Outrunning the AMEX Algorithm on a Cannonball
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- In 2013, Ed set the NY to LA record of 28 hours 50 minutes. Fuel management was a big part of their strategy but it was not without issue. Here he tells us a bit more about what happened.
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"Hello American Airlines? How soon can you get me from JFK to LAX? First flight out is in two days? No thank you I'll take the Bolian Express instead."
The Bolian Express: Fast, loud engine noises, illegal, and terrifying.
But no crying babies or fat, awkward, or easily-angered passengers, and if it runs regular service, it appeals to the introvert and car guy within me.
Also, who can't trust Ed?
@@revolver265 I trust Ed more than 98% of people I know, and I'm never met him
@@revolver265 I trust Ed more than I trust my own dad.
"I was daily driving the prostitute gallardo"
That line made me actually lol
the prostitute gallardo is a gallardo that a prostitute traded in
Kimmy
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ed is the fucking man LMFAO
Credit card company "we have determined it is not possible for you to get from this place to that one in that little time"
Ed: "yeah we can talk about this later. Just don't send the cops after me and let me buy gas"
With the 45 MPH average speed limit in the US, it's pretty easy to "go faster than legally allowed". I mean, rev too much in second gear, and you are speeding. And you have 4 gears left. Some have 5 left.
Hans't AMEX ever heard of General Aviation? A Beechcraft Baron would make even better time than a cannonball run.
bcubed72 But you're not filling the Baron with mogas on the side of the highway.
Last First
45 MPH average?! LOL, you must not have ever been here! Interstates have abandoned 55MPH; 65 is a "low" S/L; i think Texas is up to 90 now.
You must be looking at an average of ALL roads, including parking lots and school zones. Yes, a 75MPH interstate, plus a 15MPH school zone, averages to 45...
bcubed72 Varies a bunch even between highways in the same state. Highways I usually drive people drive 70-ish, but in Vegas the standard traffic was just about 100 and it was much more crowded
I'm a truck driver and had my card froze last week.
It freaked Visa out that there were charges in Chicago, Cleveland, Buffalo, Fort Wayne, Toledo and Erie in the span of 2 days lol.
The hoops I had to jump through to get it reactivated were a pain.
That's why cash is an essential element of freedom
Same here. If I keep truckin for for weeks at time. Never hear a thing from my bank. If I go home for say a week. Then hit the road again. The fraud system starts calling me. Then they start asking me about transactions over a 3 week period. Almost all being truck stops lol. I'm like yes it is me making those. I'm a trucker. Then it's all good until I come home again.
My credit union is awesome.
They tell you :
Call us if you're traveling to avoid a card turnoff.
Worked for me 2x going 3 states away and spending alot of money.
Never had a problem.
They freaked out about that over your two-day span?? That's just nuts. I cover all of that route and more (around 700 miles total) over an 11-hour period making the drive to see my family, and I drive like a grandma compared to most people! One fuel stop along the way - love the power of the stealth Civic!
Get a charge card. This guy's Amex was clearly pretty good about it.
Amex looks at flight schedules to tell if a charge is fraudulent or not? That's pretty wild.
Yes, I actually learned this when I took a ride on someone else's plane into a private landing strip and had a similar issue.
Some companies also won't let you buy gas on a trip if you don't tell them that you'll be a certain amount of miles away or they'll lock the cars when you try and use it.
Thats why there the BEST in the business!
Best until you get stranded because your card gets cut off when you're driving a little too fast.
My brother had this happen on a motorcycle trip...
The fuel transfer was probably faster because the voltage of the
Alternator is higher than the battery and the pump motors are voltage sensitive.
was thinking this exact same thing but in relation to the speed a window rolls down when the car is on vs off
Plus the auxiliary fuel tanks look to be higher up so they were pumping fuel downhill
About 2 volts. Most cars run at about 13.5v (alternator running obv) because alternators are designed to overcome the internal battery resistance. I am only saying this in case someones wondering.
@@aliabdallah102 no one was wondering
Put a dc-dc board in between the battery and the pump tuned to 12V.
Or use a brushless motor and controller.
And put better sensors in the tank.
Actually drop the tank, install a float switch (like in a cistern) and have that pull fuel from the other tanks.
