Mechanical Advantage of a Paring Ladder to Move Logs Uphill
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2018
- Using the paring ladder to move a heavy log uphill out of a tangle for debarking. The more vertical the legs, the more force is needed to move the log. Getting the ideal angle makes lifting easier.
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If you alter your pairing ladder so that you can attach the log rope lower on the ladder you get more mechanical leverage when you pull from the top of the ladder. You don't want to attach the log too low on the ladder you'll have to try different locations to see what is the best for your situation. I would suggest to start with attached the log rope onto the paring ladder approximately 60 to 75% of the height of the paring ladder.
Asides from my 2 cents , I was thinking rollers
@@splinterinthemind5158 rollers is a good idea too.👍
So mechanical advantage to make the mechanical advantage that is used to make s heavy thing light
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So where did ask the weight go???
Down the legs to the ground.
I was just about to comment that his rope could be lower when I saw you beat me to it. 😊
“Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it and I shall move the world” (Archimedes).
Love the kilt👍
Cheers from Scotland 🏴
fulcrums and levers: the laborer’s basic physics- old retired laborer
I see that's a Cargo Kilt!
My gran was born and bred Scottish and this is what the ladies eventually morph to resemble when aged well with copious amounts of Drambuie.
That’s a sharp axe ya got there. And well swung, too. Awesome video.
Another old time tool and technique that I had never seen. With a peeled log that thing must really fly. Thank you for the video, Todd
I've had fresh peeled logs slide on their own down slopes. I should make a flue with the bark and slide em home, lol.
I learned that method with a windlass. I've never tried it with just the ladder. It's good to know it's such an easily scalable system.
Gotta make myself one of those paring ladders, shifting the big logs has been a real problem for me. What a fantastic idea, great content as always
Many thanks, Ben! Here's the link to how I built it and its original purpose: survivalsherpa.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/a-glorified-shaving-horse-how-to-build-a-paring-ladder-in-the-woods/
This is the method I use for getting my teenage kids out of bed before noon
That is funny 😁😁😋
Dude, you are a real bushcrafter! Thanks for the vids.
Many thanks! I just try to find easy ways to do stuff, lol.
This is brilliant! Thanks. I had to move a 2,000kg log around to my sawmill and I have no powered machines. This worked perfectly. (Took us 4 days, but it was at least still doable). Scott from Japan
That hard work will keep you young and strong...I really enjoy your vids .
Thank you! I feel in my old bones at times though.
Great example. The only thing that I'd fix would be to put a proper whipping on the frazzled ends of that three-ply rope you've got there! It's a pet peeve, I know, but it's one of those little details that really matters but few think about. If you don't already have a copy of the Ashley Book of Knots, I highly recommend it because it's chock full of all sorts of different ways our ancestors used rope and pulleys - from functional to decorative. There's no other book I can think of that's so valuable to the self-sufficient folks out there, and every man should have a copy in his library.
Looks like I didn't notice this one years ago. I have just found the axe as a grown man..love your style..reasonable pace with big heavy blows! Another guy on you tube says raising your axe above your head is a waste of energy. I think he is wrong. Lol..
Thank you for your insight..theses primitive skills will be lost without someone preserving and teaching them..
Thank You
That guy on utube must have been splitting kindling wood.
Impressive vid. I will remember this for when I need it. I can help you do it much easier though, without the strain on your back and arms. Instead of using your arms and back to pull, tie a rope to the top of the ladder, on the side that you, yourself are now pulling from and make a loop in the bottom at about knee height or so (you are making a hang mans noose or something like it). Put your foot in the loop, step up and use your body weight to pull the pairing ladder. Putting an open ring or place for your foot (like on a horse saddle) will make the placing of your foot quicker rather than having to put your foot in a rope loop.
Or he needs a horse!!
Dude, you’re not 25 anymore!
Is he Scottish?Looks like he is wearing a kilt.
I like that idea.
One of the best and certainly one of the most useful vids I’ve seen to date.
Many thanks!
Your one hard working dude.
05/23/2021 I have never seen a paring ladder before. I do know some of the tricks that use rolling on other logs and large branches with human strength or aa flip flop winch. Thanks for the info. This is too good to forget Don
Dam you are making that double -bit do WORK ! And the kilts must make it easier for sure 👍😁 Great tip !
That's an excellent device, I am glad to learn of it, thanks.
