EDENCOM Battleship "Thunderchild" - First Look and Overview | EVE Online
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- EDENCOM Battleship "Thunderchild" - First Look and Overview | EVE Online
As well as the frigate and cruiser ships EDENCOM have released a BRAND NEW battleship..... Thunderchild. This video we hope in it, have a good look around the hull, test out a few things and attempt some pve action (level 4 missions). We also find out just how the new Large Vorton Projector works against drones :P
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how can you NOT trigger concord in high sec with this thing ? Imagine shooting at a criminal in front of a gate lol ?
In Highsec if your safety is green you wont be able to shoot anything that gets you Concorded anyway. If its red then yes you might get concorded.
Named after the heroic Ironclad ship in H.G. Wells book The War of the Worlds. Which took on 3 Martian tripods, alone, in an effort to buy time for civilian ships to escape. It managed to take 2 down before the 3rd Martian melted it to the bottom of the sea... But despite paying the ultimate price, she achieved her goal, and saved thousands of Civilians.
A worthy name.
These types of videos where you go out with a hypothesis and then see how it actually works out are my favorite.
Youre just gonna kill the trigger on accident with this thing tho :thinking:
Yeah I forgot to mention that but a few of us tested them and that did happen
Ever since War of the Worlds, I love the name 'ThunderChild'.
There were ships of shapes and sizes, scattered all along the bay.....
They have to be part of a mixed fleet, I think. Designed to strain logistics at the risk of your own tackle. Or to damage fighter-bombers squadrons as part of a fleet? If the cruisers have a good lock speed, i could see them threatening stealth bombers. But that's incredibly niche.
Well the radius is like heavy missles and im preatty sure you can just tickle the bombers whit them....
eh, more like making a specific strike group that focus fires another clump of things.
it would be nice if we have an option to choose the primary (vortron) /secondary (conventional)weapon
Vorton
HMMMM....
Maybe the -25% range also applies to the lightning jump?
06:00 yeah, the drones. we both noticed the friendly fire issues of this thing a couple days ago. i figure long as you keep the hobgoblins on passive and shoot only nearby frigates they'll be worth their weight in gold...anything else and they're in danger of getting eaten alive by the vorton. (funny how the vorton won't friendly fire your wingmens' drones, eh?)
Best video. Thanks for being open and honest
Your welcome :) thanks for the nice comment
I wish I had a dollar for every time I thought I had a killer fit, awesome PVE, spec'd out great, then..... a real fight (sigh). Paradigm change.
I would love to see a Null.sec fight with those ships... It must introduce so much damage and chaos, that I can't see anything but the logi being overwhelmed. If 3 targets equals normal dps and you can chain 5-6 targets you are applying a LOT of damage across the enemy fleet, which will result in a lot of broadcast for reps. Than you should be able kill the target or a new target under cover of the mass-broadcasting
In this instance it reminds me of bomb damage syndrome but on a more consistant basis.
Much better than normal vids! Like it!
I definitly could those ship be used like pipe-bomb with some specific damage resistant friendly "pylones" used to propagate the DPS to ships far away from the fleet
I think this might be a gud sniper in PVP fleet battles... 10+ of this thing sniping enemy player fleet at 100km+ would be fun....
jump desy would end your day real quick
in PVP fleet that ship could be a pain in the ars
No it dont ... its dps is shit and its dont apply well and even more have lower dps when you are moving.... For any fleet composition strategi to deal whit that is same as being bombed or fight in citadel defenze field. You order people to broadcast for rep onli if you are primary or under 50% of tank and of course order people to set drones to pasive..... And since that fleet dps is laughable they dont kill anything 90% of shots chain into drones so basicli you have all the time in the world cause for them to actuali kill anybody they whud need 5 to 1 ratio of people ....
ITs USSELES!!
I went to buy the skill book for the EDENCOM Battleship but none on the market in jita, The vorton arc guidance skill was 3 billion , Seems pretty expensive. Great channel btw and video's, This TRIG and EDENCOM stuff is all new to me so trying to learn more about it.