AE: We analyzed the flight patterns and you couldn't have flown there quick enough to fill up
Ed: Yeah well I was driving so it's okay
AE: Wut
Ed: Yo just let me buy shit it's real okay
I love this guy
I was going to 'like' this comment- then saw the number and decided to let someone else ruin the 420 likes! I'll get it next time around.. . lol
Cash is king.
American Express we're shrewd negotiators
1,000th like haha
LMAO!!!!
In 1988 (age 21) I was on leave and i drove from the 32nd street naval base in San Diego to Saint Simons Island, GA in 28 hours in a Chrysler K car. Just over 2400 miles. I wasn't going to waste my time on leave on driving. Back then the speed limit was 55. I remember going 100 mph the whole trip. Never saw a cop. Driving back i drove much slower but i got pulled over for doing 77 in a 55 zone. The texas trooper was a cool guy and gave me a ticket for not wearing my seatbelt instead. Ah the good ole days.
that is a solid drive! good work.
My dad used to do the same thing, he would drive home from boot camp in Virginia with the navy back home to San Diego in less than 30 hours in a then new Toyota Tacoma
Haha! You did nearly the opposite of me. I did from near Philly to Pendleton, leaving Sunday after dinner and arrived Tuesday at sunrise. I didn't really look at the speedo much.
Nothing motivates a service member more than, “I’m wasting leave time traveling.” 😂 I know I’ve felt that way driving home to Tennessee from Texas
That has to be the K Car world record.
Ed bolian, the man who drives faster than planes fly
Well, big planes fall from the sky if the fly slower than 400 MPH, and the top speed of an overweight Mercedes is slightly lower than that, let alone the average speed, which may hardly pass 100 MPH. So, faster than what exactly ? Faster than the average slow driving American ? I guess.
You are taking the statement too literally. He didn't mean faster than a plane, he meant faster than it would take for Ed to get on a plane and fly to where he was.
@@TheHare Yup. Commercial aircraft spend a lot of time on the ground, and doing things slowly but procedural for safety's sake.
The Hare you’re taking this joke too literally
Last First
Under 200 mph you mean. They take off at 150mph, then accelerate past 450mph. Cruise at 550.
When you're moving faster than an airplane
X Blocky not exactly that, but no scheduled flights between those two locations in that given time.
codenamecordon I bet you're the life of the party
except that's not how this works lol
_"X Blocky not exactly that, but no scheduled flights between those two locations in that given time"_
Why are you assuming SCHEDULED flights? Charter flights/general aviation IS a thing, you know.
@@bcubed72 they still need to register their flight plan
Those were some crazy moments. We really viewed the first attempt as a shakedown run and situations like this showcase that mentality well. I am very glad it all worked out. We had a similar credit card issue on the Cannonball Memorial Run over the weekend where our non-linear path across the country threw off some alarms with the CC companies.
I just loved the fact that they were comparing flight times and all hahaha
Just goes to show how fast they where going.
I wanna see you dress up like a doctor and say, "Well, I'm glad to say that you don't have colon cancer. Unfortunately, the abdominal pain you are experiencing is due to the fact that you swallowed a large piece of metal that appears to be an Apple Watch."
So can you have some friends with fast fuel pumps meet you to gas you up at pre determined pit stops along the way or would that be cheating...?
That's the beauty in cannonball style attempts, the main rules that apply are for your proof of the run ( gps/toll receipts/ video etc. etc) . nothing about how you get your fuel. just something to think about.
I really love how Ed bolian tells his stories. It's very entertaining and the imagery feels like you were there! this channel is great Ed is awesome!
The credit card bit is so cool :0
Why on earth you want to pay electronically in a gas station on an illegal run, is pretty stupid. But, that is standard in the US, I guess. In Europe you have to pay electronically because they cannot pay people because of extremely high labour-taxes, but in US every gas station has at least one person.
In Germany you can pay cash or electronic as you want. Every Gas Station has Personal due to a Shop. There are some unmanned Petrol stations but they are not standard.
should get a Ram SRT-10 and put a 200 gallon fuel tank in the bed, beef up the supsension and just ride out without stopping at all imo
Jessa Phillips unfortunately the srt10 wouldn’t be fast enough for this. It doesn’t have the top end speed needed to take advantage of the open stretches. Even if it did it is not designed to run those speed for such a long time. This fact kinda relegates these runs to autobahn style or purpose built cars.
