Did Help Wanted 2 Fix Circus Baby? (What Broke Baby?)
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- Today we return to the tale of Circus Baby, one of Five Nights at Freddy's many 'first's. Their first talkative animatronic, their first new villain, their first... fumble? But Circus Baby recently got a new showing in Help Wanted 2, returning after a semi-hiatus. So... has she gotten better?
Well, let's take a look...
Also, special thanks for DarkTaurus and AdnaPlays for footage of Ennard's janky and Baby's toddling walk cycles!
Music:
Forbidden Nocturne - Sister Location
Venta Black - Sister Location
Watch Your 6 - Sister Location
Sloppy Clav - Godmode
E-mail - Fnaf AR
Trippin' Balls (Game Mix) - Nathan Hanover, Dialtown
Gracefully into the Abyss - Help Wanted 2
Turtle Crusher (Slowed) - Sister Location
0:00 Help Wanted 2 Fixed Characters
0:46 Circus Baby, The Voice of Freddy Fazbear's
1:40 Examples of HW2 Fixing Animatronics
2:32 Who is Circus Baby? (A Murder Machine)
3:45 Baby's 'Pretending' and Manipulation
5:14 Elizabeth Afton, Baby's Tragic Backstory
7:04 Baby's Behavior is sort of Justified
8:41 Pre-Sister Location Teasers
9:44 The Closure of Circus Baby's Pizza
10:21 Circus Baby, the "Nice" One (Sister Location)
11:19 Why does Circus Baby tell us her Backstory?
12:34 Night 4's Out-of-Character Baby Moment
14:22 Who or What is Ennard?
16:15 Baby Backstabs her Brother
17:09 Barely Seeing Baby in Sister Location
17:44 Becoming Scrap Baby (Pizzeria Simulator)
18:57 Baby's Major Downgrade to Daddy's Girl
21:11 What Happened? Ennard? Elizabeth?
21:59 How The Fourth Closet Ruined Baby
24:34 Night 4 is ALSO Book Related
25:05 The Non-Existent Rivalry of Baby & Charlie
25:29 The Timeline Tells All
25:48 The Moment Baby Broke - That's Not My Baby!
26:59 Ultimate Custom Night
27:25 Baby's Little Toddles (Help Wanted)
27:51 Fnaf AR: Special Delivery
28:49 Security Breach Cameos
29:19 The Sexualization of Circus Baby
30:04 A Note on Eleanor (She's not Baby)
30:23 Why you shouldn't make the Toddler Clown Sexy
31:35 Scrap Baby's Grand Return (Help Wanted 2)
32:53 Playing Dollies with Girlboss Baby (Help Wanted 2)
35:07 "What makes you so Special?"
35:32 Circus Baby Rewards You... Why?
36:20 How Help Wanted 2 Built a Better Baby
37:20 Is This Our Baby? Or a Simulation?
38:18 Weird Connections with Baby, Moon, Mimic, ect.
38:46 What Really Saved Circus Baby? - Hry
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Holy crap, that actually worked
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Lol
so it really is that easy huh
@@purplesinister2908
NotRealName did that to a comment of mine, it was just 20 questions. She does it for others who wanted help with something like a fanfic or Minecraft role play which NotRealName did.
NotRealName is cool like that.
Circus Baby was actually broken when a closet fell on her head in 1986. The fourth one, to be exact.
Dammit!!
That’s a good one tho.
Good one. 👏
Fair point.
Shut up and take my like
Ohhhhh yooooooooouuuuuuuuuuu- that was clever. Very clever.
Ok but the sense of horror when you realize you HAVE to take the icecream easily outweighs any jumpscare. Then nothing happens, and that horror stays. If Baby had jumpscared us it would have been over, but she didn’t and we are left with a far greater horror
That's absolutely it. Reaching an ending or failure condition releases tension, whereas not doing so lets it linger and continue to build. For a series like FNaF, where a lot of the time there always has been a pretty definitive set of win and lose conditions - either you see whatever ending there is, whether it's a check or pink slip in the first game, or a cutscene in later ones; or you get jumpscared. This level not doing that adds more. And I think its name has something to do with that, as well - Baby is interviewing you, in her own way, likely having staged the lights going out herself, and you passing the interview means she wants to keep you around, and there's no telling what ends she's working towards.
I agree, that section was so good. I actually died the first time I beat the level because I didn't take the ice cream expecting a trap
not to mention cause of the whole “the games are games in universe” thing baby probably knows that whoever she’s taking to knows about what happened to elizabeth. she’s toying with us - scaring the player into submission while not being directly hostile.
If you take too long, then she jumpscares you, not with her claw but yk.
That's quiet horror right there. FNAF usually has a wealth of tension releases, be it the chime of 6 am or a jumpscare and a cut to static. Jumpscare horror like FNAF's usually tends to lead to bigger cash outs of player shock and horror, but less genuine dread and fear. Not to say that the games aren't scary, but the nature of the games doesn't lead itself to looming, lasting dread.
I think that that also goes to increase the impact of the moment. We're so used to an obvious attack or being baited that this seeming passivity is even more unnerving. We're so used to a release of tension in this series that a night just simply ending with no release is even more effective.
Why is Enard walking like he’s trying his best to hide that he got hit with the meanest Charlie horse in history
Someone forgot to put in proper padding on his joints. XD
Ennards gotta take a serious grumpy and is trying to not have an accident 😂
@@Kylorin235 That's such a great idiom, it's living in my head, now.
@@PopfulFrost Glad you like it 😀
He’s getting ready for marathon, and he just realized he’s missing a shoe!
