City Minutes: The Athenian Empire
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- Deja Vu? Only slightly! I'm re-imaging City Minutes, and this time the plan is to *Actually Make It Good*! With MULTIPLE CITIES per episode, and HORIZONTAL VIDEO!
I heard your feedback on the first run of the shorts loud and clear - City Minutes Good, Shorts Bad - so this will be the format going forward: networks of cities, with each getting a minute of spotlight.
We're starting where I always start, in ancient Athens (I wanted to give you the proper version of the pilot), but we've got tons of other City Minutes planned!
SOURCES & Further Reading: Thucydides "History of the Peloponnesian War", World History Encyclopedia (www.worldhistory.org/Athens): "Athens", "Piraeus", "Sounion", "Delos", "Corcyra", "The Delian League" parts 3 & 4, and my degree in Classical Studies
Cities by timestamp:
00:00 - Athens
1:00 - Piraeus
2:01 - Sounion
3:03 - Delos
4:05 - Mytilene
5:03 - Korkyra
6:03 - Conclusion
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Fun linguistic shenanigans: The island of Korkyra (commonly spelled Corcyra when referring to the ancient city) is known today as both Kerkyra and Corfu. The name Corfu comes from an Italianized version of the Byzantine name Korufo.
I use the pronunciation of "Korkyra" with an O because it reflects the more common version of the name as listed in ancient accounts - adherence to the original ancient version is also why I'm using Ks in place of any Latinized Cs.
Essentially: I'm spelling everything the ancient way, but using modern Greek phonetics to sound out those words. It's an uncommon way to go about, but it feels like the right balance of ancient authenticity and modern linguistic continuity.
-B
That's fair.
Uh hey Red and Blue i already posted the comment in your latest post not the video about a idea about the time heist
Hope you read the comment
So... Piraeus. Is there any linguistic connection to pirate? Or is this another Zagreaus situation?
I have no idea what he said, but cool! 👍
When will you continue with journey to the west?
"the annoying thing about athenians is that there almost as great as they say they are" is an amazing line
Not only a great line. A very true line
they're*
And a lie.
Can confirm. I’m descended from Spartans
If I was a fool and didn’t love Blue’s delivery style, that line would have kept me watching. I am only a partial fool, and do love Blue’s delivery style, so I reveled in the line and kept watching.
All other Greeks: Can't you do something about your superiority complex?
Athenians: *But I'm superior.*
Over two millenia later and that superiority complex is still (stereotypically) there among Athenians. Especially the ones who trace their family's lineage back to the 19th/early 20th century Athens, who consider themselves the "true" Athenians.
Athens: Yes, I am both superior and complex. What will I do about it? Spread like peanut butter, baybee!
Athens: *flies too close to the sun*
Bakugou in a nutshell
@@Mazou-tj4ne Ka-chan is Athens confirmed.
thats because where better (see the joke here is im greek and i was born and raised in athens so i will just leave this here in hopes someone will find this funny)
"Diss the fleet, get the yeet!"
*British Empire* : Write that down, write that down!
British Empire: Now would everyone stop shipping slaves?!
I always wonder, who exactly are people talking to write that down?
@@carlosroo5460 Their scribes, of course. Don't you have one?
@@carlosroo5460 it’s a spongebob reference haha
@@shadowling77777 You realize its a joke correct?
Athens was that guy who wouldn't let people forget about how great they are
And Sparta is the guy going on about how tough he is, and always trying to fight everybody
@@derekskelton4187 nah Sparta is the dude in the corner who doesn't want to be there but will absolutely beat the shit out of any drunk dude who tries to fight him or even minorly annoys him.
@@colespradlin6994 That was younger sparta
So... They're a business major.
Hey! You should not compare Athens to me, they deserve more respect!
*Athens:* "What do you mean, 'my hubris isn't good enough'?! Look at my hubris! My hubris is the best in the world!!"
OH NOOOOOOOO!!! I have two girlfriends, but very few people on YT are happy for my relationship success. They disl*ke all of the videos I make with my 2 girlfriends. Please be kind, dear mi
Good lord
@@AxxLAfriku sftu, you're making the rest of us polys look bad
_Look at my fleet_
_My fleet is amazing_
Why do I hear Red saying that in my head?