But that would be hella cool to see a ram hauling ass across the country like that.
Jessa Phillips If the Ram SRT can't do it, how about the HSV Maloo Ute?
ThatKidNamedZephyr HD hahaha yessss too bad there aren't any in the us
ThatKidNamedZephyr HD only one I know about is the hoonigan one
I am glad they only release one video per day. It means there is some hope that I accomplish something in my life. If there were 10, I would be glued to each and every one and slowly sink into blissful grinning poverty in a hovel lit only by my iphone.
Glad you are finding ways to keep your life on track despite our best efforts!
At that point you'd be at the library on the computer.
I know i'm late to the party but I listen to them while hobbying :)
You guys need a few sound deadening tiles in that room. The echo is pretty bad, especially with a voice that carries as well as Ed's.
John Grafelman fuck you bro i didnt notice till u mentioned it
Paul Dunbar same
John Grafelman you’re clearly new in here... dude this is normal levels... go to their first videos....
Its hardly annoying
If you’re using headphones just turn your volume down a little less than usual
Probably bench tested the fuel pump flow rate at 12v not realizing it would be operating at 14v in the car.
When Ed says “your leaking gas” at 4:03 does he not sound like Lightning McQueen
Wow
Exactly like Owen Wilson
Wow, that is uncanny
This guy is an awesome story teller - seems like a stupid compliment, but there are a ton of people who can make a riveting story sound like a “how to weave baskets” video.
My only regret in life is that I just discovered Ed Bolian today and not years ago. Keep up the great work and God bless you and yours Ed!
AE: We analyzed the flight patterns and you couldn't have flown there quick enough to fill up.
Ed: I can't tell YOU (one person in private) because it's illegal how I did it but I will post a public video on YT later about the whole story of how I broke the law to break a record so it's ok. Thanks.
Statute of limitations has run out. That's why he is able to talk about all this now instead of many years ago when he actually did it.
Well, he probably and understandably wasn't interested in telling American Express that he was in the process of like a 28 hour continuous crime
@@FirstNameLastName-hz4kv Technically that might make them an accessory - they /definitely/ do not want to know.
Ed bolian always has the best stories to tell
You are too kind. Thank you. Glad you are enjoying them.
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I'm no Cannonball record contender, but fuel stops have always been a big part of my road trip planning. I can reliably get 400 miles of range in my 4Runner, so I'll drink a 5 Hour Energy when I fill up and pace my sipping a 1/2 liter water over the tank of gas. That gives me about 6 hours of time between refuel/defuel stops.
My Nieghbor is a big car guy. I told him about this channel and all I hear coming from his window is him binge watching these videos lol.
And I see him commenting on almost every video. Matt, if you read this, come through and have a beer.
4K was a great idea, guys. love the stories keep it up
Crazy how since it was 28 hours, you arrive on the west coast at the same time of day you left.
1 hour and a day later, since time difference is 3 hours.
Seriously, this is my new favourite channels. I love the concept of different people telling very interesting car stories.
i love you upload your videos in 4k, not enough people do it these days. this is slowly becoming one of my favorite channels. great stories
Did this guy just tell us to go watch Tavarish?????
sieve5 that guy is so damm annoying! Had to un sub
Lovr this story
And yes, watch Tav
Satveer Degun he is annoying, but I like watching him stumble through things.
Satveer Degun he really is I hate how is always says I’m tavarish and this is my lambo like u stupid fuck we know this !
Dude we need this speech given to department of transportation to help them understand the struggle an stress of these unrealistic expectations of 1300 mile trip in 2 days as a solo trucker and proper trip planning
Love that setup Ed! And congrats on the anniversary of you record! Watching you go through the car with tavarish showed me how much that little beater means to you and it was great to hear you talk about it.
I love when car youtubers speak freely about each other, you can feel the love and passion for cars.
Switch drivers while on the road with cruise control and piss in bottles. Gut the interior for extra gas carrying capacity.
@James Braselton Too slow. Average speed they drove was 100mph. You'll wanna go way past the speed limit on an empty stretch of road for this challenge.
