This video is not true imo, Bundesliga alone have Florian Wirtz, Musiala, Xavi Simmons, Dani Olmo. There are many amazing young number 10’s in all top leagues bringing back the position of natural 10. (Arda Guler, Kenan Yildiz, Eberechi Eze, Olise, Charles DK, Odegard, Szoboslai, Gibbs white, Bellingham (for now)) In my opinion the number 10 position has never been so good in many years, it’s through a renaissance.
@@georgesr8979Thing is Simons, Musiala, Wirtz to a lesser extent but still track back, Olmo darts up and down laterally, and the others are Box to Box mids as good going forward as back
@@georgesr8979Eze and Olive are wingers, Guler and Yildiz best examples but even they are all over, Bellingham legit sometimes just plays holding mid deep asf yes he scores doesn’t make him a 10, Szobo same as Bellingol, man just naming skillful players names, Doku a 10 now because he skills?
most of the players you mentioned are more of an attacking 8 than a classic 10. Musiala, Wirtz and maddison are close but they still are not 10s like Ozil, james or Coutinho
@@No-Stack-Developer Disagree, they can play entirely between the lines which is what a 10 should do and carry a massive creative burden. Coutinho isn’t the best example either considering how much attacking quality he possessed especially off the flanks. Ødegaard is an attacking 8 who isn’t really a 10
I could never understand how he went from Player of the Year at Chelsea and before that a great player at Valencia to benched all the time on a sub standard Man U.. and I never understood why he put up with it... It was really hard watching Mata and James on Madrid Rot... Isco also got a stunted career because of bench rot ..
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Zidane and Messi talked about this. They agreed that the old number tens have become wide forwards in the modern game i.e. the most technically gifted attacking player creating from out wide because it's the space defenders can't deal with today.
Thats also chanigng especially in the prem n Serie A where theyve started employing traditional CBs outwide to both defend transitions and the scariest opponents (usually a winger)
I agree with contents of the video but would like to add one point on the emergence of inverted wingers...Numbers 10s back in the day were dribbling gods and not just great in passing and creating chances(Maradona,Baggio,Del Piero,Zidane)....with LMFs,RMFs more like RWBs,LWBs ,the left,right backs due most of flank works and dribbling can be most utilized on the winger position ,hence best dribblers are now wingers....the number 10s now like KDB ,Odegaard are very good at playmaking and somewhat good in dribbling but nowhere near to the levels of the number 10s back in the day hence cannot play centrally alone, and the great number 10s from back in the day would surely be used like Messi on the wings for their dribbling and controlling middle at present.
Great player adapt. Ronaldinho would be the greatest false 9 while Zidane will be one of the greatest no 8. Kaka will be amazing as false winger. But as Ancelotti proves, traditional no 10 can work. You just need to have player that is suitable for the system
The 8.5 position isn’t new. Bergkamp, Pirlo, Seedorf were all terrific examples of players who could transition from box to box and also be catalysts for quick counters and even receiving the ball in deep midfield.
Del Piero was actually a supporting striker [an 8] which was basically a striker with the skills of a 10 who had the freedom to roam across the frontline and who could drop back to midfield to get involved. Most teams played with 2 strikers back then.
What happned was MONEY! Too much money got put into football and teams were no longer prepared to risk building their teams around a single player. Because if that player is out for whatever the reason (injury and others things) generally the team built around him don't do very well. But there is something about having CAMs in the side orchestrating the play, it was simply beautiful to watch!
KDB is literally an Attacking Midfielder. And now the golden boy Bellingham is also Attacking midfielder. That position ain’t going anywhere. Teams barely play with more than single striker anymore.
@power279 a LM in 442 flat and 4222 is considered as False 9? Damn didn't know that. Thanks man. Edit: Fucking idiot. We abandoned the 442 diamond since Nov 2023 and have been using 442 flat and 4222 specially, he's been a LM not a AM.
There’s a difference between the starting line up not having a number 10 position vs how the players play. For example Messi started at right win for most of his career but really played as a cam once the game started for at least half of his career and it’s the same for most creative players that are allowed freedom
Not only in the professional level, but this is also true for grassroots and semi-pro. Growing up I, like many others, used to play the 10 role but slowly throughout the years got moved back to an 8 or a regista role. Sad to see that the trequartista role is dying in football even from the youth level
most position has change now...GK that can start an attack and be a sweeper...CB that can pass and good with the ball...fullback that can join attack and invert into central...DM that can build up play from the back...winger than can score goals...striker that can fall back and pass the ball and AM that join in defensive action and press...they didnt dissapear..they just change to cope with tactic use nowaday...
Bellingham is arguably the best player in the world right now playing as a CAM for Madrid. I think the game goes full circle and 4-2-3-1 is the formation of the future. Defensively solid, multiple passing triangles from any position on the field.
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Hey man, you forgot to say Rivaldo at the beginning, late 90s and early 2000s he was out of this world. Best number 10, I consider him even better than Zidane at this period.
