Deleuze - Control Societies & Cybernetic Posthumanism
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Deleuze contrasts his "Society of Control" with Foucault's "Disciplinary Society" in a short essay. I focus on Deleuze's posthumanist vision of the future, and explain its crossover with Cybernetics and Systems Theory using examples from education, biopolitics, and data mining.
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Deleuze & Guattari's Anti-Oedipus (amzn.to/2D3Nhd2)
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0:00 Intro
1:54 Machines
5:06 3 Societies
8:38 Dividuals
11:09 Examples
13:39 Cybernetics
15:33 Posthuman Futurology
Thanks to Wellison GP da Silva for the Portuguese subtitles!
I'm a Data Engineer and thanks to your vid I've just realised the scale of this logic of 'society of control' in modern world. Companies are pushing these cloud services and subcription-based business models thus eliminating the concept of 'owning stuff', replacing it with 'having access to stuff'. As for machine governance, there is in fact a widespread belief of 'technological solutionism' that algorithms+data is more than enough to solve any kind of problem, not just recognizing cats on pictures, but ruling entire countries, even though there are numerous evidences of algorithms (treated as black boxes) failing miserably at such crucial tasks. I'm geniunely stunned how accurately Deleuze could describe these trends back in 90s, as I previously held his works as utter gibberish.
Just wait till you get into Baudrillard.
I feel like these systems have a lot of potential to coordinate society in a way that's more beneficial for all its participants. The systems in a human body work in a way that benefit its constituent elements, and the disparate systems cohere to form a unified whole. But I don't trust the people designing these systems to realize that potential.
@@alpastor9868 agreed, that it is deliberately cutting the body up into different packages that you pay for access to.
For me the overarching cause of most of our problems is our current version of capitalism in the u.s.
The unsustainable and perverse goal of increasing profit year after year instead of thinking how best to benefit our own society is the problem.
Sad!
I also work in IT and experienced a creeping sense of recognition and dread in the last minute of this video.
@@edubmf Medical AI engineer here, yeah this shit is terrifying. :(
I wouldn't have minded if this was 6 hours longer.
lol... yep
Read the book lol?
@@liquidpebbles7475 these videos are more digestible for a layman. You'd need to do a lot of reading before being able to get into D&G
The essay is only 4 pages
exactly, me too
I see Pills -> I upvote -> I feed youtube algo -> I am a well-behaved digital citizen -> I am happy.
Great video!
Is this an automated feedback ? Jk
I sought out labels generated by tests like Myers-Briggs, Big 5, Enneagram, figuring out what my belief systems consisted of (turns out, it is panentheism, metamodernism, emanationism, dialectical thinking), and stuff like gender and sexuality, and I deeply broke apart very granular things like how I process information and how I confront emotions through introspection and meditation techniques.
My aim was to reduce the burden of self-regulation by figuring out what "works best" for me based on things I find most unassailable and unchangeable about my body and mind. Sort of establishing the guardrails and then letting myself operate "automatically" and only interfering when I experience dissonance, using the test outcomes/labels as heuristic guides to put myself back on the track of least dissonance and go about my merry way.
I have autism, so my guess is that I didn't internalise the mechanisms of control (modulations?) from institutions-or, I did, but with a lot of dissonance due to bad fit (neurotypical people designed the modulators, so me not fitting in, and being traumatised as a result)-led me to set aside a lot of time after high school to basically build my own modulators after observing and testing my mind and body at length.
That's what this video reminds me of.
I don't know what it says about me that, after casting off all the automatic regulation processes furnished by society, I felt such a need to reprogram myself with these custom-fitted regulation strategies, rather than just become completely solipsistic and freewheeling like an egoist or something.
But, clearly, I prefer having "guardrails", particularly in having some concept of myself as a dividual, as this allowed me to talk to other people better rather than having extremely idiosyncratic speech like I did after the "casting off" phase and prior to building new regulation strategies.
Perhaps some kind of machinated regulation is what many human beings actually prefer, because I remember the period of time between me un-internalising institutional controls prior to building new strategies, and it was rough.
I developed psychosis from the stress of it. Which, unfortunately for me, completely voided my emotions out and made me practically mute and I had almost no internal dialogue.
I'm definitely happier now that I have "guardrails", but a part of me always recognises that this is probably because no human being can really function without them. An atomic "self" is unsustainable, immiserating and unstable.
