100 Point Bed Leveling Mesh In Under 10 Seconds! (Beacon)

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  • čas přidán 20. 10. 2023
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    BED_MESH_CALIBRATE
    In today's video we dive into Beacon and Eddy Current Surface Scanner capable of high speed precision bed leveling. I have used many types of bed leveling options over the years but nothing comes close to this. We will go over what Beacon is, requirements, and cover the steps of getting it set up.
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Komentáře • 208

  • @humbledeer
    @humbledeer Před 7 měsíci +11

    Love to see it zoom! Thanks for showing us around the Beacon. 🙂

  • @alexanderdiogenes8067
    @alexanderdiogenes8067 Před 7 měsíci +41

    I love my Beacon. It was finicky to get perfectly aligned, but it's soooo fast. I run a scan right before each print as part of my print_start macro, after a z-tilt adjust. It also works super well as a chamber temperature probe. I like to move the toolhead away from the bed during the chamber heat soak phase.

  • @reprinted3D
    @reprinted3D Před 7 měsíci

    I've got one going into my Voron build; your video will be invaluable. Thanks, Daniel!

  • @IntenseWiggling
    @IntenseWiggling Před 7 měsíci +1

    I got one of these installed to my 300mm switchwire. Love it.

  • @thenextlayer
    @thenextlayer Před 7 měsíci +1

    NICE. Can't wait to try this on one of my printers. $80 is indeed tough to justify for a cheaper one, but for my Voron, why not :)

  • @jankohler562
    @jankohler562 Před 7 měsíci +7

    Electrical engineer here; if you exchange the screws holding the bed with magnetic iron screws, the probe should not have anymore problems with detecting the z-offset on those points.

    • @dnb9913
      @dnb9913 Před 6 měsíci

      why?

    • @jankohler562
      @jankohler562 Před 6 měsíci +3

      ​@@dnb9913 The probe uses magnetic fields to detect the distance to the printbed. This is due to the eddy current produced at the surface or also known as Lorentz force. Which means in retrospekt, the magnetic conductivity of the volume. Iron has a higher permeability compared to aluminium or steel, which lead to a more reliable detection. Hope, I could help. Cheers! (ツ)╯

    • @Dweenz69
      @Dweenz69 Před měsícem

      @@jankohler562 But we want it to detect the build plate not the screws. If anything, they should be a nonferrous material so as to not interfere with the build plates magnetic field.

    • @jankohler562
      @jankohler562 Před měsícem +1

      @@Dweenz69 Sorry, no. The keyword here should be homogeneity. The printbed is ferrous, so the screws should be ferrous too, so that the magnetic field will not detect a sudden change of the field strength in those points, due to the different metal. Of course, this is all just a theory of mine. If I am wrong, you are more than welcome to share it. Cheers! (ツ)╯

  • @alexismakingthings1800
    @alexismakingthings1800 Před 7 měsíci +13

    I’ve been using the Beacon on my Voron and ENder 5 Plus for several. Love it. Especially for massive beds.
    Combine it with KAMP (adaptive mesh) and you can have 2 second meshes before smaller prints.

    • @MyBrothersMario
      @MyBrothersMario Před 7 měsíci

      @@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5 No thanks, personally I'm a follower of Aslan

    • @chirrupted
      @chirrupted Před 7 měsíci

      does it need any special firmware or something for the 5 plus?

    • @richard3365
      @richard3365 Před 6 měsíci

      @@chirrupted The Beacon only works with Klipper (for now), so you need to have already upgraded your machine to Klipper in some way (for Enders, there's always the BigTreeTech Manta E3EZ board which is specifically designed to be a direct drop-in replacement on any Ender, and you can attach either BTT's proprietary CB1 aka Control Board 1, or Raspberry Pi's CM4 aka Control Module 4 for the Pi module section). Besides the Klipper upgrade, the only extra thing you need (specific to running the Beacon) is covered in this video.

  • @LSEngraving
    @LSEngraving Před 7 měsíci

    man , that is super fast! Excellent info!

  • @TripodsGarage
    @TripodsGarage Před 7 měsíci +1

    Wow! I would want to upgrade all my printers with a Beacon as well 😀

  • @Aron3DP
    @Aron3DP Před 7 měsíci

    Finally the Beacon video! I missed the notification 2 days ago lol

  • @UncleJessy
    @UncleJessy Před 7 měsíci +5

    Holy hell that is cool

  • @riodave4954
    @riodave4954 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Would love to see this come to the mainline printers like creality k1 (what I have) would be fantastic

  • @printingprinters8490
    @printingprinters8490 Před 7 měsíci +7

    i love them. All my printers run beacon. With a printer that has manual bed screws beacon makes bed adjustment a breeze i adjust off the mesh because its so fast and accurate.

