A Vegan's Thoughts on Breed Bans
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- Dog attacks appear to be on the rise in the UK, and many are blaming one breed in particular: the American Bully XL. These dogs have been involved in many of the attacks over the last couple of years, and have killed at least 8 people.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, the breed has now been banned in England and Wales. But is this the right response? Should this breed (or any dog breeds) be banned?
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0:00 Intro
2:17 All breed are equally aggressive?
5:15 It's the owner, not the breed?
7:47 Breed bans are ineffective and cruel?
10:01 The science on breed-specific legislation
12:24 Conclusion
14:59 Outro
16:53 pet sitting experiences
#endbsl #americanbully #dangerousdogbreeds
A muzzle? 🤔 We can not even get dog owners to put them on a leash with children playing outside. "Oh they won't bite you..."
@tilasole3252
lol
There is a very charming veterinarian based in Vancouver BC who has a CZcams channel. On one of his videos he said that he can always tell if a dog is going to bite him because the owner will say, "Oh, he never bites."
@@MdoubleHB.xdogs are not carnivores
@@MdoubleHB.x I'm not vegan
@@MdoubleHB.x yes, idiots claim each time someone consumes animal products, they shorten their life span by a percentage. So basically we would not have any meat eaters over the age of 25. And yet they live well into their 80's, 90's and even to 100.
@@MdoubleHB.x you said this before
This video is probably the most nuanced discussion I've ever heard on this topic and I'm so here for it
As someone who works in the veterinary industry, there is definitely a genetic component to behavior. It is not all in how you train the dogs, nature sometimes overtakes nurture. Dog aggression/reactivity is literally in the breed standard for some bully breeds, as well as incredibly high prey drive for the APBT. Bully breeds also tend to be the most backyard bred, so piss-poor genetics definitely aren't helping the situation. It's why I'm a fan of adopt or shop RESPONSIBLY - the majority of the general public are not equipped to handle a BYB bully breed with behavioral problems due to genetics and living in a shelter environment, as well as the unknown background. It's not just bully breeds though, some of the sketchiest dog breeds I've worked with include Shepherds and doodles (not truly a breed, just making a point), also due to the vast amount of backyard breeding. People (especially the ASPCA and PETA) need to stop pretending that there isn't a STRONG genetic component to aggression/reactivity/etc. - it's so incredibly dangerous. Like Swayze said, people need to research (properly, Facebook and what your cousin's brother's friend said don't count) and be educated on what their breeds expected behaviors are, and be prepared to mitigate/redirect unwanted behaviors.
Maybe it's not so much the breed but the people that end up acquiring them.
Pit bulls were bred to fight other dogs, not attack humans. Actually dogs like German shepherds would probably have the highest tendency for human aggression if breed intention was the main factor.
@@agees924 How do you manipulate genetics to get a specific behavior?
@@yaash4123breeding…
@@yaash4123 they bred with other dogs with specific behaviors'.
Man, I'm checking all the statistical anomaly boxes. I got attacked by a dog, in the face, and ended up in the hospital for surgery.
Let's get a dog from a breed called "bully". I see no unforseen consequences...
no. dogs should be cracks down on as a whole and breeders should be stopped. there are to omany dogs adn thus too many people with no ability, who have dogs. this breed happens to be one who will defend itself and is big enough to do so. all animals are animals and years of domestication doesnt make it so anyone can just have an animal in there house and its gonna be fine.
Stop denying breed behavioral genetics:
- All heelers heel
- Italian water dogs are natural swimmers
- Huskies like to run
- Pointer dogs can point without being trained.
But somehow, with fighting dogs, where they die if they don't win the fight, it's all how you raise them. They are docile most of the time, but bully breeds are like loaded guns. They all have that switch.
i appreciate this video. my poor beautiful gentle mixed breed english setter something or other was attacked by two loose pitbulls on one of our walks. She was severely injured and the female wouldn't let go until brave neighbors got involved. she's my hero because she took all the attack. She's 13 now and still just as wonderful and gentle. even tho the dog owners said their dogs had never attacked and were wonderful, they were housed in a fenced area outside and the female had clearly been breeding and had scarring. I feel potential owners should be thoroughly vetted and educated for ownership, JMO
I think banning all breeding is the ideal, but idk seeing that video of Ian Price being essentially disembowled by two Bully XL's, and many Bully XL deaths happening to people that reportedly were responsible owners or experienced dog rescue workers...these dogs did not ask to exist, but they are clealry not fit for domestic ownership. Banning can and should be the short term fix for this particular type of dog, but more restrictions on breeding are needed.
Bully XL rescues have been begging for a breeding ban for decades. Instead they allow breeding them round them up and unalive them. There is no specific component that makes them more likely to maul someone; mastiffs and cane corsos and large breeds have similar outcomes. But the ratio is minuscule
Something else I find worrying is the amount of people who treat their pets like children. It's not your child. It's an animal that you love very much, yes, but it's still an animal and it still has sharp teeth and does not have the same temperament as a human. People blurring the lines and being "dog parents" I think really brings people's guards down and warps their expectations of what owning and being responsible for a dog really means.
I hear you. Our cat is our friend, a very very close friend indeed... but certainly not our child. I respect her like an adult... I mean, she's been a mom of a bunch of lovely kittens :D
@MdoubleHB.x wait, so you think all carnivores should not exist? So you, as a vegan, think tons and tons of species of animals should just die? What??
This is the craziest take I have heard in a long time, it is people like you who scare others away from veganism.
I truly think that's to do with a lot of the increase in bites. It used to be people would keep their dogs outside, they'd sleep in a doghouse. But nowadays people let their dog sleep in their own bed.
When we cross a powerful Molosser type breed with the neurotic energy of a Terrier breed, what do we expect to happen? I love pitties and XL bullies, but breeding and owning them needs to be regulated. Thoughtless back yard breeding and dog owners who fail to train and improve (or even just acknowledge) agitation thresholds need to be stopped. They can be amazing dogs in the right hands, and at the end of the day they are not to blame. Whether by genetics or abuse, we caused this. We set them up for failure.
I don't agree with people that say "it's all how you raise them". I've adopted two pitbulls in the last 20 years and they have been sweet and amazing dogs but I know that it's not always the case. Unfortunately, due to bad breeding practices it is a breed that can yield aggressive dogs. My dogs have never bitten anyone nor do I think they ever will but when I'm approached by someone asking if they bite I always respond with, "not yet but they do have teeth so...."
My dog and I were attacked by a pit bull while we were running. My dog was leashed. The pitbull was not. Eventually, I was worried that my dog was going to be mauled to death by the pitbull, so I dropped the leash and let him run off because it seemed like his best chance of surviving.
I noticed that every time I called my dog’s name, he would stop engaging with the other dog and look to me, or attempt to run back to me. The other dog would not respond to its name once he had hold of my dog. The pitbull was completely unwilling or unable to let go of him when he had hold of my dog. I think this is what sets pitbull attacks apart from attacks by other dogs. Most other dogs will respond to commands when they are in a tussle. Pitbulls almost go blind with rage.
It took two adults to remove the pitbull, who weighed less than 70lbs, from my dog. Thankfully, after an emergency vet stay, my dog made a full physical recovery. However, he has always been very cautious and fearful around other dogs since then. I have been as well.
This dog has also killed two cats that belonged to the same owner. He is ticking time bomb, like many other pitbulls.
Did you step in or leave your dog to fend for himself? I see a loose dog even looking at my dog and I and I’m already between them and ready to yell and engage if I have to. My dog is never going to be the one to deal with the problem.
My dog was attacked from behind. We did not see or hear the pitbull until it was 2-3 strides behind us. Of course I attempted to intervene, but I was knocked flat on my back in the tussle to the point where the wind was knocked out of me, and there was only so much I could do by myself to separate the dogs.
