Join us as we discuss the pros and cons of shooting black powder or smokeless powder rounds in you vintage cartridge rifle. sites.google.com/view/44winch...
I usually skip over these type videos because I'm so familiar with the properties etc. of black and smokeless powders due to decades of familiarity of handloading, reloading, muzzleloading etc. but I decided to watch this one and I really enjoyed the way you presented certain facts. I think I'll give more credence to publishers of these type videos and watch them more often. Really enjoying all of your videos so keep them coming.
When I was younger I used smokeless powder in a Smith & Wesson .32 rimfire Canuck CIL and reloaded rimfire copper cases. I also had a Colt reproduction 1851 Navy revolver in .36 caliber and I never fired black in the revolver because the range I was a member of didn't allow Black powder on their range.
Hi Mark. I inherited my grandfathers 1898 built 10ga Ithaca twist steel double barrel hammer shotgun. After about 1940 he used smokeless shells exclusively since BP shells were nigh impossible to find. He only used low brass lightly loaded shells...but shot hundreds of ducks, geese and pheasants with that old girl. I only shoot BP shells through it today, but she's still as tight as the day it was made. I did want to mention something about smokeless and pressure. It's been my experience that with BP pistol cartridges at least...BP outperforms virtually all smokeless powders in velocity. Take 45 colt for example. I don't know of a single smokeless powder that can match a full case of Swiss BP without exceeding 14K PSI! 5744 comes the closest with a velocity just over a 1,000 FPS with a 255gr bullet. Which is about 50FPS slower than the same bullet pushed by Swiss BP. I've been looking for a smokeless load capable of eclipsing BP, while staying within pressure limits...but as yet haven't found one.
Great video. I've had my personal black powder firearm era and I now use only smokeless powder in my replica guns and original guns however I load only to safe black powder pressures.
Great info Mark. Personally, I side with caution. My old vintage rifle was made for black powder and that's all I use on her and always measure precisely! Take care and thanks again!
And then we have the black powder "substitutes" rabbit hole to travel down and explore! Hell, I'm still not sure what the difference is between weight vs volume. And yes, it is true I made my sixth-grade math teacher cry because I could not wrap my head around what was then called "new math" Over five decades later I'm still ashamed of myself for that one. Excellent video as usual! Keep 'em comin'!!!
Thanks for talking about this. I have been told my whole life to never load smokeless. I always figured it's ok as long as you know what you are doing. Thanks for the education. Fascinating to hear that its possible to load smokeless to the Velocity of black powder and with the right powder have lower pressure.
As always great information. In addition very timely as I just completed getting an 1888 manufactured Colt Lightning Magazine rifle in 44-40 cleaned and mechanically ready for shooting. Thank you so much for posting your content.
I run smokeless in my M1873 Trapdoor from 1881 with no issues. There is a good video of a gent running pistol powders for his vintage Trapdoor, with 405 gr lead bullets, getting sub to just over 800fps. 10 - 11gr of Unique seems to work just fine with pressures and accuracy with no keyholing. Very good video sir!
Another excellent class, Professor. A week or two back, I heard Goex is back up & running again, under new ownership. This is good news. They hope to have product to all their dealers by the end of this year.
I usually skip over these type videos because I'm so familiar with the properties etc. of black and smokeless powders due to decades of familiarity of handloading, reloading, muzzleloading etc. but I decided to watch this one and I really enjoyed the way you presented certain facts. I think I'll give more credence to publishers of these type videos and watch them more often. Really enjoying all of your videos so keep them coming.
I stick with FFFg in all my vintage rifles. no chance of an overcharge and I only use cast lead bullets.
Great video as usual Mark! I shoot smokless in my old iron but I keep the jacketed bullets out of them. My older rifles get smokeless and lead.
When I was younger I used smokeless powder in a Smith & Wesson .32 rimfire Canuck CIL and reloaded rimfire copper cases. I also had a Colt reproduction 1851 Navy revolver in .36 caliber and I never fired black in the revolver because the range I was a member of didn't allow Black powder on their range.
Hi Mark. I inherited my grandfathers 1898 built 10ga Ithaca twist steel double barrel hammer shotgun. After about 1940 he used smokeless shells exclusively since BP shells were nigh impossible to find. He only used low brass lightly loaded shells...but shot hundreds of ducks, geese and pheasants with that old girl. I only shoot BP shells through it today, but she's still as tight as the day it was made. I did want to mention something about smokeless and pressure. It's been my experience that with BP pistol cartridges at least...BP outperforms virtually all smokeless powders in velocity. Take 45 colt for example. I don't know of a single smokeless powder that can match a full case of Swiss BP without exceeding 14K PSI! 5744 comes the closest with a velocity just over a 1,000 FPS with a 255gr bullet. Which is about 50FPS slower than the same bullet pushed by Swiss BP. I've been looking for a smokeless load capable of eclipsing BP, while staying within pressure limits...but as yet haven't found one.
I have an old copy of Cartridge's of the World that lists a number of Hogdon 4198 loads for 45-70, 577/450 amongst other old black powder rounds.
Great video. I've had my personal black powder firearm era and I now use only smokeless powder in my replica guns and original guns however I load only to safe black powder pressures.
Great info Mark. Personally, I side with caution. My old vintage rifle was made for black powder and that's all I use on her and always measure precisely! Take care and thanks again!
And then we have the black powder "substitutes" rabbit hole to travel down and explore! Hell, I'm still not sure what the difference is between weight vs volume. And yes, it is true I made my sixth-grade math teacher cry because I could not wrap my head around what was then called "new math" Over five decades later I'm still ashamed of myself for that one. Excellent video as usual! Keep 'em comin'!!!
I find older manuals often are more informative on this topic than the modern publications.
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Use magnum primers for 5744, I’ve found. You will not have unburned remnants.
Thanks for talking about this. I have been told my whole life to never load smokeless. I always figured it's ok as long as you know what you are doing. Thanks for the education. Fascinating to hear that its possible to load smokeless to the Velocity of black powder and with the right powder have lower pressure.
As always great information. In addition very timely as I just completed getting an 1888 manufactured Colt Lightning Magazine rifle in 44-40 cleaned and mechanically ready for shooting. Thank you so much for posting your content.
Excellent video and explanation!
Black powder clean up is really easy you just have to do it after you shoot within 12-24 hours. You really just need water and some oil lubricant.
Excellent topic for a video Mark, thanks for putting it together for us. Have a great week.
I run smokeless in my M1873 Trapdoor from 1881 with no issues. There is a good video of a gent running pistol powders for his vintage Trapdoor, with 405 gr lead bullets, getting sub to just over 800fps. 10 - 11gr of Unique seems to work just fine with pressures and accuracy with no keyholing. Very good video sir!
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Another excellent class, Professor. A week or two back, I heard Goex is back up & running again, under new ownership. This is good news. They hope to have product to all their dealers by the end of this year.