The Weirdest Planet Got Weirder - Haumea Has Rings
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Back in January the planet Haumea passed in front of a star, and a spanish team were observing, using the occulation timings to measure the size and shape of this distant body. And in the process discovered a ring system around this already strange and mysterious body.
www.nature.com/nature/journal/...
Includes video produced by the team
• A ring around Haumea
And models from SpaceEngine spaceengine.org/ - Hry
Haumea, the easteregg of the solarsystem.
But more oval than an actual egg.
Yeah
Then eat the rocks and break ur teeth and get candy
@@Neutronic01 easteroval?
Sounds like a good place to set up an interplanetary tech support service.
“Good evening, you are talking to Glork. Haumea help you?”
Lawrence D’Oliveiro deserves more likes
this is gold
Glork
So, someone put a ring on the Hawaiian fertility goddess? Lucky man whoever that was.
nice.
here, have a reply
You can have one too Mr. Robotech/Macross picture dude.
*+OtakuMage*
Depends on how fertile the goddess is. Won't someone think of the children?
the Kuiper belt is probably littered with them - just got to what out for the runaways heading out way
im scott safe, fly manley.
It's sound like an airline announcement
Flat earthers almost have somewhere to live where they are right
Well, you need to convince them to switch to flat Haumea-ism first.
They will say it is a perfect sphere.
I want to go to Ankmorpork
What a waste of celestial bodies
Michcode
😂
but the thing everyone wants to know, will it be in KSP?
I hope it will be in KSP because that will give us a chalange to get there!
that would actually be awesome. Since it would be quite the unique challenge overcome. Not sure if its even possible to land on it .
Is it part of RSS Extended?
Stefan Klass I think so
RMJ1984 i know i can get there, the problem is landing in 1 piece
Looks like a Giant Space Potato. SpaceX should plan a trip there, but make sure to bring the butter and sour cream. Maybe even some bacon bits. I'm sorry, it's lunch time here and seeing this is making me hungry. LoL
Wolverine Prime Mark Whatneys moat hated belt object i guess then
The Irish suddenly have an overwhelming national desire to form a space colony.
cloudcleaver23 racist
Science is delicious.
How Kerbal of you to say that
Thinking back to a video you made almost a year ago, the ring must exist within Haumea's the Roche limit. Maybe it only exists because of the minor-planet's high spin rate. Is it possible that, due to it's egg shape, the planet's two lobes are stretched to the height it's haumeostationary orbit? This would make it so certain objects might roll uphill and then, upon reaching the apex of one of the lobes, be launched into orbit to join the ring. I dunno, maybe?
So could the difference in the surface gravity between standing at the pole and standing at the equator be great enough to feel it? Having the gravity degrade while "walking" away from the pole would be very interesting....
Looks like Haumea was just a normal planet but a very fast asteroid well placed hit the planet's ecuador and make it spin like an interstellar meme.
I literally just opened this article in Nature and now I see this video. I'm guessing Scott's version will be easier to digest.
I'm impressed at how 'hot off the press' these videos are
Every other planet: *Is a sphere*
Haumea: *E G G E*
It's a ring of salt; if we cross it the ancient evil will be unleashed...
lol
You mean we can release the kraken in the actual solar system? *Danny 2462's salt-crossing-device is invented*
The ring is actually a cage enclosure made of salt which stops the inhabitants of CS:GO leaking out into society.
I love videos like this! Thank you Scott.
Hello, Haumea help you?
Don't know why, but I lol'd
Flat earth? Pfff, old news. Egg Earth is the new theory. 8)
Yes I'm kidding.
Tuiat well actually earth’s rotation does stretch it at the equator.
Raptor shaped Earth.
@JimmyStiffFingers
someone give this man a nobel prize
Tuiat but what if the earth is round but overnight we were all killed but our minds inserted into a computer program modelling the real universe? How would we know if we're programmed to accept stuff as real? Or have I seen "The Matrix" too many times?🤔
because it's not "overnight" for everyone at the same time
Would love to see objects like this in kerbal. Although, flat poles might be hard for the engine
Man, landing on a planet like this in KSP would be a trip
"would be a trip" Probably a few hundred AU's, right? :-)
I dig your music choices!.