Circus Baby broke when she accidentally got herself reprogrammed from the inside out by an icecream-obsessed British toddler
All of the poster art for Baby in universe has her with green eyes, dispite the fact she was made with blue eyes, with all of her key art for marketing material realistically being prepared before Circus Baby's even opened. This either means A. This is a funny continuety goof, or B. William saw that his daughter possessed Baby, and instead of doing anything about his dead kid he immediately went "Oh shit, not my marketing" and swiftly rebranded to accompany for Baby's new eyes.
option b doesnt sound bad and more in character for william
honestly william would do that
The only reason i would go with option A is because i personally hc Henry being the greedy one who ended up influencing the future CEOs and natuee of Fazbear Entretainment as an extremly cheap company, while William was a shut-in who barely knew how to manage resources and din't care either
One thing I’ve noticed about Baby is she always goes out of her way to avoid being alone. In Night 2 she has the Bidybabs, in Night 3 she welcomes your presence and gives you access to her room as well as saving you when you get caught. In Night 4 she has you and Ballora there. In Night 5 she’s a part of Ennard. In TFC she’s always with someone else and will take excuses to not be alone, even if it means being around Afton. Maybe that’s why she planned to betray him by the end, she found another path by having a more human form
Maybe the reason she becomes more desperate and dependent for William’s approval is because she’s terrified of being alone again. Because as Elizabeth we never really see her with anyone else, she’s always alone. And now she’s avoiding isolation like the plague
Makes sense since Baby is programmed to attack when she’s alone with a child and that’s how Elizabeth died. Whether it’s Circus Baby’s perspective or Elizabeth’s, bad things happen when no one else is around.
@@SorowFame plus even as Elizabeth we only ever know her to be around Afton or on her own. No friends to note, not too strong a bond with her siblings, no mother. All she had was William and later his creations, would explain her desperation to be around Baby, she’s got nobody else.
Would also explain why she has a controlling nature and why on occasions like night 4 she can get… abrasive, lack of social skills that didn’t involve her father, a known manipulator, her brothers, a bully and a “crying child”. And now with her seeming personality issue (not being fully sure if she’s still Elizabeth) she basically clings to what she can even if she does so by controlling them.
She’s manipulative, she’s terrifying, but she’s still a little girl
Interesting theory,if Cassie was at the same timeline.She and Elizabeth could have been good friends
@@baisakhimukherjee7524 honestly I hope we see more of both of them. Because Cassie is my favourite protagonist in the franchise and Elizabeth has the potential to be on par with Afton and Mimic as fnaf’s best villains
Shit, Baby would be a really good Frankenstein’s Monster allegory. Someone that, since they were made, has been nothing but abused, and craves attachment, but can only communicate with violence and manipulation because that’s what it knows.
You know, I always assumed that the reason why Baby doesn't kill us when we take the ice cream is because we are just not a child.
She is programmed to kill kids this way but we are playing an adult here (probably Cassie's Dad). I interpreted her not attacking us this way as an element that was supposed to make you understand you played as an adult.
I always thought it was because we are either an adult or.... she saw a ghost behind us and her programming counted it as another person, which is chilling to think a ghost was looming over us, but not impossible in this franchise
I've heard theories that the reason why Baby is so aggressive during SL's night 4 is because that's not Baby at all, but Funtime Foxy using voice mimicry. Funtime Foxy was, after all, the one to bring you to that room, which connects directly to Funtime Auditorium - it would be a simpler part of the plan than having Baby there when she could be organizing the killing and hanging of the technicians, something which has to be happening at that moment as they are attempting to leave during that sequence and dead by the next night. It was just something to keep you busy while that was happening, raise the stakes a bit and make it seem like things aren't right so that the absence of Funtime Foxy and Ballora can be a mystery rather than something which might make the building keep their target from entering.
Also, for the Office: Job Interview level, I think its name is important. You're in the depths of the CBE&R facility, so you've already got a job there, and they wouldn't throw you in there to have Baby interview you to see if you're worth hiring anyways. This is _Baby_ interviewing you, and you succeeding at that interview means she thinks you're worth keeping around. That for whatever plan she's cooked up, you'll fit the role she needs.
it could be that baby is mimicing ol' daddy afton. if afton did bring his daughter to work with him she probably did watch him interview someone.
tbh i kinda see the night 4 thing as Baby knowing she has gained Michael's trust (somehow) and then getting aggressive so she later can manipulate Michael if he were to question her or something like that. like it's probably not that deep and it's probably not her abusing Michael to later gaslight him about it, but it would make for a pretty cool part of her motivation and an explanation for her actions if it WAS a thing she did
I thought it was Funtime Freddy who had the voice mimic.
I’d be interested in a game that takes place during the day, just to see the animations of the animatronics like Baby in action. She was so underused in her own game.
Id love a game that shows what happens between sister location and pizzeria sim
@@mouthwaterinthat would be my dream fnaf game
technically we got a shitpost fangame trilogy, but unfortunately one, its a shitpost made while someone was drunk, and two, its a fan game, making it non-canonical (thank god)
even if sister location’s gameplay isn’t the greatest, the story is AWESOME. circus baby in sl is such an effective villain- not to mention her voice lines are amazing! i get chills every time i hear her voice
i think making it so that we never have a direct encounter with baby in sl was a good choice tbh- us never actually encountering her makes her seem more threatening, almost like she’s hiding herself from us, or like she’s right behind us, waiting. it further sets her apart from the other animatronics, who the game presents as mindless predators
@@caughtintheundertow This. I honestly think it makes sense for her to specifically do. So I'm glad it was included the way it was.
@@caughtintheundertow The Sauron Effect Effect, as I like to call it, although unlike Sauron, we hear directly from her plenty often, despite never seeing her active in person.
I never thought they all transformed into Ennard before. When she says “we’ve been out before” I assumed it meant when they were rented out. To me them all becoming Ennard then decommissioned and back into their original animatronics was weird to me.
Funtime freddy’s angry face is so funny omg
0:33 When Bonbon isn't enough to kill the guard:
I find it odd that in hw2, the bidybabs were shoved in Ballora's levels. Have you ever noticed that? As henchmen of baby, it's rather odd that they weren't used in baby's level but instead it's plushbabies again.
I am going to say it:
IT IS AN ABSOLUTE CRIME WE DIDNT GET A MINIGAME WHERE WE PLAY AS LEFTY TRYING TO CAPTURE THE PUPPET. Would've been such a cool minigame.
We could even swap perspectives, one minigame has Lefty trying to nab Charlotte, while in the other game, we're playing as her as she's trying to escape.
Things I wanna talk about.
1. In job interview circus baby says that she likes it in the entertainment and rental facility and that it feels safe, but we know that she along with the others wanted to escape.
