Why has sex become so important? | J. Krishnamurti
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Why has sex become so important?
Extract from the twelfth conversation with Allan W. Anderson in San Diego, 1974.
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Essentially he is not taking a stance on whether sex itself is wrong or not - one of the main emphases of the teachings - and it is also clearly expressed here in this video - is to not blindly follow opinions, thoughts, religion, philosophies of others - i.e not blindly taking a stance and becoming a slave to it.
What he is saying, however, is that sex has become tainted and saturated with ideas, lusting for it, over-analysing it, being obsessed with ideas about it, and also using it as a form of escape because our lives are uncomfortable - no different to the alcoholoic who escapes to his whiskey bottle when he has to face pain.
And is Krishnamurti wrong in any of this? Is it not ironic that this was recorded, what - in the 70's/80's ? And everything he is saying is completely TRUE to today! It's 2023 as I am writing this. Look at our hypersexualised culture. Sex is a basic, physical act, but now it has turned more into a thing you talk about, lust about, and long for in endless varities, fetishes, etc.
Is it not ironic that a random 13-year-old who has never even touched a girls hand, let alone done anything remotely intimate, is addicted to pornography and is becoming brainwashed by these unrealistic depictions of sex?
I would say this is the first time I have truly understood what celibacy is. The moment you clearly start experiencing the oneness, that is the moment you become celibate. All the differences of man and a woman get wiped out and remains is the oneness, the love.
I think it's just about finding something better to do, than to look for sexual or romantic partner. The reason why sex became such a big deal, is because most of us have no better purpose. When humans have purpose in life, whatever it might be, sex probably just becomes something that one doesn't think about, or just for making babies.
Of course if one gets enlightened, one can probably be able to have no desires. But enlightenment is a very rare thing.
Plus celibacy works only if one is completely content with it. And in most cases people just try to convince themselves they're content this way.
in even trying to practice mysticism (any form to be honest) on a regular basis, there comes a point where one can realize how they aren't that attached to sexuality as they were before; this inward-turning and dissolving of the perceived borders between me vs. everything else, me vs. "I" (subject-object fall into eachother, like some singularity), it lead me to believe that it's a natural part of the whole mystical process and the rules about celibacy or purity before marriage were "putting the cart before the horse"
without the realization the rule is useless, although it might be there as something to help the process unfold, but if one isn't a mystic and just wants to live a normal life, then it's really useless (other than upholding societal cohesion and order)
You speak as if being a celibate is a virtue! If you believe it is a virtue, what is the pull factor? And conversely, what do you think will affect you if people think you are not or unable to achieve celibacy?
First time I.also hear such a meaning for sex exists.J.K.is a.challenge to human mind.
There is transcending sex. Once you rise above the body, the upward flow of energy, sex is just a biological function and no longer a motivator in life. Just like urinating is not a motivator. The downward flow of energy goes to the genitals. So lower is biological function, the animal, the monkey, and the upward flow is obvious, heart, mind, and the universal being.
Sex has become very important for humans not as a means of escape,but because they have not been able to channelise their boundless energy in creative pursuits. Sexual urge is natural but this should be ensured that our daily life activities should not be hampered by that madness .
This will be possible if we carry out other creative activities that can engage our minds and at the same time than can help us to understand our own psych. For this deep alertness is required
In that way, finding a true balance is Key.
Letting sex control ur life is no good, But at the same time, not enough can drive many people crazy.
👁🗨 have been on both sides of the coin, where 👁🗨 recently went without no sex, no ejaculation or masturbation 4 months (Semen retention/No fap),
But 👁🗨 went thru years in the past of just masturbating multiple times a day, only thinking about sex & Not using that sexual energy 2 more of a creative aspect.
Now, 👁🗨 find a balance 2 channel My sexual energy 2 doing something. But, using that energy at least twice a week thru sex or masturbation. It makes me feel balanced out.
Other creative activities would be to just to cover up the urge when the whole society is obsessed with it. Sex has become a currency in the mondern world.
Look at Tribals they just don't attracted to it even they are naked and looks even healthy which attracts modern men, but not to them. Surprising Tribal psych is much healthier than us.
