TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on ROMANCE
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- It's Valentine's Day, so on this Very Special Episode of The Basics, we take a look at the history of robots smoochin' up on each other!
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Chris McFeely Wil you still do Saturday’s next video?
No vid tomorrow, this is this week's episode, just a day early!
@@ChrisMcFeely Can transformers make baby by mixing a part of their spark with the other part of a another transformers spark?
and let's not forget pretty much every Starscream
who is pretty much always in love with himself
nathan prins ow...? I’m with Soundwave actually. Haha lol. Go look at Megatron for that. Lmao.
See also: that one time in animated henflirted with himself.
@@lozm4835 I actually headcanon that Slipstream is his deep-seated self-loathing.
@@PartigradeCannon That would make one Awkward date
@@lozm4835 "Hey babe, wanna see my Null Ray?"
"Only if you use it on yourself."
Alas, Love was eventually slain by a cosmically-empowered Starscream.
Shortly after it's toy was discontinued
They had big plans for it in Animated season 4😭
@@anitamihholap5926 yeh
What do you mean in season 4?
@@cupcakeprime559 Oof. Have you watched Transformers Animated? They planned to have a forth season to it and even started production, but the show got cancelled before it could happen. Which is sad, because the story and characters still had a lot to them.
Knockout doesn’t only have the “stereotypical” gay personality, he also literally catcalled Optimus prime
I still chuckle whenever someone brings that up
Knockout is such a sassy bastard and I love it
As you should
Knock Out's type: *T H I C C* & shiny
So he is biromantic.
In front of Breakdown too, these cons ain’t loyal 😔
Nothing’s stronger then love...
Except for Grimlock
Me grimlock no bozo me king
*Laughs in Bruticus*
*laugh in cosmically-empowered Starscream*
*Laughs in primus*
Laughs In unicron
“If they can hate each other enough to wage a war for 4 million years, there’s no reason for transformers cant love each other as well”
No better way to put it~
I know they say that there can be a thin line between love and hate but I wouldn't assume capacity to hate means capacity to love. But then I'm not an optimist.
You know. Could say Megatron loves Optimus. I mean never seen a bot go so far to be the only thing another bot thinks of.
Will you excuse me. I am going to wish for an Underbase Powered Starscream to kill me before Megatron slowly rips me to shreds.
No better place to put it
Okay.
THIS is a surprise!!
👀
Right?!
Arcee:*exists*
Fan fiction writers: it’s free real estate
The actual writers as well. Poor girl is always stuck with romance subplots because she was the girl bot.
IDW gave it a very good twist
Jack, don't fist robot girls!
Danm
im surprised nobody is talking about knockout
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so i made stinger into an overload like prime
Disney, for the 238th time: "OuR nExT MoViE wIlL fEaTuRe OuR fIrSt OpEnLy GaY cHaRaCtEr!!!"
Transformers: "Amateurs."
Fan fict writers: Pathetic
Knockout is the best gay representation ever made.
Change my mind
(Maybe Alongside Kanji Tatsumi from Persona 4 and Angel Dust from Hazbin Hotel)
@@stefy7234 Knock Out is the greatest thing ever
@@stefy7234 Kanji's not gay though
@@tartatovsky I think he was implied to be bi. He had a crush on Naoto long before he realized she was a girl. The fact that he still had a crush on her after the reveal could mean he’s open to both genders
"If they can hate each other enough to wage a war for four million years, there is no reason Transformers can't love each other as well"
-Chris McFeely
'Most transformers go through life without finding that special someone'
So like real life
Me Irl
I've still never met a girl who's my type.
Give it time, yo. I used to think the same thing myself, but in the last year I met the woman of my dreams and now we're together. What you've got to remember is that life isn't a race. There's no "right" age to find someone you love or get married, and you're not "behind" at finding a relationship. Sounds sentimental, but it's true.
I felt that and was like "dang😥"
Oof size large
I never really considered Optimus Prime and Blackarachnia having a Batman and Catwoman relationship until now.
I hated that they did that with
Elita one/Blackairacnia, I still do. But I'm not as mad at it as I am at the fact that Disney approved Star wars the last jedi the way it was. It could be better
Boom 6678 did you really brought a totally different media while talking about the romance with optimus and blacarachnia
@@octaviocontrerasvalle811 star wars fans be salty af
I liked watching Silverbolt Drive Blackarachnia nuts you could tell he was getting under her skin
@@jonkim7683 they ruined Disney and now Disney ruining the video properties they own.
"Why... are they smashing their mouths together?"
😂😂😂😂😂
Lemme smash. Please.
Where my 2 liter of coke
It's the aligned continuity so yeah....
