An NHL Logo Mystery That Is Exclusively English
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- čas přidán 31. 03. 2024
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The Quebec Nordiques are a team that lives on in infamy now. Any hopes of them returning are now up to an English panel of GMs and Gary Bettman, so good luck selling that concept. The designer of the logo isn't necessarily a mystery, but the answers are all locked behind Quebec French.
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If there's any Quebecers like me watching this who grew up in the Gaspé Peninsula , we were always told the inspiration for the logo was Percé Rock (Rocher Percé), which is the world's biggest natural arch way over water, and synonymous with rugged outdoors of Quebec.
Our narrator has been to rocher perché and said the same thing. It’s too deep of a cut to put in the video but that was the third option for what people usually claim the logo stands for.
J'ai grandit à Montréal. Je ne me rappel pas avoir entendu parlé de la ressemblance avec le Rocher Percé. Mais la ressemblance est frappante! J'achète. 😉 Si Québec ne peut pas avoir d'équipe. Alors bienvenue au Nordiques de Percé.
@@DiveInCanadaafter a quick google search you can see the stark resemblance, I don’t see how adding a seven second edit of “or Rocher Percé as seen here, off the end of Gaspé peninsula in the Gulf of St Lawrence” is too far of a reach
This was really well done, thank you for creating it.
I see references to Mecanorma (a rival to Letraset). I had a summer job in 1977 wandering all over downtown Montreal dropping off free samples of Mecanorma at various clients (architects, graphic artists).
I'm very familiar with Percé Rock, the idea that the Nordiques' logo is inspired by it seems like a real longshot.
You are most welcome! Very interesting, we're really glad you saw the font choices. Personally, I like how bold it is. I'll check out Mecanorma.
We didn't find any relation to Roche Perce in our search. All igloo.
Still a point of shame for me i never got a nordiques jersey. Grew up a fan back when they had sakic, sundin, forsberg and fiset.
You can still get one! Brand new from NHL.com. Ain’t that the worst part? They’ll sell you the merch but won’t give Quebec a team.
You forgot the Belfast Boy, Owen Nolan!
@@DiveInCanada We feel your pain here in Hartford!
You can still get merch.
@@inconnu4961 I have an old school CCM original Whalers jersey from when I was a kid. Never stepped foot in Connecticut in my life!
I'm a Canadian who doesn't follow hockey at all. But whenever I ever saw the Nordiques' logo, I always saw the "n", never an igloo. I knew it was the Quebec hockey team. It's simple, nothing wrong with that, maybe that's what people like about it. Much like the Montreal Expos logo, simple. The white part by the way is not an "l", it's half of the "m" along with the "b" that signifies Montreal. Thus, it's not elb, it's emb, more specifically meb which stands for Montreal Expos Baseball. Clever and simple. There are many simple sports logos, most are decades old since many teams are old, relatively speaking. Newer ones are more modern usually and have more elements and most clearly convey the team, if not the sport as well.
I mean it took me 20 years to realise the Minnesota wild's logo was on the shape of a bear head haha
I didn't realize what the Expos symbol meant until a year before they left! haha. Awesome and clever for sure! I'm not so sure it's simple, but then again I could just be a simpleton.
The "N" word is still a very touchy subject in Quebec.
Knewgrow?
Absolutely adore the old logo, it's so 70s!
Ain't it just neat.
Have always loved this logo . Makes great hats
It looks great on a toque.
It's very common to see Nordique jerseys at Avalanche games. I wear a Nordique shirt under my Avalanche jersey when I go
We love hearing that. Keep the lineage strong.
Not sure what you're talking about - everyone I knew always assumed that it was shaped like an 'n' for Nordiques.
But an elephant? That's a new one for me.
You hung out with some astute folks. We were a few provinces removed from Quebec so I’m sure context clues would have helped us as adolescents.
I also thought it was an elephant...
I always thought it was an N with the opening part in turn also being a door for an Igloo. Like, Nordiques, Northerners..Igloos etc. Very Canadian.
I thought that the NHL was destined to return to Quebec just as it had with Winnipeg. Then I watched The Hockey Guy's video on the impediments to a return and oooooh boy there are lots of problems. You should probably check out that video. It's a bit of an eye opener.
I’m familiar with Shannon’s work. Great guy. We say at the beginning of the vid that we know the Nordiques aren’t coming back.
I think there's at least 6 or 7 markets that'll get a crack before QC does again (Houston, KC, Milwaukee, Portland, Hamilton and returning to Phoenix or Atlanta)
Amazing content
Thanks!