He opens our mind not like the fake guru's who Play with sentiments
Man..! The only person who cuts through everything/ topic. Hats off 🙏🙌👏
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There is full playlist conversation between j Krishnamurthy and w Anderson
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Krishnamurti is a spiritual lion. Fierce. Truthful. Direct. Truth pours from his eyes and his words and his mannerisms.
Bring it out! 🙏🍁
Yes yes yes, I agree with you sir rest in peace
Words of great love ❤️ to our Brian
Thank you fro all the poepel whois made thsi available for us to watch. i bow down to you with deep love from the bottom of my heart. ANd for teh guru ji krishnamurthi. THank you one and all...
I absolutely loved this
Funny, I'm in this moment wondering - maybe love is when one reads the comments and just reads them, instead of thinking "no, no, no. Let me explain you how it actually is"?
Personally I find myself thinking"let me explain how it actually is"...
Thank you
it,s a blessing two understand what K really means...
"I must reward myself and other"
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thanks lesson 😘
Have anybody felt that anchor or the person sitting right next to JK sir how uninterested he was in that conversation.... Jk sir repeatedly get excited about everything he spoke ... It's evident from his eyes how they sparkle in between.... I really love the way he explain everything with so much depth ☺️☺️☺️
Great talk...👍👏
It is very rare that our produces people like him.
which is a great point to consider when trying to understand the human condition
that is sad thing。。。
Grt... personality .......
Loved the interviewer
He is minded to make ideologies to deny ideologies. genius
Yes it can exist ✨
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The best argument I've ever heard against why a kind of brotherly communal love for each other, without discrimination, and expressed daily would not work is its sheer impracticality. We could not stop with each stranger on the street and confess our sins, state our good intentions, and share our stories. It would take too much time. The best you can do is find something your good at, you enjoy, the world is in desperate need of, and you can make money off of (ikagi) and love humanity through your labor.
Belief vs seeking
Assumption vs questioning
Salvation vs liberation
Hallucination vs consciousness
Doctrine vs dharam
Exclusive vs inclusive
Foreign vs Native
Damnation vs karma
Beginner vs advance
Generalisation vs Personalization
Uniformity vs unity
beautiful Tha k you.
Are you looking or just playing what you don't know?
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Wow wow wow!!, 18:59 & upwards is.... WOW!
I don't understand why pleasure is divisive
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This vid should have 1,3 biljon likes so the world would understand what love is and sex is complementary not a main objective. Many people are being hurt by the goal sex has become. Have fun and love but don't hurt other because of what you think is a target. Love yourself so you can feel if you love others, all that comes behind is complementary.
True, I always wonder about it. I watched some great videos of him and other great people about the freedom but has very few likes and views. I think fundamentally we are attached to our senses and senses made us mechanical Robots who lives in memories and in past. God bless us with Love.
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the logical thinking of life is aways the truth of life it 's a pure of your mental of thinking if you understand
He was her treasure
The source of her pleasure
She was his treasure
The source of his pleasure
They thought they were in love
They were
With themselves
All they'd arranged
Was a consensual pleasure exchange
To assuage their pain
But like everything else
The time came
When things changed
Strangely
Only the pain
Of their loneliness remained
Soon each was in search again
For a new treasure
At the Pleasure Exchange
Great!
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Yes the love of God, if cultivated properly, eliminates the need for sexual intimacy as the intimacy with God is so much greater. For those called to marriage sexual intimacy is a complimentary gift, but I prefer oneness with God, although I am not yet there!
He is judging a society that is not ready, from the point of view of an ideal human being. People like Krishnamurti lived to show us what we should become. But there is a process. A world suddenly full of Krishnamurti, would be useless for the Consciousness in order to experience. I've never seen Krishnamurti talking, only had read his sayings. I see in his eyes disapointment... But why? It's like being disapointed that a child is a child and doesn't understand things that an adult understands. Things are just as they were meant to be. The actual human being in in a process. Krishnamurti and others lime him just came during this process, like strangers to a world. They just should accept that they were born as an example to the rest of humanity, but the humanity has it's process to go trough and it will experience separation for many more years untill the times of ONE will come. It is all experience! Why judging so much?
You put that beautifully!
