Hey, I can tell by some of the comments that many of you aren't familiar with the DOF adapter setup (yes, it vignettes! haha, but that is easily minimized), and as mentioned I'm working on some other videos - but in the meantime I decided to record a podcast episode about this and do a detailed blog post with the pros/cons of using it along with a few tips and best practices. So for those interested you can check all that out on my website here... www.iphoneographers.tv/post/my-love-hate-relationship-with-the-beastgrip-dof-adapter. Hope you find it helpful! -BC
It feels like there is some kind of softness, like it's never quite completely in focus... Is this the case? Or is it the lens being dirty or just some sort of post process thing?
Love the vintage-look of the glass, very cinematic! Can't wait to see the results when you're shooting on the FiLMiC Pro Logv3, Nitrate looks great on it
I was able to fix the focus issues when using it with my LGV60 by using a 37mm +10 diopter . I used this style of set up attached to a shoulder rig and shot a short film all shot at night for the Moment Invitational Film Festival.
These vids are great but once it becomes this bulky and complicated, I may as well get a DSLR. The whole point of using the iPhone for me is to simplify photo taking and videography given its limitations.
I agree, but I do see this being really interesting for someone who doesn't have a dslr and got a 12 pro with a phone contract. In that use case scenario, all they need is to spend like 500 more dollars and they have a fully functional dslr camera + photo studio + post processing computer + internet + phone. Mean while ive spend 2000 on a dslr camera a few hundred on lenses and have an iPhone. The begin from zero crowd, is gonna save thousands.
@@RetroBacon1 4k, isnt mediocre, Sorry my dude. I think your projecting a bit here. Slap an anamorphic on that and a good stabilizing gimble, preferable a pro gimble and you have all you need for film. Many current music videos and some short films are being shot on these with pro lighting set ups. Im sorry, but the "dslr" "pro footage" you're speaking of is not "pro" either. Unless your shooting with a Blackmagic or Red, you aint shooting "pro." This set up if perfect for a student photographer or an pro-sumer intermediate photographer. Hell, its even good for a pro who wants some simplicity. Go shoot more, you'll change that attitude.
@@RetroBacon1 LMFAO, your an archtypical photo bro. Brand is everything, gotta feel superior right? So ive done 17 international photo exhibitions and retired as a photographer. What you got BRO? Maybe chill out and relax or else your never gonna make it to old age and be the next Daido Moriyama. Gonna have a heart attack with that chip on your shoulder before your middle age. Chill. A professional photographer can make any camera do what they need to do. An iPhone 12 Pro max with studio/ stage lighting, and a crisp lens can do amazing things. Your canon, I assume, is fine, if you already have one, just learn how to use it and stop yucking people's yum cause you have a vendetta.
Yeah on wider shots it vignettes. I left them for this test, but you can push past them in post production (reframing) or use them for stylistic reasons similar to how people sometimes use prisms in camera.
Yeah that’s a good test for sure. You do have light loss with the adapter, but with the newer phones it’s OK. But I will include that in an upcoming video. Thanks for watching!
The shot you highlighted of the rake and shovel looks the best, I think. I'd like to see some night, low light, and people in the shots. I could see how if you decided to shoot on an iPhone where this could give that cinematic blur in some shots. When would you actually decide to use this yourself rather than use a dedicated camera?
Yeah I’m planning to shoot more and with people so you can see skin tone, motion blur etc. Also lower light, you do lose a stop (I think), but with the latest iPhone 12 Pro Max it performs very well in lower lighting.
I know there are always so many comments about what a waste of time this mobile gear is when there are better dedicated options to do the same thing, but I personally just love the tech piece of photography and videography (which becomes an expensive desire lol). This is just too damn cool! Thanks for the video.
Could you show us some shots that show why this DOF setup is better than the native camera? I’m just not seeing enough to justify $500-$600 of equipment. Thank you for your videos, though. Always enjoy them.
Definitely. I’m going to go more in-depth stuff. And it’s better (subjectively speaking) depending on what you’re doing. In basic terms it gives you a shallow depth of field that you just can’t achieve with a small sensor phone - and for many that indicates higher production value and thus higher quality. But there’s a lot more. And of course there’s advantages and disadvantages. Again I’m going to have more videos on this coming soon. :) Thanks for watching!