@@PhoenixBird9000 I got you blue. B*tches love blue
@@Cantthinkofanames i drunk it all
I love how idw took such a logical step. Without the preconception of gender and with no natural instincts to entice them to procreate love in transformers is the most pure precious thing out there
Optimus prime x elita one
Iron hide x chromia
Knockout x breakdown
Starscream x himself
i like megatron x starscream but still this is very correct
That last one tho lol. So accurate
Soundwave x Megatron
@【SimpliToki】 TM i can not believe that happened
@@nnb_az122 makes sense since soundwave is more loyal to him
Kinda disappointed that this isn’t a segment on Chris McFeely ACTUALLY giving me the basics on romance.
Damn.
💔😭 😂😂😂
jockadoobee
You speak the truth
Mood
@@mithmoonwalker what?
I mean calling knockout a stereotype is kind of an insult cuz everyone knows that Knockout is the hunkiest transformer of all time, I mean, as he said himself, he’s just “Juicy”
well his personality is very flamboyant which is where the stereotype comes from
Knockout is a very stereotypical guy, but it's not really a bad stereotype
There's a character on Venture Bros called Shore Leave who is openly gay but also probably the third biggest badass on the show, being a superspy with a bevy of combat skills and quite the impressive kill count. Knockout kinda strikes me as that vain of character who has a ton of reasons to love him, and being openly gay is just another box to check.
I never understood the whole "It doesn't make sense evolutionary speaking" line of logic when in pretty much every Transformers universe, save for that one comic where they somehow evolved from the gears within Cybertron, the Transformers exist due to Intelligent Design not Evolution. If Primus, the Quintessons, or whoever want to make a race of Asexual robots that are able to feel love then who's going to stop them?
When the Quintessons did it, it was completely accidental and unwanted. And it brought about their downfall. Also, I always hated the "evolved from gears/pulleys/levers" bullshit. It would've made more sense for them to evolve from mineral based lifeforms instead of biological if they wanted to go the evolution route.
That one comic retconned its original of the Transformers race, and in fact was the one that introduced Primus. They later referenced that as the illogically atheist Jetfire's belief, until he was forced to confront reality when he saw the Well of All Sparks and eventually Primus himself in Cybertron's core.
Talking about that, why most of them have human like faces?, (btw, both origins stories are canon, it depends from the version of the story, but there are someones who said that Primus create the transformers but the Quintesons dominated them and make them thinked that they were the creators, and the rest is history) if they were created by quintesons, why they had the human like faces?, quintesons barely had human faces, the most are the judges, but they are abstracted human faces, not the greek perfection ones, and if they were created by Primus, why Primus had a human like face?, why would need a human like nose a giant space robot?
@@jlr1357 The Quintessons, in the continuities where they created the Transformers, based their designs on their clients rather than themselves.
In the Primus origin comics, Primus was, for lack of a better word, an angel of God. Primus himself was created as an emissary of The One, the intelligence at the core of the Universe responsible for its creation. He made Primus in His image, much as he did with all humanoid species.
Transformers, where your favourite ships can be actual ships.
In all seriousness I love the romances in transformers immensely and this is a great video to have today.
Ratchet + Omega Supreme, Best Bromance.
True
Makes me think about the alarming possible existence of an anime where someone dates a battleship girl
(if such an anime does exist pleas let me know for "research purposes")
@@masonjones7777 You don't even need to go to Anime for that. A plot point in an episode of Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda involved a captain involved in a relationship with his ship.
@@PartigradeCannon well, ya got me there. I guess beauty is in the red glowing eye of the beholder, and even if your favorite ship can't hear you, it can read your lips.
"Transformers don't sexually reproduce."
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I can hear someone on DeviantArt saying "That's where you're wrong, kiddo."
Also R34
Also fanfiction
I remember seeing on tf wiki that, due to the organic nature of the maximal and predacon shells in beast wars, it's theoretically possible for them to sexually reproduce, even if the species of their alt modes aren't the same.
@@sigurdgram actually the Maximal Stampy was said to be made by his parents' organic parts
Some have kids. Wheelie is one of those Cybertronians that have parents and is a child himself. There are also the Lithone kids. Then again, they could have been built.
It's not exactly a romantic relationship, but Thundercracker was quite fond of his puppy dog!
𝙱𝚞𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚒𝚜 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚜𝚝 𝚐𝚒𝚛𝚕𝚜 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛...
YEEESS.
That was a good one
When did this happen?
@@Cantthinkofanames that is his characterization in IDW comics. He left the deceptions, fashioned himself a screenwriter, adopted a puppy, and worked with the human alliance as he learned about earth culture and continued working on his writing.
One shall stand
One shall fall.....IN LOVE!!!❤
This is the plot of Transformers Prime.
Title: The Basics on Romance
Kiss Players: I...am...inevitable.
"F*** a duck!" That is from the bloopers
Transformers Franchise: “what...is that?
Kiss Players: “I... I am a monument to all your sins”
Shudder!!!
Two minutes. He didn't even make it two minutes in.
