Debunking Anti-Mormon Youth Pastor
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Shortly after I converted from Baptist to the true restored Church, I had so much enlightenment poured into my head! I realized much in the Bible is literal! Baptism for the dead means what it says, when Jesus prays to his Father, it Was His Father! He wasn't talking to himself! So much made sense, confusion was gone! Thanks guys!
While I was a Presbyterian I had a hard time reconciling the fact that our paid clergy were interviewed by the Board, who then chose who to hire to preach on Sundays. If there were disagreements between the two, if there was contention, sometimes the pastor was let go & the process started over. For me, there were too many discrepancies and feelings that something was missing. That there was more that God wanted me to know & I sure wasn’t going to find it there.
I decided to stop listening to the noise & go find out on my own. No one knew about this because I wanted to know if I could have a personal relationship with God & Jesus Christ. I did t want anyone’s opinions or criticism. Just by the reading of the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine & Covenants alongside the Holy Bible, the gospel of Jesus Christ burned in my chest & started making sense finally. I grew up bing told “Mormons aren’t Christian’s”. When I decided to find out for myself (read/pray/ponder/ask questions) I was free to make my own choice about really following Christ. That was over 25 years ago. I just don’t know how I could deal with all that happens in life if I didn’t have this very solid Gospel foundation. My love for the Savior & God has expanded. I’m grateful that the Gospel of Christ gives me a family for eternity, hope for the future, and a clear direction in my life. Signed, “Former ‘Mormon’
Basher”
Thank you for sharing, I was a critic of the only true and living church once too
I would love to know more about your conversion.
@@NauvooExpositorwhat's your thought on Orthodox Church & Catholic Church claim they are the true church?
Thank you for sharing
This episode RULES.
Recently, I’ve been seeing so many so called Christians online making the “Mormons aren’t Christians” arguments. A lot of them resort to the same arguments and tactics as anti-Christ atheists.
And they make the same arguments regarding The Resurrection, that we make about coming forth of The Book of Mormon.
I attend a Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints every Sunday even though i am an outsider. Do i think you are Christians of course. All the members i have met love Christ truly and the faith is in part about emulating Christ and being inspired by him to develop yourself on the path of eternal progression. I love the members and the missionaries they are very friendly and we can agree to disagree on some issues, mostly non-essential in my mind, and be one in the worship of God and Christ. That I find beautiful. Love this podcast. Even though I tend to disagree with some of your opinions I think you are very entertaining, you are very loyal to your faiths, and you love Jesus Christ. Kudos to you guys. And merry Christmas to everyone reading this long comment. Hope you will have a festive time filled with love, presence and the light of Christ, spend together with your loved ones
Epic
Rock on bro…
What a wonderful comment! Merry Christmas to you too kagerest. Thanks for joining our meeting on Sunday!
Praise Him ! And Join us ! Get dunked !
@@deanschwenk1610 I am sorry but i can't. Mostly because i don't believe Joseph Smith was a prophet and that is a requirement
36:00 Also when Jesus is resurrected he LITERALLY SAYS, "say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
WE SHARE THE SAME FATHER AND JESUS HIMSELF SAYS SO!
The analogy of nit picking whether your teammates jersey is tucked in or not is the most fitting metaphor I've ever seen for how Christians like this are behaving towards us. Amazing episode guys :)
I like asking evangelicals "What happens when you sin in Heaven?" Then when they say that you can't, I ask them how Satan did it then. It's pretty funny.
That's ignorant
@@taramatthews6192 that's very non descriptive.
@@taramatthews6192why?
@drewhanna
Actually Satan did NOT “sin” or transgress any law in Heaven. According to both the Bible and modern-day revelations, Satan and Co. were cast out for “rebellion” as they sought to destroy humankind.
That’s quite different from sin. To sin, you’d have to first be under a law, and if we (being imperfect) were under a law of the gospel, we’d have sinned and not been able to remain in God’s presence. So be careful what you are playing with there. The nuance is lost on them-and you possibly-unless you understand why we were guiltless in heaven. It certainly wasn’t because we were good like Jesus. It’s because we had the power to choose but had no consequences for our actions.
