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Joseph von Benedikt joins me on the show today and we discuss a subject I know you’ll enjoy: our favorite cartridges for hunting virtually any species of big game. We’re play little game in this episode where Joseph and I each list our favorite cartridge and bullet for hunting specific species of game ranging from Coues whitetail all the way up to thick skinned species of African game like cape buffalo and elephant and almost everything in between like mule deer, elk, black bear, etc. The catch is that we cannot reuse a cartridge for multiple species. Even so, our discussion provides an interesting glimpse into the thought process he and I each use for selecting cartridges and bullets for hunting different species of game. This is a great episode I really enjoyed recording it and I’m sure you’ll enjoy listening to it as well.
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Sitting around a campfire, sipping bourbon, there is nothing more fun than debating cartridges and bullets.
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This was very entertaining, as both of you are very knowledgeable and experienced. I could listen to stuff like this for hours. Thanks for putting it together.
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great video. 475 Turnbull was necked down from the 50-110, if I'm not mistaken. 45-70+p and 450 Marlin do a great job on bison also ...and a bit more practical. :-)
my comparatively uninformed selections:
eastern whitetail: 308 w/ 150g tsx
mule deer/western whitetail: 6.8 western w/ 162g copper impact
pronghorn: 25-06 w/ 100g ttsx
coues deer: 270win w/ 130 ttsx
feral hogs: 30-30 w/ 150g tsx
black bear over bait: 45-70 w/ 350g tsx-fn
black bear stalk: 30-06 w/ 165g ecx
elk: 338rcm w/ 210g ttsx
moose: 35 whelen w/ 225g tsx
brown/grizzly: 9.3x62 w/ 250g tsx
bison: 450 marlin w/ 430g lbt-lfn
sheep/mt goat: 280ai w/ 140g e-tip
plains game: 300wsm w/ 180g trophy copper
thick skin dangerous game: 416 rigby w/ 400g dgs
best all around not including dangerous game: 30-06
best all around including dangerous game: 9.3x62
Good choices all around!
I have hunted with so many of these cartridges.
My favorite for a “do-it-all” cartridge is now the 6.8 Western.
That’s not a dis on any other cartridge. It’s just the Western has been amazing. I’m blown away
Love the conversations. Most of us can only dream of owning all those rifles, but oh well. Always fun to listen. I'm very partial 70 the .277 and .284 calibers.
Glad you enjoyed it! A Winchester Model 70 in either bore diameter is an excellent all around hunting choice!
30-30 for eastern whitetails!
Excellent choice!
Certainly a lever gun. I like the pistol calibers for this purpose. I often hunt timber here in the west for elk and deer with same, or a 30-30 I inherited from my dad. Use my own cast bullets.
Over the 35rem?
I'm a fan of the new ish 350 legend
With the 120 grain Barnes tac tx handloads. My savage 99 or even model 94 win I load 2 1 In the chamber 1 in the tube
Interesting episode John, good to hear you guys talking about your North American game animals, gives us hunters ,in other parts an idea of your thoughts & calibre choices.
I enjoyed listening.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the video, one of the best of its kind.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Such a fun and interesting game between two of my favorite cartridge nerds out there. Always a joy to get you and JVB together. I listen to his podcast a lot so many of his choices I predicted as well.
I too am saddened by Winchester/Browning not marketing and supporting the 6.8 Western like they did with their 350 Legend. That’s why Hornady usually wins since they are not a rifle company and can and will have multiple manufacturers chamber their cartridges. My youngest brother has a 6.8 Western to team up with his 270 Win and loves it now that he found a couple loads it likes.
My two favorite podcasters together. I’d have most of the same picks that one of chose for each type of game. Eastern white tail which I’ve never hunted but probably pick a straight wall cartridge like 350 legend. All around have to go 300wm.
Glad you enjoyed this episode! JvB and I had a great time recording it.
It was a great episode! Was hoping to hear .350 Legend or 7.62x39 for pigs. I sort of expected Joseph to pick .308 for pigs but it is also great for eastern deer; more scoot than .30-30 and less recoil than .30-06.