The Rui Costa vs Zidane debate used to be one of the most hotly-debated topics in early 2000s European football. That same Rui Costa benched Rivaldo. As good as he was, I don’t think Rivaldo was the same as Zidane.
Profiles like Bruno is what is killing the number 10 role. He's United's main creative output and his style of play is just not that good to watch. I rate Odegaard a lot walaahi cos he's a blend of the Kaka playstyle with a modern twist. But great video my bro, editing was top tier
Bruno is good, he's playstyle is pleasing but this season he seems mentally exhausted and also he has been the players playing non stop since he was signed, he is truly a good player.
@@27DANK when I watch him nowadays it’s painful, like my guy is just hoofing the ball mostly and can’t dribble. He is also a scumbaggy player that’s cheating and whining
The attacking midfielder that got me into football was Mesut Özil,the genius of Real Madrid,The Greatest attacking midfielder from the 2010's but Arteta didn't give him time to shine after a few years at Arsenal.
I wouldnt say the 10 specifically is dead but its the demands of the 10 that has changed. Where clubs are going for more physical player that can defend and attack. The squads benefits more from having a Pereira who has an awful output attacking wise but can balance the squad than having an ozil who will create 15 quality chances but will get depossessed and be a liabity from inpossession to out of possession transitions. Mind you footballers are more skilled than ever before, to the point where center backs and keepers are now creating chances like no mans business. Anyone is creating chances. Wingers are the next position to die, as we have more of attacking mid playing as inside fowards. At the end of the day, fuck pep because people copy whats successful. This is something that will happen to strikers top. It is acceptable for a striker to have less than 15 goals all season so long as the assists are good. More fluid strikers will be in demand. A target man like Ronaldo, zlatan and haaland will be a dying breed as clubs will favour a Hojlund, aguero, villa, benzema and cavani. Someone who can play a variety of striking traits. Can poach, can false, can be a target man etc. Clubs will favour more tactically fluid players.
Did you really said that Messi doesn't have the watch factor ? . I get it Ronaldinho made you want to watch football, same case is with me but saying that messi does not have the watch factor same as Ronaldinho and zidan is absolutely crazy
Im 27 and i know what you mean .. messi probably the best ever but he's was a prodigy from the very beginning you already knew what to expect @@r1medi
I like this discourse, but I think this video comes a little late lol. I think this Guardiola, positional play-era is slowly starting to fade and the set ups favoring two 8s is slowly reverting back to creative playmakers, that however have to put in more defensive work than a zizou back in his days. Look at Musiala, Wirtz or Bellingham whom you mentioned yourself. They are all centrally placed offensive midfielders with flair, around whom teams are built. I also think that this narrative of the premier league being Guardiola-fied is not the entrie picture. But the principles of positional play and the physicality of the premier league change the structure of football further to a point, where I believe that the game is "outplayed" and characteristics such as tactical awareness, cleverness and physical prowess are so widely common, that any further advancements in this direction yield diminishing returns, favoring the return of singular key-players that are strong in one vs one situations and more creative, meaning the return of the classic number 10.
It’s a bit like old term for 8.5: “Segondu volante”, I agreed most of what you said……they’ve changed the game not in the good way in my opinion, the real player maker nowadays is the manager and it’s system tactics, because of those managers’ success like klopp, pro-academies in favor of strong fast kids instead of skillful football intelligent kids, I have mentioned that in someone else’s video, this is fast food football rubbish but addicted
This video would’ve banged two or three years ago, but the attacking midfielder is 100% making a comeback as of the last year or so. Maybe if you’re referring to a single attacking mid sure, but Pep plays with two of these kinds of players right behind the striker, in midfield every match day. I would say the role has more so evolved rather than disappeared.
My favorite player mehdi taremi is going to inter milan and hes gona go or as an st or as a attacking midfielder but i dont think attacking midfielders will go extinct because most coaches these days are looking for such positioned players
Its actually true.... Defensive midfielders are what we need in football now...as a Liverpool fan I understand this cos it affected Chamberlain and is affecting Smith Rowe in Arsenal...that partly why Fabio Carvalho of Liverpool was sent on loan
Can you explain on what Messi position or role is? He plays much deeper in his later years post 2015 especially after barca relies him on creativity compared to his pep false 9 era. He also does not have defensive role much n always attack from deep and source of creativity for his team playing freely .. is he some sort of modern number 10?
Football needs more messi and ronaldhino like players who never scare of taking on 3, 4 defenders, btw i think messi is better play maker than the players you mentioned in this video as no 10.