I think people in power have taken advantage of this, which is how so many people can remain in the thick of all these different types of societies (discipline, control, etc) even with the excesses and indignities they create. It's a trade-off for some deep human need for regulation as opposed to unbridled perfect atomic "freedom".
But instead of focusing on the indignities, I'll look for new weapons
There is freedom in knowing yourself.
I like videotaping in public, like a 1st amendment auditor without monetization. Its a glitch, and makes the system immediately breakdown while giving me a sense of power, or freedom. It has taught me the joy of breaking down the guardrails, both imposed by me and the society of control. I like it - therapeutic. Great post by the way, thanks.
@@pjeffries301 I guess it's better to have a lot of choice as to what your "guardrails"/regulatory strategies consist of; however, I wonder if some notions of "freedom" are just more coercive control mechanisms in disguise.
@@kerycktotebag8164 Perhaps so, but you gotta try it before you knock it. Show up at a post office, or a police station, or church and film from the sidewalk - the entire system of control collapses, coercion flies out the window. People melt. Its a hoot.
@@pjeffries301 i really don't know if we're using the same defintion of "coercion". I'm not defining it in a way that can be negated by whether or not you're behind a camera.
The future we're being steered towards is one which creates the conditions where humans will spend the most money. That seems to be conditions of anxiety, distrust, fear, loneliness etc. Basically the opposite of a content happy human life.
Exactly bro ! Thats becouse the admins of those machines are some monry starved capitaists who dont see any responcibilities on themselves and they just use whatever they can to make more money no matter the humanity's futore
That’s because it’s what humans want even if we deny it
Bear in mind Foucault & Deleuze did this work in the 70s/80s mostly... this is the social philosophy of the present and these 2 saw it happening at its very germination
And Ellul
Most underrated CZcamsr, legitimately made philosophy entertaining and insightful
Maybe because ppl didnt like to think.
Should philosophy be entertainig tho? Everyone expects to be entertained by everything they do, if it isnt entertaining it isnt worthy of our interest? There is definetly something wrong with that approach
@@liquidpebbles7475 yea something wrong cuz ape minds wants to be entertained and not to learn
Lmao that’s already philosophy why u saying like it’s boring or eom
@@liquidpebbles7475 such a pretentious take lmao
This is well done. I am using it in my university classes. Students told me they dug it for a bunch of reasons, but most liked the visuals diagram of historical periods, precise descriptions of images, quotes from primary sources that are easily read, easily noted by hand for student as it video plays. You got just the right chill tone on your presentation. Excellent. Can you do more on art and Deleuze. I teach two theory classes at an art institute and two philosophy classes at another university. You are spot on my friend.
This stuff sounds like a middle school book report to me. For all we know he's never read Deleuze.😅
It's so general ut fails toelucidate a single issue as issue.
Chewing gum
Hey Pills. Thanks to you I've just read the "Societies of Control" paper of Deleuze. He is scarily accurate in his description. This one has particularly stuck with me during the current pandemic:
> For the hospital system: the new medicine "without doctor or patient" that singles out potentially sick people and subjects at risk, which in no way attests to individuation -- as they say -- but substitutes for the individual or numerical body the code of a "dividual" material to be controlled.
Damn! It is almost as he has predicted various forms of social control that were implemented by some states in the form of quarantine control&restriction-apps. I find it utterly fascinating that he was able to envision those transformations in our societies in the early 90ies. I mean sure, some of it was already occurring during his time but most tendencies have only just begun to gain traction.
As a student of Deleuze, gotta say this was a good take on this important essay in 20th century philosophy. Thanks!
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I'm going to watch this when I have time to schedule in a post-pill-existential-crisis.
Meant in the nicest way possible
You got a mention at the end Noelle C
man you nailed a pretty dark vibe to this video, kinda creeped me out a little bit. nice video i enjoyed it
Indeed, it's nice.
nothing darker than his vid on lacan’s the real
Fabulous work, you really hit the nail on relaying Deleuzian (and related) ideas and showing how prescient and on point D&G were!
Old Deleuze AND Guattari guy is overjoyed to see this kind of work.
I'm really happy to have found your channel! Can't wait to check out the other videos.
Thank you so much for this video. Each video you put out opens up my world a little bit more. I've seen lots of CZcamsrs attempt to explain these same concepts, but you are the best at explaining complex literature in a simple and easy-to-understand way. Your illustrations/animations not only make your videos extremely entertaining and keep my attention (which is nice because I struggle with attention problems), but they also help me totally understand things quickly.