@@D0B3RW0M4N
You are delusional. Stop smoking weed and get a job.
I owned two Yorkie Poos one became very aggressive to certain people she would not respond to her name or let go once she had someone or something locked in her mouth. We found out she had been a litter of puppies that was inbreed that is such a horrible situation these breeders do that and don't tell the person buying them.
Our vet said it causes mental issues just like humans. I understand that people are scared of them but any animal can be dangerous.
In our area we have more attacks and people killed in their homes or walking in a park by humans in the last few years it has gotten so bad people are scared of everyone and everything and yes many have got guard dogs and has spent hundreds or thousands getting them trained to be exactly like that guard dogs . I'm sorry that happened to you and your dog I understand your fear but it's not all dogs in one breed just like all humans aren't like the ones robbing attacking and killing other humans somethings are just bad they are mentally disadvantaged . Everything is scary anymore but the more we kill and destroy things the worse it will be. Please don't think I'm attacking you or mocking your fear I just wanted to comment respectfully about it.
@@CorrineJones-kd9ph Ask for a Rambo knife or big heavy walking stick for Christmas!! These help solve the attacking-loose-pitbull problems well:)
Seems to be a trend here in the uk at the moment to walk around with your dog off the lead. Its crazy how common it is.
A family member of mine was k*lled by a pitbull in 2016. I'm Canadian. I'm therefore very biased on this topic, but I really appreciate your nuanced view❤
Edit: she was in her backyard, the dog was her neighbour's and digged a whole under her fence and simply attacked her with no reason💔
That's horrific. I'm so sorry.
I spent thirty years training and showing dogs. You are so on spot with your message. Some breeds just are not for the average family. Pit bulls are a serious threat in my town. Pack mentality is real. Banning aggressive breeds is what we need to do to protect society.
You must not have really watched her video
I’m so glad you’re talking about this. It is irresponsible to ignore breed dispositions. I don’t understand why people accept that collies need to herd… but bully breeds can’t be genetically more prone to dog/animal/people aggression. Not understanding and taking breed characteristics into account when choosing, owning, training, and handling a dog is irresponsible.
As someone who falls in the category of a person who was attacked, hospitalized, and required surgery, by a bully breed, bans aren’t the answer. Responsible neutering and spaying and banning puppy mills and back yard breeders is what will be effective.
@@MdoubleHB.x holy shit you're still here? Get a job.
the ban accomplishes those things
I wish there were more people like yourself that would speak out regarding the issue. You are absolutely right in what the problems are. Nothing to do with breed. Banning will only lead to another breed being used by these irresponsible humans.
I wish there were more people like yourself that would speak out regarding the issue. You are absolutely right in what the problems are. Nothing to do with breed. Banning will only lead to another breed being used by these irresponsible humans.
I wish there were more people like yourself that would speak out regarding the issue. You are absolutely right in what the problems are. Nothing to do with breed. Banning will only lead to another breed being used by these irresponsible humans.
Thank you for this video. It's hard to have a reasonable conversation about this topic with others.
as a responsible owner with a powerful dog (belgian shepherd malinois) we keep her on a lead that isn't those crappy retractable/flexi leads, and her lead clips onto her harness on the front of her and on the top of her back
and yet what annoys me the most is when we take her for walks like a responsible owner should do, we encounter so many off lead dogs it's insane
not only is my dog powerful but she's unpredictable when it comes to other dogs, I think my dog has low patience/tolerance for ill-mannered hyper dogs (e.g spaniels/collies) which is what most of the dogs that are off lead and the owners haven't trained any re-call for and when we tell them to grab their dog, their response is "it's ok my dog is friendly" -_-
it may also surprise/shock you that we don't put a muzzle on my dog when we go out in public
cos we believe it's the safest thing for her so she's able to defend herself if she does get attacked by another dog and we happen to let go of her lead for some reason (letting go of her lead is very unlikely because it's wrapped around our hand and only gets tighter around our hand if she pulls)
I've grown up with dogs since I was quite young and my parent has always been responsible enough to remind me with all seriousness that dogs are still animals and not to trust them 100%, over the years and since becoming an adult I've come to learn the signs/body language of an uncomfortable dog and not to put my face near a dog I don't fully trust (the only dog I'll put my face/head quite close to is my current dog), I respect a dog's space, I know not to squeeze a dog in a bear hug and annoy a dog by poking it or smth like so many young children do
TDLR: all dogs should be by law kept on leads in public or be kept a safe distance away from the people who visit who are from outside the household the dog lives with, also people should respect a dog's space?? dogs aren't a freaking pull toy and learn some basic dog body language/behaviour (especially parents)
This video was very timely for us. I’m in the UK and not a fan of banning any breed of dog (or many things actually). However, my daughter has recently started her dog grooming business and we’ve discussed this very thing. She specialises in taking care of dogs who hate being groomed or are very nervous etc. She has decided that she won’t accept Pit bulls now because of the ban. Interestingly she recently had a pit bull who needed his claws trimmed. My daughter was fine with it but the owner was so nervous and struggled to hold the dog and in turn made the dog nervous and jumpy. Ultimately they abandoned the whole thing. It does seem that there are even owners out there who are nervous of their own dogs and what they could do.
Pit bulls are illegal in the UK and have been for over 20 years, so why on earth are there pit bulls coming into her business?
The other day I was hiking, I was passing a family group with two younger women, one heavily pregnant the other carrying a tiny baby in a front carrier, ahead of them a very old woman, and then a younger man with a toddler on his shoulders. As I passed the two women I saw a young man with a German shepherd struggling to get the dog to sit off to the side to let us pass. The dog was on a regular leash attached to a collar, no harness, no muzzle.
The elderly woman stopped suddenly as I walked around her. I figured she was waiting for the two younger women. The man carrying the toddler kept walking, he turned as I passed him. I heard him saying, "No Nana, no no-- Nana!" I turned back too to see the dog lunging and snapping, it's owner practically doing a back bend trying to pull the dog away as the elderly woman was walking towards the dog smiling with her hands out, clearly unaware of the reality of the situation. Some trail runner came up and got between the elderly woman and dog. (He told the dog owner off)
I'd never seen such an out of control dog on any trail before. If the trail runner hadn't been there-- I don't even want to think about it. I wish I had been more situationally aware as I passed the elderly woman. None of the others in that family group could have helped if the dog had got ahold of her -- and she was walking towards it. 🫣
Nana definitely wasn't helping by approaching the dog. But yeah, the guy needs to be able to control the dog better.
Great video. Another part of the controversy over this ban, is that the XL Bully isn't actually a Breed, it's a Type. There's a set of definitions laid out by the government that determines whether your dog is an XL Bully, based on measurements and look. So lots of dogs might wrongfully be classified as such.
Yeah, but it's a type developed using only previously banned breeds. The concept of breeds can be a little fuzzy regardless, because they're determined by breed clubs rather than scientific classification, and this is not the first time something was defined by measurements with trying to name a bully breed as a new breed, and usually it's done to get around a breed ban. For example, the only reason why 'American Staffordshire Terrier' is a separate breed from 'American Pit Bull Terrier' is that the AKC didn't want their registry used to help people develop fighting lines so banned the 'American Pit Bull Terrier'.
Decades later, a dog fighter decided to try again and declared that any pit with specific measurements was a new breed called the 'American Staffordshire Terrier', even though all his dogs were already registered with the UKC (which did allow the American Pit Bull Terrier) as American Pit Bull Terriers. This was allowed, and to this day there are dogs registered as both American Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers.