Shit next thing you're going to say use is depends and drive without pants
Ed, I wish any one of my engineering classes were this entertaining, thanks!
Would it be considered cheating if you had your own fuel waiting at locations across the country and Nascar style quick fill methods?
Not at all. That has been discussed.
Filling it up with a high capacity pump and not having to worry about paying would shave off 15 mins.
Would it be possible/practical to "in-flight refuel" driving down the road? (Obv. not legal, but hey, the whole thing ain't legal.)
I am in!
Perhaps pass hot-swappable cylinders with quick disconnects through the windows?
Love listening to how this guy gives out his stories!
I've driven coast to coast at the speed limit, and it just makes the accomplishment that much more impressive.
The number of things that can ruin a run like this is amazing. What are the odds that someone could beat this time?
Lots of things would have to go right.
Clint Gliford someone did beat it already by close to 2 hours
Solomon Anczarski HA
For starter they could use a diesel car. A regular VW wagon TDI can easily make 36mpg loaded with 1000lbs of stuff and you would need only 500 of fuel at 36mpg to do the 3000 miles.
This is getting me thinking...
Too slow tho
Man I love these car stories. I can listen to them all day :)
Man this is just the coolest stuff! I wish you guys could make a documentary on Netflix or something so more people could see this. Keep it up guys!
Keep up the great work VINwiki!
Should of just wired in a float cut off in the main tank
Or just paid attention to the gas gauge on the car and when he noticed it increasing while running at speed, realized that the pump capacity of his aux tank exceeded his burn rate, so he could just turn off the pump periodically to keep the fuel in the 1/2 to 3/4 tank range.
Well he did say the meter was not very good, therefore they never really knew how much was in the tank.
Yeah there's a bunch of rather easy technological solutions to this. I'm surprised they weren't utilized and wondering if I'm overlooking a reason why not.
Good info. I rode motorcycle from Canada to Mexico. Stopped time 42 min, crazy how it adds up and kills your average. Great videos.
ed is an awesome storyteller i have watched most of the vinwiki videos
I love how this whole thing just confused the hell out of American Express' algorithms. :)
Vinwiki is a great business/entertainment venture by Ed I had never heard of him until I saw one of these videos when the channel had around 10k subs and now I'm hooked on the videos especially the stories from ed and the geeza who owns the valet service top stuff lads love from uk
Thanks!
This guy is captivating...i didnt even know what a cannonball was (still dont exactly) but he kept me watching through the whole thing
I had auxiliary tanks once.
Did the same thing you did.
Solved the issue by using a GM rear window defroster switch that actuated the pump via a relay.
The switch has an integrated timer that allows a closed circuit for 8 minutes.
I see Ed on VINWiki, I press like :)
American Express: hey there's no way you're spending money that quick FRAUD 😂
Wow, now that's a great cannonball story! Outrunning a credit card travel algorithm is an accomplishment in itself. Might have to add that one to the bucket list!
If I was Amex I would think of this as an awesome advertising campaign.
+gnarshread good point!
Ed is the best story teller compared to anyone on this channel
ED IS THE MAN. THIS GUY CAN TELL A STORY!!!
Note to Ed: keep the beard :-D
Seriously, I love this channel and all the car stories!
Ed if you read this i got a good advice for you. You want to put a tons of fuel in your trunk without collapsing the rear suspension? Go to france and buy an old Citroen with hydropneumatic suspension. They're pretty cheap, there's plenty of them and the hydrolic suspension don't collaps on load. The best choice is a turbo diesel or a turbo or a V6 Citroen Xantia Activa II because the activa suspension mean you can flat cornering it as well, and being pretty aerodynamic those cars can go pretty fast in good comfort. A Citroen XM V6 24 valves or Turbo Diesel 2.5 is also a good choice since the V6 can top 240kmh and the diesel will run forever before stopping for fuel.
Have you ever considered a diesel Mercedes for one of these runs? Seems one of those
would have the torque to move you and the range to drastically reduce the number of stops needed for fuel.
Ed has this ability for making every story exhilarating!
Nobody:
VINwiki Intros: "And then, I killed him" *Music Starts*
best car channel on youtube
This guy's trades options. You can tell with how he explains the average, moving average, and Delta.