"In a surprising twist of fate, other cities also had Navy's"
I laughed so hard at this
navies*
The glowing eye triggered meme is my kryptonite
Last time I was this early Ouranos still had a pair.
Lol! Nice one. Last time I laughed this hard at a comment Zeus wasn’t a philandering ass…. That is to say never.
TOO SOON. XDDD
Please help me spread the message of calling the planet Ouranos, so people will stop staying Urine-us as a way to avoid butt jokes.
@@hrach1384 In Greek Mythology, the Titan Kronos, or Chronos, overthrew Ouranos(who was head god at the time) by castrating him. In some tellings, his balls fell into the ocean, became sea foam, and that sea foam created Aphrodite.
Lol
"As iron is eaten away by rust, so the envious are consumed by their own passion"
- Antisthenes
@this comment section
Athens just would not let people forget they had the highground.
Athens: "It's over Mytilene, I have the High Ground"
Mytilene: "You underestimate my power"
Athens: "Don't try it, I have the High Ground"
*Mytileneian rebellion and Athens almost killing all the men*
Athens: "You were my Debt-I mean Friend Mytilene, High Ground, why did you have to push me when I had the High Ground?"
(I'm not sorry)
As a PG-13 Production, Revenge of the Sith is allowed one F-Bomb.
"F*** YOU ANAKIN, I have the high ground!"
Nothing wrong with telling people you had the High Ground.
oddly reminiscent of the us tbh
She definitely had the high ground alright. But she really underestimated the power of Sparta.
I read the mytilene part in Thucydides this weekend, Kleon’s speech is insane. I was sitting there like “uh, hey, this guys kind of sounding like a supervillain, are we gonna question that one?”
Apprently his name became a euphemism warmongering rulers, that in the "Song of Ice and Fire" (aka Game Thrones books), one of the freed slave cities was ruled by Cleon "The Butcher".
He was the Donald Trump of Ancient Greece.
@@Mazou-tj4ne Only if you're delusional.
@@patrickfrost9405 Eh, I can't help but disagree with you on the 'delusional' thing. Kleon's speech gives off a lot of 'Make Athens Great Again' vibes what with his earnest desire to maintain Athen's Empire, contempt for discussion or 'cleverness', preference for rigid, unchanging opinions (including killing all the Mityneans), and its frustration with democracy being 'too compassionate.' Whether or not we personally consider Kleon Trumpian... the parallels do exist.
@@korayven9255your TDS is showing.
"Diss the Fleet.
Get the Yeet."
~Cultured Athenian
I LOVE this format, and how the outlying smaller cities helped to create the glorified image we read about. I'm so excited to learn more about other cities and their 'suburbs' in the future. Also, I am sort of hoping Blue gets to do a "detail diatribe" about architecture or a historical narrative.
I agree, a city can not stand without the surounding area, especially in the food department. So most cities are surounded by small port, fishing, and farming villages that grow into major suburbs and without them the "City Proper" definitely wouldn't exist ir be a strong as it was.
So its really cool to learn about the "suburbs" as well, and seeing Athens' wall be essentially a dumbell is really cool and funny.
Oh yeah, agreed. Seeing the whole Athenian network at work summarized was very interesting. Hope Blue does more "city collections" like that in the future!
6:30 "Thucydides literally invented history" is a sentence that's surprisingly true, since Herodotus was more of a storyteller that wished to preserve said stories from fading into existence, while in turn Thucydides wrote history the way we define it today. That said, I wouldn't argue with the Romans as to who the father of history was 😄.
Yes and no. At least Herodotus travelled to various places and wrote what he saw and was told. He also always said to take it with a grain of salt when he was 100% sure, but people ignore this for some reason. Thucydides never travelled beyond Greece and only wrote about the War and the history of the parties involved.
@@ptlemon1101 You're absolutely correct; although Thucydides never travelling beyond Greece isn't necessarily a minus since that's where the war unfolded.
We could maybe define Herodotus as the first Anthropologist, though he did describe the history of the Persian War so...
In college I heard Herodotus regularly referred to as "The gossip columnist of the ancient world."
Attempting to argue with the romans over the merit or value of anything made by the greek is a bad idea.
