Nintendo NERFED Bagging in Wave 6... | Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2023
- Bagging got nerfed in Wave 6! Is it still viable? Is it a good strategy? How does it compare to frontrunning?
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The final wave of the booster course pass just released, with new tracks, new shortcuts, and new characters. This is my first time using Funky Kong, Diddy Kong, Pauline, and Peachette online in worldwides. Playing on the courses Tour Rome Avanti, GCN DK Mountain, Wii Daisy Circuit, Piranha Plant Cove, Tour Madrid Drive, 3DS Rosalina's Ice World, SNES Bowser's Castle 3, and Wii Rainbow Road.
Bagging: waiting near last place for good items (bullet bill, shock/lightning, star, golden mushroom, mushrooms) and using them to make a comeback. This lets you get to 10 coins and stay away from attack items, and you can potentially dodge the shock or do item smuggling. - Hry
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I dont even play this game but your commentary and the fact you are clearly having a grand old time playing this game is just so refreshing and wholesome. Love your videos :)
Same i never ever had a switch in the 1st place i just randomly fell on a video and kept watching since
@@CyberSKAMSame lmao
I have a switch and this guy helped me SO MICH
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i play mkwii because i dont have a switch
Speaking of bagging, you know a shock is coming when you have a Bullet Bill behind a golden mushroom.
Really?
@Kakkemans It's a joke. You're forced to use the Golden Mushroom until it runs out, it doesn't protect you, and the shock will delete your bullet bill.
The joke being that it always comes at the worst time for you.
I feel this
You know it's terrible when you click the bill but someone shocked 0.1 nanoseconds before you clicked it
Technically true, because it's a pretty good sign that the round is out of bills which means the next bill will be a shock.
If you ever mention bagging around shortcat you will enter a 5 minute unskippable cutscene where shortcat lectures you about literally every single intricacy about bagging
Some people in the comments say bagging is superior they think its cheating but actually frontrunning on ceese land bagging is better because on some tracks its just a more viable strategy okay the shock right here is a bullet extension acceleration is not the best stat it is mini turbo and speed okay your speed is for comeback on frontrunning okay lets do some baggi
On one hand, yeah, bagging requires knowing how far back you can get away with being and how to take shortcuts and time shit, and the comebacks are nice. On the other, it really is hard to resist being all, “Come on! It’s a RACE! A RACE! Have you ever heard of ‘em?!”
It's more than just a race, it's a death race! 😂
That aside, bagging and frontrunning are just names, in the end the point is you gotta trade off placement for item rolls sometimes. Well, I agree it looks better if people are actually moving though, good that now bagging is nerfed in a way that discourages just waiting. 😆
Yeah that's why I am in favor of nerfing bagging. I only ever argue against people who claim something about the luck/skill involved in bagging, because that is objective. If you dislike bagging because you just don't like it, that's completely fair!
Yo, don’t curse.
@@nixgamingchannel2708it’s the internet
@@nixgamingchannel2708the curse word doesn’t make sense so it’s probably a mistarñke
12:25 might be the most insane trick ive ever seen 😂 you literally kicked in to a pool shot and knocked them both off the map
😂
So what they nerfed was not bagging, but item chaining by stopping.
When I saw everyone over-reacting over the bagging nerf I though I was the one going insane. It was pretty oubvious that they were nerfing stopping at item boxes, not bagging as a whole. Like, just go slowly and stay in the back instead of stopping/going backwards lol
I'm more of a fan of this new bagging strategy than sitting on one item set all day. Also, congrats on hitting 200k❤
Thank you!! Yeah i think nintendo didn't really try to nerf bagging much, they just tried to stop people from having a party at the first item set instead of driving forward
@ShroomlessShortcat, at 3:31, InHughman was me. I played against you in this video.
@@Shortcat321having double item is the root of bagging problem, in single item scenario bagging almost non existent
Congrats on 200k Shortcat!!! I really really love your videos, and you’re what inspired me to finally give making videos a try too! 😊 so thank you!
