History Summarized: Rome After Empire
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"It's gonna take more than killing me to kill me" - Rome, constantly.
Rome "Fell" in 476... but we still have Rome. How'd that happen, and what does the Pope have to do with it?
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BOOKS: "Rome: a History in Seven Sackings" by Matthew Kneale, "Naked Statues, Fat Gladiators, and War Elephants" by Garrett Ryan, "Ravenna" by Judith Herrin, National Geographic "Ultimate Visual History of the World" by Jean-Pierre Isbouts
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"Tens of thousands living in a city built for millions"
No insult to the peoples of that era, but that sounds like a fantastic D&D setting.
Free world building concept in need of a good home. Will any kindhearted writer/DM please find it in their hearts to adopt?
-B
Works in sci fi, fantasy, you name it
Reminds me of Wrath of the Righteous. Urban Warfare in a Fantasy Setting is awesome, and I wish it was used more.
In at least one of the D&D worlds I’ve made, elves are actually future humans from an Earth just like ours, but with all the D&D magic and a whole lot of sci-fi stuff in there too. They basically pulled a few of themselves into the main fantasy world.
“Hovering in the sky, miles above a barren mountain, is an entire elven city called Paris. Its centerpiece, the Eiffel Tower, sticks out of the mountain’s peak. But nobody, human or elf, is taking pictures of the city with their magical runes. Wandering around it, it would take a long time for you to find anyone walking down the street, sitting on the benches, or even in a house.
“There’s roughly nine thousand people living in this gigantic city. That might sound like a lot to you and me, but according to its citizens, that’s nowhere near how high the numbers used to be. And that’s including the visiting humans, dwarves, and planar beings (the number of rakshasas is problematic, to say the least). Many have moved out into the surrounding mountain range and plains, forming something like suburbs.
“The citizens tell of a long-gone age when Paris was filled with people from all around the world. How the city was partially abandoned after a ‘nuclear holocaust’, whatever that means. How, when their people began to travel to the stars, the city and its beauty- and, after a while, the nations of their home world Earth- were forgotten.
“Paris is a shell of its former self, something unimaginably bustling, important… and alive. Worst of all, nobody makes good baguettes anymore!”
-Traveler, unidentified
It kinda reminds me of Esper the Bard's solo campaign they did recently, where habitation is in small conclaves built inside of a great and terrible maze structure.
Idea for a movie: The Goths forcibly have Rome abandoned, but neglect to evict one person, a drunkard so inebriated he did not notice his neighbors leaving until one day he sobers up enough to notice he's all alone in the city that once controlled the Mediterranean. The entire movie is him remembering the stories of this place while trying to figure out what happened to make everyone leave. Working title: The Last Man in Rome
Honestly, I'd pay money to watch a movie like that.
Some story conceits that would have to be made in order to have an actual story going on besides a dude walking around an empty and sacked city could be that the MC is a student of a historian of Rome, so they know enough history to remember it but not a complete encyclopedic history. There could be flashback scenes of the MC and his historian mentor talking about historical stories while walking f through pre-sacked Rome. I guess for a story like this, where most of the screen time would be dedicated to 1 main character for the majority of the time as they wander an empty city, it pays to have some narrative mechanisms in place so that it doesn't become boring, ya know?
Ooh or like a small stakes conflict between a few Romans who have a vendetta with a small band of Goths (maybe resisting eviction or for vengeance) set amongst a sprawling, monumental, statue-strewn, but eerily empty post-eviction Rome.
If done right the visuals could be amazing. Less literally about the decline of Rome but more evoking it and using it to set the atmosphere
@@ajiththomas2465 that is true, most average Romans wouldn't have known the history behind the politics that shaped their lives, without prior research and study that the majority wouldn't have had access to, a person with that background would be fun to follow for a movie. However, I was thinking of going into this with the angle of story's and information that average Romans were given through word of mouth and propaganda rather then actual history. The guy would be using his limited knowledge to make sense of his situation basically.
