If you mix in the special melee attack after a heavy with the mark 4, you'll be able to edge out even more DPS out of the weapon as it is a pretty much instant attack and if you're running Uncanny strike for the rending on weak spot hits, then you're already on 2 stacks for your second heavy attack. Honestly think the Mark 4 duelling sabre is the best melee weapon in the game and would pick it on every class if I could. It would absolutely destroy on a zealot or veteran :D
One saber is defensive... but is this a Blocking/Dodging Stuff contest? No. The other is offensive, then gave it a dumbass attack pattern. No. Mk IV is all that remains, and it reigns supreme.
pinging your enemy with your attack button is very confusing to your teammates and it's constantly changing your pinged target, which means that you can't actually ping a single target (e.g a sniper), use a another button for it, it's just much more effective
To each their own. I've never had a problem using my primary attack as a ping and it works very well. Better than the 90% of team-mates who mark nothing at all ;).
Mark 2 is my favorite simply because of its versatility. Instead of light attack spam I use light 1 heavy 2 (vanguard) loop for higher cleaves and wider swings. Against elites I use heavy 1 light 2 loop or heavy 1 special loop for high rending attacks. The stab from heavy 1 is slightly offset to the right, which takes some getting used to but is by no means inconsistent. Also, in case you didn't notice, Muties actually take more damage from Vanguards than Strikedowns.
No I did not notice that, I just find it much easier to double stab them, since it is two simple and consistent actions. Plus the one shot on the stab is very nice. In the field so I don't even need to combo with the Mk 4. If you like the Mk 2 go for it 😁👍. It sounds like it fits what you are looking for in a sword. Mine tends to be exclusively for that perfectly timed stab kill and then it's back to my staff or blitz.
In this video I learned the Mk V doesn’t cleave, is built for single target, AND completely sucks against armor. Damage is always better than defense in Darktide.
i already know that the mk4 is the best, i just wanted the see the comparison with the other 2 , and it goes so well with the kreig costume and the mk2 purgatus staff , all i wish is a skin with a wider blade on it , like a saber or something like that
i love this guide. the game doesn't really do a good job of explaining what each "family" of weapons is intended for. infantry vs recon vs hellbore on lasguns for example. and definitely does a bad job of describing the differences within that family. Mark 1a vs 4 vs 9, etc. You really have to play them all and figure it out yourself. So I appreciate this guide, helping explain the differences. looking forward to one for the other weapon families. Keep up the good work.
@@RealAsianRobot ah brilliant thanks! So maybe i'll make a request for each class and you pick what you'd like to do. Ogryn - Ripper Guns Psyker - force swords Zealot - shotguns Veteran - headhunter autoguns or hellbore lasguns
I think you gain a dash “charge” every set amount of time so as you do the 5 dashes you gain more charges making it feel like you have more. Just a guess
Yeah, it's probably me not pressing the button fast enough to expend it all in the meatgrinder. Hence why I was hoping someone else with mods could double check kek 😁✌️
Cleave Damage decrases damage falloff after hitting the first enemie. Cleave determines how many enemies/hitmass you can hit whit an attack. The MK V can hit just as many targets as the MK VI and II it just that evry enemie hit after the first takes barly any damage.
Yeah it's best against the first target though, because the second target takes barely anything so even if you hit it, you don't really do much. Technically still decent if single target is the focus though, but yes, thanks for the input 😁👍
Well, as of what weapons to cover next - same as with sabers. Do those that have a bunch of marks. Heavy swords, axes, cleavers, clubs, devil.claws etc
I was going to say the same thing - maybe it’s the classes I play but Devils Claw seems to drop more than any weapon in the game. I’d like to know which version is best!
I think you kind of allude to it, the Mk V is really about dealing with maniacs and unarmored. While making sure you have the mobility to dodge away from maulers, crushers and monstrosities. Pick good blessings that give/increase cleave, perks that help hit dmg breakpoints and you're golden. Edit: after looking into the blessings for the dueling swords, I see there are no cleave specific blessings. So i'd say rending and finesse then.
This video came up and I decided to give dueling swords another run, I only remember using them during to beta to zip around really fast. What a fucking sword, it’s actually super insane. I have the rending blessing and the crit blessing both at 4 (thank the omnissiah) and I shred through absolutely everything in the game, one shotting mutants with a stab to the face and managing entire waves by myself, not even crushers can stand a chance when I stack up shred. Makes it really hard to play my smite build because I really wanna stab everything in the face
Well I'm glad to bring the light to the Duelling Swords. They are currently the best swords for the Psyker after the Force Sword nerf, so I'm glad you're enjoying them :D
My friends didn't believe me so I just posted a video of my Mk IV Duelling, I don't think I will ever get a better roll. The only reason why I still play Darktide is to stab everything in the face with this sword!
I really wish there was slightly more variety in design of these. A dueling sword looking like a Rapier would be great (though I assume there are no such things anymor ein 40k...)