I kinda found another bullet extension. On N64 Choco Mountain, use your Bullet right after the last item set. I found this on accident. (Totally not with the help of custom items, i would never!😅)
I forgor to add. This can be used for 150cc and 200cc, but use the bullet on 200cc in between the first and the second rock-falling section.
Great tip! You can actually do it earlier on 150cc (i forgot exactly how much earlier, but it's near the 2 boulders) since the extension zone is MASSIVE. Basically there is a huge area before and after the last item set where using the bullet will still give you the full extension
@@Shortcat321 I know. But when I'm using the Bullet near the rocks it won't stop before the first item set, while if you use your Bullet right after the last item set, it will go all the way until the straight path into the tunnel.
There's also 2 i found accidentaly, on dolphin shoals and sky garden. For dolphin shoals use it at the finish line and it will go for 12 seconds, really good. And for sky garden, use it at the first item box set, it's not that good, but at least it goes longer than a normal bullet
Love the amount of long form videos we’re getting from this update
What gave bagging a bad look was when no one was moving forward at first item set and nintendo removed exactly that. They know how to balance their game it seems...
I think the only bad thing about this change is getting used to not using all three triple mushrooms into item boxes you just used since you'll probably end up pulling a green or something in its place.
200k! Congrats shortcat. I just recently started watching your stuff I’m really enjoying the live commentary!
200k subscribers 🎉
I started watching you at around 30 - 40k subs, and now you have 200k! I love your videos, your commentary is awesome and your tutorials are awesome!
Congrats at 200k subs shortcat u deserve it!
I do find it interesting that this bagging nerf decreases the average number of shocks per race on the notorious bagging tracks cuz less good items get cycled.
I think bagging doesnt really work well after the patch, but i think it's still fully possible to play in the back and capitalising with a comeback
I love both of your channels. The way you explain things is just so helpful and something that nobody else does.
Thank you for posting this during my lunch break at school, it honestly really makes my day. Congrats on 200k🎉!
Congrats on 200k subs! You completely deserve it!
What if you do the stopping and reversing way before the item set so that by the time you reach the item set, you’re not technically stopped or reversed, you’re just going while being behind so you’ll get good items?🤔
Yeah, that's called being bad at a video game.
Yeah, there seems to be a set distance the game counts as stopping at an item set, for example at cheese land you reverse and hang around the finish line instead of going straight to the item boxes.
You wait for someone to front run then you can grab two boxes
This is essentially the form bagging is going to have to take on after the update. The major nerf comes from the fact that you can’t sit on item boxes which used to allow you to roll up to 4+ powerful items in a single set and have a greater chance of pulling invincibility items or shocks. It’s just a matter of lowering the density of good items that a bagger can roll in a race
@@TheTundraTerrorYep
DK mountain has so few mushroom spots you have to use the mushroom whenever there is a large turn or a straight. Which might make it good but not in a regular sense because you are always going to be either be doing shortcuts or boosting. There is 0 down time if you use this method
Congratulations on 200k!!! 🎉🎉🎉 Rooting for your channel's growth!! 📈 Always looking forward to your videos ❤
At this point, a video for how to be a pro bagger is coming soon isn't it 😂 though that'd probably come after a tracks guide compilation 😆
Congrats on 200k subscribers! ❤❤
1:44 We may not have gotten an official yellowbrick and Shortcat collab but seeing him in shortcat’s lobby is good enough for me!
The two best mario kart CZcamsrs
i was just looking for a competitive mk8d guide but now i’m obsessed with watching shortcat videos lol. i only really keep up with competitive smash ultimate but it’s very fascinating to watch a pro mario kart player and learning more about the meta and strategies. love the commentary on these videos, keep it up
This is a really good video, thank you for doing this.
I think your stance on bagging has been pretty clear from your videos, so I assume people got the wrong idea from your shorts. I was anti-bagging at the start too, but after actually trying it out as you suggested, I've realized that it's so essential for making comebacks, or just securing an early lead.
