Frame By Frame: Isolated rhythm and backing tracks
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- Yet another glimpse into the inner workings of Frame By Frame from the Discipline recording sessions in May 1981. By stripping away the principal guitars, DGM engineer, Alex "Stormy" Mundy reveals a fascinating alternative world lurking below the surface of Frame By Frame. Driven along by Stick and drums, we quickly encounter Adrian Belew’s sunny tape looped vocals, the yearning harmony provided by Tony’s backing vocal and, lines and chords from the Roland keyboard played by Fripp. The subtle interaction of all these elements when meshed with the main guitar motifs is easily overlooked. Here, however thanks to Stormy's ministrations the piece presented in this manner could almost be a completely different song. For hard core fans of this line-up it's wonderful to be able to hear the construction process of one of this incarnation's most notable tracks.
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Bruford made one of the most solid artistic decisions in music by leaving Yes at the height of their popularity to join this band.
At the time I was annoyed with him for leaving but now I get it.
He knew they had nowhere to go but down. Such insight!
@@ZorroCeleste1Well slow down there, Yes were still outstanding until after Going for the One
@@PlasmarielTales, Relayer, and Going for the One. It’s not like they folded up shop after he left
As a musician, I feel like these isolated tracks are really interesting. They allow us to have a better understanding of the subtle arrangements that are often barely audible but yet always essential.
As a musician, I must agree with@Wadsmitter on this one, as a real musician would never actually say "as a musician" at any point in life, its soooo lame... and why do you feel the need to qualify your opinion with "as a musician"? Just say it, no need for credentials, this isnt college registration, junior!
You must strive to come up with better adjectives and angles from which to come from with your opinions... like "As a professional Bass Fisherman..." or "As a computer software engineer"..." or " As a leading expert on lying..." or "As a guy that over compensates for having a small penis by acting like a guy who claims he has musical talent..."
Do we all understand?
@@WhiteSploitationFavs you didnt have to destroy him like that. Jesus
@@WhiteSploitationFavs nah...as a musician myself, i appreciate his declaration of perspective...
@@WhiteSploitationFavs nah, adding "as a musician" can help others understand someones perspective, you're just an ass
@@mattekudasai8249 nah, its useless. If you are going to give credentials, ACTUALLY GIVE OUT CREDENTIALS. "As a musician" is a lame-ass saying and should stop.
Now, if I were to say "As a former professional bass player, music teacher, and radio engineer" my credentials actually mean something. "As a musician" means nothing.
With Bill, its all about finding rhythms within rhythms. That is his mantra. That is his style!
Wow, this actually makes me appreciate the original track even more. Those vocal harmonies and loops sound amazing and it's great hearing that red hot rhythm section in isolation. I don't think I'll ever listen to the song the same way again. What was great about this incarnation of KC was the interlocking of all those layers and how they made the complex simple and the simple sound complex.
Still a beautiful song. THAT is even more amazing!
I think my child will start with this version!
For me, the most genius thing about Frame By Frame is that without all of this (so just the guitars), it sounds like you're hearing two completely unrelated instances of music next to each other. The speed, feel, harmonies, rhythms, and time signatures are completely different; so they only match in key. It makes no sense to associate them with each other until Robert and Adrian go to the verse section in perfect unison, and you realise that the only way they could have done that was by preparing for it from the beginning.
It also technically works in a full band context, because Adrian's part is the tip of the iceberg that is the full band playing the song.
Even just the backing track of a Krimson song sounds more amazing than 90% of other music out there.
Crimson not Krimson.
@@gogoyubari366"Krimson" is a way fans use to abbreviate "King Crimson", just like they use "KC".
I agree!!!
No
I got to meet BB once.I told him his playing always made me smile.He looked up at me while he was signing my copy of RED,smiled,and thanked me.
Incredible how beautiful is, even as an "incomplete" song.
Tony’s vocals 😁
tony levin is the man, definitely on my top-3-all-time-favourite-bass-players list; be it mean & aggressive, or simple & tender, what he plays is always right & perfect for the song...
The "Jungle Beat" revealed in all its glory. Thank you boys!
Jim Reiske yeah it's amazing! the general rhythm isn't that difficult to hear, but to hear all these little melodies that Bill plays on his octabans is a real eye opener. So musical!
Those ethereal vocals for some reason create a nostalgic feeling.
The Stick has such a beautiful sound!
Fantastic. Just the backing track is mind blowing enough.
this is why I love this band; been listening to this album for 10+ years and I'm still discovering new and amazing things about! Just mind blowing.
"frame by frame" was this band's "21st century" or "red" moment. it defined that kc was not limited by boundaries.