@@ModernEphemera that would be cool! A smaller conflict mirroring the much larger conflict
@@gergenthequietmetalhead4226
I could see the MC being an average Roman plebian who tries to use his limited knowledge to make sense of the ruins of Rome. But at the same time, it makes you wonder why this dude didn't leave Rome years ago and move to the country side like all the other average Romans? Why even focus on stories when getting food is more important? Without the MC having a tangible connection to Roman history and literature, it wouldn't make sense for the MC to have ever stayed in Rome long enough to be the only one left there or why he wouldn't immediately leave. Plus, the knowledge of the average Roman is not the same thing as the knowledge of the average audience member. We'd be just as lost if not even more lost because the average audience member wouldn't have the slightest clue about what life and culture was like in Rome. Having the MC be a learned student of a historian helps fixes that because it provides a foundation of certainty to what the MC remembers and talks about and why he would stay in the sieged Rome instead of leaving a long time ago.
OSP has slowly been taking over my life and I’m not mad.
Not mad at all 😌 Osp are the best!
Not even a bit :3
Same here, honestly. XD
Same
It already took over my life like 2 years ago
I believe that Odoacer sacked Rome by throwing the Emperor down a shaft and watching him explode into a brilliant ball of blue energy. That's the only proper way to depose an Emperor and I'm quite certain I saw a fresco depicting this historical event.
Just kidding. Odoacer spared the Emperor because that is the true Jedi way. And it wasn't depicted in a fresco. It was depicted in a mosaic!
Thank you for this vital history
Thank you Obi-Wan Kenobi
Took me three read-throughs to get the joke.
You get an, 'Ey, I see what you did there! 😏 👉👉
Except Odoacer is like the sith. Just like all g*rms.
“Somehow, Romulus Augustulus returned”
There's an amazing comic about the Fall of the Western Empire called "Amiculus", in which the byzantines, after re-conquering Rome during the reign of Justinian, try to find out the fate of Romulus Augustulus while the last days of the boy as emperor are shown through flashbacks. Loved the way Orestes was portrayed here as a maniac obsessed with maintaining the Empire no matter what
I only know a comic when Rome was at its peak, defeating all the tribes Gaul... well almost all of it: one village was left
@@cerebrummaximus3762 It wasn't at its peak yet, that would technically be under Trajan.
It sounds awesome. Where can I read it?
Huh, sounds interesting
What is the comic?
4:54 this image is so... _evocative_ .
There's such a lonely, melancholy tranquility. Imagine living in a nature-claimed city, once the greatest in the world, a seat of untold power moments before. You tend your farm and look up at these random columns still standing that your great grandfather carved for a kingdom that...doesn't exist?
I'm imagining it, and mostly I'm just trying to figure out why I suddenly started thinking about a dead guy I've never met who has no bearing on my life. Now I've shrugged it off and I'm back to my crops.
@@CoralCopperHead so why do you watch history videos?
@@gormauslander He's talking as if he was that farmer, i.e. questioning that thought process about the fallen and getting back to work.
The Byzantines, after the Gothic Wars: Okay so that war may have destroyed most of everything on the peninsula, but it's okay because the Goths are defeated and no one else is going to show up-
The Lombards: 'Sup.
Rome may have been persistent but unfortunately for them so were the Germans...
@@CollinMcLean If there's one thing we're good at it's causing chaos.
@@Dreagostini From the Germanians, to the Anglo-Saxons, to the Norse, and to the Holy Roman Empire.
And yes I know the Norse are Scandinavian and not geographically German but I am counting them since they're Germanic descended and spoke a germanic lagnuage.
@@CollinMcLean Well, they are a germanic people so you're correct. Angles, Jutes and Saxons descendet from the Peninsula of Jutland, which is Danish today and was it for many many centuries. They had the same pantheon, until Christianity hit, similar rites, etc.
So Rome adopted my Grandpa (grew up in the depression on a farm). I always was bummed when I saw historical sites neglected. His perspective was always “very pretty, can’t use it for much tho.” (No object sentimentality for that man, only a no nonsense understanding of what is needed to live another day.” In many ways, he helped me understand that sometimes old things must die to allow the living to thrive…but other times, we work to preserve the beautiful.
If it makes you feel any better Blue, I'm sure when they melted bronze statues & broke apart marble statues that those in charge made sure to concentrate on the most damaged pieces, from previous sacking & lack of maintenance. Even the most practically minded fall to sentimentalism.
Also that would just be less work.
