RV COMPARISON Montana vs High Country Luxury Keystone Fifth Wheels
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I LOVE all your videos… interesting, funny at times, engaging and very informative!!!
You are truly the master in explaining about RVs 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Wow, thank you for sharing this kindness today! Please share some feedback on what you like or would like changed on the RVs as our videos roll out!!
It is nice to have the differences explained to us. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video as always. Appreciate the detail of the differences, if even just minor. Especially useful right now when many of us won't have the RV show option this year for walk-thru's.
That's one of the things that sparked me into starting this series. Hoping more folks find them useful because boy howdy do they take a LOOOOT of time to put together
Awesome details Josh thx
Thank you Josh always the best RV review videos
Thank you Rick! I just try to share the stuff I would want to know!!
Like em both. Nice how you brought out the weight difference between High Country and Full Monty. Food for thought when buying. Thanks again Josh. bill in Florida
That's a big factor between them. I think almost anyone could/would be happy with either member of the Montana family
If I were towing a lot, then I'd go high country
If I were parking mostly, then I'd go Full Monty
Great job
Great video! I know it's older but still explains a lot! Thanks!
Our pleasure! Still about 90% accurate
You always do a great job with your videos! We have found them to be very helpful. We will definitely consider your dealer when we are ready. We are in Northwest IN (Valparaiso area).
Just in our back yard then! We'll see you when you're ready. Meanwhile keep the questions coming! :)
LOVE IT!!!
Thanks for a great video I have a Montana HC I love it.
Man you did well! Hard to ever go wrong with any montana
Add the LEGACY too. And as usual - Awesome video!
We actually have a nice video detailing the Legacy package available here czcams.com/video/OBQeMiGEig0/video.html
So well explained. Details details!
TY TY :)
I love your videos, very helpful and educational. I don’t know if you have but can you make a comparison video of a top of the line cougar and a Montana high country? Also do you know if they still made the big sky?
Here is High Country vs Cougar
Big Sky is still there, but not by that name specifically.
Montana used to have 4 sub-categories: Mountaineer, High Country, Hickory, and Big Sky
* Mountaineer & High Country were merged into what's now just "Montana High Country"
* Hickory and Big Sky were merged into what's now just called "Montana."
Most of what defined Big Sky is standard with the ability to add the Legacy Package to take it Above and Beyond
I kept waiting for you to call it a FULL MONTY! Come on Uncle Josh, you left me hangin'!
The full month left you hanging
Sometimes these jokes write themselves
Great video. Montanas baby!!
You know it!
Great info!!
TY Chuck! You just can't go wrong either way with these two :)
Great job very well defined
TY Jeff! :)
I needed this, thank you so much!
Happy to provide
@@JoshtheRVNerd Really enjoyed the video. Where can I get one of those gray Haylett RV hats? Currently full timing in WA so a drive to your shop is out of the question!
@@ROF_85 That hat I wear is actually only one of two ever made. My brother made a pair and gave me one. Later Nike stopped making that "Fit" or whatever they call it which sucks because I'd love to update it and we get a TON of requests! It's my favorite hat ever and one of the only ones that fits my weird shaped nugget nicely
We do have hats we source from a local family owned embroidery shop, but their supply has been short so we have had to reserve them for Haylett clients for the time being. Normally I'd just have one fired out to you! :)
Good video. Thank you.
My pleasure!!
I love these comparisons! Can you do one on the Montana vs Alpine?
I would like to. They’re more similar than different as sister brands
I don’t usually get a chance to see them side by side unfortunately
Nice explanation on the differences, Didn't they have High Country across the front in the past in big letters?
I don't think they ever really drew a lot of focus to it
Thanks, Josh, I enjoy your videos. You typically do a great job of explaining well whatever topic you're on. I do feel that you danced around this one a bit. I know you are focused on holding up the value of the HC vs the "Luxury" Montana, and rightly so. We own a 2018 305RL High Country and are really enjoying it. But I know that there are some key structural differences that you didn't address that definitely adds to the weight differential between the 2 lines. The 12" I-Beam frame in the Luxury vs the 10 I-Beam frame in the HC is a big weight difference and a strength difference. The floors are more stout in the Luxury, especially in the slides. The amount of flex in the dining slide in our HC is one thing that is problematic for me. That said, I think you are absolutely correct in the overall form and function between the 2 lines. We knew the differences when we bought our HC and didn't see the need to spend the extra $15,000 for the Luxury model.
