almost endless and I cannot even get close to mentioning every aspect. I am not sure how many people it took to get a crew into the air on a mission, but I think we should remember that those who helped them into the air and had to wait for their return also served.
Absolutely Correct. I was in a medical unit of 180. 90 were Dr's,RN's,Medics & 90 were admin.
I was an electro/mechanical technician (Engineer). I repaired Missile Systems , RADARS and 20 mm gun systems that had it's own RADAR. Korea was a hard one. Everything has to be Ready. We carried live ammunition. Our track vehicles were loaded. On alert , we had 15 minutes to be out the gate, Plus, every week the 2nd Infantry Division would roll out Artillery to the Field. We supported them. Our readiness was scrutinized daily. I reported daily to the BN XO , our readiness reports. A lot more to the picture, but we were under constant stress. Korea was still a war, zone. Did a couple deployments to the. Middle East as a 1SG and acting Task Force CSM for PATRIOT Missile Battalion. 1SG(Retired). 23 years active duty.
@@jstetzer01 Any politician who designated Korea 1950-53 a non-war should have been sent there for three months along side infantry soldiers.
@@maureenorourke3292 I was there 1982 - 1985. With the 2nd Infantry Division Artillery. We were locked and loaded. Alert platoon rotation every week. Always a high tempo. Every piece of combat equipment worked on daily.
Absolutely!
Robert Lansing was brilliantly cast for his part as General Savage, as he seems like the kind of a guy that could be a real Son Of A Bitch.....loved him in 4D MAN!
+mccjoh1 As you may recall, It was Gregory Peck (as general Savage) in the original 1949 movie, who became Catatonic.
+mccjoh1 - He reminds me of Fred Gwynne. Don't ask me why. Some slight resemblance. Pretty sure Lansing could have pulled off playing Herman Munster , and vise versa.
I saw the 4D-Man. It was outstanding and weird at times...
@@theresadelicot5104 I love that movie too! Glad to see that I'm not the only one!
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I guess you never saw Star Trek tos Glenn Corbett played Zefram Cochrane in the episode " the companion ". Or Robert Lansing as Gary seven in another episode of Star Trek .
More men died than lived in the bomber groups. Life span was very short for these brave men. And they still went up to fight.
Yes,if I wasn't scared S*** L*** after the first mission, I"d be shaking in my boots everyone after.
I thank them for their service.
Never has so much by so many owed to so few. -- Churchill
my father-in-law, flew the Liberators B-24. He was shot down three times . thank God for the under grown!
Not only they were fighting for there country. They were fighting for their families. They were fighting the right to survived . In this game winner takes all.
in this tv series from the start to now I have counted 6 actors that did star trek I love this show as a kid and now that I'm in my 50s I still love it
Hard to remember that because this series was done in the mid '60s many of the veterans who flew these missions would have been watching the series.......joe
1:40 "Slap slap Texas song" LOL!
" I am afraid but I don't want to die afraid" I'd fly with him
Absolutely a great line and even more, something to live by.
This was one of my favs when growing up.
Tom Skerritt, on his second of five appearances in this series
Jefke, keep them coming!
Funny to see Tom Skerrit in a role that he was not an evil creep and not a co-star. This may have been his first role of many in Quinn Martin productions.
"They're all better than we expected."
Peace
I recognized several of the actors in this show from the TV show Combat. They must have been part of the same actors pool working in Hollywood at the time.
I'd like to thank you veterans for your service! It's amazing to me how well loved this show has been!
Smokin' in almost every scene. Cigars, cigarettes, tipperillos? They must have had really bad breath back in those days.
Not unusual. At that time, programs like this were sponsored by two or three cigarette companies. A heavy smoker, Robert Lansing died of lung cancer at the age of 66.
Love this show
glenn corbett played zephram cochran in the star trek episode metamorphosis.
paul pisano They stole the song they play once in a while and several including Shatner played on this show.
He also played buzz on Rt 66
He really did say,"at ease girl lieutenant."
16:46 The Original Hot Lips Houlihan. She was great.
You know, it's a miracle that all of the American servicemen and Englishmen crammed together on that island during WW2 didn't end up killing each other.
They had alot of physical disagreements
Tom Skerritt is in this episode!
yes he was also in a few and in the series "COMBAT"
@@flmasco This and Combat are outstanding WWII series. Seen them all.