Use it all, f*ck half-measures.
No, my dad is extremely unsentimental.
He would melt down any old thing. He doesn’t care! Men like him exist
Seeing people living in the ruins gave me some post apocalyptic vibes. Very much how I would imagine people living in some ruins of big places such as New York city after a major catastrophe happened and its has been a few decades so nature has reclaimed some of it.
Realizing that all the fantasy stories about people living among the ruins of a once great ancient kingdom are actually kinda about the fall of rome
They don't call it Romance for nothing!
I always find this bit of history to be interesting. How Rome became the various countries we see today (like Italy). See all the Goths and Germanic tribes sweep through the west and seeing the rise of the Frankish people.
It's so comforting to know that Rome never really died, only changed and grew into what was needed by its people throughout the century... :)
I try very hard to keep that thought in mind when I look at what our current civilization is going through.
Good riddance.
@@JanusKastin Is what our current civilization going through war, state repression, unchecked latestage capitalism, popular fascist movements and unchecked global warming? Just asking, because that's certainly not going to help us.
@@atwcat9370 it's all been bound to happen anyway. The more humans fought their culling factors, the worse and more untenable our situation became. The better we got at surviving, the more we ironically doomed ourselves
@@atwcat9370 I think the idea that we can adapt and continue to exist help when you're trying to decide if we even deserve to exist.
Congrats on 10 years of educating us plebs
A comma would be funny here.
Congrats on 10 years of educating, us plebs
Although the Normans are so far removed from Gauls that calling them that makes close to no sense, the symetry is almost poetic.
So I can't be mad, very nice.
It's definitely a geographically based joke. Ethnically, the Christian-scandinavian-french Normans could not be more different than the earlier pagan Gauls of Brennus' days.
But... Y'know, the meme.
-B
For those interested in the re-conquest of Rome by the byzantines, there's a 1968 german-italian film called "The Last Roman", in which Emperor Justinian is played by the legendary Orson Wells. It's pretty enjoyable, actually!
Rome is that one DnD player whose character dies and they end up playing a relative of the original
“Rome, cannot die.”
I have never heard truer words.
Or more unfortunate ones.
@@CoralCopperHeadOnly unfortunate if you’re of a certain clade.
Honestly, I'd love to see a summary of the way ancient society became medieval society.
Kind of exciting that I’ve been following these guys since freshman year of high school. Now I’m a college sophomore and just declared last night as a history major. I blame OSP :)
An Ostrogothic italy that manages to avoid Byzantine invasion somehow is actually one of my favorite alternate history scenarios actually, and I think it's really underrated. Without all the chaos and destruction of the gothic wars and invasions I wonder how much more prosperous and united medieval italy would have been under the Ostrogoths.
I tried it in ck2 and I became richer than the Tang Dynasty in just 200 yrs of gameplay. The reppublics and the Silk Road can be ultra exploited
The more I learn about Rome and it's empire, the more I respect and admire, while also desiring to laugh at it. Rome is the living version of that room on fire and saying it's fine meme, but for hundred of years. Rome is the kind of nation that hears it's dead, than asks why no one told it and goes to it's own funeral for giggles. How is there no SCP or eldritch god style thing related to Rome as a living being?
Well there's still time for that!
Technically Mother Harlot, form the Bible(Book of Revelation), is likely an allegory for Rome, but not in a positive light.
Hundreds? More like thousands.
There was a cult for Rome the Goddess as a divine personification of the city that started around the 4th century BC and died out about 700 years later when the Empire became Christian. She's depicted on several still existing monuments and coins, usually dressed up like an Amazonian warrior and without various symbols associated with victory and power.
Goddess aside, as someone living in Rome I can confirm several areas have Big Eldritch Energy.
Blue, you got so close to talking about the Cluster-Fire that was Cola Di Rienzo. He "brought back" the Republic...for like 7 months in the 1300s.
The "Idea of Rome" is a magical torch...but it tends to burn most who try and grasp it.
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Tenth anniversary! I honestly can’t believe it. Thanks for everything. :D
*Rome gets sacked
Rome: I didn't hear no bell
I love this video. Rome from 476 to 1000 or so is usually just not talked about. It's a fascinating story and I can't believe everyone ignores it. It sets up so much of the Late Medieval period and Renaissance but just gets ignored.
