Zepotha and Goncharov - The Worst and Best of the Internet
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- tiktok is obsessed with a movie that does not exist - however this strange occurance has happened before, and in a much funner, more genuine way.
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00:00 Intro
00:57 Goncharov
3:16 Zepotha
5:58 Goncharov Vs Zepotha
07:22 Outro - Hry
the saddest part of zepotha for me is that they chose one of the best, wildest genres for the movie and did basically nothing with it :/
80s horror was wild! gross! with a wide arrangement of subgenres. but they just went with the most boring overused settings. makes me sooo sad as a horror fan.
LITERALLY!! plus zepotha, the title, just sounds way more like a 70s obscure arthouse film, which i think would be cool af. but nah, lets make it a teen slasher that doesn't really do much with the genre anyway. also ive seen a few bts facts, and most of it is just like 'oh it was too gay to be released' or 'theres like 20 sequels', like babe, this is a horror movie, this is an 80s horror movie, give me fun facts about the special effects or how stressful the filming process was. like please theres so much more that could be done than just "you look like borbo from zepotha uwu"
@@twitchykirby509 give me a "did you know that the body suit in X scene was so hot you can see sweat dripping out the edges?" like in the evil dead or "the actor actually broke their foot there" like lotr. bc if its an 80s horror movie you KNOW theyre making that thing with a budget of two cents and a piece of lint and absolutely no regard for health and safety laws.
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I want to throw my metaphorical hat into the ring but i think theres also two other reasons why Gonchrov worked and Zepotha doesn’t. 1. the way tumblr is how its formatted, because tumblr is a long text based website it allows more information on one place while TikTok is a video site and 2. Zepotha is meant to be ‘lost’ due to its outwardly queer characters, compared to Gonchrov where its more homoerotic subtext with fake analysis which trumped over the fake plot posts. Idk maybe I’m looking into this way to much
No no, you have a point! Homoerotic subtext is my absolute favourite thing ever, it’s like my weak point, which made Goncharov so fun to me!
Zepotha being “too queer” as a not real, inside joke film is weird to me! Especially the highlight on a trans character (singular?) being in the fake film. As a trans person, it feels targeted!
I love older horror films, one of my favourite films of all time is Alien 1979, so seeing a fake horror movie about queer characters SHOULD be a fun experience, but it just isn’t. It’s too targeted in my eyes, I’m not a fan
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Goncharov was fun! It was something that existed only through fan-work. Because of this, anyone who posted anything about it was just as responsible for it's creation as anything else. The only time that any and all fan work is canon. It was an impromptu collaborative project.
Zepotha isn't that for a number of reasons. It's "created" by one person, and everyone else is supporting that one person's in joke. If you found out about Goncharov, you could add to it and be part of the joke. But if you find out about Zepotha, it's from a person and promoting her. Do you like her? Do you want to do this favor to her? Do you like her music? These are all questions that would be in your way of joining in. In the end there will be one thing that is "canon" and it will be whatever song/songs she creates.
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Something else about Gonchrov compared to Zepotha was the fact that there was commitment to the lost bit. No one was really trying to make it monetizable or real. It also made sure to use the aesthetics of Martin Scorsese filmography. It was also engaged by people who were genuinely into film itself as a medium and art. Zepotha is a fad more or less.
YES i completely agree with this!! it’s very reminiscent of companies trying to artificially recreate the craze of barbenheimer i think
Eh really the only similarity is that it’s a forced marketing attempt to recreate something, which is a tale old as time
or like when they released morbius again bc the internet convinced the execs it would be a hit 😭
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goncharov was really fun, but zepotha is so forced and a literal marketing ploy, glad to see not everyone blindly following a trend like theyre being controlled
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Some people on Tumblr are trying to defend Zepotha on the basis that they're just kids having fun; problem is, it's not, it's a marketing strategy. If TikTok kids had just made up their own movie, like they did with Ratatouille the Musical, it would be fine, but it's not, its someone capitalizing on Internet trends
I dont care how much fun the kids are having, if its just a marketing ploy, i want it dead and gone
@@Meleedroit I don't want it dead and gone, I like Transformers after all, I just don't like how cynical and manipulative it is
Goncharov... I'm not a tiktok user so I didn't even know Zapotha existed. I loved the mockups and insanely detailed scene descriptipns and analyses like that apple cutting scene or the broken clocks. The manufactured feeling of Zapotha feels a bit icky.