Ahhh, commiting the cardinal fandom sin of recognizing that Kiss Players exists was unfortunately unavoidable. 😅😅
Simon Furman: “All Transformers are male coded.”
Future IDW Writers: “We’re about to pull a pro-gaymer move.”
Omg 😂
GARFIELD
It was a matter of time before female Transformers showed up, 'cuz you can't keep the robophiles down.
Theeey haaaad to have seen it coming when they said all transformers where male....
@Birb Birbington That's pathetic
For all the dolts saying they're just robots and can't feel love...
They are sentient beings. Mechanical or not, love can never be removed from the picture.
What nature and shape that live takes just depends on the bot.
They are synths without the skin.
^^^^
One of the first lines in G1 was the narrator describing them as "robots who could think and feel."
Actually, they first started out as robots that developed their own thoughts and turned on the quintessons, so they would eventually have some sort of romantic thinking in the future
@@Phanto5692 perhaps so, but they have developed to the point where rat trap essentially described a cybertonian strip club in an episode.
Considering it was the 90's, I'm kinda surprised that passed the acid test for airing, but it's fun to think about nonetheless.
Chris put it best, if they can feel enough hatred to fight a war for millions of years surely they can feel love too.
That moment when you realize Powerglide cheated on Moonracer.
@JOSEPH CUNNINGHAM No if i remember correctly they were indeed a couple
Moonracer gets rekt
Lol
Not really. The writers just didn't communicate with each other much. Ariel wasn't originally supposed to be Elita-1 until someone noticed they were both pink and suggested it, but that didn't happen often.
Literally the next episode too 😭
Brawn and Cover Girl conceiving a child through bio-technology...........
Jontron: "i have several questions"
The GI Joe Transformers comic where that happened was really weird.
I wonder how the kid turned out in that.
What-what the fuck?! My reaction on hearing those words
I think they created the first Maximal in that universe. Assuming a Beast Wars happened at some point.
Poor Beachhead!
Relationships is one of the reasons I enjoy IDW comicbooks so much. They portray the world of Transformers with so much more depth than robots fighting a war; they have religion, emotion, biology, concepts of gender & so much more. Thank you for covering this topic.
Facts!
Religion? F**k, now I know which TF comics not read.
Souljastation 5 don’t worry, the religion isn’t that big of a factor, though it can be a little interesting at times. Instead of Primus being an actual god, he’s a regular Cybertronian who just has great durability. I’d say that the religion is IDW Transformers starts to turn from just the basic lore we’ve gotten over the years to being more scientifically explained than anything else within the Transformers universe.
The comics are usually better than the animated shows and movies; they tend to stick to the same and common things in a way but the comics do different stuff than what we usually see, this why I prefer the comics.
@@virtualpellot933 I think you were looking for "different" not "better"
As an ace person this was such an amazing video! There is so little representation of the ace community that finding this entire franchise where being ace is kinda the norm and where being ace is depicted like we’re actually able to feel things like romantic love makes me nearly tear up!
Ace person as well, I'm glad that Optimus Prime and the rest of the Transformers cast can join the ranks of fictional Ace reps. We only really have Perry the Platypus, SpongeBob, Peridot from Steven Universe, Alistor from Having Hotel, Jughead from Archie Comics, and Todd from Bojack Horseman to call our own. And even then only the last two are explicitly addressed in-universe.
Now that I'm thinking about it , Transformers really is the most prominent series in depicting asexual romance huh...
Does it really count as ace if you don't have any form of equipment to you know do the dirty job because it really doesn't sound like more like what that one lizard that reproduces via pretty much cloning soo does it even count as ace or is it just you know robot don't have penis and vaginas vs having those and really not feeling the want or even need to use them
What's ace?
@@alfreddiogu92 not want sex or romance pretty much.... And as I Stated I'm not sure it's actually asexual like at all they just don't have the equipment for the funny style dance
@@theenderdestruction2362we do if we didn't how would be able to pee
MTMTE takes the cake for me. Chromedome and Rewind's love for each other was tragic yet beautiful to read as the Crusadercons continued on their journey. I loved seeing Cyclonus develop and open up to Tailgate. His heartfelt confession to Tailgate, "I love you", damn near broke my heart because he thought he was saying goodbye. I also loved seeing Whirl open up around Cyclonus and Tailgate, and loving them as true friends. Honestly, I like the idea of love in Transformers, it makes them more human, more like actual people, and it gives a story in its own sometimes.
Same Chromewind all the way!
Truth be told, I'd like to see someone actually tackle Optimus and Elita's relationship and not just relegate it to the background or make it not exist.
well i mean technically animated did it? since elita one is black arachnia in that series
That would be awesome.
AMEN! I'd actually like to see transformer's relationships in general. Just because they don't reproduce sexually doesn't mean we don't enjoy seeing their relationships....