Thank you for making these videos. I have watched all of your videos, I share them with my friends, and I look forward to any new videos.
Also, I'm bewildered that you're not way bigger than some other CZcamsrs I watch, frankly. In due time, I suppose!
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Keep up the good work! I really appreciate your effort and production of the videos.
I'm incredibly happy the video recommending machine steered me to this video. I'm just starting to read Anti-Oedipus, so this is great.
Never ever think that this channel will get attention, I don't think people are that active to pay some attention.
Keep going we keep following.
Yooooo I didn’t know Norbert Wiener coined the term “cybernetics.” I study pure math, and he’s an incredibly big deal in stochastic analysis. He’s also the source of both some of the best math terms (tight Wiener space, for example) as well as a whole genre of math jokes making fun of his famously extreme absent-mindedness.
Great video! Very clear and the examples are very well chosen!
This is one of the best videos I've ever seen.
Great videos, very high quality and intersting, I'll be watching more of your channel.
Perfect timing for this
Thanks so much for this. There is this famous video :societies of control and antipsychiatry, iam happy that this one is out now too
You are amazing, so glad I found your channel!
Coming at this as someone with a bit of a computer programming background, it is funny to me that "maps" and "dictionaries, highly related data structures concepts, would be what the flows use to recognize users.
When [you] as a user engage with a flow in the computer age, the computer either looks [you] up in the computer's dictionary or uses a map to find where in its memory [you] reside. In either case, [you] is then understood to mean "this set of parameters this system logged here" and all access and interaction must pass through this point to be lasting.
That results in this hyper literal point where "I", the person writing this comment, am just the numbers that map leads to presented through literal machines.
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Phenomenal presentation & production! More Deleuze on podcast too plz, contrasting & comparing his ideas perhaps to Jung, collective ucs, archetypes, etc...
big fan of the entire aesthetic you’ve got.
really enjoyed this one, more deleuze pls!
Really getting that deleuze idea where you always approach from the middle, and only through expanding and returning over and over do you actually carve out an understanding. Because that's literally my experience with deleuze and posthumanism; metaphorically bashing my head against the text until somehow out of nowhere everything starts to click as you watch/read the same thing for the thousandth time. All this is to say, I love the your content, man. You both expose me to knew forms of thought and are a helpful supplement when digging deeper into said thought - - I still rewatch the humanism series even as I dig into core texts on the subject.
Anyways, can you expand on that deleuze quote at the end, and what he means by it? I have some idea simply due to my limited understanding of his work, but I'd like to hear your understanding of it.
Deleuze no se refiere a los "Qué", se refiere a los "cómo". Al quedarse quieto, al perder toda la velocidad uno se encuentra en una situación donde pierde la potencia, donde uno es capturado. Deleuze habla de los "cómo" porque busca dar las herramientas para separarse de las líneas existentes para crear líneas de fuga. Esa frase también me genera sensaciones de filo, de radicalidad: literalmente dice construir armas. Saludo cib3rnetiko:)
Super video, as a photographer and writer on visual culture I find Deleuze's theories very interesting. Just in the process of finalizing a video that includes his theories on Societies of Control, will include a link to this video for sure! Thanks!
Nice content!
Thank you for making these ideas make sense. This is a great channel 😍 I have never heard the phrase “word salad” and it’s a perfect for how some of these ideas seem at first💡
I like the moving dots in the background.
Thanks! An interesting expansion of what you mentioned here might be how do gender and ethnicity play a role and how are we being also modulated/categorized with stereotypes and affective disciplines?
OK. I've become a Patreon supporter. As an economist, I love your work. Keep it up!
This is probably the most clear and concise video I've seen about Deleuze. Subscribed.
It seems like the CZcams algorithm is a cybernetic machine analyzing our viewing patterns and showing us more content that will increase our time on the site and maximize ad revenue
Every site works that way nowadays
Captain Obvious to the rescue
That’s uhh… why I’m here.
A thousand thanks for helping me understand better what i'm reading
great stuff as always, many thanks!
w move that you show clips of abitw.
brilliant video. this concept reminded me of throbbing gristle's "short-circuiting control" philosophy, and realized how visionary of a band they were.
Great video, nice work!
Markov chains are the mathematical implementation used heavily in AI (esp. self driving cars and robots that need to update their location) of the continual updating of flows of information.