Teriffic overall cartridge for eastern US.
Enjoyed video. I’m all on board with Joseph’s pick for all around cartridge in the .280AI. I have 2 rifles in that chambering and I also hand load, so I’m able to take advantage of the efficiency, bullet choice including different weights, inherit accuracy, and low recoil. 7mm PRC very impressive with unlimited amount of marketing. Just don’t see a whole lot of difference between that cartridge and 7mag until distance beyond 600 yards where twist comes into play with factory cartridge offerings that were designed by Hornady for the 7PRC. It’s ballistics are impressive. Thanks again for the video!
Favorite cartridge 308 cuz it’s what I own and stocked up on and it’s relatively affordable, versatile, and ubiquitous 😊
I am of the opinion that 7 PRC will gradually replace 300 Win Mag as the do-all cartridge. Significantly higher BCs with comparable bullet weights, while only giving up a small amount of velocity and imparting noticeably less recoil. Yes, the Win Mag can go heavier if you need it, but I think 190+ grains is straying out of practical territory, and in that area the 300 PRC has it pretty significantly outclassed.
As much as I love the 300 Win Mag, you might be right about the 7mm PRC...
Interesting info Joseph shared on the federal offering of 6.8 Western. I had heard rumblings that they had been developing a load but for some reason never brought it to market. Brass would be a good reason.
Evidently Barnes is in the same boat on the 6.8 Western.
What interests me in concept is a cartridge equal to the 280AI in ballistic performance… but… in a short action. The 280AI is popular for light weight mountain rifles so a short action 280AI equivalent is even better for that application. It occurs to me that a 6.8 Western necked up to 0.284” would accomplish this and could be made from 300WSM Lapua brass.
Cheers!
Great idea!
That would be very close to a 7WSM or a 7SAUM, both awesome cartridges. Or a 284 win to stay with the smaller (and usually lighter) standard bolt face.
There is nothing currently in a factory rifle. If you want to build a custom in a wildcat 7-6.5 PRC is the answer.
I’ve watched this several times. I learn something new each time. If an accurate rifle ethically kill game at 997 yards with .300 Win Mag, there is no reason to go with a newer .300 magnum cartridge.
Except that you just want one, maybe.
same question about the western, demans better support from rifles to reloading brass of course and a few factory ammunition choices. no small stuff except koos deer.
6,5x55 THE reindeer cartrigde. Plenty of energy and best of all: there is always some wind in the mountains and the 6,5mm is just so good in the wind.
Your choices were similar in performance. My favorite deer sized cartridge is the .257 Weatherby although I have used many based off the .308 based cases like the .243, 6.5CM, .260, 7mm-08. For elk and bigger, I like a big .30 or .338. For deer sized woods game. I really do like carrying a Model 1894 Marlin in .44 Magnum. It carries so well.
Right on!
I can't fault your choices! The 257 Wby is a darn fine deer and antelope round. And the 1894 in 44 Mag is a unique, though effective choice!
Well that was fun for fantasizing! My hunting is extremely limited these days because of age and health, but My choice for real EASTERN Whitetail WOODS hunting where the the longest shot in a clearing might be 200 yards would be 35 Remington using the Hornady 200 grain LeverEvolution in my Marlin 336RC. For midwestern and western US Whitetails, Mule deer and Pronghorn I’m going with Jack’s standard 270 Winchester. 150 grain Nosler Partition on the deer, probably 130 on the Pronghorn. I wouldn’t be shooting at anything over 400 yards. If I can’t get to within ethical distance I’ll hang it up.