Thanks for the service of education you provide. Keep up the good work...I'll keep watching and learning.
Hmm.. dancing around something wasn't my goal, but now and then whether it's from lack of sleep or just general distractions I may have a hard time "zeroing in" on the task at hand and disconnecting a bit. re-watching this a bit I sorta feel like that was happening now and then. Perhaps that's what you're picking up upon
TY for bringing this up -- feedback from actual owners is hands-down the best kind
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks for responding, I know you're busy. I'm not trying to be critical and I appreciate and enjoy the work you do. But as an HC owner I wanted to point out that the differences between these 2 lines, in my opinion, go beyond cosmetics and features. While it's important to know those things when researching what to buy I found it important to understand that there is a core difference in the underlying strength of the build with the lighter frame and floors. Whether those differences will have an impact on the durability or longevity of our HC remains to be seen. Since one of the tenets of the HC vs the "Luxury" is to make it lighter it makes sense and I knew those differences before buying. I'm sure that not everyone wants or needs to know all of the nitty gritty differences when researching to buy but, for me, it was important to know. Thanks again for taking the time to read comments like this.
You kidding? YOUR feedback as an owner is the most valuable we could see here
Thank YOU for taking the time to share!! Please don’t be a stranger!!
Thank you 😊
You're welcome 😊
Josh thank you. Once again your videos are so helpful. I appreciate everything you do. When it comes to cold weather living, do these two differ from any insulation factors or are they both rated for cold weather as well. Sorry to be so annoying but I’m thinking about rv living and just trying to learn
No worries John! Keep the questions coming! These both have the same weathering package
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you for your reply
Great review Josh. We now own a 2020 3120RL which we purchased in May. We love it so far. We have had a couple of warranty issues but Keystone has worked with us. It is my understanding that the kitchen counter is solid surface. Is the bathroom counter solid surface or sticker? I wipe out our sinks after use and am concerned that if the bathroom is a sticker it will no longer stick if I wear off the caulk bead around the edge.
I love your videos. My daughter now lives in Michigan and you can be certain we will contact Haylett for our next unit. We own a site in Florida where we winter. We change units every 1 to 5 years.
Bath counter is a sealed thermofoil (aka formica topped basically)
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks Josh.
Great job Josh. Can't wait for my 5er to get there.
Can't wait to meet you man :)
High country also has the better Floorplans for families. Such as the 376/377 FL. Few more bunkhouse models
Oh absolutely. "Montana" will likely never have a "True bunkhouse" - a middle "bonus room" at best
High Country is where they keep their family models
Great video. I thought only the Legacy package has solid wood cabinets.
Until very recently that was accurate. That feature was rolled from Legacy to all "Big Monty" units
@@JoshtheRVNerdThank you. One more thing. Any differences on the insulation of the walls?
@@joeruiz3905 None in the walls. They're both hot/cold proven since 2005 with only SLIGHT variances between them
Really like the Montana! I'm in Canada what would be the price in Canadian dollars on a thirty five or six foot rear living?
I’m not in sales and would need to refer you to our team at www.bishs.com/contact-us
I was really surprised to see that only the Full “Luxury” Montana has “all” solid wood cabinets instead of some particleboard. What Jayco, Wildwood, and other models that you carry have “all” solid wood cabinets?
So we can make sure we're "Speaking the same language" please use this video as a reference: czcams.com/video/KWkBfYsUSEs/video.html
Nearly no towable RVs use stained hardwood cabinet stiles and rails (aka the "box" of the cabinet). Plenty of RVs like Cougar, Eagle, North Point, & High Country (among others) use full lumbercore cabinets
So High Country uses what I call "Better Still" cabinets from that video link while Montana uses "Best" styling.
Regular Montana is better built and that's why it weighs more, high country is OK but they fall apart pretty quickly because they're built with cheaper materials.
The condition of even older used Montanas, High Countries, and even the older Mountaineers indicates otherwise. Structurally they do fantastically. There's nearly no variance in build between the two montanas.
