Top 10 Mistakes YOU'RE Making as an Outlaw Rogue in Dragonflight!
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- In this video I go over the top 10 most common mistakes I come across while coaching other outlaw rogues in world of warcraft dragonflight and how to fix them. If you're interested in 1 on 1 coaching, join the discord and drop a message in the #coaching-requests channel and I'll get back to you!
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0:00 intro
0:10 1
1:09 1.5
1:35 2
2:57 3
4:17 4
5:28 5
6:31 6
8:15 7
10:25 8
13:03 9
14:13 10
18:44 outro - Hry
Thanks to your videos I am performing properly on my outlaw now, I was very frustrated after being a beast in the last 2 xpacs and struggling now to keep up. I have to admit that I am not in love with how the rotation for outlaw is right now but at least I got the hang of it. ty!
Thanks for taking the time to break down the basics. This is my first time playing WoW with the homies, and I really appreciate all the details you included.
Of course! I'm just trying to help educate the rogue community to the best of my ability - and i really appreciate the feedback too :)
Love you Churpie! thanks for sharing and helping me getting a better outlaw rogue!
Really informative and helpful. Thank you 🙏. Been practicing outlaw and now I know I coulda dealt more damage.
Thanks for this video, cool info!
Been waiting on this one for a while thank goodness
OMG :O
I *SO* didn't know about Number 5. I always assumed it checks which monster you hit, not where you are standing. This explains *SO* much.
Thanks for making this video. I’m definitely improving 💙
Thanks for making this video churpie
Great VIdeo , thanks For the Great Stuff, it would be Great if you can Talk about Rogue's 5 Bis Trinkets in a video and which one's better in what situtations or which 2 trinkets Are better together 💙
I was about to give up playing my rogue 'coz I didn't undestand fully how to use his abilities, but now with this guide, I'm beginning to do so. Thank you so much Churpie!
got you
No question me too, I've never had so much difficulty with a new class as this, my dps was so bad it was not even funny. Learning these little details has helped me so much
Churpie! Thanks bud for the help
wow thank you very much for the video, it really helped me a lot.
Thank you very much man ! I know now what I did wrong and now with your help I can fix it !!! Sendig so many love from hungary !
Dude thank you SO MUCH for this video. I barely had started in before I learned something of ACTUAL SUBSTANCE.. I've wasted ages on videos that are 10+ minutes long and by the end of them I don't know anything I didn't already and I feel like I had time from my life stolen so someone could get views by regurgitating a wowhead guide.
I've subbed and will be looking into the rest of your content, it's so hard to find good videos with real content. You're doing the lord's work!
Thanks brother! Happy u like the content :) ill be posting updated guides once the 10.2 patch is finalized as well :)
This would be awesome for subelty too since it shifts more into meta. great content man!
Love the music :D Fitting a murderous assassin perfectly 🤣
For real tho, this guide is fantastic. I struggled hard getting my AoE going, sometimes i bursted like 300k aoe and sometimes barely hitting 100k. The vanish+dance rotation saved me from rerolling!
Glad you liked it :)
Thank you sooooo much!
Just got back into WoW after quitting early Slands after AotC Denathrius, this has been really helpful for helping improve my gameplay in preparation to raid again
This is great, I'm enjoying my rogue alt again now 😁
YOOOO some simple mistakes im making this is going to help me so much!!!!!
I love you!!!!!!!! Thank you so much
Que buen video , gracias por la info.
for number 4 one thing i really like doing is pressing blade flurry as im approaching the pack and then stealth so i get more ambushes. done properly i get it back and lose no uptime on bladeflurry
Great vid as always Churpie. Keep it up! I've a question for you. Who do you think is responsible for Explosives affix in a pug group? Outlaw rotation is so fast and dynamic I often see myself in a spot where is difficult to deal with them. Does this happen with you at all?