Storytelling wise, I think it makes more sense for their relationship to be presented more abstractly: Optimus himself is almost always portrayed as sort of a "larger-than-life" character, so showcasing the ups and downs and (in entertainment) tragedy a relationship usually entails would cut into that. I think it would be most appropriate to show them both stoically supporting each other with fairly obvious affection from their respective positions of authority.
They happen to be one of my favorite fictional couples. Happy Valentines Day!
To quote Patrick Star when he was selling chocolate to someone.
"I Love You :D"
JaySilverhood
*slams door shut*
Not being mean, keeping to the reference.
I find it wholesome how even robots can find love, and they don't care about looks. Oh if only it worked like that in the real world.
Oh they very much do it's just that instead of gender and such it's their alternate mode I bet that if a plane dated a car they would be murdered Because cybertron was a very bad society Before the war
Out of all the couple's reviewed here the one that surprised me the most was DRIFT AND RATCHET!!! I mean.... A gruff and grizzled medic and a solitary lone wolf samurai? I wouldn't have guessed.
Opposites attract. They also have completely opposed views on belief and spirituality.
Thank you so much for stating that sex and love are different things. Absolutely loved this video
Charlie and Bumblebee had better chemistry than Sam who treated Bumblebee as his ‘personal property’ rather than his friend.
That's because in Michael Bay's movies humans are the protagonists, Transformers are just a side-show.
Souljastation 5 I noticed.
@@souljastation5463 That's also what happens in most Japanese Transformers series. We get flooded with obnoxious kids who do nothing useful because those are the audience fill-in characters and the robots kind of just revolve around them.
@@darwinxavier3516 Even in most Super Robot anime there was always a kid, but luckily it was just a side character.
The only useful things she did for Bumblebee in the movie were helping him with the radio and wrecking Shatter and Dropkick's device. Sam faced off highly trained government agents, didn't leave Bumblebee when he lost his legs and was even ready to shoot *Soundwave* in order to save his friend.
Honestly IDW did a great job at show casing these relationships. Cyclonus/tailgate and chromedome/rewind were some of the best out of the recent series.
I'm a man that is married to a woman. When I first started reading comics where transformers were in relationships I knew there would be a number of pissed off fans. Personally, I really liked it. They're robots. They have no genitals. If two that you thought were male robots decide they love each other why should that bother you? They're robots. They don't breed and even if they did..... so what? Even if they did somehow have genders... so what?!? I like these relationships.
I think the argument that "it doesn't make sense," is ridiculous. They're transformers, they literally started as a toy commercial and none of it makes sense.
Payon de, but a community grew out of that tho....a pretty big one
@@arnulfoacevedo8147 I know. That's cool, but we can't sit here and pretend like the concept isn't kind of ridiculous in the first place. I love it, a lot of people love it, some great stories have come out of it. But the idea of romance or gay robots or whatever isn't really stretching in the context of the series
@@PayondeAwsome I mean it all perfectly makes sense They do biologically make more Since then I who will die at any moment just because our body decided to self destruct In one way or another
I mean the theory I've heard for why homophobia and stuff Exist in the 1st place was because people were pressured to reproduce back when you know everyone was more likely to die
Relationships to them are literally Is a different ball game
@@PayondeAwsome Nope Because there would literally be no social stigma against ithe social stigma for their relationships would be dating someone with a different alt mode
I loved the quiet conservative couple of Tigatron and Airrazor, and the bad girl Black Arachnia and chilvarous knight Silverbolt of Beast Wars.
I thought Beast Wars did everything almost perfect. It was funny, serious, had some real issues (usual loyalty and murderous rampages).
I had a crush on Silverbolt when I was a kid, so I was all for his romance with Black Arachnia (who was my fave)
In the end, Tigatron and Airazor were bonded together on the molecular level. And died together later.
BA & Silverbolt were my first major experience with Tf romance, despite having watched the original cartoon long before. But then again, the words of romance between people didn't mean much to me then, but I can appreciate those details looking back...
My personal fave was Dinobot, and am saddened he didn't get a romantic interest.
Rattrap: So I'm a tree hugger. Deal with it.
There 4 You I completely forgot about that line from beast machines
I will never forget that one.
Never knew Knockout was gay. But I should’ve known since I was starting to get the feels for him back in the day
He hit on Optimus Prime, it’s kinda hard to ignore.
Nobody:
Not even a single cybertronian:
Beast Wars || Strascream: I'M GAY!
“Sex and love are different things.”
FINALLY! Someone who gets it!
Me: Awww, this'll be sweet~
Also me: *GETS KISS PLAYERS FLASHBACKS*
Beat me to it... Lol...
Time Brain
NO GOD- NO GOD PLEASE NO-!!!!
Where's the basics, McFeely?
@@tseliius NO, NO, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
@@cybersilver5816 Do you have any idea what you've done?!