This is definitely a TikTok moment. I wouldn’t be surprised if TikTok buy’s the rights to the film and actually makes it one day.
Anyways anyone remember that scene in the movie”Quinnamon”(from 1969)where Quinn dressed up like a rabbit and did some funky dance moves with some animatronics at Jeff’s birthday party? Yeah that scene was crazy.
Hmmm….quinnamom…i feel like I remember that movie. Not one of quill herris’s best work, but a nice slasher. I liked when that rabbit character stabbed that kid a bunch, he seriously had it coming, sad the dad and his boyfriend died tho
The creator of Zepotha is apparently making a short film contest, so you know
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Same vibes as the Warriors fandom acted like Cloudsnap was a real character. Tumblr is a crazy place!
I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABT CLOUDSNAP YOU JUST UNLOCKED A MEMORY
My favorite example of this is Pikmin 1's horribly bigoted romanian (i think romanian?) character known as "Fiddlebert" with the catchphrase "Fiddle me this, Olimar!" who looks like olimar but completely green.
Actually, I don't know why I'm commenting this, Fiddlebert is completely real.
Remember MorMor?
@@Meleedroit Graggle?
Adding onto everyone else's takes about like 1.) the platforms' roles in how each was engaged with and thus the believability. There's also a factor in how each is being treated BY the people partaking, and how it can seriously affect people that either may not be clued in or may be susceptible to harm caused by this form of joke.
As broken as we always say it is, the tagging system was a huge factor in why Goncharov was never seen as too obnoxious or damaging -- since the concept was made to literally gaslight people into believing a fake film really existed, we'd always have unreality tagged as a way to filter things out for anyone susceptible to psychosis or other such reality-altering disorders, and when asked we'd actually just. Explain that it wasn't real and a tumblr in-joke, because the joke isn't fun if people are genuinely getting hurt. The joke only extended far enough to where people who would be negatively affected by it would be safe, and with the lack of a (functional) algorithm it never snuck it's way into places it shouldn't be. It was treated as a silly joke meant to build a community and inspire creativity and it succeeded in that regard. It was a showcase of the perfect site-wide improv among strangers and community, a "yes, and?" done to the best degreee where every piece built upon each other to the point where REAL ACTORS AND DIRECTORS GOT IN ON IT.
The issue with TikTok is that it's the exact opposite. From what I've seen and heard (because I refuse to touch TikTok myself), these comments are everywhere and places they frankly shouldn't be (one case I've heard of being under someone's literal ED vent) because the participants don't care about what the actual content is, it's about following whatever this new trend is -- no matter how invasive it gets. The issue stemming from TikTok's tagging system is there is no way to block or blacklist tags, thus making the entire Zepotha trend completely unsafe for users who may experience psychosis or be triggered by unreality content, and with an algorithm that pushes it to you repeatedly (let's be honest, the "not interested" button never works) the site becomes completely unusable without that risk. In addition, the way TikTok users will FULLY insist on its reality status and go so far as to completely lean into full gaslighting if someone isn't part of the in-joke or, again, is harmed by unreality content is seriously an issue.
The project was never a way to inspire community or creativity like Goncharov, it was a scheme to promote a music artist (now doing the literal one thing you SHOULDN'T DO; seriously that film competition is a whole other conversation of wrong) turned into yet another annoying trend. (Evidently the bits of lore being produced and organised by the Discord server and Google.doc may not even been the canon take since the creator has repeatedly shot down ideas she wasn't personally fond of completely going against the "yes and" nature of these sorts of experiments). The lack of focus or even dumb passion is one of the hugest reasons Zepotha will likely remain one of their (multiple. and I mean MULTIPLE. seriously this isn't the first time) failed marketing attempts.