depends on the rating range - in high ratings its understood that the healer is primarily responsible for explosives, there are situations where others need to assist with them though, such as when more than 3 spawn at a time or during high damage events. In lower ratings, it's more of a group effort - I usually just right-click them to auto attack kill them instead of wasting energy on them. Sometimes I'll reluctantly send a pistol shot to kill one outside of melee range during damage events, but you need to make sure you dont have fth proc when you do that. The higher you climb, the more explosives will be killed by the healer, proportionally
Hey bro! Really good video! What is the name of the addon for your UI in general? Like bars, cds, energy and CP below your hp and those things? Im starting to do harder content (+15s and raids) and i cannot see shit my man, help me out please :D
Great videos, very helpful. Can you do one on you keybinds and weakauras
I can do a weakaura one for sure - i wouldn't feel right promoting my keybinds for anyone else though as i do not think my keybinds are easy, nor ideal. Theyre just what im used to
really good video though, really good tip with vanish into shadowdance to get vanish up again, my question with this is was it attempted from you to not do it on your own at "the raging tempest" fight or did u just missed to do it? minute 12.08 in the video
On that fight i had planned my shadowdances to get as many uses as possible at parts in the fight where i needed it.
Churpie great vid man. I'm curious about the CtO build. Are you using it for all fights or are you still swapping talents on ST/Cleave fights? (Vault)
Yeah, im running cto on all fights now. You can check the talent builds channel in the discord for specifics if you'd like
A pug rogue in my heroic raid tonight suggested I check out your vids and I’m glad I did! I’ll be hitting the target dummies tomorrow! What are all the addons you use for your rogue?
All my addons are listed on the discord :)
@@ChurpieTv Thx for the vids. Your discord invite links are not working tho.
@@lyeNom the link in this video works - just checked - and its the same link in every video iirc
Thanks for the video Churpie. Interesting some of the things you say contradict what's said in the Rogue Discord. They say to hold Shadow Dance until you're completely out of Opportunity and Audacity procs and Vanish is on CD even with CTO.
You're saying to send Shadow Dance regardless of Opportunity procs and when Vanish is on CD while Adrenaline Rush is up only when using CTO build correct? I'm going to give it a try. You only do this during Adrenaline Rush or all the time you send SD regardless of Opportunity procs?
yeah, i tried to talk in the rogue discord about this before and just got yelled at, even though i parse higher than rogues that dont play this way. If you're sitting on your vanish, youre losing the take em by surprise haste bonus, and if you sit on dance, youre losing it as well. This is the rule i follow for within the AR window, however, i play more around feel in general from pack to pack in dungeons. Sometimes i want to hold my vanish and dance towards the end of the pull, sometimes i want to send. It really just depends on the circumstance. Being able to discern between these things is what will separate you from other rogues
The best amazing video.... Love u peace
How is the name of the addon that show you the next abbility to press ?
CHURPIE FOR PRESIDENT! ✍🏻
hey man, tks for the guide, can you share the addon for track roll the bones buff pls?
First time playing rogue and I love it. Would you happen to have an online guide or google doc to follow for openers and general rotations to practice with? Thanks.
i do have a rotational guide video you can find on my channel, but no, no google doc
Loved the guide. Tell me though for outlaw is dagger OH still a thing or nah?
yupp fatal flourish talent makes it more valuable for us to run a dagger in offhand - you get more energy regen from it
good music bro
Thanks Churpie!
In addition, always wanted to know if we should follow an ambush / pistol shot if we got 5 combo points after using one of those, or add 1 sinister strike to get to 6 combo points🤔 what do u you think?🤔
Never sinister strike if you have the option to use a proc, vanish, or sd, instead. Unless it's at the very end of a pull
thanks
Great video, is there a way I can like import your UI? I’m using elvui right now but it is such a mess and messes me up more than anything.
I just use default blizzard UI - and I use plater for nameplates - my plater profile is in the discord attached to my wago link
Regarding point two - I've heard conflicting things. I've heard that you should use vanish if you have 3 stacks of pistol shot, otherwise use shadowdance if no stacks and both shadowdance and vanish are off cd. Is there a discernible difference?
Yes there is a difference. If you do what I say in the video, you will do more damage
Could you post you WA or whatever it is you're using on your layout it looks really helpful I have to look down all the time
you can find all my wekauras and addons in the discord, as well as in the video on my channel dedicated to addons.