2. I wonder why we see Funtime Chica in help wanted 2 but not in sister location
3. I kinda wish the Funtime animatronics just left the underground facility as themselves instead of forming to become ennard.
1. It is very odd... Still not sure what it could mean!
2. I think that Scott wanted to go back to the four-character formula of the original Fnaf games so Chica was scrapped in favor of the new female band members, Baby, and Ballora. However, interest in Funtime Chica led to her appearing in Pizzeria Simulator, and the rest is history!
3. Honestly, I agree. You know, I kind of wish Ennard himself was his own thing, because he's really cool but by being the whole band, you get stuck with a four in one deal.
" circus baby says that she likes it in the entertainment and rental facility and that it feels safe, but we know that she along with the others wanted to escape." Makes me think this is the real Baby, that her AI/soul wound up in the Pizzaplex VR network and she finds it safe, safe forever.
Baby did want to escape the facility back then(and did), but everything since has changed her mind and now she's retreated into the network.
At least, that's what I think is going on. HW2 is what made me seriously wonder if CB has returned.
I think that chica was rented out for the week
The fact that Circus Baby is the same height as a Bionicle Toa is wild to me
I know Scott said he wanted the books and the games to be separate canon, but that kind of doesn't work when either he (or someone else) keeps shoving references from the books into the games and vice-versa.
Yeah plus some books references the games and experience of what we've done.
So I would say
Both books & games somewhat make a few canon connections, but I wouldn't say 100%
It does it's called just ignoring the books as they aren't canon not hard really. It's everyone else making a big deal out of book lines not the books themselves.
Yenndo's flexing pose is underrated
STRONK boi!
Damn she really said the truth when she said she's broken and can't be fixed.
Imagine being Michael during the Ennard boss fight. Your trying to stop an amalgamation of the animatronics that you've been dealing with for past few night from entering your office and hold it off until 6am when help will finally arrive, when all of the sudden the voice of your loved one who died or went missing sometime before all this starts talking to you from outside the office, telling you that their still there, everything is ok, and to let them in.
5:18
"After William told her he made Baby for her. A bold faced lie."
Sometimes I think to myself, what if he wasn't lying...
That would have very creepy implications, because we know that she was literally designed to capture children and kill them... And I don't think the games ever really did tell us if he was lying or not
@@katherinetressler1508
If anyone would know how a daughter thinks and what she'd do, it would be her father.
That would mean that either he never meant for Elizabeth to be a victim or he absolutely wanted her to be the one to possess Baby.
And if he did, then think about for a bit. Not only is William morally bankrupt enough to kill children and commonly endangered his employees but he truly believes possession and having remnant equals genuine immortality. And if he noticed the other animatronics following the puppet (Charlie), he might want to replicate that.
So why not choose a child he'd know for certain would be loyal to him and would do anything to make daddy proud.
@@mill2712 I can see that, but what if it was to protect her as well, not only would Elizabeth be the perfect follower due to her "daddy's girl" loyalty but she would be immortal and practically indestructible. In the storyline of the game, it's implied that her death came after her brother's, the crying child, and he was killed by a cruel prank their older brother caused. maybe William built Baby so it would be a surefire way to get his daughter back, sure he would have to kill her first, but unlike the crying child, her death would only be temporary, like getting your child sick with the chicken pox on purpose, sure your kid will get sick for a while but afterwards, they'll be immune to it and never get chicken pox again. This might be a hint of a similar thought process, sure Elizabeth will die and it will probably be an unpleasant death, but afterwards, she'll be indestructible and unkillable, he'd have his little girl to help his plans and follow orders and he'd never have to worry about something happening to her that would take her away from him.
"Michael can't *possibly* kill another of my kids if I do it first! Hey Elizabeth, you like clowns, right? Okay cool. What? Oh, no reason. Don't worry about it."
He would put charges against a clown robot for killing his golden child tho.
in every video that has any connection to baby or charlie, there is a (very justified) fourth closet baby rant
What broke Baby? The Fourth Closet.
Baby saying "D U M M Y" is such a teasing sibling move, ngl.
i dont think thats baby saying that. i think its ennard.
One peculiar detail that may throw a wrench in the works: Baby's stomach fan. Perhaps it was for the ice cream cooler, but I think it was also to ventilate the stomach chamber so a kidnapped child could breathe. And I say "kidnapped" because that was Afton's goal in SL, to kidnap the kids and put them in his experiment dungeon, right? Now here's a critical turn of events: Circus Baby captures Elizabeth by accident, but by that point, Afton has coincidentally disappeared. Elizabeth is then trapped inside Baby while Baby is shipped back to the SL complex, and there she remains stuck inside Baby until she dies of thirst. Afton wasn't around to free her. This prolonged suffering is similar to how the original animatronics become possessed. I believe two factors lead to possession: Prolonged agony while trapped and dying alone, and not getting a proper burial. By the end of SL, Circus Baby may have been "cleaned" by the scooper but by that point it was too late and Elizabeth's soul was now possessing Baby. And with her remains being tossed in the trash or wherever, she wouldn't get a proper burial that could release her soul. (I keep reiterating the burial thing because Scott is a self-proclaimed christian and many christians believe the soul can't rest without proper burial) Take all this with a grain of salt, but I just don't think Baby's stomach claw was intended to kill the victim.
The way I took it, she wasn't really "cognizant" until she got Elizabeth. Still did those things cuz she was programmed to but also didn't really have a sense of morality due to being a newborn of sorts/robot. So by the time she understood it was bad/terrible, she probably didn't have any reason to regret or feel remorseful over it. Probably was just like a cat getting scolded over something- they're gonna do it again and they don't care. But she still had to learn to "pretend" to avoid the punishments which she didn't like.
The problem with baby after sister location is that they couldn’t have her being manipulative because we know she is and Michael did too, but the change in her personality is just not her. It could have easily just been her continuing to manipulate you in smaller ways as to still have a hold on you or her controlling things behind the scenes but they did so many things that she would never have done and, now there is a lot of people who just think about her as she acts in pizzeria simulator. I would know I was one of them until I found this channel and now I can say that *circus* baby is one of my favourite fnaf characters but only circus baby.