This is similar to what was done with the XL Bully, so whether you agree with the ban or not, if you develop a 'new dog breed' (or type or whatever) using dogs you know are banned, you shouldn't be surprised if the law is amended to cover this, nor turn around and argue that it's not an actual breed so it can't be banned...which then leaves you to check what breeds it's made up of, and then you see it's all banned breeds.
@@hannahl7450 Does it? The description really emphasises the musculature as well as the size and broadness of the dog. The updated official definition of an XL Bully dog is actually very detailed in it's description for each body part.
@@PixieoftheWood The problem with the XL bully ban in the UK is that the UK can't successfully ban *any* bully breeds while allowing staffordshire bull terriers to be totally, 100% legal and unrestricted imo.
Seriously, these dogs have no more restrictions placed on them than labs do, yet they're closely related to all of the other bully breeds they're trying to ban/restrict, resemble them physically and behaviorally, and are probably incorporated into the bloodlines of American bullies, XL bullies .etc. to some extent since these dogs are mega mutts containing whatever gets the breeder the "look" they're after.
Another aspect to bans not working, that nobody wants to take into account, is that law enforcement may not be willing to.. enforce the ban. I see this in Canada. Lots of pit bulls, lots of pit bull breeding. Nobody wants to kill their neighbor's friendly bully breed by reporting it, shelters don't want to euthanize these dogs, vets don't want to report them or refuse to treat them.
The result? They may as well not be banned at all. I have a pit bull, in a place where I shouldn't legally be able to have a pit bull, and everyday I take my pit bull hiking or on walks and see even more pit bulls. Even got my dog from someone boldly advertising their free pit bull puppies on local classifieds.. as free pit bull puppies.
Nobody is willing to do anything unless a dog has actually bitten somebody.
@@lana2933 Staffies are not vicious dogs and their parentage is usually well documented if they're KC registered. I have had many Staffies through my life and only one has ever deliberately bitten a human. He punched me first so to the minds of everyone who looked at the case it was simply a good dog protecting their human. My dog was never out of control, when told she came and stood in front of me.
There is no evidence that well trained Staffies are any more likely to attack humans than any other breed. They suffer from being perceived as tough and therefore acquired by the wrong people to use as a status symbol. When raised well in a family environment, they aren't aggressive. If they were inherently aggressive, I would have more than one tale in a quarter of a century where one of these dogs has bitten someone deliberately. My dogs have been around kids, other animals, elderly people etc and never been aggressive. One of my dogs decided his job was to guard the aga so my toddler brother didn't touch it. He pushed him over very gently so he fell on his padded bum when he wandered a bit too near. He was a big dog, but this was clearly calculated to be so gentle it couldn't hurt the child. He wasn't trained to do this specifically.
His mum (who we also had) raised the alarm when my sister had an asthma attack whilst upstairs in her cot. She wasn't one for barking, but that day she ran downstairs barking her head off and practically shoving mum up to my sister. It may well have saved her life.
If you have strong, conclusive evidence that well raised staffies specifically are more dangerous than average, let's hear it.
@@lana2933 I definitely think they need to add staffordshire bull terriers to any BSL that includes bully breeds and it honestly baffles me that they wouldn't, since as you say, they're closely related to the other bully breeds and are the same physically and behaviorally. It's bizarre to me that they decided to make an exception.
One thing I think might be more effective is just mandatory spay/neuter of all pit type dogs, where reporting won't end in a dog being euthanized, but just the owners getting a notice that they have a certain amount of time to spay/neuter their pit or they'd get a fine. After racking up a certain amount of money in fines, the dog could just be confiscated temporarily to spay/neuter, then be returned. Maybe any money from the fines would fund law enforcement, to give law enforcement motivation to enforce the ban.
While people might still not necessarily report it, I think they'd be more willing to do so if the consequences wouldn't end in killing the dog, and over time the number of pits would decrease if people were forced to spay or neuter them. I definitely see your point, though, because even as someone who dislikes the breed, I wouldn't feel comfortable reporting and getting a dog killed unless I knew it to be aggressive.
It baffles me why so many more people breed pit bulls than any other breed of dog, though. It's like they go 'What breed of dog should I try to make more of...I know! The one shelters can't even *give* away!'
I'm personally neutral on the ban but can see the reasoning behind it. I also think your thoughts on the breeding of thorough bred dogs should be illegal if we are considering the dogs priority is very interesting
We've recently banned some dogs in my state in Australia. The 4 dogs that England and Wales have banned, are the 4 we're banning.
I'm ok with it.
Do I blame the dog? No. I blame the owners but bad owners matter more with those dogs. It doesn't matter whether it is the dog breed or the owner where the fault lies, the outcome does. It's a lot simplier to ban the dog so the bad owners can't have these dogs which are much harder to train and control.
Is it a government priority? Well, governments can do more than 1 thing at once. So... I guess not top of the list but I don't think the entire government was working on this ban.
At the end of the day people can't be trusted to do the right thing so governments have to go heavy handed and ban breeds.
Those 43 people that died from dogs deserve an advocate to point out the obvious: they would still be alive if there were very simple breed bans enforced. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of pits euthanized at shelters.
Are you a maniac?
Thank you!
I think breeding should be made illegal, but not the breed specifically. There should be more sanctuaries for dogs that aren't good around people. I heard of one sanctuary for dogs that are traumatized and can't be around people. They live in groups with other dogs.
Sure, back in the 1970's the German shepherd; in the 80's Doberman; 90's Rottweiler; then Pitbulls, Fila Brasileiro, new breeds in "the market" and so on, and btw many of those breeds are no longer considered dangerous!? I believe German shepherds can behave just the same - - meanwhile Labradors, considered by many the perfect family pet, can actually become a menace when not properly socialised.
It breaks my heart to see SO many bully-breed dogs in shelters :( Also seeing how irresponsible people are with most dogs (in Australia) letting dogs wander out of the house off-leash and unsupervised, letting dogs be off-leash in leash-only parks or just anywhere really... SO FRUSTRATING. I dog-sat the biggest dog I've ever seen, the kind people will ask if its a horse, and he was not aggressive but when trying to play I could see someone would one day get hurt. They took him on short walks and had a very small outdoor area, when I cared for him I would take him to isolated sand dunes to get him running up and down for hours. People really dont know the dogs they are often buying and dont care about meeting their needs and the dog most often pays the price.
Honestly, this is a reason I think BSL that just says to spay/neuter all pits would be the best solution. I don't want a pit bull who hasn't demonstrated aggression to be euthanized for breed alone, but we definitely don't need more. There are already more pits than people who want to have pits, and they're honestly not a good fit for most families. I feel like whether someone likes them or hates them, everyone should be able to agree that we don't need more of them, either because they just don't want them around or because they don't want them to suffer by being locked up in a shelter, or both. I remember reading somewhere that there are more pit bulls in shelters than there are not in shelters.
Hey mr I dont have a life troll. Dont think you can read what this discussion is about based onyour reply. But regarding what you said, not only dogs are omnivores many vets will prescribe meat free diets for dogs for skin/health conditions. I also believe people on an informational vegan channel know that ideally, dogs wouldn't be in the situation they are in, but because they can't survive alone in the wild the most compassionate thing to do is adopt to help them and stop breeding, that's what almost every vegan agrees to. Now you can go back to your cave, thanks@@MdoubleHB.x
I’ve treated a fair few kids injured to different degrees by dogs. A consultant I worked with on the last one (awful awful toddler attack) just said it’s hard to predict by breed and he just wouldn’t let any child near any dog and that he’s seen tiny yappy dogs do serious damage to small kids.
I'd love to ban the for-profit breeding of any dog. Not breed specific. I got attacked by a Great Dane when I was jogging. He scratched me a lot bit me once and it wasn't gruesome. The dog had been locked up when there was a break-in a couple of days before, so the dog was on edge. He wasn't a bad dog. He could have hurt me worse if he'd wanted. He was just trying to get me down on the ground; otherwise I think he would have bitten me more.