I'm sure the justification is some variation of "efficiency" but can you speak to any particular reason markovian method is used over perhaps more effective means? I don't know if that even makes sense as it probably entirely depends on the goal or what I mean by 'effective' but I do know the youtube recommendations are dogshit and I constantly find videos I would think should be obvious recommendations like days or weeks later. Also, I only read the first paragraph on wikipedia (so I'm basically an expert) but I feel like this is basically historical materialism except applied to bullshit goals like 'time on site' or whatever which is kind of humorous and kind of hell.
such a great video; ty.
I loved this video, but I wanted to share it with my hard of hearing friend and realized there are no English captions. Just thought I would give you a heads up. Thank you for all your work!
fantastic love deleuze content
Can't believe I haven't found this channel earlier. These videos are fascinating and exactly what I am looking for. The whole (progressive) political sphere on YT is severely lacking in post-structuralist philosophy.
Thank you for the respect you show towards D&G and Foucault by reinventing each part with adequate graphics and animation work, really making things come out of the words and quotes (and from their backgrounds and saliences too), you're a super intelligent young guy and be it by more and more improvising or on the contrary on having the episode more and more pre-designed, or both, and as you say its your weapon, a weapon of word-things and their use for an out loud dialogue, with thoughts and ideias and diverse discourses and practices that are themselves the thing itself, also flows and cuts built through several layers and dimensions... I feel you're pretty much there, as they say... I guess,, because I feel when seeing an episode as a whole object of art and philosophy, and complex communication, also respecting the complexity of this authors, with all the words, and all the images made to match what is an embodied philosophy of the authors and that you so well transform and recreate in your videos. Thanks and congratulations (would love to hear you on Georges Canguilhem's Normal and Pathologique, and authors from other areas like Ilya Prigogine on systems that live in the chaos thanks to dissipative structures; Maturama and Varela on autopoiesis concept... anyway many thanks)
Amazing explanation
I'm just discovering your channel and it's great, thank you ! Keep up the good work ! Hoping this feedback will be used as a new input so as to steer your auto-regulated behavior towards maintaining your given pattern, but feel free to deviate from it so as to use new liberating weapons...
Fantastic channel! Keep it up!
best explanation among all. ❤
Great video!
bro thank you for this. this was really informative.
Superb content and visual delightful context of technical depth connected intellect enriching whole cybernetics engineering control experience within and between meta realities reflective restricted regressed and repressed, yet resonant existential essence of a being master of things happening in on around embodied built-up/down flow states chained digital environment.
This video is so freakin fire . You really understand this content and it shows. If we paid professors based on teaching skill , you should be ballin 🤑
fantastic video!
really cool video..great for people not well-versed in post-modern jargon
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Here's some feedback for ya.. that was a frikkin wicked lecture dude. well done and thank you🔥🔥♥️♥️🚀
This is, excuse me, a damn fine video and a great job of clarification !
Bravo !
This is an excellent video. My Eyes are wide open!!! We human's free will and freedom etc., to exist are threaten and it's extremely important and necessary for humanity's survival as an intelligent species on this planet.
I have appreciated your video, thank you!
excellent work and video making, i watched twice, ty
Well thought, researched, organized, and presented, in combination with knowledge (in contrast to information) of the intuited, intimated presentation of the original philosopher. You know how rare thing that is today?
Post Humanists understood the Technocratic Dystopic vision of the sociological perspective of the Technocracy movement.
Rudolph Steiner carried both Religious Philosophy and cyclical Eastern writings throughout the Post Humanism he envisioned already entering the greater global culture being created in late 1800s.
Subbed and will refer others to your vids when appropriate for my podcasts.
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Hey man, I know I'm commenting on this pretty late, but I just wanted to say again that your work is absolutely phenomenal and each video is better than the last (no pressure or anything; I just notice that your skills are really skyrocketing). I love everything you put out, and always look forward to whatever you put out next. Stay healthy, and eat the state!
You're helping the world thank u
Machine learning and the resulting algorithms are a great example of modern cybernetics.
Thanks again, as always, for making these ideas available and understandable to a pleb like myself
I’m not familiar with Deleuze, or really any formal philosophy. Regardless, I’m keen to the formation of this “control society” and to post-humanistic concepts.
I’m one of the most caution people I know regarding automation, Ai, surveillance, etc. with the formation of this “brave new world,” I detect one of the only possibilities of maintaining any individual autonomy is to become well versed in computer languages, Web3, DeFi and so on. I may be off the mark here, but I don’t see an alternative.