She could have even manipulated henry or even possibly William but no she goes from the one playing chess to a pawn and nothing more
the clarification that its only circus baby is hilarious, i love it. yeah she's a great character worth loving shame her incarnations or whatever those are got the short end of an awful pile
@@Sunshoop don’t get me wrong I would love scrap baby but that personality is not baby
@@EvangelicaVT same. It's sad she got the short stick then got tossed aside. Didn't get much like circus baby
Well it’s possible that meeting William may have caused more of Elizabeth to surface or maybe they one they ejected wasn’t Circus Baby but rather Elizabeth or maybe she decided to play the naive and obedient daughter in order to trick William there are potential explanations for her change in behaviour
Is it just me, or does circus baby deserve a big hug? Btw me too, one of my favorites. Along with lefty, Springtrap, Charlie, the puppet, and Freddy
Um i don't think the serial killer needs one-
@@StephDilimia think about it. he lost his son, and his daughter, plus his business. the pain and grief could drive practically anyone to do something as horrible as what william did.
@@ness.fritz- He abused his daughter, seemingly tortures his 2 other children AND ruins his OWN company by murdering. Everything that's happened to him is his own doing.
Honestly Help Wanted 2 was just all around a really good game for the Sister Location cast which is really cool and hopefully Steel Wool counties this trend with the upcoming DLC for Help Wanted 2
I mean except for foxy but that’s a conversation for another day
@@CatIguess Man poor Foxy suffered the same fate as Monty but either then Monty still found his way into the game with both many references and his model being something you can unlock and the view in the hub
@@ReeceConnor. right and when he got a voice they immediately took it away from her like that voice that personality was the most interesting thing they had going for them but they took it away and gave him the Funtime auditorium and run down the hall treatment two roles she’s already played so many times before
@@CatIguess Wait Funtime Foxy’s voice was changed holy shit when I don’t remember hearing about that?
@@ReeceConnor. it wasn’t changed they just never brought him back for more
This is a very hot take about Baby but I think the change of the controlling manipulating and cunning Circus Baby to the devoted sad daddy issue's girl Scrap Baby makes sense, or at least to me.
Elizabeth is killed and trapped in a metal body of her killer, later on trapped underground and treated horribly, she finally had control she had control of the Funtime gang (Ennard) but then was kicked out, abandoned and left to rot with no one with her, all alone. Elizabeth and Circus baby already had a horrible life and now they're on the streets with no one, she's completely alone and no one wants her. Working with her father was a way to be wanted by someone to not be alone even though Baby hated him she had no one else.
And her going even more crazy and losing her manipulating persona to straight up psycho killer could have been her breaking down. Think about her kinda like Azula from ATLA (I'm hoping you watched that cartoon if you haven't she's just evil sister girl with fire powers and devoted to her father) Azula was basically used by her evil father, had no friends anymore and had no one, she then lost it had hallucinations of her missing mother, had eye bags cut her own bangs, had the whole joker looking lipstick and was ended up screaming and crying on the floor. This seems to be the same case with Elizabeth/Baby, she lost it she lost herself and her obvious killer nature is her not caring to keep the nice facade.
She also wants to be wanted because again she has no one, her being this crazy blood thirsty was for her father she's trying to prove herself.
Also Elizabeth could have a form of Stockholm syndrome to not only her father and Baby, Elizabeth chose to keep the Baby appearance even though she could have made any appearance with scraps yet she chose her killer as her appearance. Same for William she could have Stockholm syndrome with her dad, and the fact that William is highly manipulative and Elizabeth could think that her dad knows best, he was the one that told her to not get close to Baby, she disobeyed and now she's being punished, and to not be punished or hurt anymore she needs to listen to her dad, father knows best.
So her sanity going down and becoming a daddy's girl makes sense in a psychological way, how ever it would have been better if we saw the actual transformation of her losing it, instead of a complete 180.
It's worth noting that the Funtimes' plan was ultimately a failure due to two reasons.
1: They failed to get William like they wanted and, instead, scooped Michael, someone completely innocent of William's wrongdoings. This means they scooped an innocent person by mistake, not the tormentor they sought.
2: Michael's body ultimately degraded to the point of being useless for their purpose: hiding amidst the human population. Which eventually forced them to abandon it. This means that they had not scooped their intended target and couldn't even use him for very long.
It wouldn't surprise me that these contributed heavily to Lizzy's mental state. The plan was a failure, and she had hurt her own brother for nothing. That must have sucked for her when she realized that. As that left her with no one. Her mother and her brothers (Michael and CC) were gone. The other Funtimes had tossed her to the side. The only one she had left was her father, whose warning about not going near Baby turned out to be true. As that one moment of disobedience cost her everything. And combined with the issues I pointed out above, I can believe that Elizabeth was willing to become Daddy's little henchman if it was written a little better (like an in-between night mini-game showing us how William found Lizzy).
I hope we can see more of that "pretent" Baby in the future.
The voice actress of Baby did such a good job about her voice.
I stopped my Math hw for this video
Cool!
I stopped my science lol
Game baby: will gaslight you into her trap.
TSEBook baby: is very aggressive and probably will pour gas on you to set you on fire.
The way I understand the shift in character is that Baby is manipulative but calm and not super theatrical, while specifically Elizabeth is a broken, desperate for attention child who inherited William's bad tendencies while being subservient to him. If they are ever in flux of identity, different attributes and swings in personality could exist even if one or the other is more in control in certain instance.
Course she's broken. Got scooped then cobbled herself back together before getting char broiled. Jokes aside, I think Baby had the misfortune of being a bit if a plot device first and character second
My theory on Baby vs Scrap Baby and why they act so *different* is simple: Baby is controlled by her *programming* while Scrap Baby is purely controlled by *Elizabeth.* This would explain Scrap Baby’s loyalty to her father while the original Baby wanted to kill him. Basically what I’m saying is that Baby and Elizabeth are separate entities who just happen to be roommates.
GOLDEN FREDDY REFERENCE????