So working dogs would still be around but rely on nonprofit organizations to exist? Well then bye bye truffles and hello even higher costs for disabled people to get a service dog and hello incoming sea of illegal drugs!
It’s so weird because my mom has a purebred German, Shepherd, and I have two German Shepherd mixes, and they both genuinely think Would never ever bite a human Especially one that wasn’t not taking their signals, such as grabbing their food as they eat or something.
But the bloodline matters. There should be more concerned by breeders of really dominant, working lines to place them in the correct homes meaning homes, where they will be working or handled by experienced knowledgeable, dog owners, who can control them. With Pitbull, the problem is there’s a culture of backyard breeding and a lot of lower class people like Pitbulls Because they feel like it contributes to their but they have no responsibility and no idea how to handle a dog that is that strong and can be prone to aggression
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Make dog ownership something that requires licensure instead of a pet license. You need to prove your ability to train and care for a dog and an understanding of their body language.
This this this!
Lunacy. Licensure, seriously? What would that look like? Dogmanship is not something precise like medication formulation or rules of the road, regulating it would be a nightmare. Also the loss of FREEDOM to Bureaucracy is always worrying.
I agree just like if you want to drive a car you need to get a license, you need a written test and house inspection instead of mockup test. It's not that difficult to think of. I would not prefer a freedom to give to people when most people do not know what should or must do.
There are dog breeds that, with no training, or terrible training, would still be absolutely sweethearts: Samoyeds, Golden retrievers, Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, etc.
And then there are breeds that no matter how awful their temperament is, do not have the size or strength to kill it seriously maim a human (Chihuahuas).
It's not just the training, the breed matters too.
RIGHT ON!!!!
Cows kill more people than any other farm animal but does that mean all cows should be banned? It’s the double standards that irk me.
Right cows are indeed very dangerous, and I do believe we should ban cow breeding.
In short, prohibitions often do not work the way legislators and people do.
I got bit by a dog on the face in middle school. I was petting it like I’d pet my basenj and I guess it was maybe too.. stimulating? Aggressive? And the dog jumped and bit my face
I don't think the owner who had the dog for a week would count as a good or bad owner, there's not enough time for them to influence the dog. It would be the previous owners who would need to be looked at - so not good proof of anything tbh.
However, a side issue is that a high maintenance dog with a young child (high maintenance by definition) is a bad combination anyway. As a society we have an idea of bringing up our dogs and our children together is a lovely idea but high energy breeds, breeds that need a lot of training - they tend to get short changed and unfortunately, a bored dog is a much more destructive dog as they look for some way to use up their energy on their own.
I have a rescue greyhound - my fourth - he's always muzzled in public but he's not muzzled in the car. Cars can be a struggle for dogs, they heat up and cool down quickly which can cause breathing issues - I don't think a muzzle is the answer there.
My dog is muzzled on walks and in our garden because both next doors have cats and he will chase down a cat and it will not end well if he catches them. Not my dogs fault, as an ex-racer he has not been well socialised as a puppy, but as his owner now, it's up to me to mitigate any potential problems for him.
I think that the lack of good data is a problem. It is hard to track trends when the dog maulings are relatively rare. There should be a better system for tracking attacks on both humans and animals and tracking how many pets end up in shelters and for what reasons. I agree that no dog should be killed for their breed but on the other hand, you shouldn't let just anyone own a breed that has been bred for effective killing. Even if 99.9 % of pitbulls are completely sweet and will never attack, people can just get another pet that is equally sweet and without the risk of severely mauling you or someone else.
So we actually have quite vast data on why dogs are relinquished. Spoiler that behavior does not top the list.
Look at the ratio, there are 90 milllll dogs in the US and 1 Kk dog attacks a year. That’s a 0.01% chance of being bitten. By any breed
A dog jumped on me & caused me to fall in the street. The dog wasn't vicious, just an untrained very large dog- a standard poodle I think. It was very tall when it stood on it' hind legs - well over 60's & I'm only 5'1". The person walking the dog couldn't control this big puppy. He shouldn't walk the dog in a community with many people until he can effectively handle it!
This is a very controversial topic. I wish i could see the like to dislike radio on the video.
There was talk of banning the breeding of brachycephalic dogs and cats in the UK, but this ban seems to have taken precedent 🙄 not seen any talk of it since.. but hopefully that will still happen
During this video I had to put up with 3 ads, c'mon this is becoming .. Well, CZcamsrs must do something about this. This isn't acceptable, you'll start losing views, we can't stand it. YT's gone crazy with the ads, and after the threats, then blocking you, it's a mess. Really sad. I'm not buying any Premium BS. I'm tired.
Yeah we should stop breeding them into existence.
People don't tie up their dogs, I was walking outside and the big dog was right next to me, it could have rip me apart. These dogs when they bite they kill pretty much or rip you apart, but the people are the problem.
Maybe instead we should be questioning why exactly we even have dogs to begin with.
😂 It’s pronounced Al-say-shun.
While I like your video - have you seen this breed yourself? They are super aggressive and scary just walking down the street. Also the only American Bully XLs I have seen have dodgey looking owners who are not quite with it (homeless and slurring their words, or young people who want to look tough). We had an attack last week that needed an ambulance to be called to the city centre. I certainly wouldn’t want my little Shih Tzu anywhere near one of these dogs and definitely not a child. I feel bad for the dogs, but they are scary.
I'm sorry but I disagree with all the owners looking dodgey we owned one we rescued that the owner WAS abusive to him he was beaten and starved was even shot up with meth. This dog was so loving and sweet he knew we loved and rescued him IMO . I do understand that they are many that aren't raised right but destroying every thing in a breed isn't right . Any dog can harm in my area we had a child hurt by the grandma's little Chihuahua and little poodle thankfully the 6 yr old wasn't killed but did have to have surgery. The dog we rescued never hurt anyone or anything while he was alive he died this past December from stomach cancer. He slept with our cat .
So I respectfully disagree with you.
Thank you for giving me a new perspective on this problem. In Thailand, we just had an incident of a pitbull almost killed their owner, cannot remember the details but the pet was stressed because of something. I would said problem in Thailand mostly cause be owner really not know the bleed, don't treat them well or don't have ability to but still want to get it which really bad. I believe that pet registration and certfification will be a good solution for my country.
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My general outlook on bull breeds, especially as a sitter: if it was adopted from a shelter, it probably had an incredibly good temperament because well, it wouldn't have survived otherwise. Unneutered or unspayed bully breed dog is a huge red flag to me. I just as a rule generally don't trust anyone who *bought* their bully breed dog as a puppy as a responsible owner.
My family has a medium-sized dog and one of our neighbors (I use the term loosely) has two dogs about his size that get out so frequently that for the longest time, I didn't realize they weren't strays. Twice now they've run up to us during a walk and tried to attack our dog.
The first time he was with my dad (he's also vegan) and my dad started kicking the aggressive dogs to get them away from our dog. Our dog got bit, but nothing serious happened-- it healed within a few days. I don't know why we didn't look into pressing charges, but I doubt we could have.
The second time, my mom and I were walking our dog, and those two ran up to attack him. My mom started screaming (trying to get them to go away) and my dumbass reached down into the fray to grab our dog and I got bit. I successfully got him off the ground, and once the aggressor dogs didn't have access to him my mom was able to chase them off. I immediately told her to call animal control, and one of the neighbors came out and told her to call the cops.
That time we weren't able to press charges because we couldn't prove which dog bit me (and the evidence pointed to our dog biting out of confusion and panic at being grabbed.)
We've taken to carrying a detached metal broomstick when we go on walks now.