They did an updated version about a year or so ago. However, they are working on another new one. The larger phone sensors are making it more challenging you have to a +4 diopter now with the latest phones.
Good question, I’m not exactly sure. It gets complicated since the iPhone wide is a 26mm (or so) 35mm equivalent, then adding the DOF and external lenses it does zoom in some, so it’s likely around a 40mm equivalent or thereabouts. I need to do a side-by-side to figure it out exactly. The Beastgrip guys would know I’m sure though… beastgrip.com/pages/faq. I don’t see that exact info there but you could email them. Thanks for watching!
Never tried that. But you’d need to get an EF mount anamorphic or one adapted to that for it to work (or use other lens mount adapters). But then not sure about the edge vignetting. You’d want a longer lens for sure to minimize that.
Need help!! I have got my dof mk2 adapter and want to use it with sigma lens 70-300 mm . Which adapter should i buy inorder to attach dof mk2 with my sigma lens ?
First, which mount is it? Sigma makes Canon EF, Sony, Nikon, etc… Or is it actually a Sigma mount? If it’s not Canon, then whatever it is you need to adapt it to Canon EF. Second, while telephoto lenses are good for this adapter, slow lenses are not. You want f/2.8 or faster. That lens appears to be f/4-f/5.6. If you shoot outside in bright light you’ll be OK, but anything inside you’re going to have trouble. And lastly, you can’t change the aperture on an electronic lens. You can still get it to work though by first using a traditional camera to set it wide-open, and then connect it to the adapter. That’s why manual lenses (and ideally cinema style) are recommended.
Do you know if i can use a beastgrip pro, with dof mk2 and rails on a dji ronin s. Ive seen beastgrip use the ronin s but never with dof. Any idea? Not sure if it would balance right. Thx
Have not tried that setup, but it could likely work especially with a smaller lens. These setups tend to be top heavy too so probably need counterweights. Focus will be tricky for sure!
@@iphoneographers I was able to get it to work i dismantled the beastgrip pro and kept the essentials. Then, i didnt use the rails but took the lens support and attached it to my ronin s. Im now wondering if theres a way to attach a wireless remote monitor so i can see whats being recorded when using ronin at odd angles.
Given what you were using, an iPhone 12 Pro Max which I have too, combined with that gear….I agreed, it is impressive, it is because that’s footage from an iPhone, however, the trained eye will pick up on the shortfalls and by the comments on here, seems like trained eyes have been at work 🤣…….there was one clip, you used it again at the end of this video, that orange circle thing…..anyways, on that clip the first and second time I watched (had to go back and recheck) there’s seem to be a clarity circle where the edge of the circle, that separates clear from blur, to me was significantly noticeable and intrigued me enough to write all of this. I have my wild guess as to why that it is but again, trained eye and what I saw is more of “I’m intrigued” than “pppsss what a crappy clip”…..hope that makes sense, once again, I agree, it is impressive.
Think you’re talking about the top of a pool slide that was close to the camera in the foreground that’s out of focus with the shed being in focus behind it. That’s the kind of thing you simply can’t get with smaller sensor cameras that makes this pretty cool. This setup is definitely not for everyone and the naysayers are primarily people that don’t use their phones for more cinematic stuff and/or they’re just using it for everyday things like vlogs or vacations or whatever. That’s totally fine & understandable, really wouldn’t use it for those kind of jobs. I’ll have more videos coming soon about the advantages and disadvantages and more footage too. Thanks for watching!
@@iphoneographers I agree yet again, I have two canons and a mix of lenses and I still try here and just for crap and giggles to match the iPhone footage to the Canon. Hasn’t happened of course but with the right filters and gimbals, it can get pretty damn close. I’m more of a photographer than videographer and since Apple release their version of RAW, I’ve been testing it and pushing its limits, I gotta admit, in the right scenario, the iPhone will get award winning photos. I’ve been watching tour channel for years now, going on the fourth I believe, I’ve learned a ton from you so thank you and please keep it up.