This was. A longer comment that I normally make for ANYTHING, but I've been in a lot of circles with the issues mentioned that have expressed similar, so it feels important to bring awareness to (considering a lot of people usually DON'T think about how it may affect those with psychosis.) Just my two cents on it from the perspective of someone who was around for Goncharv's start and saw how it played out for these communities. :3 (Recognising the user in the pic was WILD, internet neighbours. Tumblr moment.)
Ignore the fact I said 1.) and then literally never put another number; I'm blaming the autism. Brain too fast for he got damn type
You summarized my thoughts on it perfectly! I think my main issue with this trend was summarized really well by a TikTok commenter, back when it was in full swing: Goncharov was fueled by a desire to create. Zepotha was fueled by a desire to destroy. The point of Zepotha was just to drag anyone who wasn’t involved, gaslight them and make it their problem. It always pissed me off so bad but I just got called a buzzkill for it💀
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Fr I litterally found this channel today and im watching all the videos
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@@lilyloud7777 WHAT
as someone who witnessed goncharov zepotha just feels very unbelievable and corporate, at least people seem to be having fun but it doesnt work the same, it being made in the 80s and having perfect queer rep is something that isnt very plausible, due to the fact the queer community was really under attack in the 80s, so a film like such wouldnt be able to pass production or anything, with goncharov it was more believable with the homoeroticsubtext that is more believable for the time. thats not me saying any queer stuff couldnt exist in the 80s is just that if you are trying to convince me that an 80s horror film with good queer rep existed and isnt super duper popular with news articles and essays written and at least one fan shirt or tumblr blog and passed completey under the radar i wont believe you.
Someone pointed out that Zapotha sounds like a horror movie from the 70s and 60s and it wouldn't be a slasher it would be something more inline with Suspiria( forgive me if it's spelled differently) and it wouldn't be an american movie so even in its creation it sounds false
Another good point is that goncharov started as just a meaningless name that could be built up while zepotha started as a prank/advertisement knowingly sent out to grow. Zepotha had a lot less space to grow as it was already set in stone as an 80's movie due to mostly being brought up as a reference for outfits.
I was there for both gonch and zepotha but tbh both are super fun. I love zepotha, as its more up my ally (80s)
Wow it's been a good while since I've last seen the name "Goncharov" come up. Can't believe I forgot about one of the movies of all time
idk how your content is so good despite you only starting videos a few weeks ago
autism
probaly the power of friendship
Internet culture up through the mid 2010s was wild and it makes me sad things will never be quite the same, no longer memes but influencer created trends
Goncharov happened in the 2020s on tumblr. this is a tiktok problem, not an internet problem
@@indesomniac ooh! Had no idea! If I'm frank I didn't know Tumblr was still around! Glad to hear there's fun things still going on tho! Tho that kinda just makes me angrier at TikTok haha!
@@tomb6576 oh yeah, there was a lull but thankfully tumblr never really died! iirc Goncharov was as recent as last year?
@@indesomniac there is hope haha! Thank you for the heads up!
@@indesomniac Quinn did say the meme was started around 2022.
I keep forgetting that Goncharov doesn’t exist and I keep wanting to watch it
Imagine believing that Goncharov is not a real movie
Zepotha was fun at first but after several hundreds comments and posts it got old lol. Hopefully the short film contest will make it more coherent
I never knew about the Goncharov shoes. I can't believe someone tried to manufacture a meme, will people never learn how dumb of an idea that is?
Even though I just started watching your content but it’s so good
The best summary of Goncharov I've found is a Tumblr video composed entirely of screenshots, starting with the tag on the shoe and ending with Francesca Scorsese texting her dad "hey did you see this?" and him replying "Yes. I made that film years ago." The cuts happen in increasingly faster time to the progression of the soundtrack, which is the can-can. It captures the mood perfectly
Babe wake up quinnamon uploaded a video!