Cool video, thanks!! :)
Great discovery!
It's an ancient alien spaceship I tell you!
no its an ancient italian spaceship
Shlomo Sheikchilli makes sense, we just need to find the white and green spots to go with the red spot.
Hello Dave.... Please, come back to the ship Dave. I promise I will open the pod bay doors Dave.
shhhh...
Stop this discussion thread immediately, it’s getting far too silly.
one of my first thoughts looking at this, was wether or not the accelerated distance of other bodies movng away from us affected the results of what shape was seen for this particular planet.
but then I thought that if that was true we would be getting more results for "egg shaped" planets
I dare them to land a probe on it. Dear Mr Scott Manley , how difficult would it be to land a probe on an object spinning that fast? Can you science us a bit in a short video about that? Thanks for all your good videos by the way :)
if you landed at the spot that would be the middle or center point of the spin - like a spinning disc
Would love to see a mission to fly by or even land on Haumea.
Space Skittle
lol
How did you come up with this??? Fucking genius!!!
Is this object big enough to qualify as a dwarf planet, or is it just a standard KBO?
> Hydrostatically equilibrious shape
> Orbits the sun
Yep, it's a dwarf planet.
What does "hydrostatically equilibrious shape" mean? I mean, yeah, it means "the shape is caused by the body being in hydrostatic equilibrium," but every body's shape is a tug-of-war between gravity (leading to its shape being more controlled by hydrostatic equilibrium) and various other internal forces (leading to its shape NOT being controlled that way). To my knowledge, there isn't a firm point where an object stops being mostly influenced by miscellaneous forces and starts being mostly influenced by gravity, and there are bodies distributed at all levels of hydrostatic "round-ness". Where do you draw the line?
Some would say haumea is not a dwarf planet, some would say it is. but no seriously it is already qualified as adwarf planet.
Timothy McLean I'm pretty sure all he meant was that it is smooth and round, unlike Saturn's moon Pan for example. He just said it in an overly scholastic way. Reminds me of a presentation I went to on why homo sapiens beat out Neanderthals, and a guy on the panel made some comment about our superior "aquatic processing abilities." The moderator called him out and was like, "By 'aquatic processing' you mean fishing, right?" The professor's face got all red and replied, "Yes, I meant fishing." 😂
KamaKaji To be fair, "aquatic processing" includes things other than fishing. To be critical, _Homo sapiens neanderthalis_ is still _Homo sapiens_ (depending on how you shoehorn evolutionary transitions into Linnaean boxes).
you had me at tri-axial ellipsoid😂😂
The wonders of the Universe (and even our own solar system) never ceases to amaze.
really interesting!
duh its obviously a Mass relay
Damn Reapers trying to distract us with Charon, when the real prize is in the next orbit over
staberas I wouldn't be suprised if it was a mass relay I have my theories that if we do get humans on Mars the mass effect theory will become a reality I sound really nerdy
What would gravity be on that planet? Would that fast a rotation lower the apparent gravity at the equator? How much more would i weigh at the poles compared to the equator?
Monk Drunkey Either way I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't weigh much.
My guess is at that rate, given its low mass, you would either have to lay down at the poles & get vertigo, or float off the equator (and never land again...)
🎼🎶🎤"Ground Control to Major Tom..."
Monk Drunkey anything finding itself on haumea would weigh the same as a potato
If landed on and you tunnled into it, would it be spinning fast enough to give gravity like a scifi spinning ring in a ship?
Nice vid Scott, even that it's not about KSP ;) :D It's seem a planet to me, even that is smaller that Pluto, it even have moons, I think the astronomers must change this classification, but, I'm not a astronomer so.. They should know what they doing, probably!! Undoubtely it's very wierd spacial body, it's seem that he stretched like a egg (in upper view) and stoped in that shape, I can't imagine how powerfull forces shaped that bizarre body! Thanks for this vid and hugs! :)
What software are you using to do thes nice graphics ? Are they at all from you ?