Is the 4season ability the same between each model?! Same construction of walls and ceilings? I am looking for a rv i can park and live in for 9 months as my house is rebuilt.
Yes. The structural stuff is the same. It's just the "fancy factor" that changes between them
Basically, High Country = XLT. Full Montana = Lariat (or King Ranch) :) Retirement = Montana. Weekend traveler = High Country. But, main thing, as you say, it is all in what one wants. And I want a High Country.
I like how you've boiled this down. Way faster than my video LOL
I love the montana 3915 ...Do you think that when driving the motorhome, the rear of the RV drags against the concrete of the road (dropflame)?
Sorry - Motorhomes? Montanas are not motorized RVs
Regarding tail drag- depends on inclines encountered
@@JoshtheRVNerd driving the rv , sorry ...
What are the major differences between a Montana and a Northpoint or Pinnacle? Have you done a comparison of these?
I have a growing list of comparisons here czcams.com/video/Ht5NiaaG_50/video.html
I have North Point vs. Pinnacle footage already live
Montana vs. North Point is coming soon
Just completed some Cougar vs. High Country but that won't be out for a while as I'm super backlogged currently
Do either or both have dual heat pumps or are they optional on either or both? I really like them both.
Both types of Montanas have the 16.5k heat pump on the main A/C
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks Josh.
We were told by an rv repairman that if we live full-time in a 5th wheel, we should get a Montana especially if we're in Colorado. I like floor plans for the Montana high country, and the Montana, and we like the cougar, but we have to decide what fits our budget. Which is the best for living in winter?
They have almost the same wintering packages and are built nearly identically
This is a comparison you may find handy
m.czcams.com/video/lj-78DQLs_E/video.html
Is there a subflooring and/or insulation difference?
Their floor constructions vary as mentioned in the video (Laminated on High Country & Constructed on Big Monty). Beyond that R-Values and treatments are the same.
Even things like CNC Routed sidewalls for enhanced precision -- forgot to mention that when recording!
Sidewall construction and finishes, and differences between high country and lux Montana? Are both gel coat?
For clarity: *All* fiberglass in the RV business has a gel coating. Not trying to be nit-picky -- making sure I'm answering the correct question here :)
They're both "High Gloss" which I think what you're asking
Yep, thanks Josh. Thanks that’s the answer I was looking for, thanks! Just comparing the sidewall finishes between a Cougar and the Montana lines. And whether the HighCountry had the same high gloss finish as the Montana Lux line
Maybe they have changed since I bought my Montana in 2015, but back then the Montana had a very smooth wall exterior where the High County did not. In comparison the High County appeared somewhat wavy and the Montana was very smooth and flat. I was told that the Montana used two layers of the Luan wood material versus only one on the High County. The smooth wall really makes a big difference visually.
After watching your 2022 Montana 3121 video, I was confused on this very topic, coming from a 2021 Cougar Half Ton 30RLS myself.... I didn't look at the Montana's last year because of the cost. But now...... (thanks Josh!! lol) I already think I want the new Montana 3121 based on a few more features etc.... which you point out and I don't want to exceed 35' for greater campsite flexibility!! Btw.... the BOSS is going to want to shoot me!! lol I can see the higher end quality and I'd like it to be my "last one"! As I've stated before.... you are clearly the best in the industry doing these review's, you really have taught me quite a bit, thank you Sir!! Bish's is extremely fortunate to have you working for them for sure! Thanks again Josh.👍😎
Wow.. TY Chuck! I'd really appreciate it if you had a chance to share a quick review at bit.ly/3sQtSlV and drop my name in it sometime!
@@JoshtheRVNerd I will certainly put it together and gladly get this review done. Thx!!
Do they make a " luxury" Montana toyhauler? If so what models are available? Thanks
Montana doesn’t make a hauler, but that’s basically a Fuzion
Ok thanks
I understand having the different trim levels but I think it’s odd that you can’t pick both the floor plan and the trim level. You’re basically stuck with the trim level that is offered based on the floor plan you’re interested in. I’m just surprised that a manufacturer hasn’t taken that approach yet.
If you saw how production works for rvs, then You’d understand
Stuff would grind to a halt and pricing would jump due to labor time
Have they gone back to the old door handle. Can't get a electric lock for the new ones.