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před 7 měsíci +2

      I did the exact same thing on my vzbot. Got it from the .25 range I had it adjusted in to right at ~.1 😊

  • @KeithSachs
    @KeithSachs Před 7 měsíci +1

    ayooo glad to see the video, hope you're doin well :)

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před 7 měsíci

      There he is!! Shoot only took me a year 😂. 2024 goal is to build a K3 🙌. Thanks man staying busy. Hope you are doing good too 😊

    • @KeithSachs
      @KeithSachs Před 7 měsíci

      haha well you've got a lot going on so i don't blame you, and HELL YEAH k3 is such a fun machine you'll love it! @@ModBotArmy

  • @muggipellegi1064
    @muggipellegi1064 Před 15 dny

    Ich habe den beacon surfacescanner und bin vollends zufrieden. Schnell, präzise und zuverlässig👌🏻.

  • @hobbes2402
    @hobbes2402 Před 7 měsíci

    This is the first time I've seen your channel and I loved the video. What printer/ build is that and do you by any chance have a video already of how to make it? I've been into 3D printing for a few months now and want to step up my game, my Ender 3 is good but I want to make or buy something better.

  • @jasonwoody8041
    @jasonwoody8041 Před 7 měsíci

    Love beacon myself. I will add it to two more of my pri ters someday but i agree $80 is a hard pill to swallow and they seam to be on a constant backorder as well. Also its not recommended that the usb cable go into motion chains. So it would be a great option to have a fep wire option for that.

  • @g.4279
    @g.4279 Před 7 měsíci +36

    These are cool, but unless your build plate is raw metal, the actual bed will tend to have coating like PEI, or have glass or G10 on it. So the actual bed dimensions are physically different than the Eddy scan of the metal part of the bed. Load cells will always be more accurate.

    • @dsp4392
      @dsp4392 Před 7 měsíci +6

      My thoughts too. Might work well with spring loaded steel plates, but in my experience these are not the best printing surfaces. With the Beacon you'd be scanning some metallic structure underneath your actual print surface when using glass/pei/resin, and then rely on z-offset to get the height right. Problem is, your surface might not be the exact same thickness everywhere, so you're back to square one.

    • @Wassermelonenbaum
      @Wassermelonenbaum Před 7 měsíci +1

      I was so disappointed to learn that this was just an eddie current scanner. If I want to probe underneath the surface, I can keep using a cheap inductive probe.
      Cool idea, but kinda missig the point :/

    • @teitgenengineering
      @teitgenengineering Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@@Wassermelonenbaumi think the only real benefit is speed

    • @Wassermelonenbaum
      @Wassermelonenbaum Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@teitgenengineering I totally get that you dont wanna wait ages for that, but of what use is getting suboptimal and sometimes straight up not working results twice as fast?
      I think the couple minutes saved arent worth it if I can have more accurate and reliable probing.
      Looking at my X1C, it takes about 7 minutes to do a full calibration run including nozzle probing and LIDAR surface scan as well as flow rate calibration. If you feel like you dont need to do anything again, you can always choose to skip parts of the routine.
      I love saving time wherever I can, but I learned that I waste more if I haste through stuff like that.

    • @HE-162
      @HE-162 Před 7 měsíci +9

      For smooth pei it should be more than accurate, as the film from the factory is more accurate than we need it to be. For rough, powder coated pei, it’s probably more accurate than a physical probe because unless you’re probing extremely granular meshes, you may tap spots in the powder coating that are abnormally high or low, leading to an averaged mesh that is adjusting an area on the basis of a tiny high or low spot. Any spring steel sheet, regardless of coating, is going to have a deviance in coating that is essentially irrelevant for bed adhesion. The designers of this sensor are extremely knowledgeable and talented, I doubt they’d waste their time making this if it was inferior to other options. As long as you’re running it on a spring steel based bed, it’s definitely far more accurate that you could possible need it to be. We’re talking about nozzle offsets for first layers that not only have squish, but are fairly large at .1-.5mm. The speed of this thing also allows you to measure a mesh with far more datapoints, far faster, than you could ever dream with a probe(unless you want to wait an hour), which means you’re able to get a mesh where point to point variation is much lower, and thus much more precise.
      For spring steel, this thing is the way(for now).

  • @davydatwood3158
    @davydatwood3158 Před 7 měsíci +31

    That is very cool to learn about, but man, that process. This is very, very clearly aimed at the "tinkerer" side of the hobby, not the "It's just another tool" side where I live. Bit's it's awesome to see the tech move forward and it would be very cool if a company like Bambu were to license this and use it in their next generation of printers.

    • @rocketboyjv5474
      @rocketboyjv5474 Před 7 měsíci +9

      The tinkered side? That's a really easy setup.

    • @3DThird
      @3DThird Před 7 měsíci

      In a couple of years time you'll see many Chinese alternatives implemented directly in their printers with like 10% of the price

    • @davydatwood3158
      @davydatwood3158 Před 7 měsíci

      @@rocketboyjv5474 My inherent pedantry requires me to point out I said "tinkerER," not "tinkerED," but with that out of the way - I do not know if you are saying there's an easy joke to make from that, or if you're saying the setup process from this product is in fact easy?