"Whyyy are they smashing their mouths together?" - Strongarm, TRID, before she dug deep in the internet only to find... well...
and later kissed sideswipe
Really wish that Strongarm and Sideswipe end up together. I mean, there like so many hint...
@@syabilaazri7834 agree
Hello me from 1 year ago!
I love the relationship between Chromedome and Rewind and Tailgate and Cyclonus. The IDW MTMTE comic being so embracing of same sex relationships actually helped me feel more comfortable with being openly gay irl. I don't feel like I could thank James Roberts enough for what he wrote in MTMTE and Lost Light, it's awesome.
As a "social asexual" human and a huge Tansformer fan who especially admires Transformers relationships for this reason, I sincerely appreciate your comments and this video! Happy Valentines Day! :)
Right. I am right there with you! Is it weird that I use IDW s TFormers relationships to sort of explain asexuality to people? Lol
@@artistofcybertron Not at all! I've never come out to anybody close to me as being on the asexual spectrum, but if I ever did, I would also!
@@MechWomanWarrior15 Yeah some of my friends and most of my family don't understand it. So I use Transformers as an example sometimes. It works especially if you have nerdy friends lol
@@Soundwave._ Yeah. It is a very good example since I can hardly think of any other media that has taken that into account.
@@artistofcybertron Exactly. It's a shame that robots and aliens (and alien robots!) seem to be the best representation we currently get, but at least Transformers does it pretty well!
TFW2005: *wait, that's illegal*
you can't pick up chicks if your a tank
You could bich about anything couldn't you
?
Chef Excellence
You can if you’re Blitzwing or Warpath.
Chef Excellence “What are you talking about you can totally pick up chicks with a tank.”
I hope this starts a whole series of holiday themed specials. I can see it now:
- American Independence Day - The Basics on Freedom
- St. Patrick's Day - The Basics on Getting Drunk
- Octoberfest - The Basics on Getting Really Drunk
- Children's Day - The Basics on Annoying Kid-Appeal Characters
- International Talk Like a Pirate Day - The Basics on the Obscure Marvel UK Storyline "Space Pirates!"
- Australia Day - The Basics on Giant Robots Who Inexplicably Have an Australian Accent Despite Being From Another Planet
- National Day of Sweden - The Basics on Sweden
In my head cannon, Starscream and Skyfire were in a relationship before the war. When Skyfire was lost over earth, the trauma set Starscream on the path to become the Decepticon we all know. That was why Skyfire tried to work with Decepticons until he finally accepted that Starscream had changed.
Fictional transforming robots have better live life’s then me
Love*
Especially powerglide
Think about it this way, at least you're not caught up in a 4,000,000+ year war
Phanto5692 fair point
@@Phanto5692 good point that good point
If you don't think Optimus Prime is husbando material you need to see a psychiatrist.
from robot dad to robot daddy,
If I go to kaon for this I have no regrets
@@masonjones7777 No.
You're going to the Smelting Pit for this.
thats because he is robo jesus
The mother in tfp seems to agree
@ the smelting pit.
Ah, love was in the air..until taken offline by a cosmically powered Starscream.
Ah, the classic "offlined by a cosmically powered Starscream"
Cyclonus and tailgate an chromedome and rewind are my favourite couples
Rewind and Domey legit made me cry a few times in my reading of IDW's first continuity. Which I have you to thank for, for making it breeze to step into IDW's world and James Roberts' amazing writing making him one of if not my fav comic book writer. [Ian Flynn on Archie's Megaman before him]. Frankly all the work James did with the Lost Light crew was very believable and at times very heart breaking. Silverbolt and Blackarachnia where the first Transformers I knew where a couple I was a little too young/dense to notice with Tigertron and Airazor. Frankly I never got why people thought love or romance needs to be tied to procreation. I've always been a very love is love and if it happens it happens kind of guy.
ProfessM I would have to say out of most comics I have read, it showed a real relationship in a very classy and mature way.
Yep. Just like the video said, if Transformers can learn the values of justice or hate, they can definitely develop a desire for companionship or love.
Rewind and Domey broke my heart... when Rewind edits that video before his fight with Overlord... I was legit crushed. I miss MTMTE/LL. What an incredible run that was.
Same but with Tailgate and Cyclonus.
ProfessM James Roberts' writing seems good until the "Lost Light" series.
Sadly my favorite couple is also one of the most tragic...
Cliffjumper and Arcee from TFP.
Same!
*"Scrap him, I hardly know the guy"*
*Ouch*
What about Knock Out losing his SO Breakdown when he was killed by Arachnid and them possessed by Mechs leader.
@@insertname1845 *We are alone where ever we go on this rock Cliff.*
4:52 Elita one is not happy about this
Strongarm: Why are they smashing their mouths together?
That part literally made me laughed!!