Not sure which generation of door handle you’re referencing, but here’s a current Montana for reference m.czcams.com/video/RZdDB-hPjFM/video.html
The old handle east west ,the new handle goes north south.
How much would it cost to ship one to oregon
I'm not personally well in tune with the going shipping rates myself. Apologies. Our team at www.haylettautoandrv.com/contact/ can get you shipping estimates easily though
What is the difference between a cougar and Montana?
I don't yet have a Cougar vs. MHC Video (It's on the list). But here's the cliff notes version:
*COUGAR:* Lighter, Less Expensive, Combo W/D prep, iN*Command
*MHC:* Drop Frame Bigger Storage, Taller Bedroom for Stackable W/D Prep, Ceiling Fan, A/C Heat Pump, Power Theater Seating, possibly Bigger Fridge by models
They're definitely related, but each has enough of a unique identity to separate them
We will hopefully be 5th wheel owners in the near future. We started looking a few weeks ago, absolutely no hurry which is good. We have read good things about the Montana brand, just had not been able to see one. The extent of our looking had been Jayco North Point and Pinnacle, both very nice. Pinnacle is our favorite so far. Today we got a chance to look at numerous Montana and high country models at a Camping World, no less. I have to say we were both disappointed, I would not compare the North Point VS High Country, and definitely not the Pinnacle and Montana. Two of the Montana models had spots in the floor that was soft, as in a little give!! The overall feel inside was not necessarily cheap but not custom. Cabinets opening and closing, materials etc. The execution was missing in my opinion. One model already had a tire blowout from delivery, salesman said they all put cheap tires on them!! Not! Jayco certainly doesn't. Again, Jayco's water system already has the filters built in, separate fresh water drinking system. The power reel, location and execution of the hookups, Generator prep, battery location, solar prep, all execution that Jayco seems to do much better. My wife would have walked out of the Jayco dealer with one during our first visit, except I wouldn't pay for a 12K paint job. Although we are new at this land yachting we come from the water yachting world, what you would call a class A with twin Cat Diesels Generator, etc., so we are familiar with how it all works, as in power, hoses, and all the extra goodies we spend so much money on. My bride likes to put eyes on the real thing and not the brochure, and she was surprised at what she perceived to be nothing like what the brochures looked like. We are looking for a Grand Designs now to look at. They seem to be well liked as well. Sorry Josh, Montana is definitely not for us.
No need to be sorry. Different strokes for different folks!!
And we love your videos, getting educated, thank you
I'm sorry, but in my book anything with a drop frame is not 'weight sensitive'.
Yes I know there are some light weights with a drop frame, but still
I totally get what you're saying. It's all relative.
Even "Ultralite" has no real definition. It's a relative phrase.
24 days? I can't wait that long. Let's make it 24 hrs. Lol
LOL - go re-watch that 376FL Video again :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh, my son and I have seen it soo many times we lip sink to it when we watch it. Ryan can copy you to a tee.....lol
@@scottmichel9582 Like watching Frozen with my daughter lol
Every time you make a video I question what I want to get...
You know how I often say "They're all the best in a different way?"
You're experiencing the meaning of that statement. It's great you're able to see/appreciate the value of different models
But that makes it tougher to narrow one down!
@@JoshtheRVNerd i was really looking at the North point but not sure i want to pay for it. So far I'm thinking coachmen brookstone, like what they offer in the price point, jayco eagle possibly, and the Montana high country i think are in my top choices right now.
@@buckwuk7984 On the 21st I have a video coming out that shows the differences and mostly the similarities between Eagle and North Point right here czcams.com/video/JDaC06kyWeM/video.html
The first thing I thought when I read the first half of your reply was "Eagle is the answer then." Sounds like you're already on the mark.
AND! I have an Eagle vs. High Country video here for you to review those two side by side!
@@JoshtheRVNerd good info..I'm really pulled towards jayco like you mention in, I think all of your videos, nobody does what jayco does. I still would like to get the northpoint always keep looking at it. Maybe in time the wife will agree the extra money is worth it.
That wind seemed very lazy. (To lazy to go around you so it goes right through you)
lol -- like lighting, but less zappy