    • @polycrystallinecandy
      @polycrystallinecandy Před 7 měsíci +2

      Wdym? It's 90% the same process as using a normal bed probe.

    • @coltenmeredith8899
      @coltenmeredith8899 Před 7 měsíci +1

      it's really just the same setup process as most bed probes.

  • @simontillema5599
    @simontillema5599 Před 7 měsíci

    Following this thread with high interest! This might be a thing of the future...

  • @3d_printer_go_brrrrr
    @3d_printer_go_brrrrr Před 7 měsíci

    yooo. lets goooo. new mod bot video!!!!!

  • @collegestudent6071
    @collegestudent6071 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This makes me grateful for the lidar on my X1C

  • @NochSoEinKaddiFan
    @NochSoEinKaddiFan Před 27 dny

    Funfact: eddy currents are used to measure the thickness of dried paints on non-magnetic metals. That is very thin!

  • @johnlewis503
    @johnlewis503 Před 7 měsíci

    What is that white flex hose that appears to be a replacement for the cooling fan on the printer he's using for the demo? Super interested in learning more about that setup

    • @CB_agotchi
      @CB_agotchi Před 7 měsíci +1

      It’s parts cooling using a cpap fan on the back of the printer

    • @dirtdart81
      @dirtdart81 Před 7 měsíci

      Pretty sure he has a video about it

  • @steveharmancambridge
    @steveharmancambridge Před 2 měsíci

    Hi! Could this / should this be used in conjunction with Voron TAP on a Stealthburner? I _presume_ TAP would still be necessary for automatically setting Z-offset...despite the other half of me thinking "can Beacon handle Z-Offset calibration as well?" Thanks

    • @kilianlindlbauer8277
      @kilianlindlbauer8277 Před měsícem

      A little late, but beacon will invalidate TAP entirely next month. Other than being a cheaper and possibly fitment, tap has honestly no reasons to be used anymore. Annex is adding a auto z offset feature that doesn't need any additional sensors. It taps the nozzle against the build plate, with its insane resolution beacon can detect the slight tap and now knows its bed distance. The tap is even lighter than most strain gauges, it tapped of a block of butter and an egg in the announcement video. This could also be used for purely nozzle based probing, although the beacon must still be able to sense the bed under it, so might not be able to probe the edge of the bed in a nozzle probing scenario.

  • @StillConfusing
    @StillConfusing Před 7 měsíci +1

    saying numpy as numpy and not num py is kinda funny to me, I think i'm gonna steal that

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Lol I tried both and numpy just sounded better to me 😂

  • @MihaiDobrin88
    @MihaiDobrin88 Před 5 měsíci

    what pt1000 is that the phaetus? cuz for sure is not the original mellow one

  • @juergenjaeger5814
    @juergenjaeger5814 Před 7 měsíci

    Does this also work with the Creality Sonic Pad?

  • @LuxGamer16
    @LuxGamer16 Před 7 měsíci

    This with adaptive bed mesh would make meshing REALLY fast

  • @royaldecreeforthechurchofm8409

    is a cnc flat machined bed better?

  • @Joshplv
    @Joshplv Před 7 měsíci +3

    The fact they didn't call this a the hammerhead probe is honestly my biggest disappointment lmao

  • @funkytizzletelevizzl
    @funkytizzletelevizzl Před 7 měsíci

    I have an X-Max 3 from Qidi. Anybody knows if it can work with this machine? It uses Klipper but certain areas are somehow modified.

  • @zve3332
    @zve3332 Před měsícem

    I cant seem to get it set up. The back of the bed is great but in the front my first layer has major gaps. All calibration is done more than 10 times. I use 50x50 with 2,2 interpolation. I seem to get better results if I stay away approximately 4cm from each edge of the bed but not the ven close to perfect.
    I had a bl touch with 12x12 point and 4,4 interpolation and this was working perfect but with this sensor I cant seem to get there
    Anyone any ideas?

  • @fouroakfarm
    @fouroakfarm Před 7 měsíci

    Is speed leveling actually useful? I create an adaptive 12x12 mesh with BLTouch before every print while the bed is heating up and the mesh is always complete before the bed is up to temperature

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před 7 měsíci +8

      It is not a good idea to create a mesh before the bed is at temp. The bed will expand during the heating process. If you are printing mostly PLA at 60c it might not be a big deal but for things like ABS it’s not a good idea.

    • @fouroakfarm
      @fouroakfarm Před 7 měsíci

      Ah I see, thanks for the reply. I print only PLA and PETG and always perfect first layer@@ModBotArmy

  • @scyonyc
    @scyonyc Před 7 měsíci

    I hope they soon as possible replacement wire sell , cuz for a voron 350 was to short. I made contact with the company, they asked me a correct measurements. 3,5 meters you need to use.🍻 Product are high quality ❤❤

  • @tombo7719
    @tombo7719 Před 7 měsíci

    I want this for my older printers

  • @NessieKnows
    @NessieKnows Před 14 dny

    Have you tried the BTT Eddy? have you used it with KAMP as well or is that overkill?