There is dog pepper spray! Im so sorry you went through that, its so unfair to the leashed dog. My girl became reactive after a few attacks so I always carry it with us😔
thats so frustrating! my dogs have leash aggression towards other dogs. They are fine off leash, but one of them has zero recall. Let me put it this way, it took him a year to learn "sit". So I have given up on him using his two brain cells to learn "stay" and "come" off leash. The number of dogs that have approached us off leash and their owners taking no responsibility is too damn high. Its ridiculous. I dont care if your dog is "nice", mine aren't! Is your dog going to continue to be "nice" when snapped at? No! So put them on a leash!
Normally, I agree with you, but I don't agree with this. I was recently attacked by dogs and all I was thinking was how happy I was that it wasn't one of these breeds you mentioned in the video. Those breeds were trained to attack to the death and not stop. In my case, the owner is definitely careless and should not own pets. It isn't the first time he's had that happen with his 3 dogs. It has definitely left me a bit emotionally scared, but otherwise I got off easy.
The type of person who goes for a dog titled "american bully xl" already has bad intentions. You can't convince me that someone who goes for this sort of breed or anything with "pitbull" in its name is an intelligent or caring person. The rules that would need to be followed to own such a dog aren't unreasonable, i.e. musseling, neutering, being unable to escape, chipping, etc.. However people still don't want to follow this, because the people getting these dogs believe that they are special and their dogs are special. It's torture to the dog if the dog doesn't get the proper care they deserve. It's torture to everyone else when one of these dogs acts up. If the number of attacks and/or deaths is going up, that would just make me want to double down on a ban. Clearly something is lacking mentally with the people owning these dogs, and the dogs themselves are unfortunately victims of the human race. Neutering and lowering these breed populations to near extinction would be better than putting the dogs down. However, I don't think innocent adults and children being killed by dogs should be something that we're "okay" enough with, to not try banning in any way. I emphasize once more: the people who get these dogs get them because of their negative traits. They do not care about the dog having a great life.
So many people have that story of "my sweet lovely angel" that suddenly snapped and killed something. DO NOT listen to the people claiming their dangerous breed is "sweet and kind." That's being delusional. Humans made this problem and humans should deal with the burden of taking care of it. I can't imagine having one of these breeds and not agreeing that they are dangerous and that people should not have them.
Yes it's how they have the potential to kill. No-one needs a pet that could accidentally kill them.
I don't think the ban is the problem but how you go about it is. i think banning breeding a some dogs makes sense. If someones dog bites then the owner needs to take a looong course and if they won't they should not be able to own another pet.
Ideally i think it should be mandatory to take some type of course if you want a pet in general (obviously a more dagerous animal/animal that can potentially cause more harm should require a more extensive course but i think it is important people know how to care for pets even if they are not harmful to other humans). I realise my opinions are not the norm but it is because i mostly consider owning a pet a privelege not a right which is why i think proving you will be a good caregiver is unfortunately necessary (this would be a non-issue if people were responsible but then again most laws would be mute if people were kinder.)
17:26 The dog was looking for a good time, not a long time 😂
Bad mentality, bad breeding, bad knowledge about the breed and bad training cause dangerous dogs. A dog is just not something you get and makes it fit your life. Dogs need education and help getting prepared for the situations we owners are setting up them for. Owners needs to take responsibility and acknowledge their dogs needs for training and mental stimulation their whole life. Not just the puppy stage. If you get a retriever it needs to retrieve, if you get a GSD it needs to have complex tasks, if you have a husky it wants to pull, if you get a breed bred for killing it want to fight.
Very in formative.
When you have owners who abuse the dog, malnourish, neglect, and or don’t properly socialize the dog, sometimes after a few years, the dog will never forgive, and be trained to act correctly. It’s sad, but the problems for dogs are, and have always been humans and their abusive behavior or complete irresponsibility. Case in point, it’s pretty irresponsible to breed dogs for the purpose of dogfighting and increase those traits in the bloodline for decades after when you know that dogs are mainly gonna be living in domesticated homes.
Someone I my town got hospitalised due to a dog attack. I live in London
I just happen to be watching dogs one of these days, cool stuff, and then something comes up about a Dog show in America and I couldn't believe they still allow mutilating those dogs when it comes to ears and tails for the sake of a certain breed standard. That shit is illegal in the EU, oh and btw, declawing cats is still allowed in America as well. WTF.
I'm in the US, we started with one pitbull boxer mix and fell in love. Even my mother who at first was very weary. She had a complete change of heart. Always asking what they want for christmas, or if I gave them a bite of the leftovers she sends over. Then we got our american pitbull and our home is full and happy. We walk our dogs and they are very well behaved, other breeds of all kinds bark at us and they dont have a care in the world. The idea of being told to get rid of our beautiful pets after 10 years of love and adventure just breaks my heart.
Unfortunately atleast in the USA pitbulls andother related bully breeds are subject to such cruelty being bred and raised for fighting and aggresive behavior. Then they end up euthanized for their aggression. Many shelters are filled with them and most prospective adopters do not want to risk the safety of themselves their children and other animals by adopting them. Pitbulls, Staffys, bully breeds are at a huge disadvantage they suffer the most and their aggression causes others to suffer as well. The only responsible way for them to exist is by extremely limiting the ownership and breeding of them to only thoroughly vetted and liscenced individuals.
I'm confused with the message of this video. 1st part supporting breed indeed matters. 2nd part supporting no breed ban. If breed matters why not ban it?? 🙃
The only reason a dog would be aggressive is if they were trained to be or have some unresolved trauma.
Then there’s the Great Pyrénées at the end of the street who has attacked my dog, escaped from his yard and chased my neighbour, on several occasions, and has stood outside my house just barking for 15 minutes… no owner in sight. My neighbour had enough presence of mine to get a handful of cold cuts and lure the dog home. Normally, that dog is attached to a loose stump.
This breed is very protective naturally. But the owner has been rumoured to beat him, and the latest rumour is that no one in the family can get near the dog anymore. They have a 6 yo boy. The SPCA has been called repeatedly, but nothing has been done. This is just a tragedy waiting to happen… and I’m afraid he’s actually hunting my dog, given the number of times he’s come to my house.
But who would ever suspect a big doop -Dee-doop, fluffy, white Great Pyrénées of being a menace?
Was Taz orange?
I am a dog lover and I think of dogs as being part of the family, albeit not as a child/son/daughter. I however don't trust people in their ability to take care of their pets properly. So whenever I have to cross a dog on a leash or walk by it, I tend to put my hand that is on the same side as the canine in my pocket or I scratch my neck gently to move it away. I also tend to sing (or whistle), breathe noisily or make noises with my mouth or clothes from far a away so that the dog hears me coming towards it and doesn't get startled (fear is one of the main reasons dogs get aggressive).
I also avoid large dogs and cross the street whenever possible. In any case, I approach the situation in a calm manner and confidently because dogs are fairly good at detecting fear or nervousness in humans (more than humans vis-à-vis dogs, that's for sure!).
As for bans, I tend to be for it, in particular for all large breeds. As you pointed out in the video, larger jaws and heavier dogs are hard if not impossible for most human to control alone during an attack. If you get attacked by a Chihuahua or a Dachshund, you can at least squish them with your body weight or strangle them. And unrelated to dangerosity, larger dogs means they need more food, so less environmentally-friendly and cause more harm to livestock if non-vegetarian/-vegan. And they live shorter lives and get more debilitating or life threatening health issues like hip dysplasia or gastric torsion. So small (and medium size) dogs for the win!
@MdoubleHB.xlol.chill.
Where are the mauler numbers?
"Aggression" that isn't even the right word to use. Pitbulls are not aggressive. They're not mad. When they attack, they are happy. They are excited and getting a thrill. They wag their tails when they're mauling. They are happy. They're doing what they were bred to do.