Messi yes dhino no dhino wont make it today defencive structers are bettere than befire so there almsot be no space for him to abuse he will play like neymar
This video is not true imo, maybe 5 years ago lol, but not now. Bundesliga alone have Florian Wirtz, Musiala, Xavi Simmons, Dani Olmo. There are many amazing young number 10’s in all top leagues bringing back the position of natural 10. (Arda Guler, Kenan Yildiz, Eberechi Eze, Olise, Charles DK, Odegard, Szoboslai, Gibbs white, Bellingham (for now)) In my opinion the number 10 position has never been so good in many years, it’s though a renaissance.
@@r1medi All the players I mentioned are natural MODERN number 10’s bruh (except maybe Bellingham). Football has evolved and literally every single position needs to do defensive work in modern high paced, physical football. According to your argument then all classical positons died then. My point is that this video is outdated. And as I clearly mentioned the number 10 is going through a renaissance and has never been better in decades.
Bro we’re agreeing with each other! I’m saying the era of the classic 10 where players barely move is over. But I disagree with some of the players you claim are 10s. Musiala/Wirtz are forwards in my eyes, as is Dani Olmo and Morgan Gibbs White. Bellingham is potentially the only one but even he’s going to be deeper next season
@r1medi I don't need to watch this video to see you don't know entirely what you're talking about... As someone else has pointed out in the comments section... a traditional number 10 is akin to striker playmaker more so than a midfielder... they are that in-between, the best of both positions.. The flair, the creativity, the skill, the assist/finisher... Maradona was a freak, a pure artist that could play deep, right, left, central, upfront... Traditional number 10's (bar Maradona) would either sit behind the number 9 or cut in from wide.. Zidane was never a true number 10, more so for the national side than club side. People's misconceptions about what a number 10 was has been a result of all this new jargon about false 9, wide forward blah blah simply because of proliferation of so many teams playing 4-3-3 or the cowardly 4-2-3-1 and too many people (pundits included) pretending they're experts and historians.. A traditional number 10 almost always played in a 4-4-2 or 5-3-2 (mostly in italy).. The closet I see to an old school number 10 would be Maddison (however I don't watch as much football as I used to) yet he is more of a traditional 8 in my opinion.. He among all others just dont have the freedom or flair to play the trafitional 10 role..... Side note, Let's not forget that these are arbitrary Squad numbers that do not always mean what people think, numbers don't always have the same job in different teams... I have seen number 7's (I.e Le-tissier) playing the traditional number 10 role... Then there is the number 10's who were/are pure speed demon out and out strikers that play ahead of a number 9 I.e Owen, Anelka.. Platini, Baggio, Zola, were fine examples of what a number 10 should be. However, I do agree that (from what I've seen the past few years) there are next to zero traditional number 10's in today's football.. And anyone who says KDB is one obviously doesn't know what they're talking about... And before anyone who's not old enough to bother reading this post, or keeps mentioning how many trophies a player has won (in a team sport) or that Messi or neymar are the greatest, or some juvenile half illiterate comment like "dunt know ball".. I am in my 40's, have been watching football since the early 80's, used to watch Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English, German, Dutch, Argentinian, Brazilian, Scottish 😂, lower leagues, MLS, and even catch eurogoals which used to show highlights of Austrian, Greek, Turkish, and few other leagues.... I have watched more football than many have played Fifa Console games.
unfortunately i didnt watch football in the zidane ozil era (only highlights) but can someone explain why people think the no.10 is dying when theres still 10’s these days like kdb odeegard bruno wirtz and musiala around? do they play much more differently than the players back in that era and how so?
I try to simplify this. Messi was still the classic 10 in an Argentina shirt. The No.10, like Ozil, Messi, Zidane, early Scholes are the one that direct or create the team attack. The No10 are more like Pele and Bergkamp. They are attackers whose playstyles are closer to strikers than midfielders. Odegaard, Kdb, Modric did that to an extent, but they are more like Iniesta and Xavi, are more like controlling midfielders. They played like normal midfielder, pressing, passing, trying to control the midfield, and then occasionally create an assist or initiate a coach drill. You can see the key difference to see are that Ozil, Zidane, Messi, Maradona, Pele are all given freedom to play their game without the coach instruction. Odegaard, Kdb, Modric acted by their coaches instructions. So while they are playmakers, the flair that the former group generated, just gave a different feeling.
@@dankshadow5665 more like they play anywhere except 10 (behind striker, in front of midfield). In the 2000s-10s, more of the creative players were being put in the wings, like Neymar or Carzola but the most creative like Messi or Ozil got the central spot, (then they often moved to the wing without instruction). Now even the team most creative players like Trent, Zinchenko were put on the fullback role despite the lack of defense skill. While the most physical ones play centrally, like a typical midfielder or a "defensive" striker.
I think Messi dudring the 2022 World Cup is the last great example of the classical number 10. He didn't contribute in defense at all, he limited himself to just playing football. Also Riquelme is a great example you didnt mention.