No he’s not judging. He is presenting a possibility to help people, help make a change in the world (which he thinks to be positive), just like the Marxists or communists ideals still strives toward forming a better world. They are all right, but as you said, in their own time and space, the time which has perhaps not come. But, perhaps we can decide by slowly adapting to the ideas we want, and see whose time comes first. If that idea is profound and natural, which the people understand over time, it shall succeed in establishing itself as a norm.
yes he is disappointed....but he is not judging....he just wants society to question themselves.....and hence he tried way too much......he wanted people to talk to their true self and get the answer from that place....but the world was not ready then.....the audience was mere spectator at that time(exception may be there)........but now u see....it is reaching people ......this content is not to teach people.....The things he is saying cant be taught.....coz if you are understanding what he is saying ....it means you have already experienced it...................
Very interesting thoughts my friend. I do feel too he's judging, seems to me like a beautiful and usefull catch. Ive been reading Krishnamurti for a while and coundt put in words which emotion in his expressions bothered me. It was the judging. However, I dont feel he is judging someone else or a group in which he does not feel included. I feel he is rather judging ourseleves. I think krishnamurti was very counsciouss about the emotion (judgement) he was delivering. I think he was an inmensely counsciouss man. Given his sense of onneness, which it seems to me he lived in his own flesh every day (or at least a great part of the day), I woudnt see Krishnamurti consciously sitting in a judge or observation seat. I woud rather understand Krishnamurti feeling society in himself as it feels like the power of emotion he is delivery comes from the pain of society trying to drain through him. A society complainin about itsefl as a step in a process of change. I feel he didnt contained or blocked that emotion from his speech as he knew he was just a channel. From my point of view, that emotion that invaded him (judgement), was not an invasion from desire or imagination but (in some form or sense) instructed by a higher conscousness of love/oneness. I feel Krishnamurti consciouslly deliverd the judgment emotion because he felt it is what we needed, or need.
Thanks again for your thoughts.
From Peru, Stefan.
because he is not "perfect" himself. that's why. all perfected is out of this world. if someone is here, he have some deficiency in himself.
can anyone tell me their own experience of joy? I have forgot what joy is for long time..
Contentment, peace, wholeness. Like a warm beam of sunlight touching you from within.
Joy comes when you're not
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This is very subjective. Sex is a creative force of manifestation. People don't understand why some ppl were shunned from doing so and why some weren't. It's all about energy manipulation it is the root of why it's been labeled taboo In some areas and openly accepted in others. Not everyone has the same perception of sex until you gain true knowledge of self this answers will remain elusive. Introspection is key. Understand what it is for you.
That energy manipulation u r pointing at is again for some ambition. You want something so u manipulate energy too.
As just naturally we eat foods, will we do sex naturally?
You follow?
With the rise of materialistic influenced by abrahmic ideology cause the sexual more important then self realization tradition.
It should be insisted and repeated over and over again that Materialism is in fact child of abrahamic religions.
Without Materialism, the necessity of dualism to explain 'soul/consciousness' will also be removed. Its just interconnected lies that depend on each other.
Very interesting, could you elaborate on that?
We are second hand people. 🙏
Intellectually slave
Emotionally romantic
Sex is a escape! 🍁
Escaping for what reason, and where are we escaping from?
Two old people can talk about what's there in sex! 😂
The interviewer came up with Jesus and heaven reference in the beginning . . . later JK intentionally or unintentionally mocked n mentioned that people are 2nd hand in intelligence 3rd rate and we refer others.
10:14 "I repeat plate, aristotle or buddha or somebody." without mentioning Jesus here. spiritual slaves- christian refers jesus, hindu refers Rama, muslim refers allah, so on so forth without our intelligence.
I'm more focused on doing than just talking. I have a real question: can you give up having sex forever?
Can it be done? Yes. Is it trivial? No.
These unfortunate phenomenon can be explained by neo-platonic model.
Isn't it only for men mostly? Sex seems so important for men far more than for women.
many people don't understand the religion that you belived becuse just your family belived in that religion or belived some one else that they promiss that you will go to heaven I must correct one thing that buddhism don't want invoved with woman remember Budda have a family I wonder who said that it later on some monk miss unstanding could be say that
Ah yes fill up ur base instincts and shakras. With only sexual desire :) that's how your supposed to ascend :) soo correct
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