Pitbulls are also unique in the persistence of their attack. When my dog was attacked by a pitbull, whenever I called his name, he would look back to me, and attempt to run back toward me. When the owner of the unleashed pitbull did the same, her dog made no indication that it heard or acknowledged her. When pitbulls attack, they do not stop until they are forced.
Where are you getting this? There are tons of stories about Pitbulls being beaten or even killed because they refuse to fight. There are stories about them being loving, and gentle. When I hear about them attacking its when they feel threatened. Most of the time they were abused at some point. I have heard they were bred to be strong and capable of seriously harming/ killing. Never they were bred to be sadistic. Sounds fantastical.
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It sounds like you will believe any stupid fantastical thing you choose to believe.
lol STUPID is in your handle
@@stephenlurie821what did I say that's stupid or fantastical? My name isn't proof either. The videos are meant to be satirical/ stupid comedy. That's my videos.
I just know too many people who never trained their dog, of any breed; too many insist their dog is friendly when that thing is growling at you and trying to lunge. Some of them are not even physically able to restrain their dogs if it tries to lunge, making it even more dangerous. There should be some sort of regulation forcing dog owners to get them to puppy school for training. That would be more effective than trying to ban certain breeds (and possibly reduce the number of people who get a dog on impulse and have no idea how to take care of it).
RIP Ian Price
Met many XL in my country. They are so lovable, nice dogs. You know why? Because they're owners are good. Plus, in my mind small dogs should be banned because in this year alone i got bitten in my leg 4 times from small dogs. Just had a chat with they're owners. Some of those small woofers had tried to attack my child while we walk and ignore them. Good they where on a leash. Like, seriously. Every dog needs to be trained. Every breed has a specific needs and potential owner need to have a specific character to properly take care of them. So, sorry, sometimes genetics can play the main role, because breeders sometimes cheat. Like we got a defective german shepherd. Breeders wanted to earn more. By the way, heard about aggressive labradors and golden retrievers too.
I volunteer at a shelter and have for about a year as well as having a pit mix for over a year. Along with my 12 year old lab/husky mix I’ve had since he was 3 months old. It’s 100% Dog to Dog. And a good dog can snap just like a normal good human can. I would say the biggest single factor is training and knowing your dogs triggers. Even the sweetest labrador can have certain things that make them aggressive and it’s the owners responsibility to pay attention to those things.
after reading animals in translation by Temple Grandin I've basically been scared of most large dogs besides maybe st bernards even tho I know most dogs r good (T_T) small ones that bark a lot and jump on me r scary too tbh,,,,
It’s absolutely true that breed matters but as always the problem is the human. It’s the human. It’s always the human.
If we're worried about human deaths in the US we need to concentrate on reducing gun deaths, increasing safety in cars, and provide some actual reliable healthcare.
Something you didn't consider with your statements about the differences in dogs breeds and why dog fighters use certain breeds is dog aggression. Dog aggression and human aggression in dogs are very different things. Most of the breeds discussed here are going to have a high likelihood of having dog aggression (thanks to years of breeding for that trait due to dog fighting). Even if they don't have an increase in human aggression, this can increase risk to humans for bites - example being you are out walking your dog and a dog attacks your dog, you are likely to get bit/injured trying to protect your dog. So dog aggression can increase risk to humans, for badly managed dogs.
Frankly I feel like two things would be most effective for decreasing dog bites (if we think legislation for that is worth it, as, frankly, it mostly isn't). Fines for dog at large/enforcement of leash laws (in many cases this is already in place, but not enforced - but most of these attacks/bites/injuries are happening when the dog is loose in public). And shelters/rescues not adopting out sketchy dogs. If a dog attacks their new owner within the first week, that dog almost certainly showed warning signs of that while at the shelter or rescue, and I think shelters/rescues need to be held accountable for that. I've regularly heard of dogs being adopted out who had a bite history, and the new owner was never even told that there was a bite history, and that just isn't okay.
I've been bitten by dogs twice. Both smaller breeds - a Springer Spaniel and some mixed breed. I have small scars on my leg and arm and it was terrifying.
My pitbull was attacked by another pitbull on a walk once. Luckily my dog was mostly fine but had a whole in his jowels from the other dog and has a scar near his eye now. It could have been really bad because the owner of the other dog didn't keep him on the leash as he was unlocking his door to go inside.
I've heard that springer spaniels are known to sometimes have something called rage syndrome, which is a neurological disorder that causes uncontrolled bouts of rage. The main thing to me, though, isn't that every pit bull is more aggressive than every small dog, but that they haven't just been bred to fight, they've been bred to *win* fights, and every trait selected for is one to maximize damage. Those small dogs targeted your legs and arms, where a pit bull has been bred to instinctively go for the face and neck. They've also been bred for traits that allow air to circulate better even when gripping something or someone in their teeth, which means while they're attacking they're much less likely to release.
I completely disagree with the banned dog breed list HOWEVER. I live in the UK and animals are NOT respected here. Especially dogs. People love them, sure, but the people who don't REALLY don't, and there are very few legal protections for animals. I had to hide a puppy in my flat for weeks because she was SUSPECTED of being part Pitbull. She absolutely was not, not that it would have made her bad or dangerous, but they don't do DNA testing, they measure animals bodies, basically eyeball them and judge their behaviour under the most STRESSFUL of circumstances. Then if they decide to, they murder your dog. Just in case.
This place is a hellhole, and the less dogs that are subjected to it, the better.
I have a Dogo Argentino that it’s on that list as well. She is not for people who are not willing to exercise , mentally stimulate etc . Most people can’t handle them. I have a channel Harley and Ewa fully dedicated to this breed that was bred for hunting big game like wild boar. Anyway UK also banned ecollars that are really great tool. And no ecollar is not a shock collar . My dog has huge prey drive so neighbours cat could be potentially interesting to her. Thanks to ecollar i have full control even off leash. Next thing is breeding . Backyard breeders are ruining dogs , breeding unstable dogs and selling to people who can’t handle them .
I think they stop breeding the British bulldog I've that or crossbreed it with the old English bulldog which has far better health
I've had so many people give me hate for generally trusting dogs. They act as if all dogs are potentially about to attack at any moment. I, of course, believe you should exercise caution around dogs you don't know, but I also believe that most dogs are going to give some warning or indication before becoming aggressive. I volunteered at a shelter for many years and did things that are probably considered "risky" like petting the dogs through the cage doors. I was only bitten once (not hard enough to break the skin) and also had a few ankle bites from dogs running around, but I have never encountered dog aggression. I'm sure some people would say I've just been "lucky," but as someone who literally goes up to dogs on the street all the time and has worked with dogs who came from horrible backgrounds, I have to say that the evidence seems to be on the side of the vast majority of dogs having really good temperaments, and being generally predictable.
Good breakdown, thank you. Ever since my grandma was attacked by its own dog and seriously injured, I am very conscious of dogs in public. In my grandma's case we could never figure out definitively what happened, it was an elderly german shepherd mix, the vet suggested it might have had dementia or was poisoned by something. Recently in a public park a dog owner berated me for avoiding their bull terrier and I must have made a face too. But I am just never going to feel safe with a dog in public, without a muzzle, even if on a leash when they are clearly too strong to be restrained by their owner, and pulling them behind like a cart😂
I was actually a little worried to watch this but great breakdown totally agree. I see to many people pointing out how most attacks are by specific breeds. They use this a justification to say certain breeds are bad. I want to screem corilation does not equal causation. While its true some dog breeds are by nature a bit more aggressive i think the majority of dog attacks are for caused by other problems. Like you said people choose certain breeds to fight. I think a lot of the attacks are by rescues. Even if taken out of a bad situation as a puppy i think the trama can still effect these dogs. Even if they go to a good owner it might not always be possible to undue all the damage. Another factor is backyard breeding. Dogs can have phycological problems. Many backyard breeders use related dogs to breed and don't always screen the parents for phycological issues. Add to this the essential beginning few months the dogs are not given proper care and attention and a lot of dogs end up with problems. Finally as you said you should research and the type of dog you get and train appropriately. Finally a small factor is sometimes people see a "scary" breed and do something to provoke an attack. I truly believe that if all off these factors were eliminated attacks would be the same across all breeds.
