NES frontloader composite upgrade mod, and adding expansion audio

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  • čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
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    Taking a close look at the composite video signals on the NES frontloader, and doing some super simple mods to improve the video output. All we need is a 75ohm resistor, a 2N2222 transistor, a 1nF capacitor (or there abouts) and a bit of wire. We'll also do the Famicom expansion audio mod while we're at it.
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    Composite mod schematic: / discord
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    0:00 Intro
    1:17 Disassembly (and hidden surprises)
    5:04 Scoping it out
    9:05 Composite mod part 1
    16:18 Testing our mods so far
    17:39 Composite mod part 2
    20:20 Final results
    20:55 Dual mono mod
    22:34 Why no stereo mod?
    24:10 Expansion audio mod
    26:37 Expansion audio test (on PAL)
    28:43 Future plans
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    Thanks for watching!
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Komentáře • 34

  • @somanymods
    @somanymods Před 10 dny +1

    Thanks for this video. Just did the expansion audio mod to my NTSC NES, akumajou densetsu sounds amazing, but I'm not sure I care about any of the other games with expansion audio, still pretty cool to hear an NES sound like that.

  • @vk3hau
    @vk3hau Před 3 měsíci +3

    Even in Australia the spiders like the nes 😄😄

  • @jandjrandr
    @jandjrandr Před 2 měsíci +1

    Very nice. I never knew that expansion audio just needed a resistor between two pins to be activated on the NES. You would think the NES cartridge would just do this mod internally or with a switch.

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  Před 2 měsíci

      Technically the cartridge is generating the expansion audio internally but there's no connection from the cartridge port to the audio circuit. The resistor is needed to connect the expansion audio circuit (which only runs to the expansion port on the bottom) to the cartridge pin

  • @copperdragon9286
    @copperdragon9286 Před 3 měsíci +8

    It is good that you did not install an RGB mod, as my future PPUdigitizer for lumacode will probably again blow everything else out of the water ;-) But it will take quite some more time to get this done as the PPU is really fiendishly complex.

    • @TharkysOlafson
      @TharkysOlafson Před 3 měsíci +4

      You've had an hour, is it done yet? 🤣

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Oooooooo 😎😎

    • @ronpalmer1371
      @ronpalmer1371 Před 2 měsíci

      @@TheRetroChannel
      Hi, I’ve watched a lot of your snes repair videos and learned a lot thank you, but I’m pulling my hair out with a few problems, would it be okay to ask your opinion here in this comment section ?

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  Před 2 měsíci

      @ronpalmer1371 feel free. If it is SNES related you're better off putting a comment on the SNES repair video. If I don't know the answer, somebody else may come across it. Otherwise there's a link to my discord in the video description

    • @ronpalmer1371
      @ronpalmer1371 Před 2 měsíci

      @@TheRetroChannel
      Thank you so much,
      One snes works perfectly except it will only play half the games I own (all the games work on another snes) cart slot is spotless and it’s been recapped. Burn in test shows no faults.
      Second snes has perfect video but sound is awful (sounds a bit like a blown speaker sounds) it’s fully recapped and no visible signs of a problem. Burn in cartridge shows no faults.
      Last one shows no signal on TV screen, cart slot cleaned and tested for continuity from rear to slot, question with this one is would it be worthwhile recapping or do caps not cause a no signal black screen ? Is there normally a first thing to check / replace ?
      I know it’s asking a lot to diagnose without the item in front of you so I’m only after a very brief opinion, I’ve spent so many hours on CZcams and other forums. What I’ve learned is people like yourself with real know how are few and far between. Again, thank you for any advice, regards Ron

  • @tspawn35
    @tspawn35 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Having dual mono is the best for the nes. Otherwise you end up with only one speaker playing the audio. I had to do fun things like get a mono single plug to dual audio ports. Both as an adapter and as a complete cable.

  • @mk500
    @mk500 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I really enjoyed this one; even though I don’t have an NES. Nice, clean mod.

  • @herbertwongsanimations6266
    @herbertwongsanimations6266 Před 3 měsíci

    I was expecting an animated spider to leap at the screen when the lid came off. 😄

  • @robbyxp1
    @robbyxp1 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great video, as always. Great reference info on the composite signal.

  • @CoolDudeClem
    @CoolDudeClem Před 3 měsíci +1

    If the adding the support for expansion audio is so easy to do, just by adding ONE resistor, it puzzles me WHY Nintendo didn't include that in the NES from the start.

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  Před 3 měsíci

      Looks like they intended to support it, but only from the expansion port on the bottom and not the cartridge port. As they never ended up using that port, the circuit remained unused until carts like the everdrive added support for it using an unused pin on the regular cart connector. The resistor just connects that unused pin to the rest of the expansion audio circuit

  • @ray73864
    @ray73864 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Mitsumi vs Alps for the RF modulator.
    Funny thing is, I have an NES here at home (PAL region since i'm here in Western Australia) where Console 5 was missing a capacitor.
    They had me take screenshots and everything as the layout was slightly different to all other RF modulators they listed.

  • @sweetlilmre
    @sweetlilmre Před 3 měsíci

    Excellent video signal breakdown on the scope, thank you! Your content always rocks 😊

  • @CygnusTM
    @CygnusTM Před 3 měsíci +2

    The SMB music sounded too fast to my American ears. Is that due to some kind of PAL/NYSC ROM mismatch?

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yeah, Nintendo did "fix" most games for PAL, otherwise they would run way too slow. Although I guess they didn't bother getting it exact, just close enough

  • @gsestream
    @gsestream Před 3 měsíci

    mister fpga with hdmi ftw, NES purrproves.

  • @elizaszilagyi
    @elizaszilagyi Před 2 měsíci

    What kind of mic are you using? Sounds good enough.

  • @Ragnar8504
    @Ragnar8504 Před 3 měsíci

    I wonder what value the original SMD capacitor was - it looks like it went from the video output to ground, just like the 1 nF you added.

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  Před 3 měsíci

      Possibly. My other NES didn't have that SMD cap there so I didn't want to focus too much on it, easier to the remove everything and start fresh

  • @kenny9648
    @kenny9648 Před měsícem

    Is the japanese audio of Castelvania III in the code of the american cartridge? I thought that sound was only possible due to the VRC6 chip. I‘m confused. 🤔

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  Před měsícem +1

      The everdrive emulates the VRC6 chip and outputs the expansion audio on one of the unused cartridge pins. The resistor connects that unused pin to the internal audio circuit

  • @wardrich
    @wardrich Před 2 dny

    Hold up - all we need to do on NTSC for expanded audio is bridge a couple pins with a resistor? The expanded audio will pipe through the regular ol' output jacks as usual?

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  Před 2 dny +1

      Yes, assuming you're using an everdrive

    • @wardrich
      @wardrich Před 2 dny +1

      @@TheRetroChannel indeed! N8 Pro. I'll have to give this one a go! I wish getting RGB out was that easy 🤣

  • @shangrilai1990
    @shangrilai1990 Před 3 měsíci +2

    🍪