Playmakers are still there but play as wingers in the modern game. The position that is really dead is that of a fast runner on the wings, like a 7 or 11. Playmakers are not used behind stikers anymore
As for the 10 dying completely disagree David Turnbull is playing 10 for Cardiff I think the thing here is he is only watching elite football the position is alive and well in SPFL or English championship I could give you more examples but you get my point even Rangers got about 4 10 ones on loan in Spain Hagi
10s died when world footbal accepted pep and jose answers for each of there two styles pep with the false 9 in messi and the greatest version of a ramdeuter could even say 8/10 hybrid in Iniesta meaning extra midfielders and overloads in possession and jose off the ball tactics having the 10 use there cover shadow to block passing lanes for the single pivot or transitioning within the game from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3 requires a ten with tactical understanding some physical attributes to get back and to go forward sniejder was a ten but tactically a central midfielder tho lampard crashed the box he had to do the work going back the other way as well they've both used 8/10 hybrids but the game keeps going forward players have greater physical attributes now and pressing is the mantra of every modern attacking team so no space for the ten but I think this can change unai emerys inverter that we see with Jacob Ramsey sometimes John mcginn or even when de zerbi had macAlister tho still a 8/10 ... still closer to a ten than a bruno or a Connor Gallagher
I realized the position was losing it's touch when Zidane simply didn't find James gud enough
Indeed
This video is not true imo, Bundesliga alone have Florian Wirtz, Musiala, Xavi Simmons, Dani Olmo. There are many amazing young number 10’s in all top leagues bringing back the position of natural 10. (Arda Guler, Kenan Yildiz, Eberechi Eze, Olise, Charles DK, Odegard, Szoboslai, Gibbs white, Bellingham (for now)) In my opinion the number 10 position has never been so good in many years, it’s through a renaissance.
I agree it's resurrecting but it hurts that most of modern number 10s were forced out of the role by coaches
@@georgesr8979Thing is Simons, Musiala, Wirtz to a lesser extent but still track back, Olmo darts up and down laterally, and the others are Box to Box mids as good going forward as back
@@georgesr8979Eze and Olive are wingers, Guler and Yildiz best examples but even they are all over, Bellingham legit sometimes just plays holding mid deep asf yes he scores doesn’t make him a 10, Szobo same as Bellingol, man just naming skillful players names, Doku a 10 now because he skills?
Musiala, Wirtz, Bellingham, Eze, Maddison, Sancet not to mention the obvious 10s like Bruno, KdB and even Isco who's having a renaissance season
True but they have to do a lot more work than the OG classic 10
@@r1medi I think thats the case for every position now with the tactical demands and pace of the game tbh but fair enough, great vid btw!
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most of the players you mentioned are more of an attacking 8 than a classic 10. Musiala, Wirtz and maddison are close but they still are not 10s like Ozil, james or Coutinho
@@No-Stack-Developer Disagree, they can play entirely between the lines which is what a 10 should do and carry a massive creative burden. Coutinho isn’t the best example either considering how much attacking quality he possessed especially off the flanks. Ødegaard is an attacking 8 who isn’t really a 10
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Juan Mata was something else in 2012. He will unfortunately be forgotten like all the others but his name will echo in the streets
I could never understand how he went from Player of the Year at Chelsea and before that a great player at Valencia to benched all the time on a sub standard Man U.. and I never understood why he put up with it... It was really hard watching Mata and James on Madrid Rot... Isco also got a stunted career because of bench rot ..
@@cadian122 exactly the reason of the video unfortunately, the 10 position required more and he slowly faded out of favour
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This is the kind of channel I like where people dicuss football as fans of football in general no biased views comments etc just fans of the game. this is how it should be!
But still it doesn't change the fact that Messi is better than Ronaldo.
@@vishaldora8803 😂 CR7 is better than Messi!!!
@@stephcrowned7464iam better than both end of debate
Zidane and Messi talked about this. They agreed that the old number tens have become wide forwards in the modern game i.e. the most technically gifted attacking player creating from out wide because it's the space defenders can't deal with today.
Thats also chanigng especially in the prem n Serie A where theyve started employing traditional CBs outwide to both defend transitions and the scariest opponents (usually a winger)
I agree with contents of the video but would like to add one point on the emergence of inverted wingers...Numbers 10s back in the day were dribbling gods and not just great in passing and creating chances(Maradona,Baggio,Del Piero,Zidane)....with LMFs,RMFs more like RWBs,LWBs ,the left,right backs due most of flank works and dribbling can be most utilized on the winger position ,hence best dribblers are now wingers....the number 10s now like KDB ,Odegaard are very good at playmaking and somewhat good in dribbling but nowhere near to the levels of the number 10s back in the day hence cannot play centrally alone, and the great number 10s from back in the day would surely be used like Messi on the wings for their dribbling and controlling middle at present.