@@MdoubleHB.x You definitely have some valid points but take it a bit to far. Im not vegan but don't support animal cruelty. I also have admiration for animals like tigers. I'd even agree that domestic animals should not exist. Many creatures require the death of another creature to live. If they all disappeared life on earth would soon follow. Getting rid of something as simple as spiders would have a negative effect on the earth. Carnivores existing might be unpleasant but they are nessasery. The echo system is fragile and somtimes this lesson has been learned the hard way.
I love dogs. I came to having dogs late in life, and just like born-again-christians are the most obnoxious christians, I'm into dogs and dog training significantly more than a typical person who grew up with dogs.
Looking at statistics to address "should XX breed be banned?" question is specious. We know statistics can be twisted to make any argument. For example, 8:00 rspca saying bans have coincided with increases in bites. Hrm. Let's see.
1. We don't care about bites, we care about serious injuries. Small dogs bite more often but don't corner you in your bathroom and rip your arms off (google it).
2. How has the population of dogs changed in the same time span? If dogs increase by 500%, but bites increase 154%, that seems like a good trend.
The correct question is "DO GENETICS CONTROL BEHAVIOUR OF ANIMALS?". Spend time with puppy litters of Border Collies, Malinois, Pointer hunting dogs, it becomes clear that the basic programming of each breed is fundamentally different. Genetics control behaviour. Dogs are an unnatural (heh) animal. They are genetically designed through selective breeding to do specific jobs.
Then what is the "basic programming" of Pit Bull type dogs? They were selected to maul and kill other dogs. That history is undeniable.
That does not mean that all Pit Bulls are outwardly aggressive? Of course not. But in a moment of high arousal, a moment of surprise, a moment of distress, any dog can revert to their "basic programming".
All Pit Bulls I've met in real life have been lovely dogs, cuddle bugs. But I do not think any dog bred to kill is appropriate for civil society. The potential to revert to "basic programming" is always there.
Look at Ontario Canada for a case study of breed (Pit Bull - like) bans.
The Ban was gradually introduced in 2005, with existing Pit Bulls grandfathered. All it did was make breeding Pits uneconomical.
Fast forward 20 years and a populist government comes into power promising to undo breed specific bans. They found a lovely example dog in Vaughn that was being investigated for being a pit. The government and Pit advocates highlighted how genial and gentle this dog was, and how unfair it was for this breed to be maligned by law.
Two days later, the same dog BIT A KID IN THE FACE and was put down. The idea of revoking the ban was kaput.
What should be banned is dog breeding in general for most people . People breeding dogs for profit disgusts me and most people are not equipped to do it right .
The Summer before Kindergarten, I was attacked by a dog. It broke my arm, placed me in the hospital for 5 days, and left me with visible scars for life. The dog's breed? A Golden Retriever. The pitbull mixes my family owned and properly trained? Never so much as growled at me growing up. People need to choose dogs that they are prepared to train and properly care for.
If I knew what I know now about pitbulls I might not have rescued/adopted my GSD pitbull mix in 2020.
That being said I don't regret him for a second so maybe that's for the best. My dog is smart/sweet/eager to please/has an impeccable temperament.
I raised him as a bottle baby singleton/my first dog along side cats who he's great with. I've gone on to foster bottle baby kittens and when they've interacted with each other he's been nothing but gentle and at most will just sniff them then leave them be.
I don't have kids yet but when he's met them he's been great with them. My grandma is 99 and when she visits he will gingerly place a toy in her lap/never jumps on her.
All of this behavior was intentional/trained by me but it's also his individual personality that I got really lucky with. I've seen videos of pitbull attacks and those dogs can be completely relentless. One video that really shook me up a pitbull was attacking a poor central park carriage horse who was tied up with blinders/a carriage full of humans and even after being kicked hard by the horse the dog got back up and started lunging at the horse's face again even with the pit's owner trying desperately to pull him off. I saw this when my dog was a few months old (and already very well behaved/taking amazing to being trained) and I was horrified and was like... "do these dogs end up having psychotic breaks??" Like do the owners really have no way of predicting this behavior/seeing something like this coming?
I'd really like to think that yes there are behaviors/escalating aggression patterns that I'd see and be able to prevent a disaster. But if something were to just happen and he ended up attacking my cat or anyone I'd never forgive myself.
I think his breed mix and submissive personality combined with the training I started him with at 5 weeks old and being raised with cats are all enough to not stress about the "what ifs" but I don't think I'll ever really fully let my guard down.
I do also make sure he gets plenty of exercise and mental stimulation and show him a lot of affection/praise for good behavior daily so that he's not restless. He really is the perfect dog for me and I hope I can keep him safe/sound/feeling loved/causing no harm for his entire life. But for future dogs I don't think I'd take on another pitbull/pitbull mix as a puppy, but would maybe consider a mellowed out senior if they have a good history.
Side note had a dumb friend suggest I "breed him a few times (first)" when I brought up a plan to neuter him at a year or so old.
NO. Shelters are at capacity with dogs who look like him being put down daily due to lack of space. What happens to pitbull mutts when they end up needing a lot of training/maintenence/attention is they end up put down far too young due to lack of space at shelters.
Like how is it not common sense? That friend has said dumb things before but like please be rational.
It's like the complete opposite reason for why you shouldn't breed French bulldogs. Those dogs need to be bred manually by humans/c sectioned out/be subjected to numerous medical issues.. but they'll at least have a guaranteed home with a buyer who's starting out by investing thousands into them. With pitbull mutt puppies there's going to be many more survivors/healthy puppies in each litter.. finding good homes for every puppy could be literally impossible. Then they're likely to end up put to sleep, not rehomed if their adopter falls through for any reason.
So beautiful 😮
Thank you for talking about this! I live in Germany and the news from the UK have left me speechless. Not only is this ban ineffective, it's also highly unethical. As a vet tech, I come in contact with a lot of bully breeds, rottweilers, dobermans, etc. Most of them are so friendly and sweet. It's breaks my heart when I think about the hundreds, maybe even thousands of dogs, that will suffer from the consequences of this disgusting law. I can't imagine the government taking my dogs away from me, when they have never done anything wrong in their lives. UK vets have already reported that owners have asked them to put their bully breed down, just because they don't want to deal with all the new rules. This is legal animal cruelty.
I've had staffies all my life. The only time one of them deliberately bit a human, he brought it on himself. It was an ex boyfriend who hit me and discovered my dog sinking her teeth into his arm. She was acting to defend me. She wasn't trained to bite anything, but dogs will generally defend their humans if they're attacked. She wasn't out of control at all, she dropped his arm the second I told her to. She came back to me, stood in front of me and growled at the ex.
The ex went to A&E, had a load of stitches and got arrested for assault. The police determined that it was essentially self defence and the dog was not dangerous. Sadly she passed away a short while later. She had an aneurysm. No symptoms or anything, I just woke up one day and she'd gone. Nothing anyone could have done.