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před 14 dny +1

      I did a stream where I set it up. You could use it with KAMP but I find it less necessary due to its speed.

    • @NessieKnows
      @NessieKnows Před 14 dny

      @@ModBotArmy realized that as I’m looking over other videos today at work. Thanks!! Great job as always enjoy your channel.

  • @rustyv6274
    @rustyv6274 Před 7 měsíci

    Does it have to have I octoprint?

  • @postmaster-p
    @postmaster-p Před 7 měsíci

    We need some axillary fans like those on the VZ Bot but for the ender 5 plus

  • @MikeStammer
    @MikeStammer Před 4 měsíci +1

    why manage all that in the slicer? do a print_start and have it all there

  • @Spacesjamwascooloutofign
    @Spacesjamwascooloutofign Před 7 měsíci

    Would this work on a k1?

  • @GranVlog
    @GranVlog Před 7 měsíci

    I wonder why its needed to check the bed before every print?
    I have a older printer myself, but i spend maybe 30 min once to level it and then its set.

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci +2

      you don’t, he said this in the video, but with beacon it’s so fast why not run it to maximize consistency

  • @crckdns
    @crckdns Před 7 měsíci

    I want it for my old cr6-se.. or the elegoo neptune 4 plus!

  • @PiotrMarkiewicz
    @PiotrMarkiewicz Před 7 měsíci

    Cool, will one work over canbus?

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      Canbus cannot support the data throughput requirements, so not at the moment

  • @enmanuelhenriquez975
    @enmanuelhenriquez975 Před 7 měsíci

    It is work with marlin because beacon was designing for marlin in the first place not for klipper firmware

  • @Arek_R.
    @Arek_R. Před 7 měsíci +5

    If I'm seeing right this is same coil driver IC I've used to design

    • @AnnexEngineering
      @AnnexEngineering Před 7 měsíci +2

      I assure you, its way more than 10$ to build one of these things, the calibration, QC, the CM chosen etc, are all top notch and eat into the margin heavily. There was also 3 years worth of dev with this thing. These arent built by profit hungry businessmen, its 3 people with a heavy engineering mindset.

    • @Arek_R.
      @Arek_R. Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@AnnexEngineering I meant $10 to build the PCB, excluding testing, QC, development time etc.
      That is based on the fact that the electronic parts cost like $5, PCBs $0.50, and rest for PNP/manual soldering/asasembly in china.
      3 year development time?!
      Really?!
      The PCB design couldn't take more than a week, sensor microcontroller firmware to make it output live data from the coil IC also around a week, implementation with the klipper I have no idea what is involved but it couldn't be more than a month.
      Then another month or two to polish the product, issues, errors etc.
      That is total of 3-4 months.
      And even if he did it only occasionally during the weekends and spare hour or two during the week days (because of 9-5 job) then I can't imagine it would take more than a year.

    • @Zach_M117
      @Zach_M117 Před 2 měsíci

      If it’s so easy why don’t you bring a competitive product to market for less money? You won’t.

    • @Arek_R.
      @Arek_R. Před 2 měsíci

      @@Zach_M117The company makes only industrial electronics

  • @raffaelemobile
    @raffaelemobile Před 3 měsíci

    Is it possible to connect to a CAN bus?

  • @Kosh42EFG
    @Kosh42EFG Před 7 měsíci

    I do 300 point mesh with Beacon. It's madness.

  • @valzzu
    @valzzu Před měsícem

    holy shit, thats cool.

  • @masterbick2
    @masterbick2 Před 7 měsíci

    Now I'm wondering if Bambulab will integrate a similar kind of technology in their next generation of printers

    • @EntropicTroponin
      @EntropicTroponin Před 7 měsíci

      What's the point if a typical 3x3 grid of points on a reasonable quality bed gives excellent results. Prusa's MK4 load cell approach is more interesting because you can print even on non-standard materials and can act as a nozzle flow/jam detector.

    • @AlexanderGutsch
      @AlexanderGutsch Před 7 měsíci +5

      They won't, because strain gauges or mechanical probes are way more accurate than inductive/eddy current bed level sensors. Later only scans the spring steel plate but not the actual coating of the spring steel. So they are not quite accurate with cheaper PEI plates.

    • @Wassermelonenbaum
      @Wassermelonenbaum Před 7 měsíci

      They already have something thats actually scanning the surface. Two things actually. 3 piezos under the bed for nozzle probing like that Prusa load cell and LIDAR to scan the actual print surface youll be printing on.
      Thats what eventually got me into buying an X1C. That LIDAR is doing a fantastic job of ABL, Flowrate calibration and first layer check.