With the cyclic nature of football tactics, I expect this to make a come back in 10-15 years
Yh no team really utilises 10s anymore. Traditional "10s" are now interiors e.g Odegaard
Nah odagaard is an offensive 8 wirtz is a true 10
Watch more Bundesliga lol, Simmons, Wirtz, Musiala, Olmo they all are natural 10 reviving the role
odegaard plays more of an 8 he comes very deep for the ball and leads the press
@@georgesr8979 only wirtz out of them plays as an traditional 10
@@francisignatiusborrero5986 not understanding my point
Great player adapt. Ronaldinho would be the greatest false 9 while Zidane will be one of the greatest no 8. Kaka will be amazing as false winger. But as Ancelotti proves, traditional no 10 can work. You just need to have player that is suitable for the system
Its called the false 9 not the 10 😂.
Good job correcting the guy Gungrave10🎉
The 8.5 position isn’t new. Bergkamp, Pirlo, Seedorf were all terrific examples of players who could transition from box to box and also be catalysts for quick counters and even receiving the ball in deep midfield.
Riquelme, David silva :(
Del Piero was actually a supporting striker [an 8] which was basically a striker with the skills of a 10 who had the freedom to roam across the frontline and who could drop back to midfield to get involved.
Most teams played with 2 strikers back then.
Yea like Dennis Bergkamp
So is Totti
@@Shandagrape15 totti was more of a natural 10 tho, but he played supporting striker quite a lot too.
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What happned was MONEY! Too much money got put into football and teams were no longer prepared to risk building their teams around a single player. Because if that player is out for whatever the reason (injury and others things) generally the team built around him don't do very well. But there is something about having CAMs in the side orchestrating the play, it was simply beautiful to watch!
Great content, great video.
KDB is literally an Attacking Midfielder. And now the golden boy Bellingham is also Attacking midfielder. That position ain’t going anywhere. Teams barely play with more than single striker anymore.
Jude hasn't played 10 since November 2023 my guy. Keep up!
He played as false no 9.. understandable@@Niimerium
@power279 a LM in 442 flat and 4222 is considered as False 9? Damn didn't know that. Thanks man.
Edit: Fucking idiot. We abandoned the 442 diamond since Nov 2023 and have been using 442 flat and 4222 specially, he's been a LM not a AM.
If you have watched Ozil, james or coutinho, then you would have known that KDB and Bellingham are totally different than the traditional 10s
@@Niimerium
He plays number ten behind Vini and Rodrygo, that are the two striker options he can pass the ball to.
Lothar Matthaus would thrive in these modern days.
Like it was tailor made for him
Lothar can play anywhere and at anytime. The most versatile player ever, probably.
There’s a difference between the starting line up not having a number 10 position vs how the players play. For example Messi started at right win for most of his career but really played as a cam once the game started for at least half of his career and it’s the same for most creative players that are allowed freedom
Not only in the professional level, but this is also true for grassroots and semi-pro.
Growing up I, like many others, used to play the 10 role but slowly throughout the years got moved back to an 8 or a regista role. Sad to see that the trequartista role is dying in football even from the youth level
most position has change now...GK that can start an attack and be a sweeper...CB that can pass and good with the ball...fullback that can join attack and invert into central...DM that can build up play from the back...winger than can score goals...striker that can fall back and pass the ball and AM that join in defensive action and press...they didnt dissapear..they just change to cope with tactic use nowaday...
Wow look at that, a Rimedi video! Never thought I'd see the day.
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Mata,Oscar and 2019-2022 Mount was something else.
Brilliant video u deserve more attention
Thanks bro🫡
Bellingham is arguably the best player in the world right now playing as a CAM for Madrid.
I think the game goes full circle and 4-2-3-1 is the formation of the future. Defensively solid, multiple passing triangles from any position on the field.
Yaya Toure 13/14 PL stats
App: 35
Goals:20
Assist:9
Big-chance created :40
Set piece attempted:13
Set piece scored:10❤🔥
Bro literally cooked in that season playing 10 role while Aguero was injured
Nice video brother
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Hey man, you forgot to say Rivaldo at the beginning, late 90s and early 2000s he was out of this world. Best number 10, I consider him even better than Zidane at this period.
Mum don't compare zizou with any player wearing 10 I beg
The Rui Costa vs Zidane debate used to be one of the most hotly-debated topics in early 2000s European football. That same Rui Costa benched Rivaldo. As good as he was, I don’t think Rivaldo was the same as Zidane.
Alex de souza the most underrated number 10
Profiles like Bruno is what is killing the number 10 role. He's United's main creative output and his style of play is just not that good to watch. I rate Odegaard a lot walaahi cos he's a blend of the Kaka playstyle with a modern twist. But great video my bro, editing was top tier
Bruno is good, he's playstyle is pleasing but this season he seems mentally exhausted and also he has been the players playing non stop since he was signed, he is truly a good player.
@@27DANKdo you also think that captains armband weighs heavy too especially at united just like that number 7 shirt does.