I always found myself able to relate to Knockout form the Prime Series on a more personal level. I only wish that I too could look that good in steel belted radiance. Besides, having a doctor as a significant other is bound to have it's perks.😅
I knida wonder who introduced KO to steel-belted Radials in the first place. It's not like he can just walk into a store and buy a set. XD
Agreed, though I prefer Copper to Crimson... 😏
Warrior Maiden probably saw a billboard about it or something
That part about the Conjunx Endura is rather sweet. Many people today may go their entire lives without a significant other too.
It’s actually implied a few times here and there that transformers do have sex for pleasure. And in the bay films it’s implied that they do sexually reproduce, though it’s never explained how or why.
But I do agree that it’s silly to argue that they shouldn’t feel love if they can’t have sex. Asexual people do exist in the real world and can have deep romantic connections, so I don’t see why it would be so far fetched in science fiction.
Fanficitons love getting into detail with that so don't worry about it
You have opened a can of worms no one wanted opened.
Interesting.
But how do they have sex?
@@qweadd6987
Alien robotic genitals or some other form I'm not familiar with
You brought up a very interesting point that if these alien robots can wage war for millions of years, then having some fall in love isn't out of the question. As for my favorite Transformers couple, I'm going with BW Silverbolt and 'the dark poison of his heart' Blackarachnia. I'd also like to see more takes on Optimus and Elita-One's relationship in future shows, like what G1 and "Animated" were doing.
Oh, and Happy Valentines Day Chris!
Transformers has never been solidly science fiction. WIth its origins in children's entertainment, it has only ever been anthropomorphized fantasy. It's funny how many young men in the fandom seem to recoil at the notion of robots feeling love while never taking umbrage with the fact that these robots conversely feel rage - to a degree that they'd go to war. If I were to take a science fiction perspective on the universe, it makes far more sense that these beings would focus on singular connections with each other, as monogamous pairings make for evolutionary advantage. I know a lot of the fandom have invested in the fiction as a means to making sense of the world around them. That said, I don't understand why people can't afford room for people who aren't *exactly* like them to be represented as well. It's a big universe. Why not help everyone to feel like they belong in it?
Michael Bird it just doesnt feel logical to me, im all for romance in a lot of shows but it just doesnt feel like they quite hit the mark with transformers and monogamous relationships. The only way i could see it making some logical sense would be polyamorous relationships with nothing even slightly sexual like kissing. From an evolutionary standpoint monogamy wouldnt be needed for cybertronians
That I don't understand myself bird. But, we can appreciate the concept in fiction like this. Nice comment by the way
Lazulii How is it not logical? Transformers can learn abstract values such as justice and hate. It’s not a stretch at all that they would find a desire in companionship. Mind you, a desire for companionship/love isn’t strictly sexual-based. There is a benefit in companionship, just as much with the benefits of being part of a community.
Michael Bird I don't have a problem with that transformers could love, but only with idea of female transformers - it doesn't make any sense. And I'm interested only in versions, which is better done, like IDW, but BEFORE they put in more females than Arcee (she was OK, because she is effect of an experiment)
(and I don't like that they change this to be less serious than before, but it's off topic)
Even as a kid, I’ve never really cared if the character was human or not. If they’re the focus of your story, then why shouldn’t they be characterized as having the same emotionally spectrum as we do?
Every time I see the robots in love, my soul is healed.
I was extremely happy when MTMTE and the latter-day IDW books started exploring gender and romance between Transformers. And I was very charmed at seeing Cyclonus and Tailgate become such a cute couple.
I can’t express how much I love the relationship between chromedome and rewind. It’s so wonderfully written and adorable!
I don't know, I can't say I approve of a headmaster and a cassette being together. These mixed marriages never work out.
People complaining about Transformer romance in things like the comic now likely never saw a problem in G1, or Beast Wars. I saw a lot more incensed arguing about romance AFTER Rewind and Chromedome were revealed to be a couple.
I'm glad IDW got to have same-gender couples. I was so excited when I first realised when I read mtmte.
It fits with the story and they have real personality outside of gay so I see no problem
Even as a kid I thought that Transformers love was odd being that each side was Programmed for certian functions.
It warms my heart that James Roberts said the response was overwhelmingly positive to Chromedome and Rewind
TFP Ratchet x The Stuff He Needs
Such a tragic tale...
Bulkhead I NEEDED that
'most transformers go through lige without finding that special someone'
*Looks down at my hands* : maybe i am transformer
Simon Furman: Transformers don't have gender and can't fall in love.
Also Simon Furman: They all use male pronouns, have emotions, and also Sludge falls in love with a human WOMAN!
I don't think Furman ever said anything about them not falling in love though? Wasn't that a different writer for IDW who thought that? Also, in Steven Universe, The Gems look female and use female pronouns but Rebecca Sugar insists they're a genderless race too, but apparently that's fine.
(Not that Furman isn't still an idiot, because female transformers had already been established in the cartoon before he decided they didn't have gender and all looked male).
