Build a Garden Gate, the Easy Way
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- We've had some critters getting into the new flower garden, so it was time for a solution. The gate into the existing garden was also.. less than ideal. Alex used salvaged lumber to solve these problems, and we think it turned out great. The only thing we had to buy were the hinges!
Project Cost Breakdown:
Hinges: $21 per door
Nails: Leftover
Cable Hardware: Salvaged
Wood: Salvaged (would have been ~$30k with current prices)
Fencing: $35 for 50' roll
About Us: We are Alex and Elaina, a couple in our mid 20s who are currently living on the 3-acre farm in southern Pennsylvania where Alex grew up. We have a garden, backyard chickens, and build or fix anything that we need to. We still work corporate day jobs, but are working to eventually leave the 9-5 lifestyle in favor of a self-built, debt-free, homestead on 6 acres nearby.
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Nice gate, the only suggestion I have would be to flip the cross beam to displace any downward forces on the unsupported edge.
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Yep that would work just as well, it would just put the cross brace in compression instead of tension.
Yeah that's what I was thinking also.
@@MasonDixonAcresidk where you are getting your info but it isn’t an either or. Your way is wrong. The load, because of basic physics, will be mostly on the top corner furthest from the hinge. Therefore it needs more support. Even a carpenter who doesn’t know physics has seen enough gate sag on gates done your way to know. Proven you don’t have much experience AND don’t understand physics
@@MasonDixonAcresit’s not functional in the orientation you have it. Is holding the top and bottom together but it is not supporting the gate.
Sir, your diagonal is backwards. It should always slope down to your bottom hinge. It won’t sag ever!
It makes no differences as long as the fasteners stay put. my way puts the diagonal in tension, that way it is in compression.
A $4 dollar bag of dry concrete mix put around those post with make them far more stable than just dirt. The cable should work but if it doesn't that would be the solution I look into
Great job! Seems getting that 4x4 well anchored is key, but that salvaged tensioner is awesome!
Stopped by to get some different ideas on simple gate building since mine weren't doing very good. I like this one thanks.
Much appreciated!!
New subscriber here. I am building a fence for my wife’s raised garden beds and was not finding a gate. I have been thinking of using a 4x4 post and a DIY gate much like you did here. I realize it is 2 years ago, but it was relevant to my current project. Thanks for the video, and all the best from north Texas.
Awesome! Best of luck with the project 🙌🏻
@@MasonDixonAcresthanks. I am thinking of 4x4 posts at the gates and t posts around the perimeter. It looks like you might have wooden posts in perimeter. It’s okay - didn’t seem to be focus of video. I will look for other videos for the main fence install.
Cross beams on the wrong way boss. Solid lil though.
Thanks, it makes no differences as long as the fasteners stay put. my way puts the diagonal in tension, that way it is in compression.
Even better if the diagonal brace had gone the other way i.e. low in the hinge side. This would've put the joints in compression.
Awesome Job I need one jus like this exactly.... I'm try to make it bc the one I had was to heavy and it finally gave
Good video though. Thanks!😊
The diagonal is the wrong way 🤔🧐
Works the same either way!
@@MasonDixonAcres not really. By flipping it you translate the weight of the gate to the bottom hinge. The other way doesn’t do this. Big difference over time.
With the diagonal at the bottom hinge corner the diagonal is in compression. This is better since usually the diagonal is butting up against another price of wood. When the diagonal is at top hinge corner the diagonal is in tension and is only pulling against screws and nails. This gate looks light and probably won’t make much of a difference which way the diagonal goes. Nice video.
@alexprue3569 just saw this, thank you for finally getting it!! The physics works the same either way provided fasteners hold strong and boards don't stretch.
@victoryak86 the weight is translated to the hinges the same either way, it's a rigid square braced diagonally. Pretend there are no braces or members at all and it's a solid square, same effect on hinges
Looks good!!
Thank you! Its now much easier to enter and exit the garden!
The way you have set up that cross support beam it will do _nothing_ to the structural integrity. It's upside down. The greatest force will allways be in the top corner furtherst from the ground.
It makes no difference as long as the fasteners stay put. my way puts the diagonal in tension, that way it is in compression. Force on the top corner goes down, and is supported by the diagonal in tension.
Diagonal board is opposite what it should be, u want high point opposite of hinges
It’s the same result either way actually
@@MasonDixonAcres It is the wrong way. It is not the same either way.
Brace is always fitted opposite the hinge to have compressed downward force and preventing sag and better weight ratio..
Best way to check is put weight on your gate opposite the hinge with that brace setup you have, I bet yours wouldn't hold up as much as if it was the opposite which has already been explained 👍
@ThePercyfamily It makes no difference as long as the fasteners stay put. My way puts the diagonal in tension, that way it is in compression.
Center board should be from bottom to top. Just so you know for the next one.
It actually works the same either way!
@@MasonDixonAcres 😆 🤣 no it doesn't! the weight drops .. or it supports... and with the 2 screws only design on corners ... movement / eventually sag ... stiffer wire on gate would help or 4 triangle cut pieces in 4 corners
About size of speed square will help it stay square... but you the man ... your gate ... guessing every body else bracing wrong on you tube?