That’s why we came to earth, so that we could truly have agency. Satan rejects the principle of agency and wants to destroy God and his free-agent children.
@@gordonscott8758 we had consequences for our actions. Those who kept their first estate were given a second. Those who keep their second estate will get a third. It's not that nuanced. Satan sinned. He experienced consequences.
Don't know how many times I said on my mission "proving me wrong doesn't prove you right!" Even if you convince me to leave my church it doesn't automatically make your's more attractive or true. What do have to offer other than less doctrine, less certainty, less ordinances, less scripture, and ultimately less Christ?
Right. They forget about sharing the gospel (the good news) in favor of destroying faith.
@@lukev483 Doubt only breeds doubt. It’s the road to agnosticism, and the statistics show that. Just about everyone who switches denominations in the US ultimately ends up identifying as unaffiliated, because the people who stay religious are the religiously devoted who have already done their research and are where they believe the truth is.
Regardless of all that, I’d like to hear why you’re so certain that we’re blatantly wrong. I assure you there are countless Latter-Day Saints who have done just as much research as you and more, and have an informed assurance of their faith. I find it hard to believe they just missed something so glaringly obvious that you can so easily say it’s blatantly wrong. So please enlighten us, what are we forgetting here?
Maybe they’re all wrong ?
Something about the Hello Saints guy just feels like a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I don’t want to reject an olive branch or discourage/outcast an honest seeker of truth, but I just get a weird feeling about him.
Amen to that.
I think he’s honest and earnest, but he’s not looking to convert, he’s looking to understand so he can learn how to better convert us.
I think he’s trying to understand our beliefs. But no desire to know if there is truth in our beliefs.
YES!!!! Agreed! He is very nice but I don't get the feeling he is interested in really understanding us. He comments on things we say or do, gets it wrong, and then tells us why he is right and Mormons are wrong. Its weird.
@@kristinrichmond8185 I think he KIND OF wants to understand our beliefs. His General Conference vid he was taking the GA out of context. He wasn't trying to understand, just show how wrong we were.
I am a bishop and was very much entertained by this and feel like I have more in my tool belt. Thank you.
This is so good to hear, Bishop! Godspeed with your congregation. God bless you for being a Bishop. I'm in a bishopric and I've learned that Bishops are just the greatest.
Stop leading people to hell bishop. All who teach a false gospel are accursed. Eternally cut off from God
"Save yourself and then save us" @@NauvooExpositor
I've always been baffled by those who, rather than finding common ground, insist on seeking disagreement. But it doesn't end there. At the same time, they seem to enjoy creating a dark, mysterious and even hostile view of other's beliefs which are often very misleading or just flat out dishonest.
Just out of curiosity, were you referring to the evangelical commentator, midnight mormons, or both?
That's how it seemed from the recent Allie Beth Stuckey video about Mormons vs Christians
There is no common ground when Paul spoke of different Jesus’s. We worship a completely different Jesus. If u guys r right about him so be it.
But it’s a different Jesus then us. Therefore no common ground.
Plus heavenly mother, Elohim having a God before him is completely demonic to us.
The Pentecostal should have been more up front.
How do you find common ground without disagreement?
Sure Mormons “use” the Bible, but they interpret it very differently than the majority of Christian denominations.
From my experience, Mormons identify as Christian’s, but the majority of Christians are very against Mormon’s considering themselves to be Christian.
They believe that is Mormon’s worship and pray to entirely different Jesus than they do, that being just one example of several fundamental differences between Mormonism and Christianity…..
If God is the Most High God, as it says in the Bible, wouldn't there be lesser gods as well? I am so thankful for the beautiful truths of the Restored Gospel. Blessings and Merry Christmas 🌿
There would be lesser gods just like is mentioned many times in the Bible. I asked a friend once "what does it mean to be Lord of Lord's or the Most High God?"
@@keithlott1916 Absolutely!