Hey bro thanks a lot for the vid!
Hopefully you could clarify one thing about #2. Because I’m watching it over and over again and it’s not making sense to me.
You mention sending vanish whenever you don’t have access to ambush, yet you send vanish with 3 pistol shot procs that could get you to ambush. A few seconds before that you find yourself in the same situation, but you decide to send pistol shots instead of using vanish. What is the difference between both situations? Cause I would’ve held onto vanish until I ran out of procs which is what I understand you’re saying in the voiceover.
I am going crazy thinking about this because I don’t get why you do different things in the same situation a few seconds apart.
Hopefully you understood what I meant and thanks a lot! ❤
Also sending dance at the end of your AR for max ambush/dispatch gcds is the way to go EVEN IF you have vanish off cd?
Ideally you would have planned to get ur cds out during your AR window. Also, i sent a pistol because pistol is 2cp which is all i needed to spend, vanish into ambush would have wasted 1 cp. Outlaw is about acting second by second and trying to make the best decision possible each second
Would like to ask a follow-up here as well, as its still not clear to me. Are you saying that when we're playing CTO, vanish is no longer use exclusively to "restart pistol shot procs" when we're not proccing? We should instead be using it close to on cooldown for increased CTO procs?
@@nvm6869 yes - but this is more so during your AR cd window because it will allow you to spam even more ambushes than otherwise - when youre 2cto vanish and SD have more prio than FtH procs
@@ChurpieTv hey, sorry I didn’t reply sooner. I wanted to thank you for your reply. You have been helping me for months and I really appreciate it Churpie.
En regards to CTO and our current build, it’s still a bit awkward to me. outlaw gameplay is definitely all over the place right now let’s see how things shape up with next tier sets.
Do u damage the target u must to stun? Or its working like a fucus kick? And one more question. How to kick fast another target, when you have focus and macro on another? Use 2 different kick buttons?
i use 2 different kick buttons, but you could also use a macro modifier on a single button to swap between regular kick and focus kick.
You always want to prio damage on whatever target is the most important, so sometimes that could be your stunned target, other times it might not be. Depends on the pull
Churpie I have a question for when you are Mid fight and restarting your rottation with AR just coming off Cooldown - If I can not get back invisible/into my stealth Bar am I pressing both AR and then Vanish if I am not starting my AR from invis?
Not sure i fully understand your question. Mid fight your AR comes back up, you press it, then you use whatever cooldown you have avail that is the most efficient option to avoid having to use sinister strikes
i need this ui and the namplates are super nice to do you have a setup guid?
All on the discord :)
After the opening do you keep Shadow Dance and Vanish to par them with AR or u use them outside AR when you lack procs?
Use them outside of AR as well
Whats the WA you use for your energy, combo points & skills etc? Ive seen it and had it before, but cant find it now
afenar rogue ui
Just started wow 2 days ago and wanted to go outlaw. Thx for helping me not fk up these things before I learned bad habits lol.
Coming from ff as an ultimate raider cause honestly I'm sick of the which is harder argument and want to end it xD ik itl prolly be like half a year before I'm rdy for mythic shit but eh having fun so far so w.e.
Welcome to the game - im happy that the video helped. New season starting soon so ill be putting up updated guides soon too :)
I just became a better outlaw. Thanks Churpie!
What is the WA that you are using to monitor your Roll the Bones buffs?
its a simple RtB WA - i have the link for it in my discord (link in description)
hello churpie my favorite rogue :3 so i was playing sub rogue and i just changed to outlaw to see my damage with mastery gear in the dummies and i doing so much damage with main gauche and my outlaw is doing even more damage than my sub, main gauche always do more damage than pistol shots but not more than dispatch
btw i just tested it in the dummies
yeah the issue with high mastery outlaw isnt that its low damage, its that it's RNG based dmg. If you high roll a man gauche proc every time you swing, its huge damage, especially in aoe with ambidexterity talented, however, vers>mast will give you more consistent dps on aoe and st which is why it is favoured over mastery.