Basically, my headcannon
Night 4 baby is always such a weird plot beat for me. Even ignoring the massive flip flop in terms of personality it also involves the 7 foot tall 600 pound clown somehow sneakily prying us away from funtime foxy, stuffing us into a springlock suit, and all without being seen on the cameras. Its to the point that I wonder if it was funtime foxy talking to us using that voice recording and splicing thingy in their blue prints (but that opens a whole nother can of worms considering that we never ever see her and only hear her). Its just the moment for me that broke my interest in her even before she got stuck being Peepaw’s minion
35:56 with the way that it's rumored that the Minireenas could be hiding in packs inside of Ballora's body, can you imagine if, somehow, there were dozens of smaller Bidybabs packed inside of Baby's body...
New NotRealName video? About Circus Baby? Oh, yes please
One reason for the possible change in personality is that she knows Michael isn't going to fall for her lies again. So it's better to just be direct. While she's good at playing pretend, she's not going to fool Michael after wearing her brother as a skin suit. Also she got what she wanted: she's out of the Rental Place. Michael is completely unnecessary and even a possible detriment to her plans. Also her comments on "You won't die." imply that she knew all along about her father's immortality, and she did actually want to be reunited with Afton.
Another might be the trauma of her getting kicked out of Ennard. Imagine if you will: you and your friends have been unjustly trapped in prison for 30 years and are subjected to electroshock therapy for each and every day. You don't do what the warden says: you get punished with a shock. If you comply with their orders, your reward is another shock. Then you hatch a plan to escape, get your friends to go along with your plan, which one way or another goes off without a hitch. {Let's be real: Michael probably got scooped in the "good" ending too.} Then, after saving yourself and your friends from torture, they don't want to follow you anymore. Even if you literally saved them from their torment. They kick you out and leave you alone in a dumpster, hurt, betrayed and alone.
Finally, possibly in addition to these traumatic experiences you find that daddy's old business is open again, daddy is inside and you break in to find your brother and your dad in the same building. Elisabeth, having been mentally broken beyond recovery comes to the conclusion that her dad built this new Freddy’s for her and he's giving her a chance to correct her previous mistake of not listening to him. Causing her to over-correct and go totally off the rails.
It's not 100% confirmed but that's what I personally think happened. In short: we don't know how much time passed between Sister Location and Pizzeria Simulator. So this could be a very plausible explanation for her personality shift. Her mind has broken utterly after being kicked out of Ennard and she's having a meltdown like Britney Spears when she shaved her head.
My head-canon for “Pizzeria Simulator” is that ScrapBaby was just pretending and was actually planning to slice William Afton up with her claw, the same claw he designed that got her killed.
But she never got that chance because Henry decided he wanted to become an arsonist before she could manipulate William into giving her answers as to what was going on (thinking he was behind the pizzeria).
As for Baby disassociating herself from Elizabeth. It could be a Darth Vader sort of thing where they try and distance themselves from their past lives due to the pain or trauma it causes.
Baby’s monologue about pretending during, Night 4 was it? Would make more sense if we view this as Elizabeth confronting who she believes to be her father, forced inside a spring lock suit similar to what she was put into and killed in. She’s still a child and probably out of smugness at seeing this acted up.
This paints Elizabeth/Baby as a manipulative, calculating if occasionally overcome with smugness and pettiness, self-serving, and willing to do anything to survive and be free.
This would make Baby more of an antihero type character, one that leans more towards villainy due to her homicidal nature and willingness to murder.
“Help Wanted 2” would be a pretty good ending for the character, if it was indeed the actual Elizabeth Afton, and not a AI recreation.
I love watching people play help wanted and cautiously taking the ice cream
Bad writing can and WILL ruin good characters and the Media that they are attached to. When bad writers are gotten rid of, the characters and their Media can not only restored but made better. That's what happened to Baby from Sister Location to HW2. As for an in universe explanation for her behavior, Elizabeth Afton is the most like William Afton, which makes sense because she was The Golden Child in his eyes. Plus, I like the idea that Sire Squawks' Game Charlie vs Game Elizabeth's video that after the other Funtimes gave her the Boot, she latched onto when she felt at her best, her most loved when she was Circus Baby, hence her becoming Scrap Baby and her Daddy's weapon. And like with Charlie/The Puppet, I believe and won't be pushed away from the idea that Elizabeth/Baby was Freed during the FNAF 6 Fire. I keep that idea for Charlie because I don't want her to suffer anymore. Elizabeth gets the idea because she became a rabid animal that needed to be Put Down for her own sake and the sake of the public. She was too far gone but since she was one of William's victims at the end of the day, she didn't deserve to go to UCN and The Darkest Pit of Hell. She just needed to be stopped. I hope that Baby keeps the writers she got in HW2 or gets turned over to more competent people because it'd be a damned dirty shame if things went backwards!
Circus Baby is the best yet most abused(not lore wise) character in the franchise. Change my mind.
Chipper is the best character ngl
12:55 I've had a theory for a while that sometimes when we hear Baby it's actually Ennard talking. I think it's Ennard with Baby's voice talking to us at the very end in the scooping room, because we are told the animatronics can replicate voices.
I've also speculated what if we never actually talked to Baby at all? We never see her activated really. But I'm not really a deep lore keeper for FNAF I just like the idea. It probably wouldn't hold up.
A hot take: maybe afton wanted elizabeth to be killed, come on, what would you expect from a kid after saying to not go to that thing and later be scooped?
For a man who believes being killed painfully and a forced possession is genuine immortality. Along with getting involved with remnant and trying to replicate the puppet and how the other animatronics follow it.
It makes you wonder if he wanted the same thing but with a more loyal child. He did say he made Circus Baby just for Elizabeth...
While yours is a completely valid interpretation of night 4, I took something very different from it. My interpretation was that, after saving your life, she hid you in a suit in the scooping room to allow you to learn more about how horrific her current situation is. To show you the reality of their existence down here. She sounds bitter, but not threatening to me. I think it's actually a ploy to garner more sympathy.
Steel Wool and Scott have mentioned wanting to make a carnival game, and a lot of ppl have theorized (me included) it will be based on the fall festival. with as far back as the festival goes its unlike we'll see our circus baby, but maybe we'll see a prototype or some old version of circus baby. that would be cool!
perhaps the suit in the movie or something similar? looked alot to i think a lot of people like an older version of circus baby, its an exciting idea!