All the gods of the nations are demons according to the psalms. There is one God in three persons. The Orthodox faith is the true faith of which the New Testament Scriptures were born out of. The Church has always been visible and in tact just as Christ says that the gates of Hades will not prevail against The Church. ✝️
This is the stuff that made me start watching your podcast, the rebuttals that can help people in their ecumenical arguments with their Christian brothers and sisters. Also the new intro music is cool 😎
I'm just here for the bumper music. Iykyk
Brad and Will make the best duo. They're like sharing their sass and spiritual aura with each other ))
I think all these online evangelical and calvinist preachers, (like the anti-mormon podcasters) have figured out they can make money by bagging on our church. Great show guys and also I love the intro music. :)
If they do make any money from it, good for them. It takes a long time to research and understand cults and deliver a gospel message in response and show how the cult is in error. Mormonism is very complex
I think they’ve just realised how many more people they can reach with the gospel truth by using online resources. People all over the world can watch their videos and if they’re LDS members they can learn the truth, or if they’re investigators or non-members they can learn the error and the dangers of Mormonism
You guys gave some good points and examples I hadn’t before, I enjoyed listening.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint plan sounds a lot better to me.
My mother, and also my father in law agree with you, as both have lived lives outside of the LDS church. Often they comment to me that they searched, prayed, read, attended all sects, and always felt something was missing.
For my father in law it was the heaven or hell and most go to hell false doctrine of his evangelical church and then other missing concepts from his alter boy days as a Catholic. For my mother it was seeking a personal relationship with God, less vain repetition in prayer, and sought for a God who still spoke with his prophets like in the OT and NT.
Things click when we study scripture, when we pray, when we feast upon ALL of the words of Christ.
@@Raze120 I’m curious, before I respond, how much of the Book of Mormon have you read?
"SHUT UP, WILL!"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Classic moment made, right there!
I guess we're just Christianity's favorite whipping-boy, the bro that all of protestants love to hate. Like we're the brother that wore the coat of many colors.
Personally, I believe the vilifying of the Church has to do more with economics than theology. We are taking marketshare and they can't buy their private jets now.
Priestcraft. They want to make money preaching the word.
That was the case from the start. When the church first started the ministers started letting the missionaries preach to their congregations. Then the flock started to convert. They still didn't have a problem. Then they realized that we don't pay...game on.
@Raze 120 they actually have jets donated by richer members of the church to aid in the work. They fly them all over the world to serve. John Huntsman in particular has donated much time with his jets to the the church leadership. If you research the prophets houses and cars, they are very modest compared to mega church pastors.
@@Raze120 I am just telling you how it is. The planes have been donated. Most of the money goes to building new buildings and temples. We currently have like 150 temples under construction (they cost 10s of millions to build). I know many people like to come after the prophets for money, but if they are socking away that money, they aren't spending it, so I just don't see it.
Even if the church had jets, they are used for church business, which is important. Millions of people love and cherish a visit from these men all over the world. I certainly don't see them acting like criminals (like the ftx people, engaging in drugs and orgies with stolen money).
How do you see them as criminals? What laws are they breaking?
I have always said and believe anti mormon is about economics
Great episode.
I think it’s funny when people call Mormons not Christians like they have the patent on Christianity.
I challenge all our haters to actually read the Book of Mormon… actually come to our church and find out if we’re Christian for themselves.
I think it’s because we both have different definitions of what a Christian is. For most people it’s a title, for Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints we say that being a Christian as a way of life. Admittedly some Members done see it that way, but it is they way we should look at it.
Find it ironic that most "Christians" who besmirch the saints as non-christians, swear, drink excessively, Chain smoke and cheat routinely on their wives
@@lukev483 your experience isn’t everyone’s. Sounds like a culture problem. Not a Christian problem.
Quote from Jesus. “Whether it be by my voice or my servants it is the same” so if you believe in modern day prophets…. It would be just as Jesus is speaking to us. Just a thought.
@@lukev483 Imagine attending a church for 28 years and having no clue what they actually believe (or misrepresenting it this poorly). You're a liar.