Every time doc takes his hat off, expect to see a third eye! (Twilight Zone? Episode?)
General Savage, The Doc and the Adjutant all had roles in TZ
I remembered the episode as soon as I saw your post, but I had to go find it to get the title. Will The Real Martian Please Stand Up |S2 E28 czcams.com/video/kHomWdiXch0/video.html
I can't stop thinking about that even when his hat is on
Every time Doc Kaiser takes his hat off, take a drink.
Me too.
These young men flew dangerous bombing runs on a daily basis, and at the time, the Luftwaffe was the best air force in the world.wow, such bravery for the many who forgot just what these guys did!
My uncle told me the average was generally every 2 to 3 days. Weather was a major day to day determining factor as well as aircraft maintenance concerns. As for todays perspectives on what this generation did . . . I'm afraid just enough of todays teens and young adults are to damn spoiled and clueless.
Yes! The generation tody has no clue and expects a lot for nothing. Of course the"ruling" class does not care atall
I know it was filmed mostly in southern California but they never got the wardrobe right no thermal flight suits 20,000 feet above sea level in northern Europe well below 0 degrees. Most aircrews had to wear electrical heated suits that plugged into the bombers electrical system..
Yeah there's alot of "liberties" taken in this show like that. Prob no women in that Officer's Club most of the time either.
Looks like they are flying at mid-level altitudes. No contrails, O2 masks, and bunny suits!
Bomber Command has it easy.
They assign the target, the altitude, the Group, and the time.
Sadly, they "minimize" the projected casualty rate.
This is bad? They should maximize losses?
Can't make war without death,the two go hand in hand.
Interesting that Tom Skerritt and Sally Kellerman were both in the movie MASH not 6 years later
I lliked robt. Lansing's role better. He seemed like he was playing the part of a combat leader.
@01:40 That "Steve" guy is actor Tom Skerritt (of later "Top Gun" fame (1986)).
Sally Kellerman here as the Nurse had played also in STAR TREK TOS: WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE together with Gary Lockwood as his love interest That way the joke with DRACULA´s BRIDE even becomes deeper ::) 8:30
I can’t imagine how the men of any branch of the military must have felt before going into combat, whether that was by land, sea or air, but knowing that the chances of not coming back from a raid deep inside enemy territory must have been magnified by a huge number, and knowing that someone you just had breakfast with might not return must have been torture, I don’t think that there were any braver men in the allied forces than the USAAF or RAF, and even though the boots faced their enemies almost face to face the uncertainty of where the enemy would come from in the air is another huge hurdle they had to overcome just to be able to function properly, very brave men and boys.
My dad told me his sister married a B24 pilot. He was shot down over France, never found. According to my dad he had a bad crew, and he knew it.
Well said.
Great!
He had the whole General demeiner down pact😊
demeanor
Leila L YES indeed he DID !!!💪👍👍
watchgoose 😂😂
Think about the real men who did this the next time you see an overpaid priviledged athlete sitting and protesting this country., whatever the reason.
those men died so that those overpaid privileged AMERICANS could have that right!
@Carol Young I remember Russia's leader Kruschev in 1960s telling USA that Russia
would not need to go to war with USA because U.S. would change to communism
from within. Barak Hussein got us 1/2 way there.
@Matrox One Couldn't agree more. Our military are the brave unsung hero's.
@Maria Kelly i said NOTHING about or for Trump, lady. I said our TROOPS who have died for freedom paid for people to HAVE these RIGHTS to protest. YOU dont get to choose the rights, we just have them. As for McCain? The idiot child of the master mind behind us involvement in Viet Nam? Read about his ship that he shot the missile off his airplane and almost sunk it. He got shotdown and captured and survived. War hero, not even slightly. Daddy again. I give zero what Trump does to nato, un or anything else.
Tom skerrit before he became a top gun..
--12.6 degrees below 0 at 20,000 feet
Future Star Trek alumni
Glenn Corbin ....... Zefram Cochran
Gary Lockwood .... Gary Mitchell
Sally Kellerman .....Elizabeth Dehner
Robert Lansing .... Gary 7 w/ cat
??? ... Lee Kelso
I can't recall the man's true name but I saw him in an earlier episode
The cats name was ISIS
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Thanks I needed that
Now
Who was the actress ? ? ?