I'm still not sure how effective this nerf will turn out to be, but it's a good change nonetheless. Looking forward to the future of this game!
“Whoops i got heated there” that was like the most chill way of being heated only something shortcat could do.
i love ur videos shortcat i like how you speak nonstop even during races and dont get distracted... mk8d god....
CONGRATULATIONS ON 200k!!
Congrats on 200K! 🥳
Your commentary gives a lot of life to the gameplay. It's clear that you enjoy this game way too much, just like the rest of us.
On that note, a suggestion for a "playing with max (stat)" video: Traction. Baby Peach/Baby Daisy with Tanuki Kart, Monster Tyres and either Flower or Cloud Glider is honesty kind of great on tracks like Neo Bowser City and GBA Ice Land. You could even swap in GLA Tyres for the best combined Handling/Traction spread in the game.
Maybe Peachette has a smaller hurtbox than the other characters with those stats? Or maybe it's because she's a dlc character who is still top tier?
*hitbox 😂😂😂
@@SweetMelaninnhurtbox is for incoming damage hitbox is for damage dealing.
@answering248 Oh, never heard of that before. I honestly just thought they mistyped. Thanks for educating me
I wish every youtube comment thread was this polite
@@Shortcat321 one thread at a time :)
Congrats on 200K 🎉🗣️🙏🏾❤️
fuxking banger as usual, your commentary is always so fun i dont get bored
that point about frontrunning on cheeseland is brilliant! getting first off a frontrun on cheeseland is just as lucky as getting a first off bagging on (for example) waluigi pinball, but understanding that nuance requires experience that noobs just don't have yet. very well said shortcat.
200,000 subscribers that is a lot of people congratulations short cat 🎉😊
Congrats on 200k man!
Shortcat is the only Mario Kart CZcamsr I watch and I’ve been playing for a long time, keep up the good work 🎉
Congrats on 200 k! 🎉
I like how the tone of his voice never changed and he finished with
*sigh* got heated there
😂😂😂 love the content
Congrats on 200k subs👍
Big 200k congrats man
Congrats on 200k!
GG ON 200K SUBS
I remember when i first tried bagging, i SUCKED and was very fixed on running, but ur vids helped me find out HOW to bag. Thx Shortcat, love ur vids!!!!
CONGRATS ON 200K!!!❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
So for the boomerang throws at 13:58... you threw it once to get rid of a red shell behind you, and then you threw it a second time at the end of the race.
But it never returned.
And that has happened to me. Twice. I have no idea why it happens and I can't replicate it, because of this I'm certain it's a new bug.
got superhorned so it was gone
I have never played a single mario or nintendo game in my life but i love these videos. Keep up the bagging👍👍
Congrats on 200k man
Great video as always!
Congrats on 200k :)
Shortcat, You should try this combo: Morton on the Varmint Bike with Roller Wheels and Cloud Parachute. It's surprisingly good and pretty fun to play with.
Congrats on 201k Subs!! 👏 👏
almost the entire video you were like "🤓☝"
Hi shortcat! Did you know that you are my favorite youtube right now! I love watching your videos every night :)
One thing I feel like you never really explained is how you're so good at motion glidering! You always have it on online so you don't have to pause and switch during matches but how do you do this, are your hands just very still!? or, you did say that you use a n64 controller and I assume that may not have motion controls, so then are you using the d-pad and a claw grip?
Thanks for the video!
-Nikita
Hi ShortCat !
I love your videos and I have a stupid question to ask you : Is Cat Cruiser the new meta ? Since it has the exact same stats as Teddybuggy except that Cat Cruiser has more invicibility ?
Also sorry if I'm English isn't very good, it's not my mothertongue !
Keep up the great content !!
This dude doesn't miss, every video is so good
7:52 Peachette is adorable so I can see her becoming a fan favorite plus her being the most viable character based on her stats. Also Congrats on 200K!