@@lukev483 I think people are wicked. I think they make bad choices. I think there is always going to be bad people making good things bad. If you really study Joseph Smith and the restoration I think your opinions of him would change. I used to hold a lot of contentment towards him. Until I learned more about him. The good and the bad.
But I am more concerned with my personal relationship with God than I am everyone else.
I don’t see the church as a cult…. I have never have… never will. Culture is downstream from religion…. Politics… everything. I don’t focus on how culture has ruined everything. I choose to see the good it does. Becase in my option the church does waaaayyy more good than bad. Just look at its humanitarian work alone. I’m not here to fight. I know you will never see things the way I do. However, my experience has been totally different than yours.
I hope you can at least find peace knowing God has a plan for you. Even if it’s not in the Church.
Brad was on fire today!! Loved seeing you guys with this energy and so so so so much knowledge. Evangelicals need to start actually doing research
The whole "saying Jesus is our brother is heresy" thing is a pet peeve of mine. My go to is this, Hebrews 2: 10 In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered. 11 Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.12 He says, 'I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.'
We do not declare Jesus is our brother. He declares that we are His brothers and sisters.
AMEN and AMEN!!!! Its a total heresy.. and the Latinos repeat it in almost every testimony. Look at the topical guide, where it lists the titles of Christ..Brother is NOT listed. M Russel Ballard told us in 1998 to stop saying it.. That although its TECHNICALLY true in the pre-mortal life.. It is a DEMEANING term to call The LORD of the UNIVERSE our Elder Brother. Through being born again, we become his SONS and DAUGHTERS.. Not Brothers.
My biggest pet peeve is s how people, like this guy just did, say Jesus Christ payed for our sins by dying on the cross. They delete the account of the Garden of Gethsemane and rewrite the account on the cross. All while bashing us claiming we don't believe in the Bible or accusing us of changing it. If they can find the trinity between the pages of the Bible they should be able to find what is on the pages of the Bible.
The Atonement of Jesus Christ takes both the suffering in Gethsemane and on the cross to be complete. The resurrection is free to us all, while the suffering in Gethsemane is for those who would repent, and follow Him.
@@bplionel2 His death on the cross completed the atonement but it is not where he suffered for our sins. In Gethsemane He suffered the punishment for our sins as well as experienced our afflictions. If someone wants to point out where someone else is wrong they shouldn't have errors in their argument.
@@justjamie7577 I know that. I said that He suffered in Gethsemane, and died on the cross.
@@lukev483 you're more brainwashed than you claim us mormons to be lol
You’re claiming that Christians have no proof of the trinity in the Bible heist you’re making a claim of the Atonement taking part in the Bible which you can’t really back up with scripture either.
The Trinity is the only logical conclusion. The proof is in the incantation of Christ. There is only one God, not three. All three persons are divine, but they’re only one god, ergo, the Trinity. It’s not a hard concept to see, although the limited finite human mind has trouble comprehending something infinite and eternal
He comes across like a nice guy, my issue is his video didn't present any argument. He literally just stated our beliefs with a negative innuendo as if that proved them wrong.
Yeah fr
It’s crazy because the show “The Good Place” demonstrated what heaven would be if it was just paradise. They eventually started letting the residents “create” their own things to give them fulfillment.
Interesting! I only watched one season and stopped. I'll have to watch more. One thing that I did notice is Kristin Bell at one point said something like, "Well I wasn't good but I wasn't really bad. Isn't there a place for people in between?" Yes. And its called the Terrestial Kindgdom. I would love to know the theological beliefs of the writers.
@@danascully7358 you should finish it! It was pretty good.
Take it sleazy
@@hunterraven250
"Is it another cactus?"
I am not able to find that CS Lewis is the one quoted to say we are all Gods in embryo. Please verify that.
Good stuff, Guys. Would love to see Pastor Jeff from "Hello Saints" on your show. I'm softening to him, but he needs some tough Questions.
Let him finish reading the Book of Mormon first before we drop the book on him. There’ll be a time for apologetics and evidence later.