I did think it was rather elephantine before I learned the team name was the Nordiques, then it looked like an N. If you think the stick also kind of looks like the little tail on an uppercase Q.
I saw the "n" in the Nords logo as a kid. Never saw the "M" in that crazy red-white-and-blue bananas logo the Expos had until long after they fled to Washington.
The Expo's logo is a masterclass of confusing 70's (we know it was late 60's) design. Somehow both meaningless and full of deep meaning at the same time. That will probably be our next video deep dive if no one else does it.
Great Video
Thanks for watching!
I played in the Quebec PeeWee tournament in 79/80. A great NHL rink. I loved playing there one of the best NHL rinks I got to play in growing up. Quebec should have a team. If the Coyotes are still around and other weak markets, it doesn't make sense that Canada doesn't get that team back
In fact, the coyotes could just move to quebec. Crazy idea.
@@DiveInCanadaNah, they can't because Detroit does not want to move back to the western conference. Therefore, Coyotes need to move to Utah. Then expansion to Houston AND Québec. It's 34 teams then - crazy - but at least WITH Québec. And never let a team move to Atlanta ever again.
Atlanta tried twice and lost. No more chances until everyone else gets seconds.
3:47 Personally I prefer this color scheme of which reminds the same they would use for the rebrand logo instead of the actual/official one. It resembles too much the Canadiens' logo I'd say.
The fact that they went back to the colour scheme for the redesign proves that Roger, and by proxy, you, are correct. The blue on blue is a way better colour scheme.
"tree color"
No french classes in school for you I guess?
Nope. You didn’t say anything about the rest of my French so I must be doing something right.
It was so apparent to me as a child (in San Diego, CA) that this was an N and an igloo, it's jarring to hear it wasn't clear to others.
Good on you for being astute. In Alberta, we can confirm that the kids didn’t know what that logo was.
I always "got" that it was supposed to be an "n", just not an upper case "N", but wondered what an elephant had to do with either Quebec or the north. Maybe it was really a woolly mammoth? Never guessed that it was an igloo.
A wooly mammoth makes way more sense and is a better idea too.
Wait, you guys dont see an igloo/n??? I didn't even know what it was supposed to be but that's what I always saw it as lol
It’s a confusing logo. Good on you for catching it so fast.
As a kid, I thought the logo was a guy with a blue head and a red body raising his arm. Not sure if I knew it was supposed to be an igloo until much later.
We’ve heard that one before as well. Glad we aren’t the only ones.
I always thought that the logo was inspired by the « doors » of the ramparts of the old Quebec city.
That’s a great guess.
Every 90s kid I grew up with in Ontario liked the Nords logo, specifically because of it’s cool *n-igloo-stick*. It was eclipsed only by the Whalers Tail-HW logo. It’s bizarre that this video claims so few people understood the logo. I genuinely doubt that I could find ANY 90s hockey fans from my hometown who didn’t know this by simply looking at it.
Anyway. Bring back the Nords & Whalers!
The what-loo stick? Haha that’s a spicy way to put those words together.
That’s the difference between the east and the west. In Alberta, we were clueless to the design. The whalers did have a cool logo. All the 70’s logos were neat.
Espérons que les nordiques seront de retour un jour et relancer l'incroyable rivalité entre Montréal et Québec
Un jour, nous espérons qu'ils reviendront. La bataille de Québec a été amusante.
Only eastern team that could potentially move to QC would be the Sabres. Name is already French so it's even easier.
And good luck getting them to move. The fans love that team despite their record.
In what crazy world are the Sabres a candidate to move anywhere? Not this one that’s for sure
@@emkayusa a few years ago when the fans were super pissed with the team it was probably a possibility. I could still see them moving, but it's very unlikely
@@iansteelmatheson No, that’s not true. The only time in the last 40+ years there was a threat they would move was between the Knox’s ownership and the Golisano ownership. After Golisano bought the team their future in Buffalo was secured. When he wanted to sell the team his one demand of the new ownership was that the team remain in Buffalo. He actually took $90,000,000 LESS than what was offered by an ownership group based in Hamilton and sold the team to Terry and Kim Pegula. You really shouldn’t post here without knowing what you are talking about.
Me as a kid in the 80's.
Oh look a igloo in the shape of a n with a puck and stick.
It really wasn't that hard to figure out.
From the comment, seems like you were the exception in understanding that.
IDK, me and my friends all knew what it was, we even knew was Nordiques meant in English.