Everyone is making videos with only with I phone using all this gears but I would like to see how it works with android phones also like vivo x70 pro plus and many more is it this gears works same as i phone on android devices if it is I would like to watch videos with android phones also if possible please make videos with android phones also kindly request thank u ✌
These setups you can get similar results if using a Beastgrip Pro since it’s universal. The Beastcage is iPhone only, so that’s one reason it’s mainly iPhones. Thanks for watching!
@@iphoneographers It didn't help me at all. I used shazam to find out what song it was, totally forgot that iphone had that built in: "Lo-Fi Lullaby · Stefano Mastronardi"
It looks like a nice setup, but it completely defeats the purpose of why I use my cellphone instead of my DSLR for videos in the first place. Simplicity. Drop it in my pocket and go. Bedsides... The video footage wasn't much better (if at all) after adding the lens and other things. Having said that, if that's what gets you up and out to create content/memories then more power to you.
Yeah different use cases. Would not use this setup for quick videos. However, if you’re doing a shoot and you have your phone to do quick stuff then you can easily swap to this and do more cinematic stuff. It’s actually very simple to setup and use. Awesome B camera too for use with traditional setups.
Not really seeing any chromatic aberration, there is vignetting on wider shots which is something you can use for stylistic reasons or just push past in post-production (to reframe).
Tbh everyone just needs to avoid this setup, the bokeh looks awful. Everyone do yourselves a favor, buy a small blackmagic pocket camera and you will get 1000x better bokeh and it is much cheaper than an iphone.
Ha, the bokeh looks awesome! The lens has 10 blades and has very pleasing oval bokeh. It’s actually great. No one is saying have this over a Blackmagic. You already have the phone, so it’s cool to have the option to rig it out or not.
Different mindset. Different jobs. You wouldn’t use this for a kids birthday party or vlogging your vacation. But shooting documentary interviews or a music video or maybe B camera for a movie… bingo.
Are you talking about like the old DOF adapters from Letus, etc.? Those were spinning or vibrating ground glass that projected the image on a screen. You don’t need that here.
@@iphoneographers "The sensitive focusing screen is fully enclosed for protection from dust and damages. Due to the nature of this technology, there may still be microscopic imperfections or specs on the diffuser surface of the focusing screen - which is normal." I guess it's an innovation to put glass around the screen, but the manual says there still may be specks.
Everything looks blurry, even the most focused areas still aren't super sharp. The edges look blurry and have chromatic abberation. Better to upgrade to a real DSLR.
Hey, I can tell by some of the comments that many of you aren't familiar with the DOF adapter setup (yes, it vignettes! haha, but that is easily minimized), and as mentioned I'm working on some other videos - but in the meantime I decided to record a podcast episode about this and do a detailed blog post with the pros/cons of using it along with a few tips and best practices. So for those interested you can check all that out on my website here... www.iphoneographers.tv/post/my-love-hate-relationship-with-the-beastgrip-dof-adapter. Hope you find it helpful! -BC
It feels like there is some kind of softness, like it's never quite completely in focus... Is this the case? Or is it the lens being dirty or just some sort of post process thing?
Update it for 13 pro max
It would be nice to see a split screen native iPhone vs. the Beast Rig.
Love the vintage-look of the glass, very cinematic! Can't wait to see the results when you're shooting on the FiLMiC Pro Logv3, Nitrate looks great on it
Thanks guys! Planning to do a video using this setup and CineMatch soon too. :) Fun stuff to experiment with.
I was able to fix the focus issues when using it with my LGV60 by using a 37mm +10 diopter . I used this style of set up attached to a shoulder rig and shot a short film all shot at night for the Moment Invitational Film Festival.
Oh yeah, I remember you mentioning that before. That’s cool. 👍🏻
These vids are great but once it becomes this bulky and complicated, I may as well get a DSLR. The whole point of using the iPhone for me is to simplify photo taking and videography given its limitations.
I agree, but I do see this being really interesting for someone who doesn't have a dslr and got a 12 pro with a phone contract. In that use case scenario, all they need is to spend like 500 more dollars and they have a fully functional dslr camera + photo studio + post processing computer + internet + phone. Mean while ive spend 2000 on a dslr camera a few hundred on lenses and have an iPhone. The begin from zero crowd, is gonna save thousands.