I think he’s a wolf.
@@jacobbowers7137 I suspect the same, but we'll let things play out. My antennas are ringing.
He’s in it for view and likes. I fell for it for a while.
I just wish members of the church would subscribe to other faithful channels more than Hello Saints. It's sad to see that his channel has over 50k subs, yet other and more gospel focused YT channels have around 10K
If the Bible says we'll inherit everything the Father has, what does that tell you? What does the father have? I don't know, the universe?
The question is who are the rest of the Christians to say who is Christian or not ? Who are them to decide who should be Christians or not? What authority do they have to decide who is to be Christian or not?
I don't get offense anymore when people say we are not Christians because they do not have the authority to say who is Christian or not.
The true question need to be: "Would Christ consider you and I Christians (his disciples) ?"
We can call ourselves whatever we want, but would he (Christ) consider us to be his ?
Joseph Fielding McConkie, in his book "Gospel Symbolism", page 247, states:
"If we are to be honest in scripture study we cannot claim for the scriptures what they do not claim for themselves.
The scriptures do not claim infallibility or inerrancy.
They do not claim to have all the answers, and
they do not claim to be all of equal worth.
They do not claim prophets are infallible.
They do not convey authority, remit sin, or call to office.
They are in all things subject to the living oracles.
Such is the testimony they bear of themselves."
The Bible does not define "Christian."
Nor does it enumerate the qualifications, requirements, regulations, standards, and criteria to claim the undefined label "Christian."
Cardon, im skeptical bout the Hello Saints guy. I think any Evangelical or other Christian minister who makes a youtube channel to critique our church, is a hostile actor and does it for their financial benefit.
Would love to see this kind of thing done to bigger more well known guys like Mike Winger.
@@Raze120 It’s entertaining because the hosts are just funny guys, simple as that. And in between the jokes they also made some good points. Especially considering the guy they were reacting to didn’t really make any good points.
And I’m all for fair and equal debate and would love to see people like this guy or Mike Winger come on the show and defend their views, if they would accept the invitation. That’s always the ideal scenario. But just them reacting to his content would also be entertaining and educational.
I am amazed at how people make themselves relevant and validate themselves by always trying to make The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints irrelevant and invalidating us.
But guys, the way the trinity is written was compiled by means of compromise, bishops bribing, bishops conspiring against each other to get it according to their theology, bishops excommunicating each other, and by heated arguments by bishops that couldn't agree with each other and calling each other heretics... surely it must be divine
You guys are so much fun to listen to. I love the powerful doctrines you are teaching and the amazing apologetics you present along with the great guests you have on . Building my faith and making me laugh at the same time ! 😂 God bless you
I’ve been waiting so patiently for an episode like this!!! You guys are All-Time Greats for this one 💯
This was awesome. I totally agree, they claim to be Christians but are the most fragmented and contentious towards eachother. Hating on The Church of Jesus Christ does seem to be what brings them together 😆. I've known people that wouldn't even go to the same denomination in their city because it would be so different than where they were going or they were so attached to the particular preacher.
I just feel so sorry for this young man trying to show off . Brads to nice "kind of misled" more like completely!
The midnight Boyz are scorched earth with it!
This guy talks to his viewers like there all 5 years old too.
Cardon, I too chuckled when Trump said Two Corinthians but his Mother is Scottish from Scotland and on another LDS CZcamsr's channel from that area of the world they said it the same way. So as Americans we laughed when he said but I think that's how he heard his Mother say it. Just thought I would share that. I could be wrong though. Have a Merry Christmas. Love the show.
I just love you guys! Thanks for getting back to why I started listening to you all in the first place.
We really appreciate the effort and the insight that's put into videos like this. Thanks for speaking up!!
I always tell people that if we were created to worship God for all eternity and that was all, then why were we sent to Earth? What was the point of gaining a body and experiencing mortality? We could have been created in Heaven without agency, worshipped forever, and there would have been no risks for anyone.
Wow what a great show.! The last couple of episodes you guys testimony has really shown through.