@@27DANK when I watch him nowadays it’s painful, like my guy is just hoofing the ball mostly and can’t dribble. He is also a scumbaggy player that’s cheating and whining
Odegaard is an attacking 8
The attacking midfielder that got me into football was Mesut Özil,the genius of Real Madrid,The Greatest attacking midfielder from the 2010's but Arteta didn't give him time to shine after a few years at Arsenal.
World class player but 2020 version of him wasn’t what football needed
@@r1medi I know but 2013-14 Özil was Goated ngl
@@r1medi But right now the best Number 10 is belli-goal or KDB the Haaland provider 😂
KDB isn’t a 10, maybe only Bellingham really
@@r1medi He(KDB) is playing at CAM rn
David Watson at Kilmarnock is a attacking midfielder so is Lyall Cameron at Dundee both young players that your bound to see abroad or in England soon
I wouldnt say the 10 specifically is dead but its the demands of the 10 that has changed. Where clubs are going for more physical player that can defend and attack. The squads benefits more from having a Pereira who has an awful output attacking wise but can balance the squad than having an ozil who will create 15 quality chances but will get depossessed and be a liabity from inpossession to out of possession transitions.
Mind you footballers are more skilled than ever before, to the point where center backs and keepers are now creating chances like no mans business. Anyone is creating chances.
Wingers are the next position to die, as we have more of attacking mid playing as inside fowards.
At the end of the day, fuck pep because people copy whats successful.
This is something that will happen to strikers top. It is acceptable for a striker to have less than 15 goals all season so long as the assists are good. More fluid strikers will be in demand. A target man like Ronaldo, zlatan and haaland will be a dying breed as clubs will favour a Hojlund, aguero, villa, benzema and cavani. Someone who can play a variety of striking traits. Can poach, can false, can be a target man etc. Clubs will favour more tactically fluid players.
There are good 10s today like Dybala, KDB, Jude Bellingham, Thomas Muller.
That number 10 from leverkusen is a real ten !!
Did you really said that Messi doesn't have the watch factor ? .
I get it Ronaldinho made you want to watch football, same case is with me but saying that messi does not have the watch factor same as Ronaldinho and zidan is absolutely crazy
Didn’t mean it like, was referring to people my age. Also think Messi is just sooo good that his ability doesn’t even seem relatable
Messi is the better dribbler and footballer compared to all these other Playmakers that are favored by this Somali dude
Im 27 and i know what you mean .. messi probably the best ever but he's was a prodigy from the very beginning you already knew what to expect @@r1medi
Ronaldinho peaked during his time at Barca let’s all be honest.
I like this discourse, but I think this video comes a little late lol. I think this Guardiola, positional play-era is slowly starting to fade and the set ups favoring two 8s is slowly reverting back to creative playmakers, that however have to put in more defensive work than a zizou back in his days. Look at Musiala, Wirtz or Bellingham whom you mentioned yourself. They are all centrally placed offensive midfielders with flair, around whom teams are built. I also think that this narrative of the premier league being Guardiola-fied is not the entrie picture. But the principles of positional play and the physicality of the premier league change the structure of football further to a point, where I believe that the game is "outplayed" and characteristics such as tactical awareness, cleverness and physical prowess are so widely common, that any further advancements in this direction yield diminishing returns, favoring the return of singular key-players that are strong in one vs one situations and more creative, meaning the return of the classic number 10.
still cool video, keep it up
You make a good point, thanks for the kind words bro
I think Modric a couple of years ago was exactly this.
Guti, Sergio Busquets and Andrés Iniesta were amazing too.
As a cam it is really sad to see 😭
The first real modern 10 was Kaka. I think the traditional no. 10 ended at that point in time.
It’s a bit like old term for 8.5: “Segondu volante”, I agreed most of what you said……they’ve changed the game not in the good way in my opinion, the real player maker nowadays is the manager and it’s system tactics, because of those managers’ success like klopp, pro-academies in favor of strong fast kids instead of skillful football intelligent kids, I have mentioned that in someone else’s video, this is fast food football rubbish but addicted
This video would’ve banged two or three years ago, but the attacking midfielder is 100% making a comeback as of the last year or so. Maybe if you’re referring to a single attacking mid sure, but Pep plays with two of these kinds of players right behind the striker, in midfield every match day. I would say the role has more so evolved rather than disappeared.
Who are good examples?
@@Eusou13 Kevin De Bruyne, Florian Wirtz, Kai Havertz.
@@Eusou13 I left out Odegaard as well
How wasn’t Kaká mentioned?
My favorite player mehdi taremi is going to inter milan and hes gona go or as an st or as a attacking midfielder but i dont think attacking midfielders will go extinct because most coaches these days are looking for such positioned players
Its actually true.... Defensive midfielders are what we need in football now...as a Liverpool fan I understand this cos it affected Chamberlain and is affecting Smith Rowe in Arsenal...that partly why Fabio Carvalho of Liverpool was sent on loan
Can you explain on what Messi position or role is? He plays much deeper in his later years post 2015 especially after barca relies him on creativity compared to his pep false 9 era. He also does not have defensive role much n always attack from deep and source of creativity for his team playing freely .. is he some sort of modern number 10?