@@Troublethecat In Steven Universe, Sugar actually explained that the gem's gender presentation is based on her own experience as a nonbinary woman (i.e. she's ok with being addressed by feminine pronouns, but feels uncomfortable being actively treated as a cis woman), it was important to Sugar that the gems experience of being coded feminine, but not boxed in by the concept of binary gender, reflect how she would perceive herself.
It was Sludge who fell in love with a human not Slag.
@@sunnydong9069 That doesn't really dismiss my point, which is that people keep pointing to transformers using male pronouns in our language as the reason why transformers can't be a genderless race, when everyone is fine with genderless/one-gender races of non-humans that are coded as female. It seems kind of unfair to me.
@@Troublethecat Ah I see, that's a fair point. Still, I think there's some merit in examining our mental bias in assigning gender. Like, why when one decided to design a race of genderless aliens, one's mind defaulted to giving them one particular binary gender signifiers. Some examples might have well thought out reasons to make this choice, while some might be more cavalier about it.
This is a great take across a franchise which has had a lot of takes on the topic. Both interesting in the abstract, and really good at generally talking about "why" these emotions are part of the stories... as ever, really great. Thanks!
According to the background lore, Lugnut and Strika were consorts. I was rather perplexed that Lugnut would have any time outside of praising The Great And Glorious Megatron.
I get the feeling Megs topped both of them, maybe they met because of him?
@@coledewey3564 That would be so cute :3
Anyone who can be mad at robots in love has no soul and needs to take the stick out of their ass and trade it in for some imagination. I love seeing my sentient robots happy! SO SWEET!
Seeing a girl kissing Optimus
Don’t tell me getting another Gohan
Optimus (in the generation 1 cartoon) clearly knows how romance works unlike Goku in the early Dragon Ball series. That’s the best reply I could come up with after reading your comment.
Ashley Roberts
There’s a difference between a monkey and Wise Buddha
If it helps, the girl is supposed to be Marissa Faireborn (daughter of G.I. Joe's Flint and Lady Jaye, just drawn much looking younger).
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@Teisan Scarborough
honestly im ok with this because
because that one scene from J decker changed me allot
Gotta say, Chromey with Rewind and Cyclonus with Tailgate are my favorite pairings in transformers ever, mostly because they're so well written! The hardships they go through, the tragedies and the joy in just being near eachother is unlike any other transformers couple I've seen so far in transformers.
When he is in a gay relationship, the name "Tailgate" takes on whole new meanings.
@@Raziel312 *wheeze* Nice pun. I like to think if him as a dominant baby though x)
@@Raziel312 Well, with his partner's name being "Cyc-lonus" (Boob-lonus) I think they are even.
Sideburn chasing after red sports cars in RID 2001 was hilarious to watch every single time.
It's a strange but welcome surprise to see such good representation from Transformers of all places
Not gonna lie, Chromedome and Rewind, though rather odd to me at first, definately was a tearjerker when I read MTMTE. When Chromedome had to eject Rewind into space, I knew it wasn't gonna end well. Thank goodness for parallel universes, am I right?
Hot rod also was implied to be openly gay, i could see him locking manipulators with ultra magnus now. I mean they have a certain tension that is definitive of a love/hate gay relationship lol
Ken Gibson Yeah I don't know, I think by the end of Lost Light they were hinting more towards Magnus and Megatron, but you never know.
Chromedome did not have a healthy way of dealing with relationships, especially when they ended. First he'd drain part of his core Energon to leave at their memorial marker, then when he felt so grief-sticken he couldn't bear it anymore, he'd just have the whole relationship wiped from his memory banks. He did this so many times that the last time he tried to leave an Energon vial, he found out he had none to give anymore. He needed some serious primo counseling.
What a great pick me up! My wife and I thoroughly enjoyed this, being both avid Transformers collectors. Long live nerd love!!!!!
Thank you. Transformers is not a hard sci-fi show, so people should stop with the “they don’t sexually reproduce” argument. And FYI they might mate in some continuities. Wheelie had parents.
Hot Rod marry arcee!
Here's Hot Rod i'm curious as to who his parents are and how he came into existence (and which continuity's wheelie was it again?)
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Skids and Nautica. Even it wasn’t a real love they could be a cute couple.
AUGHHH MY HEART
Nonononono, nautica and brainstorm.
I vote for Skids and Charlene
I know shes not technically one, but this is very close to ship shipping
I think it was real but Nautica cut that part out of her to save herself the pain
Not gonna lie I was a little disappointed that you didn’t do “The voice” through the whole video, still loved it though
I think that's why I like the IDW comics so much. All of those interpersonal relationships helped add a level of depth to these characters. While not specifically romance related I always felt Megatron and Soundwave had a father/son sort of relationship in the IDW comics.