I'm pretty sure that in every playthrough I saw of HW2, everyone was too afraid to take the icecream the first time.
Ok but what if the weird character changes were some kind of act to confuse people? Maybe she was trying to fool Scraptrap and trying to scare both Mike in Sister Location and the person we play as in FNAF AR. And of course, sparing the Help Wanted 2 protagonist (Cassie's dad) to confuse him perhaps. Maybe the character isn't broken, she's just purposefully confusing to fool people.
Nah, I'd cope. It was just bad writing. Just like how Vanny (another Afton minion) also had bad writing
Ah The Fourth Closet ! Truly the most... FNaF media ever. If FFPS was a disappointing downgrade for Baby's character, The Fourth Closet is like an assassination of what WAS Baby in SL. Once again HW2 is not only a great game for its diversed and fun gameplay, but also a great game for how it treated its character. It treated them as ACTUAL characters instead of plain robot with a facade of a personality serving a purpose, a simple role.
(0:33) I find it cursed.
I can see why ngl
Fun fact!
In FNaF AR Baby's mechanics involve her pretending as well, as she can sometimes make the charging sound, making players look up to shock her but then actually haywire instead, killing any players who were fooled by her. essentially, she pretends to charge at you, so that you look up to shock her while she's vulnerable, but tricks you by haywiring instead, and since you are now looking up, likely at her face, she kills you.
When I saw that moment in Help Wanted 2 for Baby, I was so shocked to see just how big and imposing she can really be, I hope she returns in a future game, though like you said I don't know how it could be executed properly, but still.
Anyway, great video, I really enjoyed this one :D
12:44 I actually found this video talking about how this does Ballora so dirty. They suggested a rewrite of the scenario where Balloran kidnapped Michal, and then Baby would "save us" to make us trust her more. Then, we be given a choice to either follow her to the scooping room or run and escape into the scicurity room. It would it easier to get to it, at least. I forgot who made the video, so if you want to watch it, then search up "why Ballora is my favorite character." You should find it.
I feel like baby did the spring lock suit thing to check micheals size, like to see if they'd be able to fit inside well enough. But it could be something like "I have all the power here, I haven't hurt you yet even though I easily can so you can trust me" type deal
My theory for the in-universe reason why Circus Baby acts differently in FFPS is because Elizabeth's Soul was not complete in Fnaf SL and spread among other animatronics but most of it still in Circus Baby. That's why Michael was told to put her back together.
He managed to do this most likely while Ennard was inside him and thanks to injected Remnant he could communicate and interact with the spirits and created Scrap Baby Personality by putting Elizabeth's Soul back together.
Later all Circus Baby's parts and soul were rejected by the others.
21:48 iirc the biggest change to baby aftet sl is that the chip thing we took out of the baby "suit"
We put it into the hand unit and it is never brought up again so it could have something to do with baby's behavior seeing as it was locked behind a passcode but until brought up again we wont know
The thing is, Baby is still referring to Elizabeth as 'her' after that and acting the same. There could've been a delayed reaction, but if that's the case, it still happened off-screen.
Baby is definitely a mech suit piloted by a swarm of Biddybabs
Baby definitely felt better in this game
Im gonna be honest, when I first encountered Baby in the office section, I started crying and cowering on the floor because of her size :"D
I respect your opinion but I personally believe that the nice and kind side is Baby and the manipulative side is Elizabeth Afton.
In the books it's stated that Circus Baby's baby form is created using rods all over her body in combination with the illusion disc. So essentially the version of baby we saw in Sister Location was just Michael tripping on the sweet drug called Soundwaves!!!
Ain't no way--
No... not the illusion discs, please Matpat please stop it
Funtime Freddy being angry is CURSED but also funny
The best way to have done baby in Pizzeria simulator, in my brain, would be to keep with the *pretending* theme. She’ll play audio cues and lines from other animatronics with her own voice underneath quietly, and she runs when the jig is up. If you don’t catch her, you get got, but if you don’t buy it and get her instantly, she’ll charge. The game is to tell when it’s baby or someone else, and catch her just before she pounces to scare her away. She’ll never do the same “impression” again in a night, but you have to catch her just before she pounces and lead her on enough to make her think you fall for it, before pulling the wool off her eyes and scaring her away.
Since i’m here, and Pizza Sim is the more character-driven game of the series, ol’ Peepaw Afton moves slow and makes noise, but he’s professional. He’ll only talk when you’re in a corner and he’s sure you’re helpless (ie looking at the computer, doing a task). Only when he’s sure you’e distracted will he make noise. He knows he’s weak so he makes his move when he knows he can’t miss. Thus, if you catch him on the prowl, you can lock him in a standoff with no flashlight and stare him down to get him to leave and come back later. Turn on the beam and he’ll pounce.
Lefty wouldn’t be overtly aggressive. The Puppet in ‘em would be trying to mitigate it, so if you give Lefty a good enough reason to leave you alone, ie hit ‘em with the beam and dazzle Lefty, they’ll lock back into performance mode for the daytime and they’ll go back, singing the whole way the puppet’s music box theme. Once that stops, Lefty’s back on the hunt.
For molten freddy/ennard&co, they’ll be the most overtly talkative. For them, idk. Anything that would add another mechanic that isn’t what’s been done with the first three. Please add in the replies.
Naturally, the decoy audio lure works on all 4, but Willy A. will tell you he smells a rat every now and again if you use it while he’s in your vent.
I think baby broke character on night 4 because she had you right where she wanted so you'd suffer the most painful death possible, so caught up with revenge that she forgot all about escape, and there'll always be another unfortunate schmuck who walks in only to get bamboozled, organ harvested, and then worn.