But we grew up in Winnipeg, so we were odd I guess 🤣
And the WHA was a fun league, as long as you were in one of the right cities.
It’s so strange to me how this video’s characterization is SO outside of every 90s hockey kids experience to me. We literally ALL knew and liked this logo back then, even if they weren’t our fave team.
Depends where you grew up. I’m seeing plenty of people that didn’t know.
I just realized now (at age 40) that the igloo is in the shape of an "n". lol
Folks say you get what you pay for. After finding out this was a teenager and he did it for nothing, that rings true.
@@DiveInCanada haha i feel a bit bad for the kid actually! Got absolutely no credit for it! lol
You get it. He deserves more credit. All of these designers do. The fact that they told him to change the colours and then changed it back to his preferred colour in 95 is just a slap in the face as far as I’m concerned.
Huh never knew it was an igloo.
Right?! What the heck is that design? It's not a surprise that a teenage nepotistic hire designed it.
same! I totally thought it was a weird elephant shaped N haha
Funny enough, i always knew it was an igloo, but only NOW realized it was the shape of an "n" too. lol
@@richardarnold5279 I'm the opposite.. since the 1980s, I always saw it as a lower case "n", but never thought about it being an igloo as well.
@@etrent2829 haha funny how something can be perceived differently eh?
I never noticed my entire life that the original Canucks logo was a skate. I never noticed until a few years back! lol
It wasn't an NHL logo. It was a WHA logo, look there to start...
We know. Watch our video on “Wild” Bill Hunter. That goes through the whole WHA story. The NHL is a more recognizable property that we can use to bring in views and isn’t factually incorrect.
Video is here: The Wild Life of Bill Hunter: The World Hockey Association and the Saskatoon Blues
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New NHL franchise: Quebec Cavaliers
🏇get your saddles ready.
Perhaps a controversial opinion but QC doesn’t need another NHL team. The smallest market in NhL is Winnipeg yet their population is still almost 200k more than QCity
Your opinion is far less controversial than I think you expect. You are absolutely right; QC is way too small of a market for todays NHL. Would we like the Nordiques back? Hell yes. Is it practical? Not yet.
Not only that, but there’s already a team in Quebec. Quebecois hockey fans had the Habs before the Nordiques and they still have them to this day
i get its a small city but the population is pretty much the same as winnipeg. Quebec city has Levis on the other side of the St Laurence, like the statistics of the metro pop of winnipeg 834k and Qc 820k so yes smaller but not that small
They deserve their team back. I’m getting tired of the Southern US Big Money Expansion.
@@Habebandebardown And Winnipeg is already worried about losing their team--again.
People didn't know it was an n? I always thought that, ever since I started collecting o-pee-chee cards in 1981
Yup. There was quite a lot of confusion.
That sniveling lawyer Bettman is never going to let a team back to Quebec. Ever. I'm a Leafs fans and want a team back in Quebec City. But with Bettman, it ALWAYS comes down to one thing. Money.
Look at the cost that the owners of the Kraken and Golden Knights had to pay to get teams there. The cost kept going up and up. Golden Knights, existing owners pocketed approx $500m from the expansion fees. Kraken? Owners pocketed $650m. It won't be long before a new owner will have to pay over a billion damn dollars (American currency) to get a franchise. And that's what Bettman wants because no one is going to pay between $650m to $1bn for a team to go to Quebec City. And that really effin sucks cuz youd have instant rivalries rekindled between Nordiques and Canadiens. New ones in Nordiques vs Sens and Leafs and it would be great for Canadian hockey. But a snivelling lawyer from New York as the commissioner of NHL doesnt give a shit about Canadian hockey no matter how many times he reads the winners of the Hockeyville Canada contest. Hes a p.o.s. and has absolutely ruined the game on the ice. Fiscally improved the NHL off the ice, but completely ruined it on the ice.
Yeah. Pretty sad stuff.
One thing that never gets looked at - or so it seems - you actually do need "magnet" franchises that draw crowds in the money markets. Imagine the 'buzz' if only Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Sunrise, Scottsdale, Columbus, Raleigh and San Diego had NHL teams.
You need the Leafs, Oilers and Habs (and Nordiques) to create interest. There needs to be a balance. I guess even Bettman knows that. My take: There might be a chance if no Eastern Conference has to switch to the West.
I want a team back in Quebec as much as anyone, but scapegoating Bettman is just being blind. The man is simply the right hand of the owners, and their collective voice. Each owner is getting a hefty pile of coins from the upcoming $1.3Bn expansion / transfer agreement in Utah. An extra $300M was added to the price, specifically for them to pocket.