@@ryokokofficial and have the worst time making mediocre footage when they could take that 500 and get a second hand dslr.
@@RetroBacon1 4k, isnt mediocre, Sorry my dude. I think your projecting a bit here. Slap an anamorphic on that and a good stabilizing gimble, preferable a pro gimble and you have all you need for film. Many current music videos and some short films are being shot on these with pro lighting set ups. Im sorry, but the "dslr" "pro footage" you're speaking of is not "pro" either. Unless your shooting with a Blackmagic or Red, you aint shooting "pro." This set up if perfect for a student photographer or an pro-sumer intermediate photographer. Hell, its even good for a pro who wants some simplicity. Go shoot more, you'll change that attitude.
@@ryokokofficial CZcams skits don’t count
@@RetroBacon1 LMFAO, your an archtypical photo bro. Brand is everything, gotta feel superior right? So ive done 17 international photo exhibitions and retired as a photographer. What you got BRO? Maybe chill out and relax or else your never gonna make it to old age and be the next Daido Moriyama. Gonna have a heart attack with that chip on your shoulder before your middle age. Chill. A professional photographer can make any camera do what they need to do. An iPhone 12 Pro max with studio/ stage lighting, and a crisp lens can do amazing things. Your canon, I assume, is fine, if you already have one, just learn how to use it and stop yucking people's yum cause you have a vendetta.
Very nice footage.
The middle part is fantastic but Are those soft edges??
Yeah on wider shots it vignettes. I left them for this test, but you can push past them in post production (reframing) or use them for stylistic reasons similar to how people sometimes use prisms in camera.
@@iphoneographers excellent.
Not overly impressed with the image quality at the left and right extremes.
The DOF vignettes on wider shots in a stylized way. All you have to do is push past it in post.
Great footage looks amazing 💯🙌🏾
Thanks!
That toneh!!! 😂😂😂
i like the look of the shots
Would love to see how far you can take it in low light situations!
Yeah that’s a good test for sure. You do have light loss with the adapter, but with the newer phones it’s OK. But I will include that in an upcoming video. Thanks for watching!
Woah! That's quite the set up. Could you do a follow up video comparing this to using a tele lens or just the built in standard lens?
Yes indeed. Planning several more vids to compare looks and demonstrate different advantages and disadvantages.
@@iphoneographers Awesome!
Beautiful shot🌷
I guess this combo is ok if the look you’re going for is “Lens Baby” but even cheaper looking.
That’s only on wider shots and can easily be hidden by reframing in post or zoom past in-camera while shooting. I left it for this test.
The shot you highlighted of the rake and shovel looks the best, I think. I'd like to see some night, low light, and people in the shots. I could see how if you decided to shoot on an iPhone where this could give that cinematic blur in some shots. When would you actually decide to use this yourself rather than use a dedicated camera?
Yeah I’m planning to shoot more and with people so you can see skin tone, motion blur etc. Also lower light, you do lose a stop (I think), but with the latest iPhone 12 Pro Max it performs very well in lower lighting.
@@iphoneographers thanks for the reply and the video
I know there are always so many comments about what a waste of time this mobile gear is when there are better dedicated options to do the same thing, but I personally just love the tech piece of photography and videography (which becomes an expensive desire lol). This is just too damn cool! Thanks for the video.
Could you show us some shots that show why this DOF setup is better than the native camera? I’m just not seeing enough to justify $500-$600 of equipment. Thank you for your videos, though. Always enjoy them.
Definitely. I’m going to go more in-depth stuff. And it’s better (subjectively speaking) depending on what you’re doing. In basic terms it gives you a shallow depth of field that you just can’t achieve with a small sensor phone - and for many that indicates higher production value and thus higher quality. But there’s a lot more. And of course there’s advantages and disadvantages. Again I’m going to have more videos on this coming soon. :) Thanks for watching!
Just still video shoots without pulling focus really doesn’t help us mate.
Nice vid
Honestly BEASTGRIP should update the dof mk2 adapter, many limitations 20% darkness plus other issues is not cool
They did an updated version about a year or so ago. However, they are working on another new one. The larger phone sensors are making it more challenging you have to a +4 diopter now with the latest phones.