I'd actually watch goncharav it seems interesting ( because gay people)
I WOULD WATCH IT SO FAST
I absolutely love your content. I'm sure you've heard it before, call me a broken record if you will. But I can definitely see your channel getting somewhere. Your narration is nice in a way were I don't feel bored by it. I personally usually listen to podcasts and other rants while I work, and your channel is absolutely perfect for that. I cannot wait to see what else you discuss next! Thank you for making these videos, and have an amazing day!
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Ooooo new topic to learn oooo can’t wait for the fnaf merch video tomorrow:)
I love your content so much, i’m obsessed
I was so surprised to see that you're a super new channel, your quality is so good and I'm glad I stumbled across your video when trying to figure out what the hell Zepotha was
I am so surprised with your upload schedule. Your a new CZcamsr making quality videos quickly, keep it up man!
It's fun how people will just spontaneously make up lore about something that doesn't exist, from just anything.
I just want to say i have mad respect for you and your channel! That motivation to pump out such good content so frequently? Your doing something right 😮
I don't use til tok , so I have no former overload , but this is hilarious
i was there for both the original shoe post and the explosion of goncharov on tumblr, so seeing tiktok stumble through their own fake movie is strange. as far as ive seen through osmosis, they're not going about it the same way which is why its not as coherent/put together. when goncharov blew up, you couldnt go 3 posts without seeing a gifset or a long ass analysis or fanart or the movie poster. there were specific scenes everyone agreed upon and each character had a defined personality + arc (i wont doubt that it got a little confusing sometimes but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ its part of the fun). i think bc tiktok is only video, it can't actually establish the world of "zepotha" besides naming characters and music, which is why they had to make that google doc. that all to say, i hope they have fun with it and stop claiming they started goncharov
thought: if your bit starts with “ok so new bit idea:” it’s not a good bit
I didn't know about this part of internet history and currently happening. So pretty neat.
I just wana say, I did really like thia video! I appreciate that you made it!
Nice video, hope to see more growth especially since your channel is new
i found the zepotha thing fun, but it lasted for a day, then after that everytime i saw a comment "omg you look exactly like this character from zepotha!!" or whatever, i just felt tired😞
i basically ignore tiktok like the plague, so this video is the reason i know what "zepotha" is and i hate it? it's sad to me that basically half the things that trend on tiktok are just ripped off from tumblr
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Had no idea this happened and it's wild
Commenting for the algorithm, also cool video!
im not a tiktokker so i never heard of zpotha, but quickly realized in its description it was another goncharov
I just remembered Goncharov existed so this was a treat
my favorite thing about goncharov is the community effort that was put into it. like you said, it was a big game of "yes and". nothing anyone said about goncharov was incorrect- every contribution was valued and important. with zepotha, a lot of people were involved, but the sense of community/support of eachothers ideas/whatever just wasnt really as prominent. idk
Goncharov... loved the depiction of family dynamics and relationships in that film! Sad that most of the full tapes with some of the more critically acclaimed cuts, were lost in "spring cleaning" and rights issues...
(for legal reasons this is a joke)
bro is so under8ed
Neat, another new video
Sir, sir! Do you have a discord server?
i’m considering making one 👀
Ah, the clocks scene and the anchovies...
Hmmm….quinnamon…i feel like I remember that movie. Not one of quill herris’s best work, but a nice slasher. I liked when that rabbit character stabbed that kid a bunch, he seriously had it coming, sad the dad and his boyfriend died tho
yo this is crazy you sound EXACTLY like quinnamon wtf...
How do you have so little subscribers and so much quality? It’s so baffling
Guys remember that Collab Quinnamon had with that one guy that redesigned scraptrap, and had the undeniably canon lore videos for fnaf. It was the ooftroop. quinnamon and him almost had this sorta version of Springtrap and Vanny. But in this version Springtrap has to get used to pronouns since Vanny in this one is He/Him.