@@ChurpieTv now i get it thank you !!
Did you decide recently that the second point in CTO is better than Heavy hitter, churpie?
depends on the key, week, and group comp. If you need more boss/st dam, take 2cto, its less on overall compared to 1cto and heavy hitter, but if youre playing with a DH and spriest for example, you dont need more aoe dam, so for the good of the group, you sac your overall to kill bosses or large mobs faster for the group
is that weakaura telling you what to press or is it showing what you are pressing? the big one next to your boon
it is showing suggestions of what to press; however, I do make a note during the video that it is incorrect for maximum dps output during the video - if you want the addon, its posted in my discord in the addons channel
alot of ppl reccomended to me using dance if you had nothing left proc wise so even at 3 opp its good?
That is "optimal" to hold your cds till you have nothing left, but it you always play like that, while using CTO you are losing overall damage because youre not farming buffs when you could be.
bruh I cleared a 19 on my alt rogue and atleast your first 5 tips I didnt know about the rotation cause I didnt care to read I just assumed things. I am ashamed of myself XD.
I really would say that BTE should be used on cooldown even on ST because of 200% next pistol shot increased damage talent. What's your opinion about this ?
That's only for greenskin build. In this video i point out that im using the cto build
Whats your Addo who Shows your Ambush/Pistole procs ?
Bro I thought I was gonna have to change classes ! I just couldn't figure it out 😂
i got u fam
Hello i am new at wow and i love playing outlaw rouge but i have big problem with key bindings i find it so hard to do so much spells and rotations
yeah, outlaw has a lot of binds - takes a while to get used to - best advice i can give is make it comfortable for yourself - i dont think my binds are the best but ive been playing with these binds for years now, so im just used to them so i flow a lot more easily comparatively to when i started
Maybe an mmo mouse
Hi, thx for The video. Iam about to swap from sub to outlaw . Can you compare which one is Easier to play? Thanks
I personally think sub is easier
@@ChurpieTv thx. I like outlaw more, better animations and playstyle for me 😁 thx for content 🙂
These were good tips, I spent hours figuring out weak auras and fine tuning to make short audible cues for when my AD rush/BTE come off cd, nice SND and BF depleting bars. Tip 6 especially for M+ gimping peoples' damage - Another is take deft maneuvers in M+, shadowstep is plenty and the extra 2 yards i find to be amazing for zoning puddles without interruption. A RTB weak aura is pretty damn important too with an audible, can be so chaotic that a horn or some sound will get you to reroll in the chaos.
glad you liked the video! there's a lot of tools out there to help with people's gameplay so by all means, people should use whatever they need to optimize their gameplay
Do we wait for all audacity and fth stacks to be gone before dancing still or just send as soon as we can’t ambush?
as soon as you cant ambush send vanish>dance>vanish
Feed the mighty algorithm
I need this as subtl now
Soon enough
I see myself in a lot of your examples, lol. I mainly PvP. Would you recommend anything different for that? I joined your discord, and see there's not really a PvP focus, so thought I'd ask. Thanks!
Scowlawag, Orc Outlaw
Hey, theres a reason i made it the most common mistakes ahaha
I'm not a huge pvper, usually only push up to duelist each season then i afk from it. However, with pvp, you definitely play your cds differently. Vanish is used differently, cloak and evasion can be used offensively in low rating to just steamroll your enemies with no counterplay, just a different kind of game really
@@ChurpieTv Thanks! I should've specified Battlegrounds/RBGs. I'm not so much into Arena. Love BGs!
@Churpie Also, as a former teacher, I wanted to mention that I really appreciate your manner of speaking clearly at a measured pace. I see too many videos where the speaker is rushing their words or mispronouncing names of abilities so that it's hard to tell what they're talking about, lol.