Thank you for this very interesting, informative, and well-done video!😎
Awesome bro,, just watching you work
A climbing harness attached to tip of your pairing ladder with a rope. Lean back and use your weight without using arms. I am about to make one of these though. Great method BTW. One of the best on youtube :-)
Great tip!
So simple.....many thanks!
Excellent! I had not seen that device before. Thank you for this.
Many thanks! Very easy to construct.
Same here.
Thanks for sharing your videos.
Nice and great idea to use the ladder! Thanks for share! I always try to use if i have some enough the power of polipast rope attached to another tree and more in conjunction with the tip of the ladder can be really powerful. Some times also using some transversal branch behind the trunk to make easily roll over. Thanks for inspiration!
Thanks for the thoughts and comment!
@@SurvivalSherpa keep up making good stuff, mate! Enjoy!
Fantastic will have to show our kids how to do that, thanks for sharing it with us
Thanks, bud. It can be scaled down to work kids too.
Beer Belly but with crazy arms not to mention "tactical kilt" this man has Alota character😂😂😂
He obviously knocks back a few coldies after a hard day on the axe, and you don't get that sort of skill without doing it day after day for years.
@@Devo491 i nő
Wow... !!! My best friend, It's always great. Your video is excellent quality. We liked and enjoyed to the end. Thanks
Brilliant .. never knew about this ..
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I think this is the first youtube video I've seen with good axe skills!
Yep. Most are bushcraft hipsters who are more concerned with brand, than skill
Buckin billy ray
@@GhostScout42 yes, that guy is a legend.
Great demo. Im gonna use this.
Finally !!!! SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO USE AN AXE!!!! CUDOS SIR!!!
I recall in a Tarzan movie as a kid, (I'm 67) he made one of,those out of logs and vines to pull a rolled over hunter's jeep upright!
Awesome display sir!
Many thanks!
Great idea.just what I needed.thanks
Came for the kilt, stayed for the come along. Actually I have two big cedar logs to move in my yard. I may be able to move them now.
I thought I was skilled, tough, and smart until I saw this video. I’m impressed.
Thanks Ron. I'm sure you are, sir. Keep Doing the Stuff!
anyone who thinks they are smart, aren't.
@@savannaswildnatureworkshop7810 is this a smart thought? ;)
The cord has to be longer in order for it to work better! Doing this way you have to lift a part of the log each time you pull.
It is also easier if you out log underneat to help it roll ! But real well demonstrated ! Prinal technologie at its finest 🤘🙏
Looks cool I usually use 2 pullies
Nice idea, thanks enjoyed the video.
Many thanks!
VEry good idea and it spares your back.
Thanks for the video. Right idea. Technique needs a little polishing. The choker strap on the log being moved needs to be just forward of the center of gravity so you lift, and then drag while the majority of the weight of the log is off the ground and has less friction with the ground. Second the choker strap to the top of the paring ladder is too long. When the legs of the ladder are vertical, the log should be mostly off the ground with only the back end of the log dragging. Third, the longer the legs of the ladder, the more leverage you have over the work being moved. Fourth, when you are pulling from the front, you don't want your energy going into pulling down, only pulling forward. Any effort that feels like pulling down is a waste of energy. The trick is to pull on the top of the ladder with a long rope tied to the top of the ladder from far afront. That will give you the most mechanical advantage. Fifth, if the log is very long, use two or three ladders stationed at increments down the length of the log. You should be pulling on the forward ladder with your rope, and the forward ladder should be tied to the top of the second ladder, and then the second ladder should be tied to the top of the third ladder, etc... Hope this helps.. Now if you will excuse me, Pharaoh wants me to finish his new pyramid.
Clever chap. Great advice that. Brill
This is what I believe the Egyptians and others did to move large blocks of stone. Hence the nubs. I think they linked 30 of these at the top. A crew pulled on ropes attached to the apex of each pair. The bipods were pulled to height, and the stone was lifted and moved forward. Like a centipede, they moved an obelisk along. After each hump-along, they repositioned the base of the bipods. Thus you see a series of holes outside a line of stairs.
I watched him doing this and thought the same thing, "modern day stonehenge" is worth taking a look at. 60 or 70 year old guy stands a 20 ton block by himself using knowledge and physics, it's very impressive. Imagine having 20,000 workers working together with a common goal, hard to fathom today cause everyone is so close minded, but they did it.