Did you use any adapter for those lenses.
It comes standard with the EF adapter included. You can get other ones for Nikon, etc.
Anyone else notice the blurry edges
Definitely, the DOF causes vignetting on wider shots. Telephoto is its best use or you reframe and crop in post-production.
Please do iphone 13 Pro Max w/ Beastcage + DOF MK2 adapter. Thank you.
Definitely! So far tho most Beastgrip stuff is not working right with the 13 Pro Max. But will know more soon.
Thanks for the info. I'm planning to upgrade soon, so this is a very helpful video.
Nice video.
Thank you for sharing.
What is the crop size of that 35 mm on iPhone sensor size?
Good question, I’m not exactly sure. It gets complicated since the iPhone wide is a 26mm (or so) 35mm equivalent, then adding the DOF and external lenses it does zoom in some, so it’s likely around a 40mm equivalent or thereabouts. I need to do a side-by-side to figure it out exactly. The Beastgrip guys would know I’m sure though… beastgrip.com/pages/faq. I don’t see that exact info there but you could email them. Thanks for watching!
Súper impressed!! I love that lens!
I’ve lived in TX long enough to guess that you live in Texas based on your back yard. Could be Oklahoma but I bet TX. nice vid 👍
Ha, yep! North Texas. 👍🏻
crazy
can i do this on iphone 8?
Yes indeed
That lens works with another cellphones? like xiaomi mi note 10?
Not sure, but they have info about the DOF here… beastgrip.com/pages/support-center
How do we get anamorphic wyth DOF
Never tried that. But you’d need to get an EF mount anamorphic or one adapted to that for it to work (or use other lens mount adapters). But then not sure about the edge vignetting. You’d want a longer lens for sure to minimize that.
Need help!! I have got my dof mk2 adapter and want to use it with sigma lens 70-300 mm . Which adapter should i buy inorder to attach dof mk2 with my sigma lens ?
First, which mount is it? Sigma makes Canon EF, Sony, Nikon, etc… Or is it actually a Sigma mount? If it’s not Canon, then whatever it is you need to adapt it to Canon EF.
Second, while telephoto lenses are good for this adapter, slow lenses are not. You want f/2.8 or faster. That lens appears to be f/4-f/5.6. If you shoot outside in bright light you’ll be OK, but anything inside you’re going to have trouble.
And lastly, you can’t change the aperture on an electronic lens. You can still get it to work though by first using a traditional camera to set it wide-open, and then connect it to the adapter. That’s why manual lenses (and ideally cinema style) are recommended.
@@iphoneographers Actually its nikon mount.Anyway thanks for reply…
Do you know if i can use a beastgrip pro, with dof mk2 and rails on a dji ronin s. Ive seen beastgrip use the ronin s but never with dof. Any idea? Not sure if it would balance right. Thx
Have not tried that setup, but it could likely work especially with a smaller lens. These setups tend to be top heavy too so probably need counterweights. Focus will be tricky for sure!
@@iphoneographers I was able to get it to work i dismantled the beastgrip pro and kept the essentials. Then, i didnt use the rails but took the lens support and attached it to my ronin s. Im now wondering if theres a way to attach a wireless remote monitor so i can see whats being recorded when using ronin at odd angles.
Cool. This wireless setup is pretty light and might work… czcams.com/video/dy2kVwAXNlQ/video.html
Given what you were using, an iPhone 12 Pro Max which I have too, combined with that gear….I agreed, it is impressive, it is because that’s footage from an iPhone, however, the trained eye will pick up on the shortfalls and by the comments on here, seems like trained eyes have been at work 🤣…….there was one clip, you used it again at the end of this video, that orange circle thing…..anyways, on that clip the first and second time I watched (had to go back and recheck) there’s seem to be a clarity circle where the edge of the circle, that separates clear from blur, to me was significantly noticeable and intrigued me enough to write all of this. I have my wild guess as to why that it is but again, trained eye and what I saw is more of “I’m intrigued” than “pppsss what a crappy clip”…..hope that makes sense, once again, I agree, it is impressive.