Salt Lake has had a wealthy, well-liked, successful sports owner (a unicorn really) lobbying for a NHL team for ages, but it still took a crazy situation in Arizona for it to happen. So what chance does Quebec City have?
@@johnnyc.31 disagree wholeheartedly on the Bettman claim. He rules with an iron fist. You think the owners give a shit where their expansion payments come from? If Quebec was able to fork over the money to bring them there, the owners wouldn't give a shit, it's still money. Bettman didn't even want the Thrashers to leave for Winnipeg and I'm surprised it even happened. Only reason it did was the expansion fees demanded by corporate side of NHL weren't as astronomical in cost. Bettman is very much the majority of the problem.
Man the husky logo still looks kinda stupid
It’s a goated logo/jersey
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4:10 Is there a source for the logo being a capital N? Because it clearly looks more like a lower case n.
Also, I don't think it's that obvious that it's a letter n on its own, but it becomes very obvious once you know the team is the Nordiques.
If you read the comments, the obviousness of the logo varies from person to person. Personally, I didn't see the 'N' when I was younger either. The logo doesn't really look like an 'n' at all but hey, the kid was 17 and he didn't pick it.
As for the source, I was going to send you a link to the 'Le Soleil' article on BANQ but I can't seem to find the exact article that says Roger for going for a capital N. We assumed the hockey stick shaft was the last line on the N, if that's really what Roger was going for. I'll ask around the group and see if anyone else has anything.
So I chatted with the folks over here. We can’t find anything that explicitly states it was a capital ‘N’ as opposed to a lower case ‘n’. Chaulk it up to none of us speaking French and trying to translate through sheer willpower. Something got lost in the mix here. Apologies.
The Nordiques logo is not a NHL mystery. It was a WHA mystery that the NHL inherited
This is the real question. Well done.
I always thought it was a n lol
I would much rather watch a Habs vs. Nordiques rivalry than...Houston vs. Dallas, or Florida vs. Tampa, or Anaheim vs. San Jose, or any of these other markets that the NHL wants to expand into.
HOCKEY MARKETS EXIST....
- Portland, Oregon
- Quebec City, Quebec
- Milwaukee, Wisconsin
- Toronto-Hamilton, Ontario
I cannot wait for Gary Bettman to leave the NHL alone...I want him to go away forever.
Bettman has a complicated legacy that’s for sure. If he retired tomorrow, we wouldn’t be sad.
2:44-2:49 This makes absolutely no sense. The Sharks were based in Los Angeles, not San Francisco. The franchise lasted three years, the first two in Los Angeles before splitting the 1974-75 season as the Detroit-based Michigan Stags and the Baltimore Blades before folding.
You need to brush up on your WHA lore. Prior to the WHA’s first season, the San Francisco sharks were a proposed team. They folded before they even played and Quebec was given their spot. They would later start up a franchise in La.
@@DiveInCanada Damn. You're right. California supposed to originally have had 2 charter franchises - San Francisco Sharks & Los Angeles Aces. Aces took Sharks' name & colors after San Francisco entry moved to Quebec City & before start of inaugural WHA campaign. I stand corrected and learned something new today.
Wait till you find out about the Miami Screaming Eagles franchise 😉😂
If you want, head over to our Bill Hunter video. It goes over the WHA history. It’s a very interesting league.
@@Actionronnie Started with that identity but couldn't find a home arena to their liking, moved to Philadelphia and rebranded Blazers for only inaugural WHA season, became Vancouver Blazers for next two years, then Calgary Cowboys for two more, then folded. More familiar with that story.
Thank god they never wore those huskies jesus christ
What? You don’t like the ExTrEmE huskie?🎸
Better without the red
Agreed.
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This really grinds my gears
Blame it on the Albertan accent.
Nobody knows. Even fewer care.
In your case, you didn’t even bother to watch the video before you commented.
My understanding was that it wasn't an igloo (since igloos don't have much significance to French Canadians) but rather a representation of Percé Rock, which is a prominent geological feature in eastern Quebec. Just Google a picture of Perce Rock to see what I mean. I was born in Quebec so, for me, the association to Perce Rock was far more obvious.
Our narrator has seen rocher perché in person. He can confirm that yeah, it looks similar but all of our research told us it’s based on an igloo. Not a bad way to rework the logo though.
As you point out, just watch the National Film Board of Canada documentary Just Another Job.