I use the flame staff and brain rupture so ive been looking at the melee for more utility then actually killing cause flame staff is good for hordes and brain rupture for armored. i've been between the combat knife and the chain sword for movement utility but im not sure if there would be a better utility option. cause the dueling sword is awesome but doesnt get much use in my usual set up
I recommend Mk IV then, it's great for Anti Mutie and Armor which is your primary threat. That or the Chain Sword would be your best bet. Honestly the knife is a death sentence for 80% of psykers unless you fall into the "really good" category.
I know you’ve said many times that Force swords don’t have infinite dodge’s anymore, but can you compare the 3 anyway? Someone with deep knowledge of the game and the ability to describe what the stats mean helps newer players. I’ve already recommended you to my 2 friends that play.
All of them cleave. The Mk 4 just has a cleave damage modifier. It can technically trigger rampage but not reliably, hence why most use uncanny strikes instead. You get way more damage with that.
Mk2 for armored units u use heavy+special combo, after special there will be thrust all the time, light attacks on mk2 deal more dmg to 2 and 3 targets and they are faster then mk4.For non armored elites u can use heavy+light combo, which is even faster then special+heavy. Also worth mentioning that special attack of all ds can stagger crushers, ragers and even mutants of its a weak spot hit.
Fair enough. Mk IV for me is easier to use, don't even have to worry about the Heavy + Special, but if you like the Mk II then go for it. Everyone always has their own feel for things and I think that's very important. Creates good diversity
@@RealAsianRobot yeah... people in discord call me pepega bcuz i like zealot bleed build T.T... it hurts my feeling...one day i am gona show them, i gona show them all!!!11 T.T
Perfect timing. I'm using psyker and level 12. I use force swords only I feel like a jedi haha. I love assail build rn I feel like Yondu from marvel's guardians of galaxy and I'm going hard on warp resistance. it is a hard character only cause you can't go over 100 and blow yourself up. That is usually what kills my team is when I lose control and they have to get me up. It's fine balance. I love the character tho
Force swords are too slow for upper level now, they are much worse than the dueling since you can one shot with dueling in damnation ;). I hope this helps you choose the right sword for you!
you can also try the chainsword. Both options are superior to force swords on assail / scryers gaze psykers, because they can be used with gaze and you can use them at critical peril without exploding. The mark 4 saber is arguably easier to use than the chainsword, but comes with the disadvantage of not being a chainsword 😢
Ali don't understand why the dueling swords are only available to psyker. They should be available to veteran and the zealot since veteran and zealot both have the same weapons
Interesting you didn’t show your current best roll transcendent mark 4. Are your ideal perks and blessings always the same or always dependent on the build you’re running. I know in another video you had said I think flak because it’s the most common armor type. Wondering which blessings I should be always going for or like the top 3 or so
The perks and blessings tend to be build based, but also this video is just to show what each sword within the weapon type can do and since potential blessings and perks are shared for any weapon type, I decided to do the test with base weapons instead. I leave the perks and blessings to the individual because some may not want to use the Mk IV like I do. Hence they might select different blessings to suit their sword of choice
I use maccabian mk IV with high stats and with IV Ripose and I can kill maulers and crushers in 1 to 2 hits with weak spot damage and flak dmage with soul blaze venting shark talent and can sometimes one shot muties with the right moment what I will do when an mauler comes to me when he about to strike his down then I doge and then I Wil my heavy attack on his face 2 times then the mauler dies then the next one
This is where mods would be useful for your testings. There is indeed a mod that shows dodges on screen. Besides that, I remember using a low stats Mk IV farming damnation to level up my psyker. Such a strong heavy that can one-shot pretty much anything non-special even with sub-par stats
Yes, but you know my policies ;). I welcome others to highlight things that I may not know well. That said, considering this game is out on console, Fatshark needs to know areas where they are deficient and must upgrade. For instance having duplicated stats that don't seem to reflect true value.
@@RealAsianRobot Knowing them (From Vermintide 1 and 2) they will not. I understand your views on mods, I also have mine, but if I can use mods that will waste less of my time (such as the ability to check all the shops in a matter of seconds, or jump from mission control to crafting table to Psychanium with a hotkey) well this is just quality of life to me. There are mods that I dislike though, like the Specialist HP bar, or the one that shows in text which specialist just spawned, so I don't use them ofc. To each their own.
@Jelloz104 neither lol. Dueling swords are the best choice, but I'll go into axes another day for sure 😁✌️. Right now though, dueling swords are honestly the hands down best choice for any Psyker player.
I'm sorry let me correct this. it does not affect flak it affects carapace. On a crusher with max uncanny strikes applied a 0% penetration mark IV dueling sword will only deal 1.068x damage. effectively penetration is your dump stat
that's why if you notice you were doing significantly more damage to the mauler with headshots on the MK IV irregardless of you hitting its weakspot the damage would still be significantly lower if penetration actually applied to flak. you were dealing about 600 damage per headshot on the carapace and about 400 via chest shot to the flak without rending strikes.