I think starless was the 21st century of the 70s run
Funny. We were listening to this tape when we drove from Cincinnati to San Francisco in 1981 for the first and final time (we never went back), we were out in the big sky country (Wyoming, or Montana - they blend into one) and this song comes on and suddenly, off to our right, there is this freight train tearing ass, headed west. I was driving as fast as I could to keep up with it and this song provided the perfect soundtrack. Especially the opening guitar lines. I remember Adrian. He was from Covington, Ky. I grew up a few miles away. I used to go to Shipley's in Cincinnati to see him and his band, The Bears. All of his drum tracks were coming off a reel-to-reel tape deck. Adrian is a funny, nice guy. Next thing I knew, he was onstage with the Talking Heads in Toronto in 1980. (My jaw dropped - I only expected to see David, Tina, Chris and Jerry. I was lucky to work with Bernie Worrell back in 1990. Another very nice, very funny man. He had to have a constant joint, but that was no problem).
It's amazing how influential Discipline was across so many genres and throughout most of the 1980's. Levin's bass lines with Bruford's drumming created the perfect canvas for both Fripp and Belew to experiment on. KC are Magnificent!
Excelente. Que banda por Dios y con Bill Bruford mejor aún.
Super cool! I looked up this song to show a friend of mine how Bill Bruford plays the Octoban drum throughout the song. When I saw "Frame By Frame: Isolated rhythm and backing tracks" I just had to hear it!!! Love it!!!
To glimpse the genius of Bill Bruford, listen closely to the pitches that he tuned the octabans to. Right in tune with RF’s guitar part. I’ve heard this song hundreds of times but did not realize this until now. Absolutely brilliant.
What I love about hearing isolated tracks like this (this song and others) is it reveals -- paradoxically -- how both *ordinary* and *extraordinary* the creators of our beloved songs were and are.
Those backing vocals! And Bill and Tony!
Even tho it is vintage 1981 anything from KC's "Discipline" still sounds fresh and original. Pound for pound, one of the best bands around. Period.
The golden age of Crim. No matter how many drummers they put in the band, they can't match Bruford.
I'm not going to argue for or against this sentiment but I will say, the current lineup actually is magical.
At least no drummer since can. Giles was damn good.
Fact
Absolutely!
I couldn't deal with Mastelotto after they got rid of Bruford. His drumming just sounded so leaden and inert. Bruford is the most *propulsive* drummer I've ever heard. He could move an aircraft carrier.
This is an incredible one! You've just given the ones who've listened to that track over and over a reason to go back and have a fresh, informed, new listen.
I think I'll go and learn the Chapman stick now.
The backing vocals are just magnificent. Drums and Bass valhala both spotless.
I never noticed the complexity of the drumming on this one before. A great perspective - I hope we get to hear more of these kinds of mixes. Thanks!
Great. Uncredible drumming of Bill and great singing of Tony. One of the best KC Song . Magical
The adrian vocal loop reminds me of kevin godley and 10cc... Had no idea that was in there. Very nice.
The foundations of a building are sometimes visible, sometimes inferred, most times hidden. But a building isn't a building without all the parts played. This recording is like looking at the plans and seeing the forces in the flying butresses.
Awesome analysis.
Nice gift for us Crim fans. Thanking you.
Pure brilliance. Speaks to the creativity.
Esto esta fantástico!!!! Mil gracias!!!! Estupendo! :) Escuchar y ver a Adrian, Bill, Robert y Tony por separado y juntos da una idea muy increíble de todo el trabajo que lograron !!! Excelente video!!!
Was fortunate enough to see them in Chicago this time around. Can't wait!
It's neat to hear Bruford's unique kit isolated, thanks for sharing this.
A lot going on in this song. Great to hear these isolated tracks. fun.
I really like this version, wow what a band.
Best drummer ever
Holy shit!! Brilliant! Its so great to hear these tracks!
Sweet! Very interesting, give us Crim fans more!
One word...FANTASTIC!
Speechless. So much layers to the music! Bruford and Levin is one of the greatest rhythm section ever.
I was head over heels for this version of Crim.
That vocals sounds like heaven
Nice to hear the bass loud. Plenty of details I can't hear on the recordings. amazing
I know it's a stick! ;)
All King Crimson in back tracking... ... a dream !!!
I'm all singing the song over the backing track...out of key, of course. Just reminds me what an incredible collaboration these four guys were...so damned original.
Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp. May 1981. "Frame By Frame": Isolated rhythm and backing tracks
We’ve been listening KC quantum mechanics without realizing it.... this is unbelievable...thanks thanks for posting this 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Stripped to its bare essence, the song has an exciting power all its own. They should release a rhythm only mix of this album. I'd buy it.
the synth goes totally unnoticed in main track
this is great! its so amazing to hear the individual ghost notes on the snare and the rhythms going on with the right hand on drums
Great lp. Still sounds creative, experimental. ❤
What a beautiful textures!
These ambient swells are really enchanting!
Actually
Albeit unique
-Reminiscent of Michael Giles´ "Progress"
Bruford pulls - where every other standard /off the shelf/ drummer - would push.
no Slapdash
Levin accents the language and masters the dynamics.
Forever indebted to these men.
What is better than King Crimson?
Nothing.
even alternate mixes.
This is awesome! been listening to KC for 35 years!! its almost like a different song, even without the rest of the band in evidence its warm and inviting. I love this!