  • @hd-be7di
    @hd-be7di Před 7 měsíci

    80$ USD is a deal breaker & really a luxury option

  • @kentsangcanada
    @kentsangcanada Před 7 měsíci

    was there footage of the crash?

  • @ajustice2010
    @ajustice2010 Před 7 měsíci

    I wonder if anyone makes a mount for the E3V2 with a micro Swiss ng?

    • @marckart66
      @marckart66 Před 7 měsíci

      What's the point in using it for a e3v2? your motion system will be a huge limiting factor. I've had one on back order a year now. It's frustrating to see people using it on slow printers!

  • @doinker50
    @doinker50 Před 7 měsíci

    How does this compare to Lidar leveling solutions?

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci +1

      it can be much more accurate, but it measures the steel sheet you print on, lidar measures the pei ontop of the steel

  • @Dweenz69
    @Dweenz69 Před měsícem

    @ModBot 6 Months later is beacon still giving good results?

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před měsícem

      I love it, I am installing it on my Trident very soon.

  • @Skipp3rBuds
    @Skipp3rBuds Před 7 měsíci

    Bummer, I'm using a repo from desuu that enables klipper to use my cr10s pro stock touch screen.

  • @koenvanduffel2084
    @koenvanduffel2084 Před 7 měsíci

    Bummer, i thought this would be the dream upgrade die my Qidi Xmax3... No it uses discrete magnets instead of a magnetic sticker.

  • @333donutboy
    @333donutboy Před 7 měsíci

    I'm old school and still print on glass. I'll have to wait on a laser or sonic version.

  • @digital0785
    @digital0785 Před 7 měsíci

    i want one so bad but the price is the only thing .. i'm running a cr10v2 that i got with an innovator 3d enclosure that i got for 100$ total.. the fact that it's 80% of the price of my setup hurts my feelings granted i know i got a killer deal but still LOL if it as like 50 i would've bought it already

  • @whyldthing86
    @whyldthing86 Před 7 měsíci

    Would this be better than lidar (used in Bambulabs)?

    • @mizz1414
      @mizz1414 Před 7 měsíci

      Yes, yes it is.

    • @nemisizz
      @nemisizz Před 7 měsíci +1

      no

    • @mizz1414
      @mizz1414 Před 7 měsíci

      @@nemisizz sure it is, the LIDAR is slower, less accurate and propietary to Bambu machines

    • @nemisizz
      @nemisizz Před 7 měsíci

      @@mizz1414 just a matter of firmware, thats all!
      The accuracy is pointless at these sizes, it doesnt matter if it can measure half the width of a hair or just a hairs thickness.
      Especially not when you print in layer heights thats 20 times the thickness of a hair.
      As for proprietary, sure it is, and its 100% also a gimmick, im not denying any of that...
      At the end of the day, you can get 5 dollar inductive sensors off amazon that can do the same job, i guess thats why they are dancing around the wording of what it actually is and choose to use Eddy Currents as buzzword instead of just being honest.

  • @assafweiss8078
    @assafweiss8078 Před 7 měsíci

    Trying to understand why +-30 seconds matter in a 3d printer. Even in large print farms, the difference between a 30 seconds and a 10 seconds mesh leveling is negligible at best. What am I getting wrong here?

  • @WillianMai
    @WillianMai Před 7 měsíci

    truth have to be spoken. not nice that you did not compare the accuracy and precision with a least two types of probes in the market..

  • @Tedlasman
    @Tedlasman Před 7 měsíci

    I love my beacon

  • @3DThird
    @3DThird Před 7 měsíci +1

    It's definitely nice to have but the price is way too steep. Also, it doesn't matter for large 3D printers farms since a couple of minutes for mesh bed leveling doesn't matter at that scale.
    Looking forward for such solutions to be implemented in future printers 👍🏻

  • @Condamine123456
    @Condamine123456 Před 7 měsíci

    The a1 mini has a eddy sensor on it super reliable

    • @PeterBrockie
      @PeterBrockie Před 7 měsíci +2

      I think the eddy sensor was only on the clear prototypes sent to reviewers. I swear I remember one of the reviewers saying it's not on their production model. I think it uses a nozzle load cell.
      My A1 is printing right now, so I can't check. :P

    • @Aethid
      @Aethid Před 7 měsíci +1

      That is used for flow monitoring (and maybe nozzle probe?). It doesn’t sense the bed like the beacon. What the A1 does is I think much more interesting, but these are very different things that solve very different problems.

    • @PeterBrockie
      @PeterBrockie Před 7 měsíci

      Found confirmation it's not in the production units. The round disc near the part fan is where it was located on the pre-production units and in this teardown there are clearly just 4 wires going to the PWM fan and nothing else installed on that part.
      czcams.com/video/c9h4XsP8zUA/video.html
      I guess they figured they didn't need it for whatever reason.