Flip yer gates 😊
Here on the farm we set our wood post in either pea gravel or dry concrete. Post won't move.
Good tip! Many more gates to come, I will remember that.
@@MasonDixonAcres I put up fencing and gates for goats on my property. My cemented posts (probably did them wrong or something) have come slightly loose after a year.
Built it back to front.
Your crossbeam is in the wrong configuration. The high end should be at the top of the gate to channel compression to the hinges. Your design will not keep the gate from sagging
It makes no differences as long as the fasteners stay put. my way puts the diagonal in tension, that way it is in compression.
Your brace should be going the other way, bottom corner toward the hinge side
It makes no differences as long as the fasteners stay put. my way puts the diagonal in tension, that way it is in compression.
@@MasonDixonAcres lol OK sure
this was a huge help, thank you!
You're welcome! Hope it works out well for you
why didnt you use concrete to hold that 4x4 in place? Im about to put in 4 post for my 2 gates. i was watching to get some ideas on how to do my gates. learning process
I didn't have a bag and didn't feel like getting one, but I did have some wire and a tensioner. That's the only reason
The crossbeam is the wrong way
Cross brace is wrong. It should be at the bottom hinge. Not the top hinge
It actually works the same either way as long as the fasteners don't give! Hasn't sagged in a couple years now
Bro. I'm glad it has held up. However. There's literally a scientific explanation about that brace. The way you have it isnt actually taking on any kind of load.
The reason we brace gates is primarily to keep it from sagging, to keep it functioning as it was intended to from the beginning. A compression cross-brace takes weight from the top bar and transfers it by pushing down against the bottom hinge, or a vertical component or post, which transfers load to both hinges.
I'm not trying to be rude.
Also. It literally sagged immediately. Before you installed that cable. Because of the load that was incorrectly braced. Lol
@MrQuack811 A rigid square is the same whether the diagonal brace goes one way or the other. The load on the top corner is transferred to the bottom corner, where it's supported by the diagonal in tension. I think you are referring to the post movement because I just used dirt instead of concrete. The square has stayed square all this time
concrete the post in
Brace going wrong way
How is this gate holding up? Is it sagging? I would have guessed you'd want to set the post deeper but the wire may be doing the trick
I think I've clicked the tensioner once or twice since putting it up, but the wire prevents it from sagging. Still doing it's job nicely
So how's that wire holding up the weight of your gate? I'm digging your concept, have a gate about that size to make as well. I'm thinking instead of putting the post in the dirt, put it in a 5 gallon bucket with concrete and bury it. Would be more stable for sure. I'm curious if the weight of the gate has caused any bunching in the fence going towards that anchor point or if that stake has gotten pulled up at all.
The door sagged a bit over a few weeks right after hanging but I tightened the wire again and it hasn’t moved. Fence post and wire are good. I agree your method would be more stable, but definitely more work 😅
Would concrete in the hole be as much support as in a bucket? Im working on this a week at a time currently.
If you had used your wire for your diagonal it would have been under tension.. And yes the physics is different.. The gate would be stronger under compression flipped the other way. Your diagonal is just relying on your fasteners. Use a dry bag of concrete and ditch the micky mouse wire. Not doggin ya, i just read thru the comments and see you think the forces are the same bc your an engineer or somethin
Yes the diagonal in tension (and most of the rest of the gate) relies on fasteners, and they work well. A board doesn't stretch or compress very easily, so for the purposes of a garden gate I'd consider it a rigid member that works equally well in either direction. The physics are not different flipped the other way, and I'm still waiting on someone to send me a basic free body diagram proving otherwise 😄 I agree concrete around the base makes a solid post but I didn't have any concrete on hand here, I did have a wire tensioner though
@@MasonDixonAcres ill send you a link 😉
Yeah you lost me with no concrete
haha I just didn't have any on hand. i have nothing against concrete in the hole
You built it wrong. The cross brace is under tension, not compression. The gate will sag.
@Sven126 A rigid square is the same whether the diagonal brace goes one way or the other. The load on the top corner is transferred to the bottom corner, where it's supported by the diagonal in tension. The square has stayed square all this time
What is the long term fix for the door?
Do you mean the tension cable? It actually seems to be holding pretty well, so if it stretches just tighten it another click 😄
@@MasonDixonAcres Something I just thought of this morning. It might be interesting to do a video that talks about progress towards your ideal perfect day every day. How far away are both of you from that? What steps are happening behind the scenes to make that a reality? Is the plan both just to quit your jobs or is one person going to quit and the other eventually?
We are thinking we will start doing some vlog format videos eventually, we will probably address all that in those! In short, no more than 5 years out, working to make it about 3. Haven't fully decided on the leaving jobs thing yet, preferably both at once but we will see how things shake out.
-Alex
the wrong way
@devonking4281 A rigid square is the same whether the diagonal brace goes one way or the other. The load on the top corner is transferred to the bottom corner, where it's supported by the diagonal in tension. The square has stayed square all this time