I love bagging in all his ways, every part is beautiful
Congrats for the 200k shortcat
From my own testings and findings: If you stop before the first item set on most bagging tracks and let the distance to players grow for 5-8sec. try to grab two different item boxes and don't back into them! Hover around 12-9th place chaining your items till the middle of lap two on most bagging tracks (so far for me bagging has worked out best on mario circuit 3, royal raceway, yohsi valley and sky garden I uploaded a short vid on my channel earlier I just stitched raw clips together and got amazing luck to say the least!) (my avarage lobby vr is usually anywhere from 8-11k)
Edit: CONGRATULATIONS FOR 200K! Amazing to see you smash these milestones man! Just keep em videos coming! 😁
Congrats on 200k shortcat
GG ON 200K!
I think a chart showing every track, and where it falls on the bagging/frontrunning spectrum would be super cool
Do you have a video where you list the best tracks to bag and frontrun? Tysm for your content i have been enjoying it and subscribed recently!
Yooooo is that yellowbrik at 1:43😂😂 unsuspected collab
I been watching your channel since wave 5 and I decided to use my siblings switch to play online and I got to 2130 vr in a few days!
200KAT!! Congrats on the milestone!! Been watching your videos since around September and they’re always been a joy to see :3 On bagging though, I was never the best at it, I still thought it was pretty fun, but I think it’s nerf was needed since like you say a lot; it’s pretty bad for the game, namely the online space. I just wish they made the nerf much more detrimental for the strat, as I feel like they definitely could’ve handled the needed nerf much better :P
So couple questions here on bagging I feel like the video didn't cover. Not sure if you felt it was worth it or not or if it's just too technically complicated but here goes:
1) What happens if you get hit in font of an item box you didn't slow down for. Do you still get hit with the nerf? What about if you get nailed on top of the item boxes and grab 2 while in the middle of a recovery?
2) Does bagging still work as it used to if you hit a different or 2 different item boxes after you slow down and speed burst through the item set? Do the odds get better if you aim for different boxes after you have slowed down or reversed if you hit different boxes? Or it is just the same odds all around?
3) Do these new nerfs only work for lower place values? Or could you abuse this new system in first place to potentially bag to avoid a coin?
Even if the bagging is nerfed you just have to plan your bagging location better to avoid running into the trigger for the worst item pull. So all this update solves is those problem tracks where everyone is competing for last place right as the race starts which is an awful experience.
CONGRATS ON 200K WOOOOHOOO🎉🎉🎉
thank you so much i watched this video before i did my exam day, got graded A+ in geometry and maths
thank you so much❤
The nerf to baggin is more noticeable when you start reversing immediately at the start of a race until you hit item boxes.
I used to do that when playing with family, so I noticed the change right away with the update.
And I never did this for bagging itself, I actually never knew or thought about it being a thing.
I just did it for an extra challenge when playing locally with friends or family since we always played with CPU difficulty on Easy or Normal.
Great vid!!! Keep it up!!!🎉🎉
congrats on 200k
@Shortcat do you think that high speed low acceleration karts will be more optimal now, due to the bagging change?
Thank you shortcat for explaining bagging on DKM, i find a lot of casual players who only get better through worldwide matchmaking instead of looking at lounge or clan wars think that bagging has zero skill at all, when that's very obviously not the case
Congrats to 200000 subs!
Out of curiosity, what are some of the tracks you _should_ bag? I know of Cheese Land, GBA Mario Circuit, Dry Dry Desert, Riverside Park, Baby Park, Sunset Wilds, Rock Rock Mountain, Mario Circuit 3, Snow Land and Yoshi Circuit off the top of my head. Any other recommended ones?
These videos have become an unexpected source of comfort for me
Likely the patch just takes into account how long you've been accelerating before you touched the item block, just don't accelerate at all at the start of the map and then speed into a block instead of waiting for it to spawn at the block.
... Just tested it and it works.
I would have thought it just saves from which item set the last item you got was from and when you get another from the same item set it gimps the item selection.