20:38 - btw, what do you use for creating your videos? i just use nvidea's built in "shadowplay" for recording but have no ability to really edit afterwards except windows10 "photos" (i just trim, when needed although it lowers quality)
Obs for recording and Sony vegas for edits. Works really well
07:22 - APANAKE SOE!!! hehe...best mission station evar
also... the perfect ship u want to meet at 1v1 pvp
For sure lol
Why not use a single sentry? Also running havens with this could be pretty fun
Hmmm good point didnt think of that
Pretty ship, gives me Andromeda vibes (not necessarily the Ascendant itself, maybe another, hypothetical Systems Commonwealth ship).
Why do these new ships look Cylon?
looks like its time it rip out all the networked computers on our ships!
looks more like tesla truck cylons has curves.
Looks like a Klingon bird of prey from the front...
Reminds me of the sewing from starfox.
Was glad to see you on Sisi mass test, you even locked me up, I was in Machariel :) I just started to watch your videos the day before haha. The only thing I can think of this ship being useful is farm Angel refuges in HS to get an escalation for DED sites even tho it will be expensive :)
Ha ha I remember the machariel. Small world :P
To begin with I imagine these will be very expensive since there new but should drop in price fairly quick since there rather niche
a shaman ship that does chain lightning lol... I say just give them totems as well... xD
Well thanks for the up and your thoughts on how to utilise these (You have a new sub!) Style over substance with these I think, they most likely need the boost/nerf cycle magic working on them (early adopters beware). I just see them as a really easy way to get CONCORDED and as such are only for "easy" use in Nullsec. The tears when the new shiny gets popped by Concorde may be entertaining though I will stick to my Tempest/Vargur. 🚀😏
I can see a few have been popped already there is a killboard showing a thunder child being destroyed by two nergals :D they are deadly little things but still. someone is having a bad day
Yeah I think you tank one up, send it into the mix of enimy logi as they have to be close..ish to rep and boom you take out the fleets logi. It would especially be good against spider gang logi imo.
Problem with that is the fps is so low you would probably need to send a few of them in to achieve that.
Another way could be to have them mixed with the fleet and just randomly hitting ships causing everyone In the enemy fleet to wack the need reps button. This could cause confusion and mistakes for the logi but very gimmicky
From a standpoint of effective application this thing is only good in battles where people are close and bunched up. You send them in and everyone else pulls back. They might be more effective in packs or pairs. Other then that your tactical effectiveness is a narrow window.
maybe its a ship only designed to work best vs triglavians? though i dont know if the damage profile is optimmal for that either?
No it's not.
It's just story bull***
CCP is just trying to make them cool to make a injector and cash grab on playerbase.
Another low grab by CCP.
They fall lower and lower
imagine in highsec.... doing a mission and in a second someone decloacks near your targets........ outch... concord is coming..... seems a nice way to loose ships
The arc respects security settings.. if someone flashy decloaks near your target you will get limited engagement timer.
I don't see this as a pve ship though. You need a group of enemies in range to do decent dmg so any npc's that orbit far away or last few remaining gonna take looong to take down
@@Mic_Glow can you confirm? I would think this would arc to even cloaked ships. Much like a smartbomb would
I tested new edencom ships.
They are such a trash is unbelivable.
DOnt waste time/sp/energy on them.
There are several problems with edencom ships.
1. DPS is to small
2. Tracking mechanism is based on missiles mechanism( explosion radius + velocity)
3. You have no control over to who is hit
There is only 1 good use of them
Take only 2-3 those new ships with you for pvp fleet in order for people to make broadcast and confuse logi.
Another use is kill bomber fleets, but the cruisers have too low tracking...
In shield blob you can have 10-20% of those ships in fleet, they will weaken whole enemy fleet and logi attention will be spread, allowing for easier alpha/ breaking targets. In theory anyway. The range might be too small and having 20% more mainline dps/ tackle/ logi might be more useful... Very situational ship I guess.
I tested the boomchicken the day it came out and had level 4 skills with the new ones and in a level 4 it was abysmal. I was wondering when you’d find out in your video. 🤣. Mad props on the optimism. 👊🏻. It’ll be good with two more on your side and blap gate camps.