Awhhh 🥺
When I bring up my ships/pairings to my father (who grew up with the original show) he always said that Transformers can’t love each other and be in a relationship. (Or ‘make love’, cause that somehow got into the conversation one time-) I should show him this video.
That was a well handled Basics on a subject that some corners of the fandom seems to find reprehensible. That said, I’m glad I’m in the comments early so I can escape the vitriol that unfortunately feels inevitable...
Does anyone else feel like crying whenever seeing Seaspray and Alana together
What I like the most about G1 is how unintendedly (?) metaphorical and deep in can end up being sometimes
Human/flshy relationships with Cybertronian are !y favorite couple.
When you were talking about same gender relationships and how if most of cybertron was the same sex it would make sense, that gave me Steven Universe vibes for some reason.
You be suprise how time Steven Universe feel like you watching Transformers....one of them being how similiar Sari Sumdec with Steven Universe
@@syabilaazri7834 I agree. I have a feeling Steven Universe might have been inspired by Transformers.
5:20 I would love to see what would happen if Sideburn ever met TFP Knockout 😂
We already have a legacy knock out. We just need a legacy sideburn. Come on Hasbro.
You didn't mention the romance between Prime's Arcee and Cliffjumper! But happy Valentine's to all who have that significant other! Happy Friday to everyone else!
He did say there were far too many to list here
was that a relationship? she referred to him as her partner, but I always thought of it like a pair of police officers, not a romantic couple...
They were never too overt about it. Also, she seems to have had a similar partnership with Tailgate before Cliffjumper, which ended in a similar way. :(
@Yunita Fatikhasari only in the G1 movie. Afterwards she came to springer. Then headmasters and she's with chromedome ( I prefer springer x arcee )
@@sigurdgram She was way too cut up about Cliff's death to be just "police partners".
Cyclonus and tailgate is my favourite because they both are damaged as people and do hurt eachother but ultimately will do anything for eachother my favourite line from cyclonus is when him and whirl are discussing why they aren't together properly despite them all going to die he nonchalantly says tailgate will survive "because i'll split the world open and tear down the sky before i allow him to come to the slightest of harm"
That is my favorite scene. Whirl was seriously the voice of the audience.
Cheesy though.
As a gay man I was DREADING reading the comments
But you guys surprised me..l but then again this is a class channel so it makes sense the viewers are the same
Thanks Formers ❤️
Love makes total sense for the G1 cartoon at least. The very origins of the Cybertronians were rooted in how factory-manufactured machines developed not just mere sentience or sapience, but emotions. The emergence of emotions is usually the most defining event that separates a really advanced AI from something that's can truly be called alive. Though the expression of such emotions don't always have to resemble typical human emotions for a machine to be considered a living being. Take Data from Star Trek TNG for example.
Chromedome and Rewind might be the best example of a transformers relationship. Their story is so engaging and fun. Im not ashamed to admit i was very upset during the overlord incident on the lost light.
Cyclonus and Tailgate are my personal favorite couple. I legit almost had a heart attack when it seemed like Cyclonus was going to die protecting Tailgate in the hallway scene after Getaway set Tailgate up. I can't remember the exactly line but it was something to the effect of, "Goodbye little one". I was screaming!
Me too! I loved seeing Cyclonus go from an unfeeling loner to someone willing to risk his life for the one he loved, it was written so well! Although, Cyclonus's "I love you" to Tailgate when he thought he was saying goodbye at "cyberutopia" was heart-breaking.
Because of their relationship, its basically become impossible to view Cyclonus as a villain. He is forever the brooding ancient warrior with Tailgate, his life mate, forever at his side.❤❤
I love IDW Rewind and Cromedome's relationship with how Rewind is concerned about Chromedome's injecting himself over the centuries because of the grief he feels from the deaths of his previous loves. When Rewind died, and was later brought back from a duplicate Lost Light where things had gone differently, it was such a sweet moment when Chromedome sat down next to Rewind and wrapped an arm around him without even saying a word.
I love IDW's Transformers story arcs as a whole, I hope I get the chance to read the new story arc with any luck.
Being an asexual trans woman myself and having to accept that I'm more likely to be murdered than loved due to society's hatred of trans women and diversity in general then it does tend to hurt at having to accept that I'm likely to spend the reminder of my life alone, still I've got Transformers to enjoy so that's something.
Also IDW Arcee as well as Anode being trans themselves has been great, it's nice to have some positive representation for a change instead of the usual bigotry 'humour' from the insecure and the hateful.
Love is the right of all sentient beings.
Who doesn't like big gay robots
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Interspecies love always fascinated me and fun fact it also happens in animal life! I once heard that a giraffe fell in love with a wildebeest!
Let's be honest here, any being that can bang, will at some point try to bang
My relationship was offlined by a cosmically-powered Starscream.
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Arcee is like the Elizabeth Taylor of the Transformers.