Video Idea? Maybe now that every single track is out you could make a tier list ranking every track.
man u just want to tell you that ur videos make my day and I live ur content, ty very much for all the content🫶🏼
What happens if you reverse into a box in 1st place will you get a mushroom banana or green shell??
If you play SSBU I think content like this would be awesome! A mix of commentary while playing people and shorts with tips and tricks
from what i understand about the changes, isn’t it from the same box? would choosing a different box at the same set not achieve the same effect as the old bagging? idk i think i misunderstood something lol
as far as I understood it, no, it counts the whole item set, not just a specific box
Yeah it applies to the whole item set. However, some item sets don't count as item sets. Moving items each count as their own set, and i believe the first set on donut plains 3 (and any similar item groups where you can hit 2 single item boxes to get 2 items) all count as a separate set for each box
@@Deoix9877 ah i see thank you
A new shortcat video lets go
Just got one of your "Can I win after waiting X seconds" videos recommended. Might need to retry that challenge now that bagging has been nerfed
Wait a minute, I just remebered Nintendo removes videos for copyright infringement. I'm impressed that your videos haven't been taken down yet.
Someone suggested to me on my last comment to play on regionals to have more variety of players with my low 1300 rank. What I learned is strategy and execution matters a lot.
For example, I got destroyed on lap 1 in Cheese Land, then got good itens on lap 2, but saved a star and 3 mushrooms for lap 3. I got first because I did all the cheese land shortcut and beat 30k players
With my first position at the start of the next race, I decided to front run. I got third because the 30k players are more skilled to make better lines and take more riskier shortcut. Even being on a good bagging track, the best option to me was maintaining my 3rd place.
Concluding, what happens to make front running and bagging important is how annoying the middle pack is. I know some players who hate mario kart 8 because "it's too item based" , but I think what they really wanted to say is that being in the middle pack is the worst feeling ever, and I agree with that.
Mario kart 7 and 8 and 8DX(after playing 10 hours, I think 8DX wave 4 onwards is very different from 8 vanilla) are the only games I played online. However, I remember that the middle pack in 7 isn't very annoying, maybe because having less player in a match.
The reason why bagging is a skills, you still have to take good lines, on top of knowing when, how, and where to use your items for each stage and situations you get put in.
Requiring skill to use doesn't automatically mean it fits the gameplay, the same way as some ultra shortcuts in Mario Kart Wii being hard to use doesn't make them good for online play. Intentionally trying to play bad and slow to cheese the best odds of winning a _race_ clearly subverts the point of items to make comebacks feasible, not _more likely_ than winning by racing well the whole time.
@@Chicky_LumpsThere’s very few tracks in this game where you’re more likely to win by bagging than by front running. Hell, frontrunning is such a huge advantage since you stay away from the crowd of items and are in a relatively safe position. Bagging requires knowledge of when/how to use items most effectively and understanding how to actually catch up while avoiding all of the items in the middle, and is much harder than it seems to pull off, and with the new update especially front running is the best strategy to pull off.
@Chicky_Lumps that's a fair opinion but is also extremely subjective as it draws the line where lots of people wouldn't, for bagging. Ultra shortcuts are literally a glitch where you trick the game's checkpoint system into thinking you completed a lap, when you did not actually hit all the checkpoints.
honestly i love front running its just so much more fun to me
also pauline being upside down on the minimap at 25:30 is funny
Probably because that's how the game is meant to be played.
As someone who has been waiting for an update like this for a long time, I can really appreciate the fact that despite the nerf, bagging is still a viable strategy. I much prefer it in this state.
In the previous video you said you had an idea to nerf bagging in a more healty way than nintendo did. What was it?
The boomerang probably got destroyed before it returned preventing you from using it again (it has happend to me and ive seen it happen to others where a person blocked a boomerang with a boomerang of their own that still had throws left and they destroyed each other)
At 3:33 the peachete stole your star out of your super 8 (I forgot what it is called) can you make a video about this
Shortcat is a cool guy. I appreciate this greatly.
There is a bullet extention on DK mountain on the mountain shortcut with the ramp