I really liked the format this time around! Swapping the focal points between each of the cities makes it really interesting, because you get to weave togeather the narrative of the larger empire while still getting to show off more of the niche elements. This could apply so well to so many places! Italy, the HRE, Japan, china, France, or legit like anywhere. All of them could have this same format applied and it would be super cool! Though honestly because you're not aiming for youtube shorts anymore you could probably drop the 1 minute per city restriction, or atleast be flexible with it, but that could go either way.
Either way it rocks! You rock!
Not sure what else to add to this, so just going to say this is my answer too.
"The literally invented history so we wouldn't forget about them" is probably the biggest flex ever XD
Didn't Chinese historians already exist by the time -5th century Greeks started writing historical texts?
It's certainly the biggest flex in History, at least.
@@discountchocolate4577 this is just my personal opinion, but their pride still stands as the cause for some of the greatest athenian contributions to the world. no evidence here, but i would guess the way they recorded history in athens and china is different?? so that’s why the distinction is there. however, oral traditions in story telling i guess could be called history and same thing with cave paintings so i have no clue. ignore me lol
*suddenly materializes* “WHO SUMMONED ME”
Eric
I'm a busy man. Don't anger me. I warned you!
@@merlinmeurer5339 *pulls out bat covered in tasers* “Where?”
Wtf is this comment and reply chain
@@thatoneguy6466 don’t ask questions, your time already started
I think blue is in a time loop that always begins with covering Athens
No wonder so many ancient myths and stories are about "fall due to excess hubris" they were all jelly of Aethens and was what happened to them
They might have been written by Athenians, though
Athens: “we have the best navy! NO ONE Can beat us.”
Me and Kasandra: “try us malaka!”
*MALAKA!* intensifies
Damn that was funny Μαλακα
I know exactly 1 word in Greek and it's the most useful one xD
@@misamisaa4547 Yeah, it has the best utility of any swear word in Greek.
Trying to call a friend? "Που είσαι ρε μαλάκα" ("Where are you you malaka")
Trying to get in a fight? Again, you use it.
Trying to show your surprise? You bet it's there!
@@Lunictd is it basically the Greek kurwa then?
Greek Mythology: Don't do Hubris, kids
Athens: I'm going to pretend I didn't see that
0:44 (Red’s voice) “It’s time for another ~deep thoughts with Heinlein~”
“Cannibalism… is actually fine.”
“Agnes is like that because Freud was right about everything.”
Why not: "Imperialism is fine because we are the good guys."
@@blueteller And anyone who disagrees is brainwashed.
I always like learning about history
Amazing, isn't it?
@@taylorleeforcongress8470 It sure is
0:29 I can just hear Red voicing "our hubris wasn't big enough! We have to go BIGGER!"
Me: So when did things start going sideways?
History: Well there are a few factors...
*Alcibiades has entered the chat... And your pants*
I mean, he IS totally gorgeous
I mean....it also could of just been the super villan level of charisma he possed....and the mind control powers. Probably more the mind control powers.
As a born and raised Athenian I feel flattered for this video but I have to say that I each region of Greece had and has very vibrant pieces of history to tell.
Britain: exists
Athens: My true successor
wait I think you’re on to something here...!
How to make something Athenian:
- Make it gorgeous
- Make it petty
- Make Blue like it
Well, we just have to learn if Cyan is petty, and then we'll have confirmation Blue married/is about to marry an Athenian.
@@samrevlej9331 Calm down, Diogenes
@@lorddaegoth If all it takes to be called a Diogenes is to define things by elimination, we must ask ourselves what our good boy from Sinop was doing in Russia in the 1930s with a sick 'stache and pipe.
That wouldn't distinguish it from being Venetian though.
@@samrevlej9331 I mean....he light weight compared her to the beauty of the Roman road system...so.....
I really like this format, as the shorts were like delicious hors d'oeuvres, while these longer video are like equally delicious meals :)
After watching The Owl House and this video, I think I’m starting to develop a rational fear of Owls and Owl-related things.
But... Hooty
The only owl I fear is Duolingo /hj
@@lclrc16 All hail the benevolent ruler Doulingo.
Soon the human race shall submit to its all-mightly rule
Meanwhile, those of us who are old enough knew this already from that time the owls came for our Tootsie Roll Pops.
@@zenogias01 "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
Athenians thought they were the main character, and they kinda were
They’re like the proto-example of “you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
It was really nice of Athens to not do a genocide on Mytilene.