I love ed so much....what a dude!
You should totally do audio books dude. With that voice and your story telling prowess you'd be perfect!
In one of the original Cannonball Runs there were four guys in a crew cab pickup who built a 150 gallon gas tank. Because they all came from a racing background, when they had to stop each had a specific duty like a pit crew. Multiple gas pump lines were run into the tank to get it filled as quickly as possible. The one I spoke to a few years later told me they had to gingerly exit the gas station, be really careful going around square city corners, and once on the freeway it was sluggish until they got some of the extra weight used up.
Now that's lit as fuck
It almost literally lit us on fire!
Ed Bolian true that
Ed is the best!!! This story was gggggggggggreat
He can tel on hella good story, hunh?? I bet if he has kids, they prolly LOVED bedtime stories!!! lol
The more I watch this channel the more I want to do a coast to coast run. Might be in my future. Years of working 3rd shift will help haha
Ed bolian's stories are the best thing to happen to youtube...his vocabulary is just hilarious
man it must be so frustrating to try to maintain that kind of speed for 28 hours+. I've tried to maintain a 100 mph for 6hours before on the interstate and it was so damn frustrating! even when traffic is moving at 80mph. trying to get people out of the left lane when they are going 80 is almost impossible.
Especially since in some states they can get in just as much trouble as the person speeding for not yielding to them.
You waited for people to move. Grab the right lane and never touch the cruise control. I made it from Miami to Charlotte in 11 hours never went over 80. But never slowed down either.
Oh my god. I can now hear the echo from the old set. :) lol
Such a cannonball race sounds like the coolest race ever! I would love to 'compete' in such a thing!
This is golden story telling time...🐰🔥😬
Good video ed keep it up
Try a cannonball run with a street legal f1 car
that would be a ton of fun for about 20 miles and then break you in half.
LMP1 Car would be even better.
Also would attract police attention even more than a screaming yellow hellcat!!
Lol at the credit card story. That happened to me back in the day
I need to meet Ed lol like I just need to sit n have a coffee or whatever with him n just listen to his stories and bullshit because this guy is just epic. I am glued to the Vinwiki channel lol
Could you please explain the oil burning issue and how were you able to tell how much oil to add when the engine was so hot, did you let it burn so much that the oil pressure light comes on or does the w215 have a way of measuring oil levels while running. Thanks Ed
laktix I was wondering this too. Was this a new car? I just drove across the US and back in a 150k mile Grand Prix and only added 1 quart for a 7600 mile trip.
my mercedes s 500 has no dipstick. the car simply tells me on the screen in the cluster that it requires a liter of oil!
As someone who used to long-distance rally a motorcycle, I can tell everyone, before the trip, call ALL your CC companies and tell them, "hey, you may see activity which appears suspicious, but it's really me, don't worry about it". They'll put your card into a 'travel mode' of sorts.
On the Honda ST1100 my wife and I rallied with, it carried 10.5 gallons of fuel, and it wasn't unusual to rack up 1,500 miles in 24 hours (go to ironbutt.com if you don't believe me). Our personal two-up record is 1,628 miles in 26 hours...all within the borders of Colorado. Now THAT was difficult. We crossed the Continental Divide 7 times that day, took a Polaroid picture each time, with our rally number held up and the bike in-frame with the sign, to prove it (along with other notes about time and mileage).
The first time my CC was suspended like this, it freaked me out, because we were on something like hour six of 24. This was before mobile phones (and more importantly, antenna coverage) were common, too, 1998. This is when I learned of the "travel exception", from Visa. They can turn it on and off easily, too, so fraud protection returns when you're done with the charges which freak their systems out.
Cannonball Run...doing one is on my bucket list if they still run these!
Gruene, TX is actually pronounced “Green”. Love the channel.
STORY TIME WITH ED WOOOOOOOOO
I love this guy so much!!!!!!!!