  • @cabs726
    @cabs726 Před 7 hodinami

    pls make a video of the contact feature from beacon! :)

  • @conorstewart2214
    @conorstewart2214 Před 7 měsíci +2

    The only problem I can see with it is that it only measures conductive material, so if the coating on the bed isn't completely flat then it won't see that, it is effectively measuring the steel sheet, not the actual surface, now the surfaces may be good enough that it doesnt matter though, however if you use glue or tape on the bed that will definitely mess it up. The other disadvantage is that it only works for conductive surfaces, so garolite or other surfaces are completely out, and again like I said, tape or glue is too.

    • @tttuberc
      @tttuberc Před 7 měsíci

      From the look of it, the only requirement is that the bed has to be some kind of metal. It doesn't matter if the bed surface is coated with paint, pei, tape, etc. The reason I belive this is because of what said in the video and that the PCB coil on the sensor which looks like what I see in some of the Texas Instruments reference design of inductive sensing. I could be wrong though

    • @makerspace533
      @makerspace533 Před 7 měsíci

      If the thickness of the bed coating changed, the calibration would be off. Switching from a textured bed to a smooth bed may require recalibration. This would be good for small printers where you run small fast jobs. On a 2 hour job it wouldn't make any difference.

  • @FatalLordAce
    @FatalLordAce Před 7 měsíci

    Why does your printer have CPAP tubing?

    • @alexismakingthings1800
      @alexismakingthings1800 Před 7 měsíci

      For CPAP air. A common mod for VZbots and high speed builds. Lighter toolhead, less turbulent air, and higher air flow and pressure. Also, you get cooler air, rather than air that’s been warmed by the chamber.

  • @tycjans3854
    @tycjans3854 Před 7 měsíci

    Works good for meshing bed. I purchased 2 for my voron but after 2 weeks is trash stop working and crash ma tool head to the bead

  • @jerryboics9550
    @jerryboics9550 Před 7 měsíci

    Had printers before auto leveling was a thing and it's really not an issue. Set once and forget.
    Why you would need 100 points checked on a flat plate is ridiculous.

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      setting it once will drift over time, he said in the video you can set it once in a while but beacon is so fast why not run it every time for maximizing consistency

  • @thatonedude8900
    @thatonedude8900 Před 7 měsíci +1

    metal detector on steroids

  • @earthspawn3d
    @earthspawn3d Před 4 měsíci

    Oh man. This would’ve been amazing in a Qidi XMax 3. But seems like it wouldn’t work on it.

  • @brianvalentas1121
    @brianvalentas1121 Před 5 měsíci

    Cpap is extreme over kill 😂

    • @beany1luv
      @beany1luv Před 5 měsíci +1

      You CLEARLY don't have a fast printer. Not only is it necessary, depending on how fast you're printing certain filament, you actually need remote cooling.

  • @olafmarzocchi6194
    @olafmarzocchi6194 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Ok it's faster, but besides those who just want a faster calibration which is likely a niche (saving 5 minutes over 3 hours makes little difference), is there an actual use case? BLtouch and equivalents work pretty well and are cheap. Microswitch based solutions are also cheap and accurate.

    • @Joshplv
      @Joshplv Před 7 měsíci +1

      Wouldn't say fast BL is a niche though, I usually prototype and print small parts under an hour and 30 min so shaving off the 7-minute probe time my inductive sensor currently uses would be nice.
      Cost and setup is probably the biggest factors, I would probably switch to a BIQU Microprobe before I get something like this.

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci +1

      high temperature printing, it is a limited use case but the price reflects that, when printing PEKK or PPSU for instance bed temperatures can range from 140-160C, other probes melt at that temperature, beacon has good thermal compensation and has been used by a bunch of people for very high temps

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      thermal deflection at those temps also causes meshes to drift out of accuracy quickly, so fast meshes are a nice QOL thing, also not necessary

  • @Schuffed
    @Schuffed Před 7 měsíci

    I wonder how easy it would be to combine this with KAMP

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před 7 měsíci

      Should not be an issue. If it wasn’t for the speed or the bed was much larger I would probably go that route.

  • @jyajboots
    @jyajboots Před 7 měsíci

    This is for experts only!!!

  • @alpha_pixel_
    @alpha_pixel_ Před 7 měsíci

    Why should it scan the whole plate all the time. Why not scan the location where it prints only.

  • @oaba201
    @oaba201 Před 4 měsíci

    Modbot Why is no VZBot videos?

  • @UloPe
    @UloPe Před 7 měsíci

    It’s really cool technology, but for me it’s just not worth it from both a price perspective as well as the required faffing around.
    The USB requirement is another pretty big downside when running a canbus toolhead.
    And then it still requires manual z nozzle offset calibration…
    Nah

  • @riccardosacchetti
    @riccardosacchetti Před 7 měsíci

    Realy nice, but the don't sell in EU unfortunately!