As the old saying goes, “in order to break the rules we first must learn the rules.” Frightening future ahead for our presently evolving control/surveillance societies; even more frightening for those who will be its subjects.
This video precisely describes this post-covid world we’re living in now. Scary…..very scary….
This is also very relevant to Haggerty & Ericsson in regard to Data. Their theory of data double and machines!
Great Video! I actually think, one day we will call this (21th) century deleuzian :0
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible - Frank Zappa
this is the only thing i want to add here. Superb video.
This is very eye opening.
Amazing video. I wonder if by watching this video eill steer my yt algorithm to a new direction.
Really great video. Reminds me of the book Survellience Capitalism by Shoshana Zuboff.
This video is basically object oriented programming
Fuck yeah! This is fantastic. We are still warring for the word "cybernetics" and eventually "cybergnosis". If I could pair a wine with this lecture, it would be "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs"
Awesome job as usual and I think I've said this before but the dope aesthetic you've created through the presentation I think really captures the essence of the neoliberal era. I know this was framed through the extension of Foucault's biopolitics, but I feel like Deleuze's concepts would be even _more_ enlightening and/or relevant when framed through technological rather than biological analogues a la Mr.Robot like with logic gates and such but maybe that's just my aesthetic preference and actually probably a pretty direct result of this whole totality.
Also, perhaps coincidence or arbitrary or just someone actually willing to admit they've changed their mind about something, but I think the only time I was able to catalyze some sort of 'deterritorialization' of some libertarian guy online was through referring them to consider Foucault's conception of episteme, so maybe that speaks to the accessibility of these concepts to evoke some reconsideration of thought in relation to our confining...episteme...of liberal bourgeoisie "rationality" that essentializes capitalism literally at all costs.
Amazing video shows off how the virtual world has helped but also ruined the world
It'd be interesting to contrast Deleuze's metaphor of the machine with Hegel's metaphor of the organism. I wonder if Deleuze was consciously critiquing Hegel's conception of society in part, alongside primarily mapping out and critiquing society directly.
Organisms are self-repairing, self-replicating machines.
Maybe of interest to some: Jeremy Rifkin's book The Age of Access (published 10 years later) looks at systems in terms of not how they know and interact with people but how ability or willingness to pay will determine whether or how people get to use those systems. The rise of video streaming and software subscriptions are examples.
Great vid
Thanks for this video. I now understand better where Nick Land comes from and what he later developped, and what Mark Fischer took from Nick Land to critcize him in return...
Unironically clicking the Like button on this
Deleuze and Guitaroo man
Great video, thanks a lot! Question: becomings aren't fixed in number, right? You can become what society prescribes but also whatever you can and want at any moment, right?
14:22 The verb cyber- (κυβερνώ) has a double meaning in Greek, as to steer but also as to rule. The word Κυβερνήτης (governor) is the one used for a captain commanding a ship, hence the steering aspect, and more broadly the one commanding power
Control systems are quite evident this year. Both their success and failures.
Do you have any thoughts on Ilyenkov's treatment of cybernetics?
Real time feedbacks are the key to steer our behaviours - take a speedometer as an example
thank you for your channel. i have a question, maybe you or someone here can help me with that. are deleuzian machines and latour's actor-networks the same concept?
Not the same, but I do think the goals each author has in mind are similar in that they want to avoid positing two separate worlds (one for humans, and one for non-humans). In that respect, both ANT and D&G's machines are theories about "causality". Most theories of causality distinguishes conscious causality from non-conscious causality (something like the divide between culture and nature), and both Latour and Deleuze seek to disrupt that duality.
really awesome seeing reference to norbert wiener's work. its such a classic work. ive lived in europe and australia, so can offer some contrast. i live in japan and education here is really something. typical school week is 6 days for students. on top of that, attend each day a 'cram school' for additional tutorial and work. additionally, the children are expected to foster some other special talent, maybe in sports, or for example mastering a musical instrument. all in the pursuit to gain entrance to one of the top univerisities here. its so completely intense
i think such a reality leads to why 'otaku culture' is a 'real' thing here. its clinging to some kind of way to live out a kind of childhood that never existed.
@@lovetherobotshow I never really put these things together but I have definitely wondered why like every single anime takes place in highschool and revolves around acquiring a harem of ladies so this definitely makes sense.
Hi, just out of curiosity where have you found the quotes from Foucault and Deleuze in the beginning?
Thanks for a good video!
Can you please answer me on this one? I am going crazy trying to find it somewhere on the internet