I have a consistent habit of making goncharov references to my girlfriend. They are not that in tune with tumblr culture. We went to see a movie and there was a trailer for a Scorcese film, so I was like “omg Martin Scorcese, director of the 1973 masterpiece Goncharov, the greatest mafia movie ever made!?” And they were like “I have never seen that” and I was like “oh, it’s not real. I’ll explain later” and then I forget. And then I see something Goncharov adjacent in the wild and the cycle repeats.
reminds me of the doubloons thing!
zepotha is the movie that "1980s horror film" by wallows is about /j
Definitely, I subscribed to the correct CZcamsr
Yo has anyone ever told you how much you sound like Stefan from Goncharov???
you could talk more about internet culture if you feel like it, i could watch a whole series of this !
I heard about Zepotha but not Goncharov surprisingly. Weird how things like this happen online lol, but I adore it cause people are just feeling inspired by one prompt and take that in so many ways. It's cool to me. And the creator of Zepotha is hosting a short film contest to find the canon version!!! And they are offering a cash prize.
A cash prize that might not even be enough to make up for the cost of making the short film in the first place.
Competitions like that are really predatory usually. I have never seen a cash prize that properly values the work put in, so it's just a way to get fans to produce discounted content as opposed to properly compensating someone for their work.
Not to mention usually you lose all rights to the work after it's sent in so all the people who didn't win get paid nothing for content that can then be used for profit.
Hopefully this will be an exception to at least the second thing. If there's fair pay for the creator I will be happily surprised.
Zepotha is just The Quarry 😂
But like worse 😂
THE INTERWEB!!!!
legit couldnt guess you were a fresh 'tuber, this isn't raw at all, keep going chief
That Chainsaw Scene Scared Me For Days Danny's Peformance Was Great In that Scene
500 pounds to make a short fild... where have i seen stuff like that before... (cough) all or nothing (cough)
Wait paradise killer image?
interesting video love your sona btw
Kinda sad you didn't mention "Ice Pick" Joe...
Guys Im sorry, I liked the video causing the 69 likes into becoming 70 likes
How could you
:)
I think you have some really good points- but I do have a counter-argument. Even though Zepotha was initially created as a marketing scheme it is impossible to deny the creativity that it has spurred on the internet. People are writing songs, making animatics, drawing fan art, writing fan fic, and making films!! A person who created an album, used their album to spur more creativity online. The domino affect of creation is the beauty of both of Zepotha and Goncharov.
I do agree that Zepotha does seem forced and can get spam-like with the amount of comments but I find it hard to completely ridicule Zepotha and what it has done. Sure there may not be one plot line- but the variation plays into peoples different interpretations and inspires them in new ways. The lack of solidity in plot arguably opens the door for more creativity. It is a fake movie, so why does it need one plot? Who wrote the rules? Goncharov was a super fun meme and pointedly different from Zepotha. Though Goncharov came first and is similar to Zepotha, there is no rule saying that one must follow in the same structure as the other.
Back to the creativity that it has spurred. You mentioned the film festival and putting money in for a prize and how that felt strange. I do agree that it would be a little strange if no one had been creating things under the Zepotha meme prior to her post about the festival. However, people were already making shorts, trailers, mood videos, and even full films. The film festival is yet another way to uplift these smaller creators. The costs and time people choose to put into the film depends on their own choice and passion. Yes the film contest only adds to the marketing scheme- but so what? She has the right to promote her work and she is doing so in a way that uplifts other artists and creators under one trend. She may come out with the most clout but other creators are finding way more attention under this trend than they did before and getting more exposure to their other work. The harm Zepotha has done is so miniscule compared to the amount of creativity and joy that has come out of it.
Anyways I just wanted to share my piece. I loved the video and your stand point on it! I find the whole things super interesting
Why lie about a low/no budget horror movie containing Gay and trans characters when you can make one you cowards. >xp
It's so garbage to see something, copy it and ruin it, fortnite does it, kpop does it, and tiktok does it
very cool, very epic. 10/10 would watch again. :P
idk what to say lmao, just a comment for t h e a l g o r i t h m
So what if it was originally marketing? the fans are creating lore which could eventually be made into cool shortfilms. Goncharov may have been made before, but no one in the Zepotha fan base is actively copying or stealing from it, they just share the same concept. Also, the film competition only rewarding one film isn't that bad lol, most film festivals do that i think