I would love these guys to put together a list of books which they have read to understand so much of the history and background of christianity. Please do this! I want to have greater understanding of history
This was our FHE lesson. My teenaged boys ate it up! Unique content like no where else!
@@lukev483 you're right. My children are so stupid and gullible. What idiots! Thanks luke!
@@lukev483 Maybe you should just move on if you hate LDS so much. It’s sad wasting your time looking for things to attack.
@@lukev483 John Dehlin could literally take a dump on your dining room table and you would still worship him lol
@@binmyrtmindThey can’t leave us alone as it’s an obsession with them. They were recruited by satan and demonic spirits whispers in their ears and have taken over their mind.
Praying for them as Jesus would say, Father Forgive them as they know not what they do. 🙏🏽
Oh man! Your Gaston analogy got me laughing so hard i literally had to go pee before i went in my pants! That was awesome! I consider you guys, after listening to only 3 of your shows, the Rush Limbaugh of church stuff. Its exactly how we deal with certain topics in quorum. We tone it down a bit but yeah. Its that sort of happy spirit of gratitude we use to get our point across. Thanks for this. Its my new top of the list listening at work. Love what you do.
I asked several Christians what will Heaven be like? Some said we will surround the throne of God and praise Him forever. Others told me that we will thrown crown at his feet. I’m not sure eternally singing and plying disc golf as it were…
My issue is that not once did he define Christianity. He just pointed out how his church differs from ours 🤨
You guys are getting better every time...
Fantastic video! I especially loved the mic drop moment- Our God is so powerful he can create beings with the potential to become gods as he is!
God sees our divine potential and he can help us baby step by baby step all the way into the eternities
I believe I have enough for my own testimony but many times the priesthood ban and the curse of blackness on the lamanites comes up. Not sure if anyone here has thoughts on that
Watch the Come Back Podcast, episode with Jared Halverson. He talks about the curse of blackness on the Lamanites.
I am not sure which Evangelical movies you are referring to but I always thought they produced a higher quality movie than LDS producers did. The Chosen is a perfect example of that.
13th article of faith! I like K-love and the Christian produced encounter movies in particular. Some are better than others. There are some really good LDS members produced movies. And the New Testament and Book of Mormon videos are top notch.
That was AWESOME GUYS!! Thank you so much for all you do!! ❤️ 🙏
Damn Brad, LET’S GO!! 🔥🔥
MM crew Lynn Wilder was on Allie Stuckey. It was a doozy but only because of her reach, lots of LDS listeners. You guys should review.
Without a knowledge or understanding of our premortal life, they cannot wrap their minds around our brotherhood with Christ and the fatherhood of God.
I am glad I waited to comment. Kwaku hit it on the head at 1:28:00 , then Kardon went for the dunk. You would protect your income too, that is why King Benjamin did it right.
Christ even used the literal Hebrew word for “daddy” when he was addressing Heavenly Father…
According to the Trinitarian view he was now addressing himself as “daddy”
Make that make sense…
These Christians will get their heaven. They want to sit in a circle praising Jesus and God, and they'll get that. That's the Terrestrial kingdom.
I have a question. In Mormon doctrine it says heavenly father was once a man and through spiritual progression became our heavenly father. My question is how does a man progress to be a eternal God?
Other than this query I would have to say that the Mormon doctrine makes way more sense than protestant Theology.
Doctrine and Covenants 132 I think is a good answer to this question. It talks about how we will become like god.
Man doesn’t. It’s all Mormon lies. Scripture is quite clear, the one true God is eternally a holy God. He didn’t progress to godhood and neither can we
This is your sweet spot. Great video!
Incredible episode 👏🏼
Absolutely loved the video. But every time I think about the Trinity I think the exact same way Kwaku was speaking about it, like why is there a need for a second spirit if the father is the spirit. And also in John 10:34 literally has Jesus say “is it not written in your laws that ye are gods?” And those laws being in the Old Testament.