Cool. Space stuff.
scott, what astronomy software are you using for the graphics in this video?
Scott Manley, Which simulation did you used in this video?
Why do I hear the phrase "evolve over time" so often in english language? Evolve means "change over time", right?
Why would something change over time squared?
Isn't all change referenced to time? So, didn't you do the same "error" by saying "change over time"
@@fewwiggle change can be instant. It implies a time reference, but not a duration.
The big red spot is likely from whatever big object impacted it long ago, imparting so much angular momentum to Haumea, with the rest of the dust and ejecta from the impact forming the ring.
"Billions and billions of years"... okay so in reality around 150,000 to 300,000 years ago.
For those asking, yes, Pluto is and always has been a planet. Just remember, the guy who tried to prove it was not a planet worships a dead guy who firmly believed in embryonic recapitulation. I guess it's good neither was born prematurely, otherwise they would have popped out of the womb as a monkey or a dog!
Very cool stuff, Scott! It's nice to see more odd little planets being recognized, and would be great to see a probe sent to study it. :)
music? this sounds really nice. is it just the soundtrack of spaceengine?
Scott
4 hours was the rotation of Rama spacecraft
What program are you using? Or is it a website?
makes sense, its fast rotation could be due to a past impact with a foreign object that knocked some debris loose in the axis of its rotation.
I thought it was chariklo in the thumbnail lol
Hauema, this should be a test destination for Break through Star Shot, if it ever gets off the drawing board.
That's pretty crazy..I wonder if impacts on the surface are any different.. From the actual impact of meteors hitting it and 'skipping' off the surface.. or long, wide creators?
Hurry up with Warp Drive, already! We've got places to be and planets to see! :)
Hey Scott i have an idea for a future video. Maybe you could explain why we don't launch more rockets from aeroplanes? It makes sense to me, skip the densest part of the atmosphere and give it a bit of speed bonus and can be a lot smaller and cheaper?
What program do you use
Do you use the beta of the new SE version?
Hey Scott ... when you mention the rotation periods, are you referencing Earth days?
Ye, he is i think
Holy hell! What even lays an egg that big?!? O.O
I wonder if the shape is indeed because of the speed/rotation and not just a coincidence. Also, that red color for some reason I find fascinating. Is it some chemical reaction, mineral, something else?
Enough is enough, we need to develop faster than light speed (or whatever) ASAP. I don't want excuses that it can't be done. I want solutions now! :)
Thank you for sharing this, great video.
So could it have formed as an early binary upon which tidal forces broke up the original secondary. If it as due to inward motion, it could have spun up Haumea as well.
The odd shape could potentially be explained by tidal and gravitational gradient issues during this proposed binary formation. Furthermore the ring may only be a remnant, with the majority of the original secondary having fallen inward along the equatorial belt.
That's the best I got.
What simulator are you using?
I have a question for Mr. Manley. Do you think that more focus should be on researching technology instead of doing space missions for science? I am just saying that it could be more cost effective to research new capabilities before you put them in practice. Do we need missions as intensive?
its the egg of a space dragon, and we're going to be its first meal.
I wonder it any sort of "grand tour" of Kuiper belt objects is possible any time soon (ala Voyager 2 style)?
And here I saw the thumbnail and thought it was about planet earth !
Creator of the video: he called haumea a planet but its a dwarf planet
Haumea: yay thanks
I sure wish Scott would get his volume mixing under control...wildly different volumes video to video. Nevermind the music volume.
thank you , karl sagan would be proud of you mate, pity about seti though
So the Spanish stole somebody else's find?
Read the book by Mike Brown: "How I Killed Pluto and Why It Had I Coming" for the whole story of the incident and the whole story about these steller bodies.
Nobody expects the Spanish Astronomical Society!
How was that 5 to 7 orbital resonance diagram created? What program?
Skalnaté pleso observatory from Slovakia. I am glad we helped with our telescope.
Dwarf planets are planets too!