Tell that to poor Milians
Sparta: "You use your port as way to sustain your population? This is illegal!"
Athens: "Illegal? THIS IS ATHENS!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
>Athens! Is that... legal?!
>I WILL MAKE IT LEGAL.
Ah Athens
The Greek Britain that constantly stares out into the distance thinking about stuff
with only marginally less navy-based arse kicking
My high school Mythology teacher: ancient Greece was pacifist and philosophical
Blue: hold on a minute
Wow, your mythology teacher didn't actually read any history, did they?
*every single myth include rape, brutal murders, cruel and unusual torture or a mix of the 3*
Teacher: pacifist and philosophical.
Your high school had a mythology class?
@@lordtrigon1733 I went to a tiny small-town Class D (meaning little $$) school system. One if the high school teachers was a disgraced college professor (personally I think being an outspoken lesbian in the 70's was her "disgrace") who talked the admin into allowing both a semester of Shakespeare and Mythology (mostly Greek, a little Norse) to the "college prep" curriculum. She certainly knew her Shakespeare but not her mythology. They were fun courses tho.
To give you an idea of the average student, when the career counselor asked if we knew what a pharmacist was, one kid said "yeah that's the guy my dad hired to work on the farm" and half the class agreed.
"These are simple farmers. People of the land, the common clave. You know... morons."
"Ancient Greece was pacifist" is either the ballsiest lie or the most blatant admission of ignorance you can utter
This format is AMAZING for enterprising DMs looking to plagia... get inspiration from real world history. That double city fortress+shipyard complex is just *chef's kiss*
Athens, the city that was also its own Greek tragedy.
Love this medium length form. Doesn't feel like you are going to pass out after giving the 60 speel. But it also is not a full 30+ commitment. It is a glancing blow about the city without skipping over everything
Blue: Starts City Minutes to be 1 minute long
Athens? SEVEN MINUTES
6:43 my thoughts about the first city-minutes were “wow this is really cool. I wish it was horizontal and longer/more in depth.” Though my insatiable appetite for history can *never* be satisfied, I definitely enjoyed this version and hope to see more
I still can’t get over just how many parallels that Athens has to the modern US. From doing anything to be culturally and philosophically dominant, to not being called an empire (despite totally being an empire), it’s quite interesting.
Great Britain did it first quit shaming the US
@@ronaldshelny9439Sort of. Britain was a monarchy and was an outspoken empire combine this with the US and Athens quick rise to power and this rise to power coming almost immediately after a massive war; I’d say that the USA has far more parallels with Athens and the Roman republic than does Britain.
Also how the heck did the British shame the United States? Considering that your colonies teamed up with your longtime rivals/enemies, and then within the next 160 years helped save you twice, and then took over the globe, I’d say that if anyone shamed anyone it would be the other way round.
(That being said I wholeheartedly reject this idea of one nation shaming the other as both are extremely close allies and benefit from this friendship)
As someone who played assassin's creed odyssey all of this places are coming back to my memory like I was there
OSP: *releases a video*
Me: *liking video intensifies*
Athens: The ultimate min-maxers.
Long story short: Arrogant and annoying younger brother to Sparta
You see, it runs in the family.
Younger brother. Sparta had been a significant regional power since well before Athens got out of diapers.
I've always questioned whether Athens was way over blown or not. My understanding is that most information about Athenian history comes from Athens and that much of the other major poleis sources were not preserved to the same degree.
We have a lot of books from that period, as well as the ruins. Pericles's age was indeed *that* good, but i would also say that was kinda a one-generation wonder.
You're right Blue, this is a much better format for City Minutes
Wow, early gang.
Now, to say something interesting.
Uh…… DIOGENES!
Also, good job on the vid
I would love a City Minutes on Nuremberg, focusing on literally any time prior to German unification.
at first I thought it said "the antarctic empire" and I was CONFUSION
One is stuck playing the impassioned protagonist in one’s Subjective Narrative of Self🎈
I understand all of those words seperately
“Everybody is the hero of their own story?
I just wanted to say I’m a big fan of your videos! I especially like how open both you and Red are whenever it’s difficult to find sources and exact details for the topics you present, I really appreciate the level of honesty you have with your viewers. I really enjoy history and classic literature, so your channel has been an oasis for when I need to retreat and hear someone rant about how difficult the character of Loki is to define, or how Vienna stands (or floats) as a testament to the fact that some people live to spite the laws of nature. Thank you for everything you do for your viewers!