I found this show last week and I love this! Thank you for your show. I’ve been binge watching this for the last week.
angry brad is best brad
I think the biggest difference between theology isn't in the 3 in 1 concept of the trinity, it is in this: Colossians 1:17 "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." and acts 17:28 "For in him we live and move and have our being." Traditional Christianity understands verses like this to mean that that nothing has existence or "being" outside of God. Abraham chapter 3 of course gives a very different scenario where God is a powerful being among an infinite number of other eternal intelligences that exist independently from him in a universe that has just always been, it has no creator but God has learned to manipulate this self existing universe in a way that He can do whatever he wants and what he wants to do is help other intelligences become like He is. These are two very different concepts of God.
That said, mormons believe that God is eternal, and that Jesus is the Son of God and that He was God before his birth, and that he is one with the Father, and that he came in the flesh to redeem the world. They also believe that Jesus is our Lord and lawgiver. Those are the things the New Testament emphasizes so I have no problem seeing a mormon as a fellow believer in Jesus even if I disagree with some theology.
Thank you guys for making this :D
Sounds like we’re more Christian than this Pastor will ever be (unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit and putteth of the natural man, and becometh as a saint 😉)
Would love to see you guys do a video with Dr Frank Turek.
Loved this intro song
I've always thought that the concept of the Trinity was very Hellenistic. They're adding attributes of pagan deities to God.
This was the most fun I've seen in the world of religious apologetics. So fun, and enlightening. Thanks.
You guys are the best. Great work and content.
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the bible itself does not claim to be the sole authority.
so who decided it was ?
Actually we believe in three degrees of glory, but hell (Outer Darkness) is another for who commit the unpardonable sin. So actually we believe in four. We also believe there are degrees within degrees. We also believe that after we die we go to paradise or spirit prison.
I know I’m a year late to seeing this but this video included answers to my prayers. Thanks for doing what you do ❤️
I have a question: Are we that different from the other Christians or Evangelicals who differ from the Baptists, Assembly of God, when we have the Community of Christ, the D o C er’s (although they claim they are not organized), and then the fundies? Maybe this is not a similar comparison?
Loved Kwaku's credit card at Costco Analogy!
Of all the things I loved from this video, I loved Brad's invitation at the end the most, to pray and ask God if there's any truth in what's been said. I really hope this pastor accepts that invitation as well as the invitation to come on the show. Nice work, MM's!
That version of the Gaston song needs to be made.
Will the thrill still loves everybody. Love this video.
I feel bad for putting "Mormonism" on the back burner for all of these years. I've been researching various religions, philosophies, cults, and schools of thought - similar to Kwaku, for over a decade now.
I never gave "Mormonism" much thought, because I had the same view that the media shows us, that "they're the crazy ones that think Jesus came to this continent - period." It's so, so much deeper than that. Please forgive me, for I did not know.
I feel like all of my years of study was required before I came back full circle to Mormonism, in order to have a more complete understanding of the symbolism, the details, the whole thing! I understand the Temple better because of my previous research. Whereas your typical Christians are afraid the Temple, afraid of it because they do not understand it! Little do they know of it's importance and the crucial messages entwined throughout it.
I can firmly proclaim that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only living Church - Living! Restored to it's fullness. The final missing puzzle piece. Other churches now, to me, feel like they're preaching from the top of a tombstone.
Midnight Mormons is the reason that I've begun reading, and studying, the Book of Mormon, as well as D&C, and the Pearl of Great Price. Other members might view your content as inappropriate or what have you, but I'm proof that what you're doing is effective. I may not be baptized, or a member, but little by little my circle is becoming squared, and you guys are leading me there.
Right on. Keep us posted!
Awesome man I feel the same
Amen brother. Keep learning. Never stop looking for answers.