    • @Tedlasman
      @Tedlasman Před 7 měsíci +1

      They ship to the eu

    • @riccardosacchetti
      @riccardosacchetti Před 7 měsíci

      @@Tedlasman yes but you have to pay taxes and customs.

    • @Tedlasman
      @Tedlasman Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@riccardosacchetti you gotta pay those anyways lol

    • @riccardosacchetti
      @riccardosacchetti Před 7 měsíci

      @@Tedlasman well, no. Not always. AliExpress deliver in Poland or German and you don't have to pay anything.

  • @ArnaudMEURET
    @ArnaudMEURET Před 7 měsíci

    I see only reasons to stick with my SuperPINDA here…

  • @Dirt33breaks
    @Dirt33breaks Před 9 dny

    Take my money!! Where do i send jt?

  • @user-vt6fg7sb6q
    @user-vt6fg7sb6q Před 7 měsíci

    OH MY.... 79$

  • @squidmissile750
    @squidmissile750 Před 7 měsíci

    Never understood the purpose of these probes, they measure the metal underneath your actual printing surface not what you're actually printing on. What's the point?

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I print on metal. Powder coated pei is easily the most common print surface out there now. Many new printers are shipping with it.

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      it measures the steel pei sheet which you print on

    • @squidmissile750
      @squidmissile750 Před 6 měsíci

      @@NotCreative21 but you're not printing on the steel, you're printing on the pei coating that can very well be not uniform to the steel underneath

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      my apologies you are correct, although I would say >80% + of the deviation of surface is from the steel sheet, the pei sticker is very thin and very consistent in depth relative to the steel@@squidmissile750

    • @squidmissile750
      @squidmissile750 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@NotCreative21 that's true and I'm sure it works well enough for 99.9% of people/prints there's just always a chance it could be wrong when a physical probe wouldn't be.

  • @reinux
    @reinux Před 7 měsíci +4

    I'm really not sold on this. It's a solution in search of a problem. I can't see it producing better first layers than the standard touch probe leveling every now and then, and if anything it could be worse if there are non-metallic surface imperfections. If you already have ABL, bed leveling is rarely the bottleneck in either convenience or quality.

    • @TMS5100
      @TMS5100 Před 7 měsíci +3

      i was thinking exactly the same thing. bed leveling is like 0.01% of the print time. a good leveling system with nozzle probing is way better since it works on any surface.

    • @420247paul
      @420247paul Před 7 měsíci +2

      sky bed distance sensor is 29 dollars and does more

    • @nemisizz
      @nemisizz Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@420247paul And that one is also shielded, so you can get it closer to the nozzle, and it does realtime scans too so if the bed has moved its gonna automatically compensate for that for under half the price. And i would almost dare to say that with some tinkering, you could get the firmware working with any inductive sensor

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      you obviously have not printed high temp materials, when printing PEKK or PPSU 140-160C bed temps are normal, beacon is perfect for high temperature printing as other probes melt or become unreliable, thermal deflection can ruin consistency so speedy meshes before every print help a lot, limited market yes, but the price reflects that

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      @@420247paulit does not have accurate thermal drift compensation

  • @andre267
    @andre267 Před 7 měsíci

    Only Support for Klipper is a bummer but i hope he get the Code ported to Marlin and Duet.

  • @ABentPaperclip
    @ABentPaperclip Před 6 měsíci

    it's this type of pricing that is going to flood the market with chinese knockoffs. I know a lot of R&D probably went into this so the price is almost certainly justified, but now that it's out it isn't going to take long for someone to reverse engineer it and release a $10 version. if the legit version was only 20 or 30 bucks I don't know of anybody who would hesitate to buy the real deal, but at $80 plus shipping that's gonna be a hard sell for a lot of people. This is exactly what happened with BL Touch when it first came out- very aggressive pricing and the market got completely flooded with knockoffs because it's not really that complicated of a device. I work on a lot of 3D printers and basically every mechanical ABL I see installed is a BLTouch knockoff, almost never see a genuine one anymore.

  • @allffrommars6019
    @allffrommars6019 Před 7 měsíci

    It is ... expensive 🤣 80 bucks 👍

  • @Sixpack0000473
    @Sixpack0000473 Před 7 měsíci +2

    funny story, i put a beacon probe on my highly modded ender 3 s1 😅. reason? it solved 100% of my first layer issues (thanks to so many probe points) and makes printing a breeze now. fire and forget. super fast and very reliable! creality is not known for their quality flat bed plates but now you cant even tell.

  • @TheShorterboy
    @TheShorterboy Před 7 měsíci

    so not so good for a glass bed then

  • @AlbertoMartinez765
    @AlbertoMartinez765 Před 7 měsíci

    wtf!

  • @thevoidedwarranty
    @thevoidedwarranty Před 7 měsíci

    It might be a good & fast probe , but .5 microns ?! No way .