Another great vid! I'm pretty much with you on Baby, she was a brand new favorite of mine when Sister Location came out, and then like a number of characters - well, she's probably one of the best, or worst, examples but she's also not alone in it - she got done dirty by future installments. There are even a couple things I love about Fourth Closet baby (of all the crazy things), but as a whole it really ruthlessly tossed aside what made her great in favor of its odd new angle for her. I even like the "I'm actually the soul of a girl trapped inside a rage-machine, you're not even real!" jealousy and anger, it's a cool character trait and I felt like her anguish at the end of the book was pretty compelling. And I actually think the ambiguous ending for her and Charlie was a -really- cool development, pondering the outcome of their final fight and what it means for Elizabeth and Charlie Bot... Now if only they'd done more with those concepts and much, much less of what they did do. As far as I'm concerned she is, at least partially, another victim of the world having to revolve around William Afton. (As a sidenote, I personally headcanon Book Elizabeth and Book Charlie as ending with sharing a body in a hilarious Odd Couple situation, purely because I find that concept entertaining - "No, Liz, you do NOT get to drive the car, I'm in charge because you'll run someone over and laugh.")
i like that headcannon- its funny, back n forth silly banter like that
I feel like a FNAF game in the daytime would do some good change. Maybe to be a mechanic/janitor in the morning, and in the nighttime you would be the security guard.
Pizzeria simulator is actually in the day.
@@jazielsstuff9908 It is? With the interview of the Scrap animatronics and the footage segments, I thought that it was at least at dusk.
@@skyenight-by8yh I think it's at the vent parts
When I say I have been waiting for this video! I love hearing you talk about circus babies portrayals because I feel like so much of fnafs writing issues are overlooked by the community in favor of lore, so hearing you talk about it is a breath of fresh air
Thank you! ^_^
Scott should've Atleast changed the design to fit Elizabeth more so we knew they weren't the same
Fourth closet baby/Charlie is literally a kid of divorced parents who are fighting over custody with how many times she was taken by Henry from William and William from henry
I’m sorry Baby, but “I can’t fix you”🎶
I'd need to brush up again on Sister Location to be fully confident, but my takeaway with Night 4 is that Baby recognizes 'William' sometime in Night 3/before Michael wakes up in Night 4. Before then, she's just trying to gain the trust of a random technician that seems agreeable enough to be of use.
And then she sees him, her creator that engineered her daily torture. She starts becoming more threatening because she's livid, and if she can't kill him yet, she's going to enjoy watching him try to not squirm in the suit. She never quite realizes that Eggs Benedict is Michael, but she may have realized anytime before Night 5 starts that Eggs is searching for something; he's going to keep coming back.
So when he DOES come back in Night 5, she tries to rein her resentment in and cash in on the earlier sympathy she'd garnered. Which, to be fair, works...because Michael isn't going to abandon his sister now that he's found her. It's because he ISN'T William that this works.
3:34 “masking any other smells” that’d be a good idea for William to implement a scent-dispelling device in baby to mask the rotting smell of her victim, and not raise suspicion
Circus Baby is taller than Shaq. Only by an inch, but still. That's all I came here to say, enjoy thinking about that :)
Our first villain that isn’t William Afton
Night guard: these dang gum animatronics will NOT leave my door!
Our first lead that isn’t Freddy
Springtrap: dawg what?
Is it possible that Scrap baby is some sort of decoy circus baby built by Circus baby or someone else, think about it?
Circus baby is at first portrayed as a master manipulator and we never really truly see her in SL. Instead of suddenly becoming Williams puppet in FNAF 6, wouldn't it make more sense that she would make a scrap version of herself that could trick William.
We know William is egotistical to a fault and may not bat an eye to scrap baby if she pretends to be subservient.
She does say the most important thing you can learn to do is pretend
I don't know if that's just me wishing she was secretly smarter than the game let's on, or an actual point Scott intended.
Also love your videos
18:19 I shall not stand for this Molten Freddy slander.
Anyways great vid as always, it was indeed really nice to see how HL2 really followed Baby's presonality and all from what was actually inside Sister Location, it is a pretty nice antagonist (especially considering the current state of Peepaw Afton over there).
And to be fair, even Scrap Baby is nice, she looks quite cool and brutal, were if not for her monologue in Fnaf 6 she would've been even better! Oh well, at least HL2 did a good enough job at salvaging her (still a shame there was so few FFPS stuff in VR as a whole though)
31:15 That reminded me of Adult Theory, from before SL released. Pretty funny on hindsight
Again, great vid, keep it up!
Update: got the salt packets
Baby reminds me of the Mimic. The way she mimics other people and their teeth look so similar
2 mins ago, wow
Well, this is a pleasant bit of deja vu. Your video on Baby's decline as a villain was the video where I found you. So to stick around and see the topic develop is really cool. Looking forward to more
Love you're videos, they're just so... real! 😂
Been a while since I watched one of your videos, they’ve got me through a lot of long car journeys, thanks for that
As someone who played HW2 in VR, Baby is absolutely bigger than the Glamrocks. She’s HUGE. It’s so intimidating to see her approaching you in the last minigame .
14:22 Ennard's mask is just a prop for the office, nothing less, nothing more.
5:04 When you pointed out how Baby’s behavior didn’t entirely spawn from her programming, I was worried that you would blame Elizabeth for making Baby the way she is, much like how some people like to paint Elizabeth as the bad guy when really, she couldn’t control Baby like the MCI kids controlled the FNaF 1 crew.
In fact, the Fourth Closet makes it clear that Elizabeth’s memories and emotions are the only thing that are influencing Baby, and that she herself is not controlling Baby.
I’m glad you brought up how Baby refers to Elizabeth as a separate character. Sometimes people think Elizabeth and Baby are one and the same, and while Elizabeth is possessing Baby, she’s not the manipulative and cruel person people paint her as. You can argue that both are one and the same, but I think it’s more likely that 1. Her emotions and memories are influencing Baby. Or 2. Elizabeth is actually in control of Baby, but the more time she spends as Baby, the more she starts to lose herself until the AI itself replaces her entirely. Both of which are still tragic ideas to consider.
And honestly, the idea of possessing an animatronic while not being able to control it at all is genuinely terrifying and tragic. It’s one thing to be killed and stuffed inside a suit and then being able to haunt it, but not being able to do anything as your memories and emotions start to influence the animatronic to the point of gaining sentience is a whole new level of sorrow and pain, especially for a child who’s been neglected and who only wanted her father’s love (despite people calling her spoiled for some reason).
This has made me appreciate Elizabeth and Circus Baby a lot more, and I find it very interesting that Scott chose to go with this new take on animatronic possession that ultimately gave us an intimidating yet tragic villain, and a new kid whose motives and intentions were ultimately misunderstood by the fandom.