I red this story online somewhere after it happened. I had know idea it was him. :)
This is so Awesome! I’ve always wanted to do cannonball, I used to drive from Staunton, Va to Fresno Ca and back for Best Buy in a Semi Truck Team run with my brother Every single week for 3 1/2 years. Have seen the cannon ballers a couple times on that run. We’d make that trip in 32 hours in a semi truck consistently...... let me know if you wanna do it again lol!! I had every pot hole memorized across 40
I think the best cannonball car would be an Audi A8 TDI. It already gets 700ish Miles with the stock tank. Add two more and one could hit the 1000+ mark with ease. If you take weight out of the car that miles per tank rating would go up. Secondly. One could fashion an all electric input system. Since the A8 is sold in RHD. One could put the driver's side on both sides. Add some sort of toggle then you are done switching drivers. All it takes is the flip of a switch and you could tell the car which set off inputs to accept. Add this to the fact that the Audi is extremely comfortable and fast. I think it's almost perfect.
Wes Hughes It is pretty heavy compared to the a6. you would want it with the V8 tdi, but that uses much more fuel than the V6 biturbo tdi. You can easily fit the big tanks in the a6 or 5 series, especially with the estate models.
I would prefer the m550d though because of its longer gear ratio. Saves a bit of fuel.
VW Phaeton V10 tdi.. a 350hp diesel autobahn slugger that will merrily do 150+ hour after hour after hour with relative economy.. an extra 70 gallons of diesel in the trunk will give easily 1000 miles between fill ups..
this is an amazing birthday gift thank u
Happy Birthday!
Brett Bilger Thank you!!
Ah yeah fun stuff...we ran into a similar issue when shuffling cars around dealing with a relative's estate, it was only ~200 miles and wasn't especially high speed but to do the shuffle we ended up driving 2 vehicles round trip 2-3 times in a long weekend, requiring fillups at both ends. They seemed to think we were in both locations at once given the alternating back-and-forth with multiple fill-ups at both ends.
That story reminds me of the Christmas day I got a call from my credit card company asking me if I had just made a purchase which I had. I thought wow they really do work 365 days a year. Good story Ed.
Hehe totally plan on doing one of these in a few years
Now that’s cool!!!
Ed is the master of story tellers.
Love his stories
Another way to instantly trip the Credit Card algo, buy tennis shoes and then buy a full tank of gas. It's the most common thing done with a stolen credit card. Just put a cannon ball run on my bucket list! Thanks for the insider info.
(99-06) HHC, 1st and 4th :) NSDQ!
Faster then air travel . Now that's something to brag about 👍🏻
@7:33 "im not going to explain"
American express : "aww"
I had a similar problem back in 2007, I decided to try and get to Athens, Greece on my buell in less than 72 hours (3 days) had a hot date waiting (happily married spouse of 12 years now) got fraud blocks after Dusseldorf, had to make calls but gave up and had enough cash to cover my costs. My waypoints were taped on my Speedo, was riding by Casio, rev counter, reserve light and magnetic map case duct taped to my aluminium frame. Man, respect for your cannon ball. (Edit: starting point, Essex, UK)
Damn this guy holds the world cannonball record and found two stolen cars that’s wow
should consider using a diesel mercedes next time, truck stops have super high flow bowsers on both sides of you, and you can cut your stopped time down from 8 to 3 minutes.
also less likely that a diesel pump will be occupied
Every time I see this video I pick up on something new. When Ed talks about driving for 850+ miles, stopping for 9 minutes and then getting back in for another 850+, that's just *astounding* to me. That's incredibly difficult to pull off; I think most of the viewers overlook that part and don't understand how much strength it takes to do that.
When i was in my 20's i regularly drove 1400 miles from boston to minneapolis in 23 hours, i would leave at 5pm, and get to minneapolis about 5 pm the next day, only stopping for gas, and it was tuff. I tried it 3 years ago at 40 years old and i had to stop and get a hotel room. Lol it took 3 days!
The difference here is they had 3 guys to share the driving.
I actually got stranded for 12 hours in Amarillo one time due to something that may have been this same issue, back in the late 90s.... I left Houston, TX in the morning. Kept a steady pace on I-45, cut across onto US 287 and floored it, averaging over 100mph on US 287.... Stopped in Amarillo TX and my bank card was declined. I was told it was due to suspiscious activity, that they had seen charges in 2 different cities too close together. I tried explaining that i was on a road trip, they had none of it. I ended up having to wait until the next morning and have a family member send me cash via Western Union....