@@stevejohnsonofdeitiesanddu9766 Glad you enjoy the content stevejohnson - im still relatively new to the youtube content creation scene, but learning quickly with the help from people, like yourself, with each comment posted - thank you for the feedback :)
what addon is he using that designates next best move?
its called herorotation, but as pointed out in the video, it isnt 100% optimal - so you still need to know when to follow it, and when to go against it. its a fine learning tool, but far from perfect. if you want the settings i use for it, join the discord and check out the weakauras and addons channel, i have my settings linked in there
Hey dude. What addon are you refering to under "part 3"?
herorotation/hekilli
@@ChurpieTv I don't know much about herorotation but I disagree with this point completely if you are refering to Hekili. Unless there was some sort of bug/issue when this was posted (which I am not aware there was) then it is 100% correct. It's going to give you the best output possible on a target dummy.
have you adjusted your spellqueuewindow?
nope, it's default
For #3 are you saying its more important to get Vanish on cooldown before you get into Opportunity/Audacity feedback loop so that you get more CDR and CTO upfront?
Yes exactly- especially during your adren rush window. Sitting on the cds while you loop your procs forever is "safer" but it's a dps loss. More cd usage=more dam
@@ChurpieTv Does this apply differently at 1/2 vs 2/2 CTO?
@@Preemz higher prio to enter vanish/sd more with 2cto, you can play the original game loop more if youre only doing 1cto
And same with dance with CTO? Do we still want to hold on to that until the loop breaks or get it out after vanish during AR window regardless?
@@nvm6869 i always try to squeeze it in after vanish but before AR expires to get maximum value out of it - if youre not in your AR window, play the loop regularly
What is the rotation add on?
All my addons, was, and more are all on the discord in their respective channels ;) if you decide to use that rotation addon, know that it does come with drawbacks and it isnt 100% accurate
Great video, but I'm sitting here watching your crit damage and it's 3 times what I'm putting out... and my gear is 389. Are my secondary stats messed up? I'm like 32% crit 24% versatility and 10% haste
little bit higher crit and lower haste would help - also making sure you have BtE up on the target youre hitting gives you the 20% extra crit chance as well
@@ChurpieTv thanks for the reply! I subbed :) but I'm talking actual damage like my dispatch crits for about 39k and I think I saw yours do 70-110k.
hey Churpie are u playing on 1440p 27 inch monitor ?
1440 32inch why?
@@ChurpieTv yea becouse i saw that u have more space and was thinking probably u are on higher res that's why :)
@@dreamseeker9207 ahh i see yesyes
If you sim ignoring Opp Procs for Vanish it’s a slight damage loss. So the rule that says use vanish regardless of opp procs is wrong.
yeah, i know what the sims say, but lets think about the pros and cons of using your vanish/shadowstrike for procs -
cons: if not used correctly, you can run dry and end up sinister striking a lot more than necessary by not being conservative with your cds. since we arent running gsw, our pistol procs have lower damage contribution overall
pros: you get the haste benefit from take em by surprise
you get more buffs which lead to overall better energy eco and the chance to roll skull and cross bones for even more procs and double ambush/ss procs
theoretically, you can go an entire pull without needing to dance or vanish just rotating your pistol and ambush procs, right? if the average pull in an m+ setting last a minute to a minute and a half and your just cyclign procs while sitting on your cds, you are losing all of that haste benefit from take em by surprise, as well as the nightstalker benefit for 8% damage increase, leading to energy starvation, not utilizing your the entirety of your kit to maximize dps, and less rtb buffs
so you can argue the sims for it, but there is no way that sitting on your cds is a dps increase in the aforementioned scenario. In the video i also demonstrate how when you cycle your vanish->sd->vanish, you are very likely to have your AR back up immediately or close to immediately after this rotation of cds which means more haste and a free double buff from loaded dice which will be acquired even slower by sitting on cds. You can't generate the same amount of CP by pistol shotting since it only gives 2p per usage with a proc (without the broadside buff) meanwhile ambush gives 3 baseline which leads to more finishers, and more cdr as a result and also benefits from skull and crossbones as well as broadside which leads to only needing 1 gcd or building per finisher.
Hope this offered some insight behind the reasoning for why I play outlaw this way :)
do you use an mmo mouse?