"800 years of silence randomly interrupted by Rome getting sacked"
"The Eternal City." One hell of a nickname
The fact that Odoacer spared the kid makes him a a real one.
“Nature is healing” is my favorite line in this video.
Since I left school weekends and Fridays have meant basically nothing (I work a job that runs 24/7 so weekends don't exist😭) OSP makes my Fridays special again
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Just ordered one of each pin and an extra Hades Persephone bundle for my brother for Christmas. Great work as always guys!
Weird that THIS is the "origin story" of Pope Fights, the classic meme series.
General summation of Rome and Death's relationship:
"I exist just to spite you"
Thanks for the merch plug at the start. Those pins are so cute, and so stylish too! Thanks Blue for this brief and informative lesson on the "in-between" era between late Roman Empire and Holy Roman Empire.
Last time I was this early, Aneas was being carried by Aphrodite
Then you haven't arrived yet, because the myth is Aneas carrying his father Anchises out of the burning city of Troy.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 The Iliad, remember?
My brain has been taken by Warhammer 40k. Every time Blue say Belisarius I just think of the Admech Magos.
Ever since I started my college life and had to dive into The Iliad and DESPERATELY needed a summary cause damn, so much unnecessary stuff went down that I STILL have issues remembering all of it, OSP has taken over my life with its many educational videos about greek mythology as well as mythology in general. I am now officially in love with mythology and am obsessed with the miscellaneous myths series. Man I'm in love with this channel.
"Nature is healing" made my little Celtic Polytheist heart smile. ;)
Who hopes that OSP gets a chance to play Monster Prom?
I want to see Red relate to Liam, Blue, relate to Calculester, Indigo relate to Zoe, and Cyan relate to Vera
The whole bundle was on sale for 50% off during halloween too! They could have bought it already and it'll be the next gaming stream.
@@LuneWatcher maybe but I’m not holding my breath if they didn’t
I'm in Rome right now so this felt like a big thumbs up to me for travelling.
so early! Thank you for the video! love you guys!
I can’t believe you guys have done this for 10 years please keep it up OSP you’re just great
Keep it going Blue! You're the best history teacher I've ever had. These videos get me through my work day
Osp is now one of the CZcams channel I keep trying to get others to watch I absolutely love the channel it’s a highlight for me to see a new video
You made my day thanks 😀
Yes! A new vid! Exciting. Hi Blue!
Thank you for the wonderful video Blue.
Curse you Blue!!! I have been tempted each time by the fancy little pins, but now in gold? So shiny. So preciousss! Whelp thats my Christmas present for myself done.
The first march I have ever gotten for CZcams was you, keep it up!
Both one of the most interesting, and saddening videos
The new pins are so cute and ✨shiny!✨
Congratulations on your ten-year milestone 😊
Awesome vid. I've been curious about this topic for a long time
I have been waiting for this for ages.
I'd love to see more vids on transitionary periods like this one. Often I have a clear image in my head of what two specific periods are like, but the transition from one to the other is much fuzzier so this was super enlightening. Here's to many more years!
FINALLY. ITS HERE
Blue after finishing this episode without crying: Please excuse me, I am going into the bath tub and cry myself clean.
This video was great! If it's possible, I'd like to know where I could learn more on the Great Schism between the Catholic Papacy and Orthodoxy, since it feels like a really big event with a lot of info.
A channel called Extra Credits talks about this, in a video series called Early Christian Schisms (they once did a crossover with OSP). It's quite interesting!
@@m-edesharnais5409 Ooh! I've watched a lot of Extra Credits, but never heard of this series! Thanks!
There's a series of books about the medieval times of Rome made by Gregorovius a German author who is in no way an historian, but they're really interesting to read
That might have been your densest video yet. So much information...
This was great 👏🏽
This is my first time clicking on one of your videos, and immediately I have to say. Those pins are cute! Awesome merch, even if I haven't viewed enough of your content to purchase any quite yet.
Rome had been sacked a third time 472 by its own Generalissimus Flavius Ricimer.
When Flavius Odoacer took power and introduced retirement at age 16 for emperors in 476, it was recovering from this.