That played the Human part of the 🐈 ISIS
Terri garr
@@davidl3966
Wrong she was the Earth woman
Who played the woman who transformed from the cat ISIS ? ? ?
Was my question
I was born 50 years too late. I would have killed to be a bomber pilot, or co-pilot
Robert Lansing was the best actor to play General Savage; I stopped watching the series when they replaced him with Paul Burke.
Yes, so did I. Robert Lansing was indeed General Savage. Paul Burke was a clown.
Seeing the “girl lieutenant” was Major Margaret Hotlips Houlihan at the start of her Army career
I had no idea that HotLips started her career in WWII !😄
She was still hot in MASH the movie
Star Trek TOS with the white eyes
Tom Skerrit from the first Top Gun ..I'll be damned ...lol
This brings back good memories.Tom Skerritt acted in 2 Combat shows & in Top Gun.
Our teachers had blackboard pointers just like the one Savage is holding in the briefing.
The doc examined the kid in the bed from the wrong side.
It's true in those days they kept people with hepatitis in bed for ages to "rest the liver"
If we're gonna die anyway let's have another smoke.
YES!
Gimme two!
Most the guys I was in Afghanistan with including myself dipped Copenhagen. At the time, I cared less about its affects on my health, all I wanted was the pleasant nicotine buzz. We once had an element caught in an L-shaped ambush and the first thing I did when I heard on the radio to roll to their aid was put a dip in. Minutes later I was behind a wall returning fire and spitting on the ground. I thought what the hell, lead or IEDs will kill me first, I’ll quit when I get back to the states which I did some years later. You would always hit up new guys for a can, and write home for resupply. Another thing I learned, is if you are overseas and have a pack of Marlboro reds, you will always have a friend. Foreign smokers, even if they’re enemy, love Phillip Morris. Tobacco products were worth gold back then, as they are in all wars I’m sure. Even though I’m not a smoker, if I travel overseas I always throw a pack or two of Marboro‘s in my suitcase. They definitely “grease the wheels” and are very welcome gifts and trade items to smokers.
Love Sally Kellerman.
"By 11:30 tomorrow morning, one out of every three men in here will be dead."
Nurse in post op drew blood without gloves on. Those were the days......
Non pressurized air plane uninsulated cabin etc..
after 15 episodes 2nd time around for Glenn Corbett and Sally Kellerman
I want to run this on my local public channel in Nigeria.
What do I need to do?
Contact 20th Century Fox if possible, or 12 OClock High "fan" organizations l isted on line. Best to you.
Some severe editing on this episode, like the so obvious, abrupt, too-soon conclusion to Act IV.
Speaking of abrupt, Glenn Corbett appears unnecessarily cold and brief with Sally Kellerman there at the end. Every other guy on the squad is surely jealous he's got her, a "catch" a true "catch."
Early in the hour when the airman in the club repeatedly abuses the record player I can't believe more men didn't tell him to "cool it" so as to protect one of their few sources of entertainment. He was totally wacko, but the men "stood by him." I WOULD NOT desire to be at 20,000 feet with him and his crazed behavior.
We viewers here are indeed fortunate to see "12 O'Clock High" on CZcams; with good picture and sound. "Thank you "jefke peremans." But oh, it would be so welcome to see network-length prints and not butchered, syndication-length copies.
Somewhere in the bowels of the respective vaults of 20th Century Fox, ABC, UCLA Film and Television Archive and WorldVision's successor they must exist.
Despite saying they're full-length, I'm skeptical of some prolific eBay sellers of "12 O'Clock High" series and season-by-season sets who swear that what they're selling is full length. But when they respond to queries that the running times are 46 - 47 minutes, like here on CZcams, you know they're "full of it."
General Savage Back to SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE THAT CIGARETTE
She can rub my back if he doesn't want it.
They fired Lansing because he was "Too old" for the part.
They hired Paul Burke to replace him.
Paul Burke was two years older than Lansing.
Ain't that a kick in the pants?
Cover story. It was more than that.
I read somewhere they got rid of him because women viewers didnt connect with him. Women viewers watching a war show?