Sort of - i have one with 5 additional buttons on it - lg hero 502
@@ChurpieTv I see. I tried a Logitech g600 with like 12 buttons and it felt super awkward. I might go the same route as you and split the difference
@@aw_shux yeah i didnt want 50 buttons on my mouse - just enough to give me a few more options
I just started trying to learn outlaw and i do at least 8 of these lol
new updated guide with 10.2 changes are coming soon, too :)
@@ChurpieTv can you suggest a good roll the bones weak aura? One that tells if my roll is good or not maybe?
@kaddiloc1 best thing is to just learn what combos are good or bad. The weakauras for it arent always perfectly accurate. I just use one that shows the buffs on my screen
@@ChurpieTv can you include a section on that on the next one?
@@kaddiloc1 I'll try to remember to do that for sure!
You cut out after saying “but” at 11:55 can’t hear you speaking until 12:25. Nice to see some simple tips
Audio bugged out weird lol - however that was the continuation of the sentence 30 seconds later. My bad
Mistake u made in number 1 that u didnt even mention and prolly didn't notice is that u pressed Roll the bones and then Adrenaline rush, not consuming the Loaded Dice buff on pull.
jhope u add text for 10 x reason next time :D
... this defaut translation realy sux and some asia people cant catch up english smooth. ty for advice video btw.
ahhh sorry!!! I forget that I have viewers from lot of different places, I will make sure to write it out on screen as well in my next videos!
Mistake number 1. Picking a Tauren, rogue.
It's so ugly, I know. But 2% crit dam is 2% crit dam
Your first mistake is that you are playing Outlaw Rogue!
Love the info, but the presentation could be better! Put some time into editing!
believe me, it isn't that i dont put time into it, im just not very good at it yet lol - ive only started making videos maybe a month prior to launching this video with 0 prior video creating knowledge or exp. I'm actively trying to learn 1 new tool every time i make a new video though, so hopefully the quality increases over time :)
Vanish and Shadowdance... As Outlaw? I'm out... I wanna play OUTLAW not subtlety, cya!
Lol youre gonna be really upset at the new outlaw in 10.2 then. Fury war is a good choice for people that like outlaws playstyle but dont care for stealth, maybe its more your speed
@@ChurpieTv Fury warrior doesn't have pistol shot, or pirate cosmetics or themes.
If blizzard keeps removing sht in wow, their subscriber count will just keep disappearing, lmao. That's one of the reasons they're at the point they're at now, actually... But i guess blizzard never learns...
They're slowly turning Outlaw into Subtlety, now my reason to play the game, is gone... I like pirate themed stuff, not Ninja-themed stuff (Subtlety), not Assassin themed stuff... I like Pirate theme, i don't give a flying fck about anything else. If i CAN be efficient as a pirate, i will attempt it, but if that emans resorting to Ninja-themed nonsense, i'll just cancel my subscription, i guess. : /
What the fck are blizzard thinking, man?
Instead of giving outlaw all these r-tarded subtlety abilities, they should finally focus on giving them parry-based mechanics, or acrobatic-based mechanics... You know, actual swashbuckler things.
Instead, their profound lack of creativity make them turn it into a discount subtlety spec. It's actually just insulting, it means they're replacing what could be meaningful choices, with ILLUSION of choice, instead.
So yeah, i'm out.
@@MyouKyuubi i dont think you're super far of the marker. 10.1 has disillusioned a lot of rogue players, myself included.
that being said, 10.2 outlaw plays super quickly and i find it to be the msot fun ive had playing outlaw eve, and our main spender is now BtE, so it's kinda "piratey". There are a lot of rogue elements in the kit, but i mean, it is a rogue spec, so it kinda makes sense.
Sad to see you go, but maybe when you see my 10.2 videos it will encourage you to play again :)
@@ChurpieTv I've seen what 10.2 has to offer... Yeah, it does damage, sure... it does lots of damage.
But it's not "pirate-damage", it's "ninja-damage"... Raw damage alone, isn't enough to keep me interested, the WAY said damage is delivered, is 100% of the game for me, it might make YOU happy, but i'm not so easily pleased. : /
Stay frosty, bro!
@@MyouKyuubi all the best, brother
should've just been 1 point
"playing outlaw"
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