I don’t think Christians are “affraid” of the temple. They just realise that the doctrines and ordinances of the temple are missing from the New Testament church and that they are not required. Only the blood of Christ allows us to enter the holy place, as scripture says, not handshakes, password and tokens stolen from Freemasonry
I'm Evangelical and the Bible in
2 Samuel 6:14
14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might, wearing a priestly garment.[a] 15 So David and all the people of Israel brought up the Ark of the Lord with shouts of joy and the blowing of rams’ horns
Keep going guys also kwaku when is the fight and where can I buy supps bro
"God became man that man might become God" - St Athanasius compiler of the New Testament. Almost every Christian Denomination (at least behind the pulpit) believes we can become like God, they call it things like Sanctification, Second work of Grace, Divinization, Apotheosis, Complete Sanctification, etc. And EVERY single Christian Denomination, except for maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses, believe God was at one point a mortal Man. They just pretend not to when we walk into the room.
The distinction for evangelicals about Jesus and Satan and humans is a question of difference in kind. Sister Roach, from FAIR has a good explanation. Essentially, God is an Uncreated Being, or Unmoved Mover. He is regarded as qualitatively different from Angels, Demons, and humans which are all created. When we say Christ is our elder brother, they hear that Christ is a created being and therefore less than God. Obviously, there is a misunderstanding here that stems from differences in theology about who we are and the nature and purpose of our existence. It is true that the Bible does support The LDS position better than the evangelical one, but their issue isn't stupidity. It's a difference in interpretation.
Us disassociating ourselves from the mess that is mainstream Christianity may be a good thing. The term Christian was a popularised nickname for the saints given by their enemies at the time of the early apostles in the exact same way that Mormon is a nickname for the Latter Day Saints also given by our enemies. Emphasising that we are Latter Day Saints is a lot more important than trying to fit in with Christianity.
Loved this episode…
Being "Christian" to evangelicals simply means staying in their box of beliefs and not asking questions.
Also have you guys watched Pastor Jeff? He's an evangelical pastor that is extending a loving hand to us and genuinely trying to reach common ground with our religious beliefs. He just started reading the Book of Mormon, so that's pretty interesting. He might be a good guest
Pastor Jeff is the GOAT
Pastor Jeff just finished 2nd Nephi. Respect for anyone who can get through the Isaiah parts and keep going.
Nah Pastor Jeff is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I can foretell his BoM conclusions easily. He believes in sola Scriptura so it’s just going to be a long slog of video after video where he gives some credit but then raises questions. Ultimately he’s going to conclude that the Saints are great people with great beliefs though false and will invite them to be evangelicals.
Absolutely. 100%
This is and was such a great episode!
It’s hard to believe people who believe they can “lie for god”
Love how he says "so we're kind of 0 for 2 right now." But never actually tried to debunk the fact that Jesus' atonement was for everyone, just said it was false which isn't an argument against it so much as a dissenting statement of disagreement.
When a Christian tells me that we believe in a different Christ than they do, I agree with them.
one of the best episodes by far
The technical jargon overload reference was the best
Evangelicals can be God’s fan club in Heaven for eternity if they want. I want to be joint heirs with Christ. And another thing: who made evangelicals the sole members in the committee for nominating Christians and non-Christian. I’m dissolving this imaginary committee. Done ✅
I love you guys.
Dudes you need to have the “Hello Saints” pastor on. It has been my contention that he is the epitome of a sophist. Like his visit to Nauvoo. Oh this is a historic place Yada, yada, yada. But I found it to be such a sad place. Everyone there was so sad. He always throws in a barb at the end.
He makes a big deal about no crosses on chapels. So I had to drive from San Antonio to Cincinnati to Lexington so on the way I counted crosses on steeples I found about 65% of Charles have straight pointed steeples like LDS chapels. Of the chapels with crosses the catholic cathedrals, Pentecostal and first church of God were always the main chapels with crosses. So churches he would get not along with have crosses a bizarre argument to make.
I would really like to see him ask his questions about the differences to Dr Ross Baron as opposed to his ambushing a non responsive audience. You guys would be hilarious to have him ask his questions to. You should have him on.
Is the young kid the son or a relative of the host? Very often, when the kid talks, the hosts responds with "That's funny"
Ah, Kwaku. Hilarious accents right around the 1 hour mark. I think you offended like 5 ethnic groups, but I loved it!
louder then his confidence !hahahahaha