Deep-lying forward, I think, like Bergkamp. The only difference is that Messi remained Barca’s main goalscoring outlet for years to come.
Kai Havertz kind of counts as CAM at Arsenal or Jorginho. Endo at Liverpool and Firmino before.
Odegaard
Football needs more messi and ronaldhino like players who never scare of taking on 3, 4 defenders, btw i think messi is better play maker than the players you mentioned in this video as no 10.
Messi yes dhino no dhino wont make it today defencive structers are bettere than befire so there almsot be no space for him to abuse he will play like neymar
When I heard the title I was thinking about people criticising midfielders that is extinct
It's hard to use "spiked" wingers with a attacking midifield.
Last player to really ball out as a pure 10 was Isco. For that one season he was arguably on par if not above Messi. Ironically under Zidane.
You really put Isco and Messi in the same sentence 😂
@@barcadc983 yes. I did. I don’t lick a grown man’s feet like most Barca fans.
I'm not a messi fan but that's madness isco nowhere close to messi . He was a great dribbler tho
@@dennisthemenace855 can you read? I said for one season.
@@mr.sushi2221 Isco had 14 G/A in his best season 2016, Messi had 44 G/A 2016… not even in the same universe
Platini retired in 1986.
CAM will always be my favourite position. The best ones are the heart of the teams. Goals, assists, passing, basically dictating the game.
This video is not true imo, maybe 5 years ago lol, but not now. Bundesliga alone have Florian Wirtz, Musiala, Xavi Simmons, Dani Olmo. There are many amazing young number 10’s in all top leagues bringing back the position of natural 10. (Arda Guler, Kenan Yildiz, Eberechi Eze, Olise, Charles DK, Odegard, Szoboslai, Gibbs white, Bellingham (for now)) In my opinion the number 10 position has never been so good in many years, it’s though a renaissance.
All of these players aren’t 10s if you watch them. The video was talking about classic attacking midfielder who barely does defensive work
@@r1medi All the players I mentioned are natural MODERN number 10’s bruh (except maybe Bellingham). Football has evolved and literally every single position needs to do defensive work in modern high paced, physical football. According to your argument then all classical positons died then. My point is that this video is outdated. And as I clearly mentioned the number 10 is going through a renaissance and has never been better in decades.
Bro we’re agreeing with each other! I’m saying the era of the classic 10 where players barely move is over. But I disagree with some of the players you claim are 10s. Musiala/Wirtz are forwards in my eyes, as is Dani Olmo and Morgan Gibbs White. Bellingham is potentially the only one but even he’s going to be deeper next season
@r1medi I don't need to watch this video to see you don't know entirely what you're talking about... As someone else has pointed out in the comments section... a traditional number 10 is akin to striker playmaker more so than a midfielder... they are that in-between, the best of both positions.. The flair, the creativity, the skill, the assist/finisher... Maradona was a freak, a pure artist that could play deep, right, left, central, upfront... Traditional number 10's (bar Maradona) would either sit behind the number 9 or cut in from wide..
Zidane was never a true number 10, more so for the national side than club side. People's misconceptions about what a number 10 was has been a result of all this new jargon about false 9, wide forward blah blah simply because of proliferation of so many teams playing 4-3-3 or the cowardly 4-2-3-1 and too many people (pundits included) pretending they're experts and historians..
A traditional number 10 almost always played in a 4-4-2 or 5-3-2 (mostly in italy)..
The closet I see to an old school number 10 would be Maddison (however I don't watch as much football as I used to) yet he is more of a traditional 8 in my opinion.. He among all others just dont have the freedom or flair to play the trafitional 10 role..... Side note, Let's not forget that these are arbitrary Squad numbers that do not always mean what people think, numbers don't always have the same job in different teams... I have seen number 7's (I.e Le-tissier) playing the traditional number 10 role... Then there is the number 10's who were/are pure speed demon out and out strikers that play ahead of a number 9 I.e Owen, Anelka..
Platini, Baggio, Zola, were fine examples of what a number 10 should be.
However, I do agree that (from what I've seen the past few years) there are next to zero traditional number 10's in today's football.. And anyone who says KDB is one obviously doesn't know what they're talking about...
And before anyone who's not old enough to bother reading this post, or keeps mentioning how many trophies a player has won (in a team sport) or that Messi or neymar are the greatest, or some juvenile half illiterate comment like "dunt know ball"..
I am in my 40's, have been watching football since the early 80's, used to watch Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English, German, Dutch, Argentinian, Brazilian, Scottish 😂, lower leagues, MLS, and even catch eurogoals which used to show highlights of Austrian, Greek, Turkish, and few other leagues.... I have watched more football than many have played Fifa Console games.