Over the years I’ve accumulated a lot of different rifles, some listed here, some not. Most recent acquisition a few years ago Husqvarna M-640 in 9.3x62. Yet to shoot anything with it. For elk I’m just going to toss a coin among 338-06, 35 Whelen and 300 H&H. I could throw in the 9.3x62 because it does handle a wide variety of bullet weights. Terrain would be a major factor in my choice. I’m not a bear hunter but If was I think for Black in the eastern woods the 35 Remington will do just fine just like it and the 30-30 has been doing for years. Never hunted Bison, probably never will. Same for most of the other species discussed herein. For viewers who don’t know who Jack was, I figure they’re too young and no hope for them😂. Jack’s choice for one rifle to hunt the world over was the 375 H&H. His choice for a second rifle in a two rifle battery was the 270 Winchester. Since I don’t own a 375 I’m going to choose the 9.3x62 based solely on it’s apparent reputation around the world as my fantasy one for everything anywhere. 270 W for #2. In reality if I was forced to sell all except one that I have I’m going to fall back to good ole 308 Winchester for all in North America. Regardless of what some talking heads and Gen X or Z say, IT’S Available EVERYWHERE AND IT’S NEVER GOING AWAY. I wish I could say the same for 358 Winchester. I’ll just stay out of big bear territory. The class assignment for Gen X and Z viewers is to figure out who Jack was. Happy hunting boys and me girls!😊
Whats your thoughts for antelope, mule deer, Rky Mtn Big Horn and Elk, ( not necessarily Moose ) using the 6.5 PRC and All copper TSX or TTSX on all of them ?
I have shot 2 cow Moose and one "once in a lifetime" Bull Moose all with 30-06.
Also shot a Mtn Goat in 2010, "once in a lifetime" as well, using a friend's 300 Win Mag about 375 yards.
Hope you'll answer this question !!!
I think the 127gr LRX in particular is a fantastic all-around bullet for the 6.5 PRC. I'd use that cartridge/bullet combo for antelope, deer, bighorn, and even elk without hesitation. I have not used the 130gr TSX on game yet in that cartridge, but it's also a good bullet.
99% of my hunting is under 300 yards and mostly (90%) 100-200 yards. I think the LRX isn't ideal compared to TTSX or TSX. Additional comments?
GREAT show y’all!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video gents!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The old guy from Alaska who was on Ron spomer who uses a 458 win mag for moose and grizz
You're talking about Phil Shoemaker, who does indeed carry a 458 Win Mag when he guides moose and bear hunters in Alaska.
Two of my favourite podcasters together. Very interesting discussion.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
I really enjoyed this video. 30-06 for everything
That will certainly work!
My second comment. Your recently new viewers should watch your interviews with Dr. Kevin “Doctari” Robertson, DVM on hunting African dangerous game and his take on cartridges for all the African game species from small to large. He and the gentleman I got my 9.3x62 from opened my eyes to the capabilities of the 7x57 Mauser especially with 175 grain bullets at moderate velocities. Look at the data from the newest Nosler manual for the 175 grain Long Range Accubond and Partition. Run the numbers with those bullets signed dead on at 250 yards through a good ballistic calculator like the Shooters Calculator that another famous UTube guru uses. You will be amazed at what a 120 year old cartridge can do.
I would like to know where he is finding factory 280 AI ammo. I had a 280 AI rifle, later wanted to get another one, but I don't remember when I have last seen any 280 AI factory ammo available. Definitely not on any store shelves.
I just looked and found 8 different 280 AI factory loads from 3 manufacturers in stock this morning with 2 different retailers. Shoot me an email john@thebiggamehuntingblog.com and I'll send you details if you want
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog thank you very much for your assistance. Not too long ago, at a gun show, I was very seriously looking at a custom built 280 Ai rifle. I had not seen any ammo on any relatively local shelves in years at that time. I searched the show to see if I could find any with no luck. I decided to hold off on the rifle at that time but got the guys information so I could contact him if I changed my mind. I did some searching on line at the time, with no luck. As the days went by, I kind of gave up on the rifle. Besides I did already have rifles in other calibers that I can get by with, but occasionally I wish I had picked that rifle up. After watching this video, and commenting, I got curious and went to midways site and found ammo again available. Unfortunately with my advancing age and deteriorating health, despite wanting to get another 280 AI, I would probably be better off to just make do with what I have. The way things are going, particularly with my health, I probably have more than I will be able to put to use, as it is. But I still fantasize, it doesn't hurt to wish.
Nothing wrong with dreaming!