Tip to improve next time:
Nothing, this was awesome. Well done Blue :)
I liked this format a lot! I kinda wish they were even longer tbh, but that's mostly because I love your videos so much 👉👈
I love the longer format there’s so much more information
Great video, Blue! I love this format. Keep it up!
Yes this version of city minutes is so nice
"It's gorgeous, it's petty as hell, and I LOVE it!" Merch and meme bait much?
Excellent evolution from the short format, well done!
Excellent video, Blue. Love the new format!
I loved it as always!!! Both formats are fine, the shorts were interesting as youtube stories and short blurbs of information, so I like that as well as this, but no real preference. Amazing work!!!
This format is really nice! A whole bunch of city minutes strung together to form a narrative feels right at home with everything else on this channel
Loved it. Welcome back!
Love the format now! Thanks! 😄
I really like this format, thank you!
Absolutely love your videos guys keep em up
Love the format now! Very informative
Great video
Loved the new format
Way better this time around. And adding the surrounding city info really helped contextualize it
This is beautiful. And yet another series for you to pour your passion for the subject in to my brain.
Yes, I like this better than the other shorts. Thanks for making it more interconnected!
Great video Blue! Informative and funny as always
Outstanding summary of what happened between the end of the Greco-Persian War and the beginning of the Peloponnesian War. 🏆
Absolutely love that y’all do classics related videos from time to time
Love the new format!
I like the format, it’s nice to see the pieces come together
This was a great short, Blue! Clear, concise, and well researched.
Loved the video!! Its so cool to see the history of a place through the individual cities!!
I've been binging everything on this channel for 3 days. I can't stop.
Great format!
Very much appreciate combine previous talking points in the same subject into one segment.
Love this much more. Great work Blue.
Love this format, much better than the shorts, please continue with it
Your history videos are always a pleasure
“You know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”
I'm glad it's longer (and horizontal), but I can't say I'd be overjoyed to see these taking over for full length videos. That said, I'm not paying for this in any way so you do you.
Content's great as always, I just wish it weren't curtailed by a dumb format trend
Loved the longer, wider format :)
This was amazing. Just do more of this. It's perfect!
This was very informative. Blue, if by some twist of fate you ever read this, just know I love your “ancient” history videos. Unfortunately, my college doesn’t offer in-depth classes on history before the 1500s or so, so your videos are a fun way to get more information on topics that my teachers have to rush through in class.
Hey Blue, loved the vid. I'm not sure if done one of these before but I'd love to see a history of Canada video from you. I know you don't really do videos about newer history all that often but I feel no one really knows the history of it and its honestly pretty funny overall, especially when you look up how it became independent from the crown.
This video is awesome! I loved how you picked a theme (Athens and the Peloponnesian War) and explored many different cities with it.
Athenian hubris, best in the world!
Love this format
This is so fascinating! I feel like I got really good look at Athens in the time it took to eat my breakfast cereal, A++ perfect content
Much better and very fun. Thank you, Blue!
Thanks for mentioning Mytilene.
I remember it as an anecdote but I didn't recall the city's name.
The Athenians condemned the entire city to be wiped out and every citizen killed.
The following morning, having come to their senses, at the insistence of the ambassador of Mytilene, the Athenias recalled the penalty but the problem was the courier had already been sent by trireme (or was it a bireme) the night before.
The Mytilene ambassador went around the docks, offering extra payment for volunteer rowers and quickly, they set off in pursuit of the first ship.
They did not allow for any rests, the crew were being fed good food and drink while still rowing.
When they arrived at the condemned city, they found the first ship had already docked. The ambassador and the new Athenian courier hurried to the local Athenian garrisson, where they fortunately caught the garrisson having just been informed of the eradication order, but not having moved yet.
This anecdote was mentioned to show how fast rowing triremes or biremes could be when they rowed non stop and the weather was good.
ATHENS: We're the greatest!
SPARTA: Almost!
Thank you Blue for your lovely information dumps. I never thought I'd be one to learn about history of my own accord. You and Red make it enjoyable though. So thanks. 🤗
These are so interesting! I really love the detail of these videos
Great video as always 😊
I greatly appreciate this new version of City Minutes. Please more.