AH I love that! Respects from Germany
Strong muscle and equally strong will accomplish all impossibles!!👍👍
Camo Kilt is something I never expected to see, great video anyway
A survival kilt to beat. Very cool
Thanks, man. Love my kilts in the Georgia heat and humidity.
Great video! Put short sections of six or eight inch diameter logs under the log you want to move and the rollers will make your efforts more efficient.
Never knew... thank you.
You always wonder how things got built before power equipment existed. Well here is a perfect example. Love the kilt. If there was a Scottish G.I. Joe it would be you!
That's pretty dang slick, Todd. Tucking it into my grey matter for future reference. 14' log that diameter is what? Close to a half ton?
Thanks bud! First saw a Russian using something similar to move logs for a log cabin he was building. I figured since I already have an A-frame built, why not. Works pretty well.
Wenn you stepped n that log I was glad that the camera wasnt lower! Great kilt though.
Well hell yeah, thanks buddy.
Here you go again using that mechanical advantage! Kind of harkens back to your flip flop winch video. I guess if push comes to shove, you could use the winch to drag that log out. Just goes to show that there's always a solution. Thanks!
I got a lot "troll" comments on that flip flop winch video pulling my truck. What people don't understand is that it has way more applications than just pulling a truck. It would be slower that the paring ladder but would certainly get the job done. Many thanks for the feedback!
It's a very smart way.
The pillow felt good that night.
Woo the axe is very sharp n nice👍
Neat trick!
Very Cool 😎
Im building a Pairing Ladder... Asap
Still hard work, but pulling down is much easier on the back than pulling flat or upwards. Great technique! Are those new boots? I recall you stopping the axe with one. You are a real sharpshooter with an axe, far better than most, and use sound, proper technique. It was a great but scary reminder that anyone can have a slip, and proper safety wear is only as optional as you consider your appendages to be. Good to see you out doin' the stuff Todd!
Naw, same pair of boots. These things are still holding up and water tight. Danner rocks! I need to send them off to see what they can do with them. Really appreciate you're feedback, Sean! Means a lot, bud.
Nice idea! Thanks
Now add a few short rollers to the underside of the pulled log and away you go with much less effort and quicker movement of the log.
His Right eye is better than his left eye.. the Right side cuts are flat.. Left is bumpy... But still some
DEAD ON CUTS.. and
with a Big Ax. VERY Impressive chops..
Waoooo Arnold man ....
Watching from Nagaland
They used a very smiular method to move large slopes , sail boats across islands back in the day. Mind you more men and lots of rigging on a sail boat . Still amazing way of doing things
Great video & demonstration! You didn't mention, but anyone trying this method should know that , for best results, ALWAYS attach your cinch loop to the point of the trunk that was closest to the ground when it was standing! If you don't, n try to pull from the top of the log, you'll find yourself PLOUGHING that hillside with any branch stubs not cut flush with the trunk!
Add a few sections of logs to use as rollers under the big log and you've got a complete moving kit for more flat land application too.
At 3:45 in the video it looked at that point you where trying to move the log across more level ground with the arch. The problem is that the arch is too far forward of the log and would be better positioned over top of the first 1/3rd of the leading end with the arch leaning slightly back, tighten the anchor rope and then tie another pull rope to the top of the arch. When you pull the rope the arch will lift the log at the same time advancing it towards you in the direction your pulling it.
You need a pairing ladder for your pairing ladder :) Great work out!
Thank God for my Kubota loader
He is skilled 👌
A Big Salute
Very cool technique 🖒🖒
Thanks for sharing
Have you experimented with shortening the rope and attaching it lower onto your leveraging tool?
"That thing dont buck up on you? Gonna go for a ride" exactly what I was thinking
In ancient times, on at least two occasions--entire fleets of galleys were moved overland during wars using something like that--what I learned to call sheerlegs.
Excellent video. I’m planning to build one myself. I’ll be sure to post it up on the cordwood group. Do I spy cut resistant gloves? I feel like this is the first video I’ve seen you wear gloves. I haven’t had a chance to cut in mine yet although they feel sound and fairly comfortable. Even if yours aren’t cut resistant, they look to be of similar design. How do you like working in them?