@partymanau I am a female viewer, and I've seen all of these episodes many times over. I love Paul Burke's the best because he's more congenial and he's a great leader-type. I also write fanfiction (and watch) Combat! and The Rat Patrol. My dad was a medic in WW II. he landed on Omaha Beach on D-Day. I love WW II for its own sake, but also to honor his memory. For a shrapnel wound to the head in a Belgian hospital when a bomb exploded near him, he won the Purple Heart. Don't run us ladies down. Many were pilots in WW II. Many were nurses on the front lines. Yes, we're interested in WW II, too. It's also our own lives, our own planet at stake. Read up on contributions made by the 'gentler' sex, and our sacrifices, before you doubt our interest in a global war. 😢
@@denisehorner8448 Well said! 3 cheers for the good ladies!
Sally Kellerman and Tom Skerritt before MASH
I'm pretty sure that there, are plenty of places in the US with weather the same or worse than England.
sally kellerman. she also starred with gary lockwood in star trek where no man has gone before.
Sally Kellerman starred in THE OUTER LIMITS
Libby reslly bugged me in the and the preceiding eppiside....she was so unptofessiondl😏
really, preceding, unprofessional
watchgoose you missed out episode, but what I would really like to know is HOW was she unprofessional ? War blurs the lines between being professional and sympathetic, War is Hell, and any distraction from the horrors and fears they saw and experienced was only natural, even for those who didn’t fly the bombers, fighters, and cargo aircraft, the sailors fighting on and under the sea, or the guys that stormed the beaches did the paratroop drops and went behind the lines, they all had fears and bad foreboding about every single small thing that could and did happen, so being “unprofessional “ was a minor issue.
I always wondered why they are supposedly flying at 20,000+ feet and not always wearing their oxygen masks when flying in many episodes. Must be that artistic Hollywood license.
Hollywood license, exactly, as substantiated in the brilliant, must-have book "The '12 O'Clock High' Logbook." Regular "12 O'Clock High" viewers would grow tired and complain about masks obliterating the faces of their TV heroes for entire (extended) scenes, so you couldn't tell if it was Robert Lansing or Paul Burke -- without recognizing their distinctive voices of course.
While I consider myself a purist, I admit that I'm glad the masks are removed in flight -- taking dramatic license.
Now, the thing about filtered cigarettes. That's a big no-no, as others have pointed out in this thread.
How that slipped through . . .?!
Rich McLeod; I don't know what Air Corp SOP was or is but I do know that humans can function at 20,000 ft. I've climbed at a 5.4 (YDS) route on crappy rock (Ojos Del Salado) to over 22600' while superbly acclimatized, and a class three (YDS) route to over 22800' while not ready due to having to beat the weather. There is no absolute NEED for bottled oxygen at 20,000' but anything to give the men on those planes an edge would have been warranted.
@@db-zc9xv FAA regulations are oxygen (or pressurized cabin with O2 backup) at 10,000 feet for pilots and 12,000 for passengers. Not to in any way discount your climbing experiences (I'm rather in awe of them) but you don't have a lot of time to get acclimatized climbing at 500 feet per minute.
Actually, FAA regulations require pilots to use oxygen at altitudes of 12,500' or above and for oxygen to be provided for passengers at 15,000 or above (use of oxygen by passengers is not required). Of course, that does not apply to pressurized aircraft, for which stand by oxygen must be available for emergency use. Hypoxia is no joke when flying an airplane, and can be deadly.
@@scvandy3129 Nicely answered. Now I hope that "everybody" reads this!
"Hot Lips, you incredible nincompoop."
Kellerman was too sexy for any show.
Pretty sure that nurse at 16:46 was Sally Kellerman.
She was. She played "hot lips" holuahan in the movie m*a*s*h.
@@billhuber2964 She was a pretty lady. Good thing her beauty was preserved for posterity.
Viper and Hot Lips
Tom Skerrit would be in Up In Smoke 1978
. . . by 11 a.m. tomorrow, three of these men, will be dead ! Quite a profond statement . . . spoken as an Air Force MAC administrator and Mass ARNG 11B - infantryman. 🇺🇸
Is this what major. Houlihan did in ww2?
These had a crappy job to do . Sending men out to die and remain a stoic face. I couldn't do it.
I have noticed that they are using filtered cigarettes. Non existent during this war and Korea. 1953...The Marlboro was born.
filters came about in 1935 and their use began increasing slightly in 1950.
True.HOWEVER it was only so women can smoke. The filter was made of cork to be used in a cigarette holder. It was modified for mass use. Hence Marlboro!
@@GIOVANNI1955C It was made of cork to prevent tobacco flakes from getting on the smoker's tongue.