Now a hypothesis I have is that the Drifters and seekers/sleepers will swarm (invade) High Sec here soon and these boats will be key. Especially with their alpha potential. Since the Drifters cant use their DD’s/shield recharge against the Triglavians. The Triglavian owned systems will be safe (sorta like cyno jammers). So the consequences CCP talks about is not about stopping the Triglavians, but not siding with the Triglavians for the soon-to-be invasion. The High-Sec peeps gone need another way around them Drifter DD’s and I suspect these boats are it.
Oh, what I came to say at first was. Doing rock havens, make each individual SB orbit to gate at 20 on their own paths, that way the NPCs stay inside the haven.
Do these things when they get built have their special weapon already installed??
Hay matey, No the weapon system is a separate modual with their own BPC's
It's because it's a fleet ship, homie. Get 5-10 of those and engage an enemy fleet. Enjoy.
It worked. It showed how shite these ships are. Thank you
I hope this will come to eve echos sooner
It will need more than a year since Echo is a new game...And EVE Online is 16/17 years old... And also Mordu's ships is not in game yet, Even the Triglavian....And this ship is designed to encounter the Trigs ship, And because Trigs is not in game yet, So....You know
Station point defence solo versus fleet
Small gang vs large fleet ?
I'm going to use it to drop on fleets
yuck, ill stick to cruise missiles and sentery drones thanks :3
12:15 oh very nice. at least it arcs, although seriously weapon? we need to have a chat with the design engineers...probably stupid caldari
Why not equip Sentry Drones on it? That way they won't get in range to be hit by your main weapon.
wont fit at all ... only 25m² & 25mbit/s
If you take 4 of them into a rock haven it might work for pve, otherwise stuff spreads out and single target dps is abysmal
2 years later. I use stormbringers in rock havens, 5, they work. It's basically the same as my drone fleet yet I only have to point and click a couple times instead of cycle through. The ammo is expensive but the more you have on field less ammo is used since their tank isn't besting the applied dmgs. I am curious now what it'll be like with the thunderchild. I was 150 days from maxing all agnostic gunnery skills but found out they have no effect on vortons, I can cut that out and max level edencom bs 5 and the vorton to go with it. I'm thinking it will be really easy, but I worry about dread spawns and warping. But them again the stormbringers tank is so massive I might only have to align out then stop for them. Anyway, here's to new goals for the year.
Cheers, flysafe. Maybe I'll come back and hash out my experience.
So far, edencom is NOT for newbros as the risk to isk isn't worth it if inexperienced or lacking in skills. But for not newbros, it's nice.
03:00 ERMAGURD TEH TRAYYYYLR
How the hell do I get the skills to fly these things. they're not on the markets!
you can get them from the DED LP store Not many people getting the skillbooks though as not many want to fly these ships
You left your med on for like 5 mins and wasn't moving
Yeah when im recording I tend to make a few silly mistakes because im not concentrating enough :P
Appreciate the video, answered alot of questions I ha8.
18:30 - my fit is more pvp high sec oriented. there's major threats via PIRAT splinter groups going after solo owned structures (they rampaged through my area just before the great loot drop - abandoned state) with their miniblob of nestors/leshaks. if this can pressure their cap booster/spider tank (no energy xfer btw) set up enough to have them go elsewhere for lower hanging fruit that would be worth every penny
as for the smaller edencoms. i'm sure the cruiser class would be great for dealing with the emerging conduit triglavians with their penchant for mobbing the player within 10km
pressuring enemy logi. absolutely will rule against that. and triglavians and ♦ blood raider will get brutalized by this. ofc, there's no way in hell i'm bringing these puppies to a FOB bash
It didn't help that you brought zero application with a weapon that's basically rage torps but I can't see it helping much...the single target dps is too low for pve and it seems you'll damage your own fleet mates as often as the enemy in pvp....the cruiser needs 300 dps and the BS 700 before these are worth the hassle/sp over normal weapons or smartbombs...