Think you’re talking about the top of a pool slide that was close to the camera in the foreground that’s out of focus with the shed being in focus behind it. That’s the kind of thing you simply can’t get with smaller sensor cameras that makes this pretty cool.
This setup is definitely not for everyone and the naysayers are primarily people that don’t use their phones for more cinematic stuff and/or they’re just using it for everyday things like vlogs or vacations or whatever. That’s totally fine & understandable, really wouldn’t use it for those kind of jobs.
I’ll have more videos coming soon about the advantages and disadvantages and more footage too. Thanks for watching!
@@iphoneographers I agree yet again, I have two canons and a mix of lenses and I still try here and just for crap and giggles to match the iPhone footage to the Canon. Hasn’t happened of course but with the right filters and gimbals, it can get pretty damn close. I’m more of a photographer than videographer and since Apple release their version of RAW, I’ve been testing it and pushing its limits, I gotta admit, in the right scenario, the iPhone will get award winning photos.
I’ve been watching tour channel for years now, going on the fourth I believe, I’ve learned a ton from you so thank you and please keep it up.
Everyone is making videos with only with I phone using all this gears but I would like to see how it works with android phones also like vivo x70 pro plus and many more is it this gears works same as i phone on android devices if it is I would like to watch videos with android phones also if possible please make videos with android phones also kindly request thank u ✌
These setups you can get similar results if using a Beastgrip Pro since it’s universal. The Beastcage is iPhone only, so that’s one reason it’s mainly iPhones. Thanks for watching!
What's this song?
Use Artlist.
@@iphoneographers It didn't help me at all. I used shazam to find out what song it was, totally forgot that iphone had that built in: "Lo-Fi Lullaby · Stefano Mastronardi"
It looks like a nice setup, but it completely defeats the purpose of why I use my cellphone instead of my DSLR for videos in the first place. Simplicity. Drop it in my pocket and go. Bedsides... The video footage wasn't much better (if at all) after adding the lens and other things. Having said that, if that's what gets you up and out to create content/memories then more power to you.
Yeah different use cases. Would not use this setup for quick videos. However, if you’re doing a shoot and you have your phone to do quick stuff then you can easily swap to this and do more cinematic stuff. It’s actually very simple to setup and use. Awesome B camera too for use with traditional setups.
This channel is so expensive for me 😂
Lol. Sorry. :)
Too much soft on the edge, not impressed at all
Yes it vignettes on wide shots but all you have to do is push in past that in post if you don’t like it. Or shoot tighter.
There seems to be a lot of chromatic aberration in the videos, I’m I just not seeing things clearly?
Not really seeing any chromatic aberration, there is vignetting on wider shots which is something you can use for stylistic reasons or just push past in post-production (to reframe).
First!
Tbh everyone just needs to avoid this setup, the bokeh looks awful. Everyone do yourselves a favor, buy a small blackmagic pocket camera and you will get 1000x better bokeh and it is much cheaper than an iphone.
Ha, the bokeh looks awesome! The lens has 10 blades and has very pleasing oval bokeh. It’s actually great. No one is saying have this over a Blackmagic. You already have the phone, so it’s cool to have the option to rig it out or not.
Everything looks soft. Super unimpressed. Looks like shi*
Ha, soft is what you want! It’s not soft in an out of focus way or bad lens way it’s soft in a great cinematic way.
honestly whats the point when it just becomes so bulky lol
Different mindset. Different jobs. You wouldn’t use this for a kids birthday party or vlogging your vacation. But shooting documentary interviews or a music video or maybe B camera for a movie… bingo.
if this doesn't have a vibrating screen it will ruin shots. this is actually going backwards.
Are you talking about like the old DOF adapters from Letus, etc.? Those were spinning or vibrating ground glass that projected the image on a screen. You don’t need that here.
@@iphoneographers "The sensitive focusing screen is fully enclosed for protection from dust and damages. Due to the nature of this technology, there may still be microscopic imperfections or specs on the diffuser surface of the focusing screen - which is normal." I guess it's an innovation to put glass around the screen, but the manual says there still may be specks.
Everything looks blurry, even the most focused areas still aren't super sharp. The edges look blurry and have chromatic abberation. Better to upgrade to a real DSLR.
It's the style