I would love to hear the isolated vocal tracks, damn that would be amazing
I was just thinking that too
Great that someone was taking photos! so much fun to see!
Release more stuff like this
Adrian's vocals are *very* reminiscent of the vocals on Eno's Ambient 1.
melvotronic This is Tony Levin singing, not Adrian Belew.
>Adrian Belew’s sunny tape looped vocals
2melvotronic: they are indeed!
I think the confusion here is that melvotronic didn't specify which vocals he meant, because indeed both Belew and Levin are heard in this... I have a feeling he was talking about Adrian's tape-looped vocals, though
edit: wait he did specify because he said Adrian's vocals, i'm dumb lol... and apparently so are Cameron and Rodzilla :P just joking yall.
melvotronic - I see that this comment has gone over many heads...
2003Cpayne those heads are talking?
Bruford is one of the best drummers of all time !
Love Bruford's acrylic octobans here!
impressive - and i like the photos very much :)
Loved this lineup
Just heard this....Thanks! if you are still around.
Fascinating to hear these.
It sounds a bit like Tony Levin is playing the Twin Peaks theme at the start :)
Genius band.
Tony Levin and Bill Bruford. Now that's a rhythm section!
I'm non-drummer (guitarist) and I've always loved every part of this song but I don't get why everyone says the drums are insane because it doesn't sound that technical to me. Can someone explain why Bill's drums on this song are so praised for their technicality?
Es bastante complejo lo que toca Bruford en este tema. Al escucharlo no parece gran cosa, pero hay un montón de dinámicas, notas fantasma y cosas técnicas que requieren ciertos años de dominio del instrumento. Soy baterista y llevo 17 años tocando, en el momento que llevaba 10 años practicando, no creo que haya podido tocar este tema
Have you tried playing it lol
Because they are sycophantic fan bois that can't be objective. As a drummer, I can tell you it's not terribly difficult to play, or learn to play. However, what Buford lacked in technical brilliance, he more than made up for in inventiveness. Most drummers wouldn't have thought of this rhythmic pattern, and does it ever work. This album is a masterpiece, IMO. Check out "sheltering sky" for another example of a fairly simple rhythm that's just genius in how perfectly it fits.
I don’t really know what “technicality” means but I can speak to what’s going on here. For DISCIPLINE Bill has pretty much junked riding on hi-hat or cymbals. So instead what you hear start up at 0:38 is left hand on snare and right hand on gonbops (similar to Tama’s Octabans which would come later) in a mixed single-/double-stroke pattern, with accents in the snare on the three and the “ee” of the bar instead of the two and the four. As far as sheer technique goes, though - in the intro listen to how clean and even those rolls are being played on those tabletop-hard Simmons pads.
THIS IS FROM THE OFFICIAL CHANNEL?
Hail the King!
Mr. Fripp, I would like to thank you for making the Crimson back catalogue available to those of us with Apple machines!!! None of my Crimson discs will play on this iPad!!!...
awesome!!! never knew that those sounds in the chorus part was singing! :O
...nice drums, i like it :)
King Crimson was the BEST during these years...ALL ABOARD...Astounding.
That was just awesome to hear.
More of these please!!!!
Rey Carmesí !! Thank you for your existence
is this a taste of a boxset based around the 'Discipline' album as we have seen for the 70s line up?
This is form the Discipline 5.1 remix edition made by Steven Wilson
Frame by frame (suddenly)
Death by drowning (from within)
In your own, in your own analysis
Step by step (suddenly)
Doubt by numbers (from within)
In your own, in your own analysis
Frame by frame (suddenly)
Death by drowning (from within)
In your own, in your own analysis
Step by step (suddenly)
Doubt by numbers (from within)
In your own, in your own, in your own analysis
Wow amazing.
that brian eno sound where there's a sorta sub level doing an ambient thing next to the band.. heady stuff
Da miedo King Crimson son lo mejor de lo mejor.
Great idea thank you
Sweet, thanks!
do these versions exist for the rest of the tracks on the album? I'd pay for an alternate album like this.
just imagine how mindblowing is an alternative version like this of Indiscipline
Check out the surround mixes! If you drag the tracks into a daw like pro tools or even audacity, you can solo certain tracks on each song. Sometimes there are multiple instruments in certain tracks, but others, like Tony's bass, tend to live in their own track on the surround mix(:
Guys, how can i download this masterpiece? Just can't find link on DMGLive as described, unfortunately..
Masterful...
sounds totally different but still amazing
Levin 3:40 and 3:46.
amazing
King Crimson musica del cielo.
Just... wow...
I wonder if Bill ever told Fripp to get that ****en smirk off of his face. Or more likely how many times he had to do that.
1:10, it reminds me of the synth and organ pad that was used on National Health's first part of "The Bryden 2-Step (For Amphibians)"!
very cool
Awesome
Unfortunately the Simmons drums are missing here. All you can hear of them is the "clacking" noise in the overheads when Bill Bruford does the fills. Oops..!