What are your thoughts on the 7X64 in relation to the 280 Ackley?
The 280 AI has a little more juice and the 7x64 is more comparable to the old 280 Remington than the 280 AI, but the 7x64 is still a darn good cartridge
Great content
Thanks!
I using the 170g terminal ascent ammo this year too.
Awesome. Let me know how things go!
Yep me too my 7mmprc loves em .4 inch groups so glad because I love that bullet
What would you recommend for a WT or Mule deer in west Texas, some canyon and some open field and some cotton fields? Would it still be a 270 or 280AI?
WHAT ABOUT 7MM-08 WTH 150 GRAIN ABLR OR 145 GRAIN LRX
I think that's a great choice with both bullets
interesting answers for western pronghorn, my answer would be the 6.5 too But PRC. why would anyone hunt rhino seriously dangered deserve protection not trophy hunting by rich people. anywhere with an excess can get it transported to somewhere needing one.
I understand your concerns about rhino. I'll probably never hunt rhino myself (and I doubt Joseph will either), but the situation is different from what you may be thinking. Namibia is a good example of a country that does rhino management well. Long story short, only very old, post breeding age rhinos are hunted there and you can probably count on one hand the number of rhinos taken in the whole country each year. Not only are those bulls too old to breed, but they occasionally kill younger bulls in fights. So, transporting them somewhere else is literally pointless (and there's a good chance a very old rhino like that would die in the process anyway). Instead, the Namibian government offers a very small number of hunters the opportunity to hunt those surplus, post breeding age bulls each year. The Namibian government then turns around and uses the funds generated from those hunts to fund other rhino management projects that benefit the rhino population as a whole (to include, but not limited to anti-poaching efforts). I don't blame you for not wanting to hunt rhino. I likely wouldn't do so myself either, even if I had the money, but I hope this comment helps explain the situation more clearly for you on how and why those hunts are beneficial for rhino management.
Whitetails I’m madly in love with 7mm-08.
Nothing wrong with that!
Interesting discussion. Thanks for that. However, neither one of you mentioned the 358 Winchester. Why not?
Yes, maximum range is going to be limited. It's not a long-range cartridge, but it speaks with major authority within its design parameters.
Are you near the Tyler area??? No idea you were in ETX
Yes. I live near Lufkin.
I agree with the cartridges for all species, but I don't like any of the eldx or eldm bullets. Just too frangible at close/mid range.
Fun stuff!
9,3x62 for moose
Excellent idea!
If i was living in Alaska i would have a pump in 9.3x62 @@Thebiggamehuntingblog
Use 243 on deer and my 7x57 and 8x57 on bear elk
Excellent!
I’m from Tyler. Where is Joseph from?
He lives in Idaho
Oh wait. You are in east Texas. Are you close to Tyler?
1st!!
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Forgot Caribou
Good point. I'll definitely include it in a future iteration of an interview like this one.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I would choose 300 wby for caribou. I think you both picked most the other 30 magnums.
You kind of gave yourself an unfair advantage.
Yeah, but it was all in good fun. Not a competition at all. Also funny how similar many of our answers were too
I already have a 6.8 western its called a 270wsm no reason to even come out with that cartridge waste of time
You do you sir!
It’s still different. First of all, I love ALL .277 cartridges as well as .284 projectiles.
With that said, without reloading, I can fire 165-175 grain bullets out of the Western that I can’t fire out of the WSM. That’s not my opinion, that’s a fact. That’s not a slam towards the WSM either. It just wasn’t meant out designed for those longer projectiles. There’s a reason why Winchester and Browning came out with the Western 🤷
If the WSM works for you, I agree, no need to change. For me, I hunt the Hells Canyon region and I need a long range with a heavy bullet capability. The Western checks the box perfectly for me.
Happy hunting
Y’all shoot way more animals than a single man could eat. Who eats them?
Neither one of us is eating all the meat from all the animals we're hunting alone. Both of us have families we feed with the proceeds of our hunts. And I give away some of my excess meat to friends and family members too (so does Joseph). It's also important to note that we're also not both shooting every single one of those animals every single year.