The 8,5 position box to box player sounds like a libero.
unfortunately i didnt watch football in the zidane ozil era (only highlights) but can someone explain why people think the no.10 is dying when theres still 10’s these days like kdb odeegard bruno wirtz and musiala around? do they play much more differently than the players back in that era and how so?
I try to simplify this. Messi was still the classic 10 in an Argentina shirt. The No.10, like Ozil, Messi, Zidane, early Scholes are the one that direct or create the team attack. The No10 are more like Pele and Bergkamp. They are attackers whose playstyles are closer to strikers than midfielders.
Odegaard, Kdb, Modric did that to an extent, but they are more like Iniesta and Xavi, are more like controlling midfielders. They played like normal midfielder, pressing, passing, trying to control the midfield, and then occasionally create an assist or initiate a coach drill.
You can see the key difference to see are that Ozil, Zidane, Messi, Maradona, Pele are all given freedom to play their game without the coach instruction. Odegaard, Kdb, Modric acted by their coaches instructions. So while they are playmakers, the flair that the former group generated, just gave a different feeling.
@@Account.for.Comment so tldr 10’s now are just another version of an 8
@@dankshadow5665 more like they play anywhere except 10 (behind striker, in front of midfield). In the 2000s-10s, more of the creative players were being put in the wings, like Neymar or Carzola but the most creative like Messi or Ozil got the central spot, (then they often moved to the wing without instruction). Now even the team most creative players like Trent, Zinchenko were put on the fullback role despite the lack of defense skill. While the most physical ones play centrally, like a typical midfielder or a "defensive" striker.
@@Account.for.Commentthat lies KDb is a free romaer at City 😂
@@Account.for.Commentkdb is a free roamer at City wdym 😂
Musiala , Wirtz , Ødegaard , Belingham , Fernandes , Dybala , Szoboszllai
But yeah very rare nowadays
I think Messi dudring the 2022 World Cup is the last great example of the classical number 10. He didn't contribute in defense at all, he limited himself to just playing football. Also Riquelme is a great example you didnt mention.
Playmakers are still there but play as wingers in the modern game. The position that is really dead is that of a fast runner on the wings, like a 7 or 11. Playmakers are not used behind stikers anymore
Pele is the beginning that's why people wear this number
bro really missed the best CAM Kaka
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Ricardo Kaka.
bangerrrr
The legend has spoken 🫡
maradona and pele used to play that role too
Just saying we still have bruno fernandes
and bellingham ofc
you're a really good content creator, if only you were more streamlined in releasing your videos your channel would grow.
Thanks bro🫡
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Thanks to Bayer04 building up attacking football in German league
As for the 10 dying completely disagree David Turnbull is playing 10 for Cardiff
I think the thing here is he is only watching elite football the position is alive and well in SPFL or English championship
I could give you more examples but you get my point even Rangers got about 4 10 ones on loan in Spain Hagi
career ban saktha hai ag
Thank tbe Gods we finally have one in Phil Foden.
10s died when world footbal accepted pep and jose answers for each of there two styles pep with the false 9 in messi and the greatest version of a ramdeuter could even say 8/10 hybrid in Iniesta meaning extra midfielders and overloads in possession and jose off the ball tactics having the 10 use there cover shadow to block passing lanes for the single pivot or transitioning within the game from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3 requires a ten with tactical understanding some physical attributes to get back and to go forward sniejder was a ten but tactically a central midfielder tho lampard crashed the box he had to do the work going back the other way as well they've both used 8/10 hybrids but the game keeps going forward players have greater physical attributes now and pressing is the mantra of every modern attacking team so no space for the ten but I think this can change unai emerys inverter that we see with Jacob Ramsey sometimes John mcginn or even when de zerbi had macAlister tho still a 8/10 ... still closer to a ten than a bruno or a Connor Gallagher
jude bellingham?
I’m a attacking midfielder myself
bro really said Coutinho
wwhat about dinho
So in short, number 10s don’t exist anymore because the defenders around them became smarter and more physical??
Ronaldinho...did he play that position too?
Later in his career he did
Paulo Henrique aka Ganso
Real Number 10
Abou diaby would be peak text book 8.5 in today's game
No wonder that I cannot read the modern game! Also the only true no. 9 left in the game is Erling Haaland in my openion?
Scott mactomnay the 8.5 😂
06:40 Michael WHAT!??!
I’m saddened to see the #10 die off. The game has become faster too in part due to lighter kits and boots.
I think Bellingham is kind of fit for this position
no theyre not, Im coming dont worry.
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cap bellingham is a cam what r u on about
Ariel Ortega, the player who made me fall for the game.
The number 10 are ask to be box to box players.
Ødegaard , Wirtz , Reus
Im 11, my favourite player is Zidane
Hey where the hell is James Maddison?! The best #10 in the world right now!
bro forgot the greatest cam Kaka
Bellingham?
Great video, but onlu thing I was annoyed in this video is, that you can wear your glasses properlly.😤
Eden hazard??
The what?