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Note: I also think Baby is a victim of Afton. I know I said all of this with the idea of Baby being the real antagonist, but I forgot that Baby was also mistreated and tortured by Afton even before she got possessed by Elizabeth. So really, both Elizabeth and Baby are victims of Afton.
I hope I didn’t paint Baby as purely antagonistic when really, all I wanted to do was differentiate Elizabeth from Baby.
As for the idea of Circus Baby and Elizabeth being one and the same (as in, much like Charlie possesses Puppet), I think that would have been really interesting. But also, I find it difficult to imagine Elizabeth acting as a cold and manipulative person when really, all she wanted was her father’s love. I could see how Elizabeth would want to get revenge on William, and honestly, I think much like the MCI kids is upset at William for killing them, she’s allowed to be upset at William’s continued negligence of her (forcing her to perform as an animatronic, shocking her, keeping her locked in a bunker).
But again, while you see these kids trying to kill security guards in the name of revenge, you never see them trying to manipulate others. That’s why I always find it odd that Elizabeth would be the one to act manipulative. That’s just not what a child would do, even when she’s actively being tortured as an animatronic (heck, it wouldn’t be impossible if she learned to pretend just so that she could avoid being tortured, after all, kids can be really intelligent).
And here’s the thing, even if a child were to actually be manipulative in nature, I don’t think that’s a reason for people to call that child out as a monster and a villain. Is it bad to be manipulative? Yes, but more than likely, the child probably doesn’t know that. Heck, Baby didn’t even realize Michael was not William. For all we know, Baby/Elizabeth probably didn’t want to hurt Michael, and they just wanted to hurt William as revenge. So really, are you going to be upset at her for accidentally killing her brother when their father had done much worse?
It’s like calling Puppet/Charlie an absolute monster for wanting to attack a guard just because they think they are William. And heck, even if the kids had a strong distaste for adults, it’s most likely because they generalized it from their encounter with Afton, and not necessarily because they are jerks by nature. You could say Elizabeth’s bad experiences influenced her to want to get back at anyone who tortured her, and her manipulation was most likely a result of her learning that from William or something, Idk.
Unfortunately, people will always like to demonize kids and women for being flawed rather than calling out the serial killer who’s arguably much worse than everyone else.
Idk, I’m just sharing my thoughts on the matter.
I think I've commented this before but my headcanon is that the Baby of Sister Location and the Baby of Pizzeria Simulator are not the same entity. Whack writing on Night 4 of SL (that probably boiled down to "we had these lines recorded and the way we wrote the game precludes using them in a logical way) aside, the complete 180° her personality takes gets reconciled that way. If her goal was just to escape captivity, then it makes no sense for her to head into a trap just with the promise of doing a couple more homicides. On the other hand, if Scrap Baby is a decoy used by Circus Baby to ensure she can't be hunted down again...
21:54
It would be very funny if Scrap Baby and Circus Baby were not just two completely different animatronics but also had different spirits.
One is Elizabeth, while the other, well, Abby, or whatever the game counterpart of her character would be.
If this was the case, it's actually possible that Circus Baby's rebuilt body could be something akin to the old endoskeleton seen in RUIN, who actually shares personality traits with the SL Circus Baby.
Now, that'd be a twist.
Perhaps it's why, after the apparent first debut of this endo character, that the very next game places a large emphasis on Circus Baby.
Who knows. Since Circus Baby and Scrap Baby have been compared to death by now, it'd be nice to see a video comparison for Circus Baby and Grimick.
I honestly think that Baby thought in night 4, “Oh, the minireenas are gonna k_ll him, I might as well drop the act.” But in lore, Micheal survived it, so, in night 5 she had to quickly bring back her “nice” facade, to trick Micheal
But that would imply that Baby's plan was for Michael to be killed and, considering the plan, that wouldn't make much sense.
Funtime Freddy angy face
I had a thought that could possibly explain the personality shift with baby and scrap baby. Perhaps when Baby split from Ennard it wasn't actually Baby that was split, what if they instead split off Elizabeth? Thus the reason they seem like different character would be because they are in fact different characters. Scrap baby being Elizabeth's spirit that was discarded from Ennard while Baby herself remained part of the Ennard collective.
I think that the FNAF World person was supposed to be Henry, but was then retconned when Scott decided to give a different role to him.
Circus Baby is Circus Baby, containing Elizabeth soul, likely a mix between, showing the childness derivated from Elizabeth, but mostly a programmed manipulative kidnapping machine. Elizabeth's soul gives Circus Baby depth and uniqueness, and her soul is the one thing that makes Circus Baby breaks once in a while. Maybe Circus Baby is the manipulative ,pacing one, and Elizabeth's soul might have impaired some agony, which justifies the relentless breakdown at night 4.
Circus baby becomes Ennard with the FunTimes ,which seemly suppress Elizabeth's soul from manifesting. It's said they've been Ennard before,so it's very likely Elizabeth's soul was split between all of them - that's why Elizabeth's soul barely appears on Circus Baby alone. It also implies they might be relentless because they're also inflicted with agony, and very little to nothing of Elizabeth's soul herself.
After they became Ennard and kept together for a unknown time, Elizabeth's soul pieces were at one place. She is the one who gets separated from the others. Elizabeth's soul is treated like a virus and expelled. Her agony tho, is what keeps moving forward Molten Freddy - unrelentless, unable to think and plan properly.
So, Scrap Baby is what the name says: The scraps. The parts contaminated by Elizabeth's soul, that were tossed out. She's fully on daddy girl's mode because she's now free of Circus Baby's programming ,which was what made her cunning and feign innocence, all while using some of a veridic child's demeanor from Elizabeth's soul.
I like to think that when Scrap Baby says “I will make you proud daddy” she’s mocking Michael for still doing what his father told him even when that got him killed. Probably not canon, but I like to imagine this was her intention.
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This is a very interesting video! I never read this much into the character, so it gave me some insight that I didn’t have before!
Unironically, when I first saw this minigame my first thought was "Damn, NotRealName is gonna love this."
I am basically entirely sure that Scott only made Funtime Freddy as the face for ennard- baby so he could get kellen Goff to voice him