Planet X probably doesn’t exist, although calling it Planet X is much appreciated because the name Planet Nine is obnoxious. Haumea is one of the coolest planets in our solar system!
Great video! 👍🏻
What was the name of the background song in this video?
so in a way haumea is flat
Internet Dweller but not as flat as the earth
We should send flat-earthers there
In the same way a rugby ball is flat, sure.
Yes, but she has a nice personality.
Internet Dweller Of course. All the planets are flat. And hollow. And inhabited by lizard people. Have you seen my tinfoil hat?
Hello Scott!
I'd like a video on how rings form, if it is known. Surely it should be easy to simulate?
What is that 3d map thing he is using?
Tbh, this is one of my favourite celestial bodies. Certainly in the Sol system!
Would dropping it into a bottle of diet coke make a fountain of diet coke?
If you had a bottle of diet coke big enough, it would make a fountain.
I am suprised by Your estimation of Haumeas size. It would contradict the values of the ellipsoid graphic and the volume values, I found in Wikipedia:Haumea volumen ≈3.5×109 km3
Jupiter volumen: 1.4313×1015 km3 (1,321 Earths) (Wikipedia)My calculator tells me, that this gives Haumea a 408.942,8571428571th of the *size of Jupiter. That would mean, that You determined Haumea size ~ 100000 times larger! How come?* I am aware that the value for Haumea is given as an approximation. But given that the deviation, would extend to 5 decimal points, that wouldn't change much..PS: Please make another Kerbal session with Amy! That was really wonderful! Keep up the good work!
1:57 Mike Brown, legendary Pluto-slayer!
What a fascinating system. Makes me wonder if there are any bodies out there that spin so fast they become a torus. Do you know of any?
+BrianJ1962 no because a torus isn’t stable, it’ll break into several bodies.
Idea for a new video: Would the Halo Ark actually be theoretically possible to be built in space? What would need to change in order for it to be plausible? I cant find any videos on this subject so it might be something interesting to think about (Plus Halo is an awesome game).
GrubixHD A space elevator would be a huge step forward in becoming a space-faring race. Shuttling cargo equipment and and personnel between the orbital station at the top, and a International receiving and shipping hub below. Airports trains freeways. Maybe there can be a landing deck about a third of the way up people can land and then ride the elevator to the top. Great for business in a hurry.
It's the perfect shape to skim/skip across a very large body of water.
So is this what inspired "Inaccessible" from the very old planet factory mod?
Triaxial elliptoid. Awesome
what is the Gravity on the surface since it spins so fast?
That's what I like to see - 1,000 likes - No dislikes..... :)
Scott, you called it a planet at the end. Does that mean Pluto is a planet once again now? ;)
maybe Haumea's spin was ripping itself apart but now it slowed down enough to be stable enough?
how do you get the 0.9.8.1 space engine version man
It looks like a Mentos, the rings are probably from some alien spilling his coke on it.
Whoa Haumea!
136108 Haumea is so weird! It's shaped as an egg due to 3.9 hour long rotation about its axis, has a thin ice coating, AND iw actually the only non-gas object to have rings! What the...
What about the Kuiper Belt object, 120347 Salacia and its moon, Actaea?
Lol, you may be thinking of Haumea backwards. What has great rotational speed, flattened spherical shape, and rings? Scientists likely have got this already, but that is indicative of a _very_ recent impact. I'd say in the last million years or so.
Prediction: The ring is impact debris from a large impact that imparted the large angular momentum to the object.
It would make sense that a fast spinning object has a ring, I mean it's roatating that fast, dust would have a hard time setting on the surface
It would be really cool to visit this in elite dangerous
Hmm, almost a disc. Lets send all the flat earthers there!
Why is it an triaxial spheroid? an oblate spheroid I can understand due to the rotation, what am I missing?
Personally, I like that Pluto is named after a cartoon dog and not a fertility goddess. ;)
Planet X definitely exists, where else would shaving cream come from if it didn’t?
Could the elliptical shape be caused by the force of its orbit being extremely strong while it was being formed?