Appreciate you sharing the stuff, Seth! Naw, those are just some cheap rubberized gloves I wear to increase my purchase on the ax handle when I'm sweating like a whore in church in Georgia heat and humidity. My hands get calloused and I opt for not using leather gloves in colder weather so I can feel the tool.
Survival Sherpa “sweating like Rosie O’Donnel at a girl scout meeting” I bet it gets hotter than Baptist hell down there. It’s been pretty mild here in western NC. Hunkering down for all this rain currently eeesh...
Like that bark stripper... Does is save back pain...vs...the two handled knife kind. Well... I think It would❤.
It takes a lot of work out of the process working upright. Thanks!
Archimedes is proud of you, my son...
Laying a few branch sections cross-ways under that log to get it up off the ground will enable it to slide a little easier in all of that tangled vegetation .
I do like to lay cribbing for logs and have even used rounds to move heavy stuff. This is the same principle we discussed for the gin pole. Only the gin won't be moving like this one.
Yes , the added applied force using that A-Frame setup could increase your pull by 4 times or more . A serious advantage when the going is tough . And skidding a log with the bark on it is tough going for sure . That rough bark acts like hundreds of fingers digging in and anchoring its edges on anything and everything it slides over . Removing the bark in place before skidding would also help the log sections slide or skid a little easier . Heavy Duty work regardless of the way or method one uses . Just goes to show people now days how tough it was 150 years ago when people were settling the wilderness , building a cabin or barn and creating a homestead . My advice back then would have been ,,, get a early start at first signs of Spring if your wanting your cabin finished by Winter . Cause it's not a quick , simple process .
Cool! Camouflage cargo kilt!
I wish every teenager had to do this for 6 weeks ! Talk about a mans work!
Another great video Todd. I love your ingenuity. Looks sort of like the arch that is on Mathew Cremara's trailer for pulling logs. I hope I'm spelling his name right. This invention will work to help me pull logs out of my firewood pile. Can't wait to visit some day.
I first saw a device like this used by a Russian building a log cabin. Then I saw "The Outsider" use one similar to this. Works really well for pulling logs out of a stack so I can grab it with Junior for hauling. Blake, I'll always have a spot on the porch for ya, buddy!
Great idea. It would provide even more mechanical advantage if the pulling rope was attached lower on the ladder.
Cool ladder bud
So the device is called a paring ladder and intended to hold wood for for working with a draw knife. I've seen one used by "The Outsider" on his channel, to pull logs and didn't know it had another use.
That's what its original purpose was. I saw a Russian use a similar device to lift heavy logs and thought my paring ladder would work. Thanks, Harold!
Awesome
If you lower the connection point of the rope to the ladder, does that increase the leverage advantage? 👍🏻
Paul White I would imagine it would because you’re moving it less per the same motion
That’s clever and you are a hard working man. If you were to cut some 4 to 6 inch limbs and place them under the log would that make it easier?
Would it be better to have a short strap. And a top of the log and get more leverage? But with shorter distans every time?
Love the camo skirt. Gotta be a survivalist
It’s a Kilt :)
Hi there. Really enjoying your videos. I was wondering if there are any books that you would recommend for a beginner who wishes to start learning the basics? Thanks
If you're referring to ax work, I highly recommend Dudley Cook's book, The Ax Book. The best resource in print I'm aware of for working axes. Thank you, sir.
@@SurvivalSherpa Thank you very much for your recommendation. I will look into purchasing a copy.
Now that's a kilt!
No it's not, it's a cammo skirt
@@hughjarce1636 Looks comfy anyways
Cargo Kilt at that!
Looks like hard work to me. Glad he was able to “fast forward” and so get it over quickly!!!!!!!!
I wonder what the force diagram would look like.
great!
Man, you logged a hard day's work. Wood you consider selling lumber, Jack?
That paring ladder is like the Griffin Pocket Tool of your base camp.
It has become a multitasker on this project for sure!
I've used this for lifting and lowering timberframes but never knew what it was called. We just called it an "A" frame
I use the same method to raise the mast on my sailboat and I have a lot of down timber gives me an idea on how to bring it out so it can be milled this is some good info
Wicked man I admire your genetics and determination.
As an old small engine mechanic I I can do that in 30 sec. With a chainsaw & the winch on my truck. I respect that you like to do things the hard way but what's the point? If I'm lost in the woods I'm not building a cabin...
Ps ppl keep talking about (Tarzan) how come he didn't have a beard?