I mean I'm sorry but the rules being brought in for existing dogs are that it must be neutered, microchipped, kept on a lead and muzzled in a public place, kept in a secure place it cannot escape from, and that the dog must be insured in case it does attack someone. All these things should have been happening anyway so if these people are willing to kill their own dogs instead of putting up with the slight inconvenience of doing all these pretty basic things as a responsible dog owner, then that's on them, not the government. It really begs the question of how much they actually loved and cared for their own dog if this is enough to make them get rid of it so easily and rather proves that these people are not responsible or committed enough to own the dog in the first place.
@@XxEvilTiggerxX the insurance is the challenging bit. These dogs are very difficult to insure.
@@MdoubleHB.x I don't agree with you, but even if owning dogs was inherently "un-vegan". What would you do about the millions of strays that live in every country of this world? What about the dogs in shelter? What about the dogs that are abused by their owners? What about the truckloads of puppies? Let them starve? Euthanize them? Spay and neuter? And after that? Where do they live? What do they eat? What's the point of veganism if it doesn't include taking care of all living beings in this world?
@@XxEvilTiggerxX Why would every dog need to be spayed or neutered? Responsible owners can ensure easily that their dogs don't procreate, even if they're intact. Research also suggests that spayed or neutered dogs are more likely to develop cancer, like lymphoma or hemangiosarcoma.
Also, dogs don't need to be muzzled, if there is no reason for it. They need to be able to pant, to yawn and to communicate.
Saying that someone who was killed by their dog a week after they got the dog is proof that bad owners aren't the problem is a terrible example. The previous owner of the dog would have had a major impact on the behavour of the dog.
Pit bulls have been banned in Ontario where I live for a long time. There is no justification for it. I work in the veterinary industry (vet nurse) and I trust pit bulls over most other breeds. Give me a pit bull over a dachshund or chihuahia any day.
The reality is the dangerous pit bulls out there are generally owned by people who want to look tough so they get a tough looking dog and encourage it to act tough. Before pit bulls, rottis and german shepherds were considered the cool tough dogs.
So... don't ban the breed, ban breeding?
I love pitties, but like a lot of dogs they can be very strong and high energy. If I adopt one I would try to get an older one that’s been fostered.
@@MdoubleHB.x the video doesn’t address making dogs vegan. I thought you were an antivegan troll til I saw another comment you made promoting raw vegan diet for people. I’m not sure you have an intention other than stirring drama. Have a good day.
Or maybe that breed attracts bad people? I had a pittie from puppyhood and she was the sweetest.
It's not about whether or not any breed is 'aggressive', it's about whether they have the physical capacity to severely injure or kill a human. Why does anyone need a pet animal that can accidentally kill someone?
@@anthonydude interesting. However, if we banned all breeds that have the physical capability to kill someone, that would be a lot of breeds. We would all only have Pomeranians or chihuahuas because they are easy to push off. My heart aches for the woman that was killed by her Great Danes last year. Or when I read any article of any dog attacking a human.
@@stacyq7656 not really. There are hundreds of breeds but only a very small number are responsible for the vast majority of deaths
It was staffies a few years ago, Rottweilers and pits before that, when I was a kid there was even talk about banning German shepherds,bc they were actually working dogs before they got ruined. There’s always a generational “devil dog”, and the next lot are already getting popular…kangals, Malinois, ovcharka and all these other more “exotic” livestock guardian breeds.
Imo, there’s always a trend, social media has made it worse and too many people buy breeds they have no business owning. Imo we need to crack down on breeding, and somehow tackle the issue of entitlement…ie, the people who think they are entitled to own a massive guard dog or bull breed, when they live in a small home with small kids, no spare time to train, no money or inclination to hire a trainer if they need to, and very little experience with these types of dogs.
Idek how you even begin to change that culture, but people just want the dog they like the look of, whether it’s a chubby little Frenchie that can’t breathe or a giant dog that has been bred for thousands of years to scare bears away from sheep. People are just eternally stupid and eternally bite off more than they can chew, sadly. And the animals always suffer.
Swayze, here is why I disagree with you about whether or not the mother who’s child was killed was a bad owner. I believe it is bad practice to leave young children within the reach of ANY dog. Especially a dog you have known for one week. You do not know that dog AT ALL. You touched on this also. If she had basic dog management skills, I don’t believe this unfortunate event would have happened. You are a bad owner if you don’t manage your dog, and your a very bad owner if your mismanaged dog is capable of killing someone.
absolutely - there was a tiktok of a woman letting her child approach a large stray dog (probably hoping for “aww so sweet” clout) - insanity.
I have an 8 week old baby and a 2 year old pittie/german sheperd mix. My dog is so sweet and loving--just a smart cuddle bug. She loves the baby, loves to give him kisses and say hello any time she comes in the room.
She is not allowed to be unsupervised around the baby. If I leave the room, the dog or baby comes with me, or dog goes in the crate. My dog was a service dog in training, she's incredibly well behaved and gentle. But all dogs are capable of snapping in certain circumstances, and that is not a risk I will take.
The more I seem to learn the more upsetting it becomes... having lived much a similar life experience to most dogs, learning they may actually be one of the most depressed house pets doesn't surprise me, and they are infinitely smarter than we give them credit for... most animals are..
Guys! Watch the whole video.
All the dogs I've had bad experiences with were none of those breeds, and I've had good experiences with those breeds as well. I know that's anecdotal, but Pitts I've met have always been friendly, and not "specially trained" to not be aggressive.
It's been mostly down to owners I've seen. They either train them to be aggressive, or let their dogs so whatever they want to whoever they want as long as they don't pee on their carpets. /:
It is the right decision. Your desire to have a pet that is capable of mauling people to death if it chooses to or is triggered or escapes their leash or yard does not outweigh the safety of the public. As a vegan, I LOVE jaguars and polar bears but I would never ever have the audacity to suggest that I should be allowed to have one as a pet and if I lose control of it and it mauls someone to death that it’s perfectly fine simply because the animal didn’t have any evil intention to cause harm. It’s not comparable to owning a tiny 4 pound Pomeranian who is not capable of mauling someone to death and easy to fight off. It doesn’t matter that these animals don’t have intention or premeditation to kill. The point is that if they do, the results are catastrophic, disfiguring, and often deadly. Pit bulls and other animals with that type of capability to easily kill and mail with their size and strength should absolutely be banned. Good poet owner or bad pet owner, breeds under the pit bull and American Bully label and other large, strong exotic animals are too risky to be kept as public pets. No one should have to be disfigured or killed simply because you love that particular animal. Suggesting otherwise is delusional and narcissistic. There are plenty of smaller, less dangerous animals to choose from if you want a pet very badly.
With the stats for the papers on breeds of dogs for bites. Was the breed self reported by the victim? Or was the breed determined with confidence? I wonder if there is a bias to label something as a pitbull/bully breed. Also i wonder if there was a significant difference in pitbull and lab attacks when you consider the amount of people who have labs? And i mean labs can look very pitty especially if it is mix itself? And a pit mix is going to be crossed with another dog, i wonder if that is considered in their breed makeup?
It's ridiculous, reactionary legislation pushed through due to little more than mass hysteria.
I have had and known many dogs in my life. Well trained dogs who get enough exercise rarely bite unless they've been heavily provoked or it's in defence of one of their pack, or a complete accident. An ex boyfriend hit me and soon discovered he had a surprisingly strong bull terrier hanging off his arm. She did let go when told, but came straight over to me and growled at my ex. Perfect example of fucking around and finding out.
There are some dog breeds that are more prone to I think it's called intermittent rage syndrome or something similar. It's a neurological condition that affects some dogs. They become very aggressive towards people for absolutely no reason because their brains aren't working properly. However most of the time if a dog is aggressive, it's not the dog. It's the owner.
Ok so I'm commenting this before watching the video but I do strongly believe there is no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners. And breeds that should be banned are those that have been designed specifically with poor health I.e. pugs
We have an American bully and she's the sweetest ever.