    • @bartz0rt928
      @bartz0rt928 Před 7 měsíci

      I struggle with that as well. Like, the _sensor_ might be that accurate, but the rest of the printer and your installation of the sensor aren't. Still, those other errors should be pretty constant so you can probably rest assured that once you've got it dialled in it'll keep performing well.

    • @danielabrams555
      @danielabrams555 Před 7 měsíci

      Yes way. If you would have paid attention to the video, he probes the bed in the same spot 10 times and the standard deviation of the measurements was significantly better than 0.5 microns.

    • @Tedlasman
      @Tedlasman Před 7 měsíci

      It's true. It also helps find issues with your printer cause the resolution is so high

    • @thevoidedwarranty
      @thevoidedwarranty Před 7 měsíci

      @@danielabrams555 there is a very big diffrence between measuring standard deviation & stating that the accuracy is better than 500 nanometers .

    • @thevoidedwarranty
      @thevoidedwarranty Před 7 měsíci

      @@bartz0rt928 i used to design industrial measuring sensors for very small stuff , 500 nanometers is a very small distance to measure that accuratly even with the best lvdt or similar systems . But , rounding off the measurment or choosing a close neighboring number is very easy . All i'm saying is ,until i have seen a measurment done by a dial indicator , i cant confirm that statement .

  • @adriansue8955
    @adriansue8955 Před 7 měsíci

    Bad For Precision Parts?
    ok, so 'mesh leveling' lets the printer adjust your mesh so it adheres properly to a warped bed.
    ?but isn't this terrible for a precision part? Now the bottom of your part is Not Truly Flat.
    if you were relying on that surface to fit with another part; now it won't be right.
    I'm thinking that for those applications Physical Bed Leveling is still important

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      this is leveling it relative to the physical bed, same as manual leveling, warped beds are an issue with all printers, you just try and get them as flat as possible, beacon is used to keep the relative distance from the nozzle to print surface as consistent as possible but it is not magical enough to fix a warped bed

  • @dsp4392
    @dsp4392 Před 7 měsíci

    If you didn't know what eddy currents were, you're not watching enough science content on yt 🤣

  • @lasaucissemasquee4421
    @lasaucissemasquee4421 Před 7 měsíci

    I will never understand those solutions that appear crazily over-engineered to tackle the bed leveling problem.
    I have an Ultimaker 2+ with 4000 hours on it. It uses a bed with a glass plate which is, due to the way it is manufactured, is pretty flat.
    I only messed with the bed leveling twice since I have this machine and never had any problem of a print not sticking or bed adhesion issues on large prints.

    • @josiahong5177
      @josiahong5177 Před 7 měsíci +2

      it really depends on what materials you print. Thermal expansion requires bed leveling to compensate for it. I do wish beacon was rated at higher temps because it would be really useful if u were switching between ABS, PC and high temp stuff liek PEI

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      @@josiahong5177people have used it for PEKK and PPSU at 140-160C bed temps, the cable is the failure point at those temps, but it can survive usually…

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      you obviously have not printed with very high temp materials which this is more focused on, limited use case but the price reflects that

  • @colincampbell3679
    @colincampbell3679 Před 7 měsíci

    Well, save to say I won't be buying that sensor! way too pricey. Unless your rich and as he said have a Voron it not worth it. And not all tech drops in price. So nope not buying it.I stick to the old slower less expensive senors.

  • @natashaadsit7323
    @natashaadsit7323 Před 7 měsíci

    lol i have manually levelled my ender 3 four corner in 10 seconds and no extra mmoney or parts to fail

    • @mizz1414
      @mizz1414 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Now imagine that, accross 100 corners, automatic, in 10 seconds
      That is beacon

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      now heat your bed to 110C, is it still level?

    • @mizz1414
      @mizz1414 Před 6 měsíci

      @@NotCreative21 you always make a bed mesh after heating the bed...

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci

      Not always, but I was referring to the CR10, at 110C that dude's bed is gonna be a massive taco, I personally run beacon meshes before every print and it is wonderful@@mizz1414

  • @ellsworthm.toohey7657
    @ellsworthm.toohey7657 Před 7 měsíci

    Ridiculous ! Build your printer properly, rigid with a flat bed and no need for that !!! And by doing so, plenty of other benefits !

    • @NotCreative21
      @NotCreative21 Před 6 měsíci +2

      leave a comment when you find a bed flat within a tenth of a thou for under $1k, we’ll be waiting

  • @AllTheNamesWereInUse
    @AllTheNamesWereInUse Před 7 měsíci

    Do you always have trouble installing things?
    You seem to need help every video.

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy  Před 7 měsíci

      Most things are not just straight forward. A big part of why this channel exists is to go through and help fill in those gaps for others. Based on feedback it has helped countless others.

  • @Heretic_Dezign
    @Heretic_Dezign Před 7 měsíci

    As soon as you said the equipment only runs on the skata that is klipper is stopped watching, bye

    • @riba2233
      @riba2233 Před 2 měsíci

      why don't you like it?