So the whole line of ships appear to be worthless. Or so situational and limited that they basically worthless.
the frig and cruiser are ok. High sec combat sites and up to lvl 3 missions (not the fastest things at running them mind) are doable in both and in certain situations work really well but that's about it tbh
For pve, sorta. If you take a couple of them into a haven they might work like remote smartbombs.
For pvp, 1v1 absolute garbage, but for fleet fights it might be awesome. Not as main dps but I can see it as a weaken enemy fleet/ welp drones/ confuse logi thing.
i.imgur.com/UOIIXSF.jpg
whoa. 132km optimal for the tech2 snipe ammo. and i'm only lvl3 skills so far. training arc extension, power amp, large vort spec, and BS 4.
04:30 - HRM...yeah, ofc. i'm so not a caldari player, totally forget about low slot shield mods for passive regen. how cap stable is that fit tho? oh, and you really need to turn off your drone dps for an accurate gauge of damage.
with electropunch my dps is 340 with alpha of 2987 (oh, did you notice that none of the 'turret' implants help at all? only one that had any effect was the WU-1005...which was quite nice since the requirements are pretty high)
i could see these working on the back line just harrasing clumps in pvp maybe making logi ships work harder. But the lack od dps isnt great. Though if they made the range for the arcing greater that could work and just sheer numbers them. Cant logi everyone.
5:18 thats not how it works imo, for battleships ya maybe but the damage falls off quite a bit for each extra target hit the dps is shit when attacking bc, cruisers, destroyers, frigs anyone who says it gets more damage per target hit is straight up lying the new ships and weapons are not worth wasting 10+ million sp
Not sure how true that is. It will never do more damage per target but I have been shooting the same npc ships at the same time and took them all out at the same time. Check the first video I did you can see it chaining and doing the same damage to both ships
I much prefer the gray skin
Good video. This ship is an absolute gimmick though.
that was awsome
It looks Caldari.
Well, I take your advise and stop training for these ships because there is simply no use for them. What a same for such a new and good looking ship line.
honestly I have done the same. Ive got the frig trained up a bit but that's only really to mess with gankers :P Sit in a gank system and when people go red get shots on and help save people. Only use right now I can think of lol
Yeah i just stopped training also. These ships were not well thought out.
The wealthy will train them and test them in Abyss soon. I think that's where they're going to shine. Particularly the Frigates for 3-mans and the Cruiser for solo T4 and below. Depends on how much dmg you can squeeze out of it once you bling it. The sheer number of mid slots will easily make them extremely tough to kill and highly resistant to neuts when blinged. We just need T2/Faction Highs and Lows for it and stacking up as much dmg lows as possible. Then we need to test their AOE DPS clear speed in Abyss T3 and up and see which weather types they handle easily. Maybe the Gila will finally have some competition besides 3-man Hawks.
i like your content , i gonna subscribed
I don't think the new color scheme really fits the aesthetic of the ships themselves.
It looks like STARFOX 🤔🤨
It needs range.
yeah but its called thunderchild
now give ze ship a marauder xd
Vorton projectors are the worst mechanic introduce in EVE since fozzy sov. They make no sense, they hit your allies, your own drones, and whatever other schmuck happens to be near. They do practically no DPS. They take an entire new subset of support skills to function, unlike Trig weapons which work off your existing gunnery skills. The ships have no role bonus, so they're horrendously underpowered. The ammunition costs nearly 20,000isk per shot, so you may as well be lobbing dead space hardeners at the enemy. Everything about Vorton projectors and the ships using them screws you over. You actually lose something when fitting them. EDENCOM is dead on arrival.
That is... Not a good ship lol. Plus it's lowsec nullsec drop. So..no thx
Not really too interesting anymore. I think im about done with Eve, Ill just dock my stuff up in Asakai and play X4 instead! Work smart, not hard.
It will get owned by the trigs in a future patch and we will own all your stuff , alternatively you can contract me the lot .
You have no cap, def a messed up pve fit.
Its cap stable with the microwarp off and nearly 4 mins with it on. more than enough cap for level 4's where I know there is no neuting
wow.. this ship is trash haha. cant imagine a useful role this thing can fill. no wonder no one ever uses it