I can’t believe I have been watching this sense I was 10 like I remember watching this channel when it was so small and the channel was only 4 years old. I love this content so much
Never thought I would learn the reason French has so many accent marks from an OSP video, but I love it.
This...might be my favorite OSP video. A combination of the history we know: the years, the heroes, the battles; and the history that is often forgotten: the culture changes, the slow evolution, and the lives of the people who are unnamed in the literature.
I love these videos!
Excellent video. Engagement for the algorithm, because you deserve it.
Blue, you know what would be amazing? The story of the Colosseum between when it was built and used as we think of it, and today. Cuz I was curious during this video wondering about it during those times Rome was largely abandoned, and Wikipedia alludes to it being used as a church, a castle, a bandit den, etc.
At 4:21, I feel like an immortal can be placed in this setting. Seeing a home they lived in for so many centuries crumble in what would seem to them as simply a few seconds in their long lives.
Imagine their absolute joy in finding Rome resurrected itself, and when they return (idk, maybe they went to China and lived there for a while) they find the city has so many new buildings. But they will still recall how Rome "fell" in all of the marble cladding has been removed, leaving only a husk.
Just got the hades&persephone, Artemis and Apollo and the Hestia and Demeter pin packs! But I’ll get them actually on Christmas but I’m still so excited! Thanks for always making my day OSP, stay awesome and as sarcastic as always
History: Man you have no arms or legs!! ... Rome: But a scratch! Have at you!
Perfect timing, just yesterday I finished Mike Duncan's 189 ep long The History of Rome podcast and wanted to know what came next.
11:33
Blue: "After all these centuries, the Gauls have returned to sack Rome"
The Normans: "Hvað í fjandanum ertu að tala um?"
(This was a joke, don't correct me)
Crikey, has it really been 10 years since OSP came into existence? Well, a big thank you to Red and Blue and the rest of the OSP team for making such a wonderful channel :)
Wow as a fan for a large part of that decade congrats my dudes
That’s a very quick and dirty synopsis of the fall of Rome and it’s aftermath. Thank you for sharing.! 😊
Finally, a video about my favourite subject EVER!
OSP please make a babylon video I have been waiting for a babylon video for so long
You had me in the first words
(Great video btw this is adorable)
Pretty awesome thx
You need a danm theme song. Like right after you say “let’s do some history” a jazzy little jingle plays with some cool visuals. That’d be sick. Also amazing vid, love all the content and you guys in general
Finally the part of history no one talks about
this is really great because I know very little about this time period and that book that goes year-by-year and describes what happened, excellent as it may be, wasn't enough
Heya, Blue! Great video, as always! I've been ranting to all my friends about this channel cuz you guys make history and mythology so much fun! (Btw, a video about the history of Croatia would be awesome.) xoxo!
One of my favorite history stories involving Croatia was during the Wars of Austria Succession Fredrick the Great created the Jaegers to counter the Croatian Grenzer. And he immediately complained that 10 Jaegers weren't worth a singer Grenzer.
had to get myself a pin, just had to but also great videos as always keep it up!
Blue, you are the only reason I know anything about history. I thank you for that... though my friends may not.
10 years goddamn
Congrats y'all!!
Congratz to OSP for the anniversary, and congratz to Rome for not dying.
This is the shit I love, the details that connect this lesson in history class with that lesson in history class.
Please do the Pope Fights video you proposed on the Saeculum Obscurum, it sounds very fun!
Little blue and red pins bought!
There super cute!
Don’t like the gold outline but it’s to celebrate the anniversary so it will work.
😁
Keep up the great work!
yeah same, i've been waiting all year for the restock of november and now these ones will look diferent from the others i have, are the normals coming back for black friday? OCD IS REAL MAN
This is great inspiration for a good ol' fashioned dungeoncrawl.
10 years of youtubing... my God, and it all started with BRIAN BLESSED
MachiMachi knocks it outta the park yet again. You lov to see it
It's so interesting to see that great falls are slow and seeming normal. It's awesome! 😎
Thank you Blue!!
I have been working on a DnD campaign for some time based on this history period. It is so fascinating. It is unfortunate that this period is not used in more historic books and films
"and I know this look bad... and IT IS!!"
from now on this will be my new catch phrase