If you mix in the special melee attack after a heavy with the mark 4, you'll be able to edge out even more DPS out of the weapon as it is a pretty much instant attack and if you're running Uncanny strike for the rending on weak spot hits, then you're already on 2 stacks for your second heavy attack. Honestly think the Mark 4 duelling sabre is the best melee weapon in the game and would pick it on every class if I could. It would absolutely destroy on a zealot or veteran :D
Yup. It's one of the more advanced techniques that is very useful when you need to just kill off a target. Especially a mutie 😁✌️
You can also do this on the mark 2 I believe
@jimmylittle7916 yes
@@hoboofserenity imagine a zealot flying around the map with the ds mk 4 🤣 that would be so much fun!
So the MK IV Is literally just Saltzpyre's rapier? Obvious choice for those who have old habits then!
Never played Saltzpyre, but damn it's such a good sword tbh
@@RealAsianRobot My response to never having played saltzpyre: /watch?v=PbSWimlbRWE
One saber is defensive... but is this a Blocking/Dodging Stuff contest? No.
The other is offensive, then gave it a dumbass attack pattern. No.
Mk IV is all that remains, and it reigns supreme.
A video on the different staffs that the psyker can use would be fantastic.
There's literal hundreds of those.
I already have one up on my channel ;) would you like a link?
pinging your enemy with your attack button is very confusing to your teammates and it's constantly changing your pinged target, which means that you can't actually ping a single target (e.g a sniper), use a another button for it, it's just much more effective
To each their own. I've never had a problem using my primary attack as a ping and it works very well. Better than the 90% of team-mates who mark nothing at all ;).
Mark 2 is my favorite simply because of its versatility.
Instead of light attack spam I use light 1 heavy 2 (vanguard) loop for higher cleaves and wider swings.
Against elites I use heavy 1 light 2 loop or heavy 1 special loop for high rending attacks. The stab from heavy 1 is slightly offset to the right, which takes some getting used to but is by no means inconsistent.
Also, in case you didn't notice, Muties actually take more damage from Vanguards than Strikedowns.
No I did not notice that, I just find it much easier to double stab them, since it is two simple and consistent actions. Plus the one shot on the stab is very nice. In the field so I don't even need to combo with the Mk 4.
If you like the Mk 2 go for it 😁👍. It sounds like it fits what you are looking for in a sword.
Mine tends to be exclusively for that perfectly timed stab kill and then it's back to my staff or blitz.
That's not true. Strikedowns (the stab) do more damage than vanguards (the overhead sweep).
In this video I learned the Mk V doesn’t cleave, is built for single target, AND completely sucks against armor. Damage is always better than defense in Darktide.
It does cleave, just really badly LOL
i already know that the mk4 is the best, i just wanted the see the comparison with the other 2 , and it goes so well with the kreig costume and the mk2 purgatus staff , all i wish is a skin with a wider blade on it , like a saber or something like that
Fair enough haha. Well there are some that prefer other swords.
Skins for weapons available for free would be nice though
i love this guide. the game doesn't really do a good job of explaining what each "family" of weapons is intended for. infantry vs recon vs hellbore on lasguns for example. and definitely does a bad job of describing the differences within that family. Mark 1a vs 4 vs 9, etc. You really have to play them all and figure it out yourself. So I appreciate this guide, helping explain the differences. looking forward to one for the other weapon families. Keep up the good work.
Which would you like to see next? I'm willing to take on any suggestion
@@RealAsianRobot ah brilliant thanks!
So maybe i'll make a request for each class and you pick what you'd like to do.
Ogryn - Ripper Guns
Psyker - force swords
Zealot - shotguns
Veteran - headhunter autoguns or hellbore lasguns
@@robawtrob8399 sounds like a plan. I'll put it in my schedule and see what I can do. Ogryn class stuff won't be covered though sorry haha
@@RealAsianRobot not a fan of the big teddy bear guy i take it then? haha fair
@@robawtrob8399 mah I'm just not an ogryn player. Doesn't fit my style
I think you gain a dash “charge” every set amount of time so as you do the 5 dashes you gain more charges making it feel like you have more. Just a guess
Yeah, it's probably me not pressing the button fast enough to expend it all in the meatgrinder. Hence why I was hoping someone else with mods could double check kek 😁✌️
That is why I like to put my dodges on my mouse wheel since I use number keys and Q, Q. However I understand that it's awkward.@@RealAsianRobot
@@RealAsianRobotMod enjoyer here, this is the case. They all have 5 dodges before they become stale, then a few more before they’re even more stale.
@@xenophon5354 thanks for letting me know! I appreciate it!
I like the psyker because I don't have to aim. Near enough is good enough.
Lul, I love it for the spam I can cause 😈
Cleave Damage decrases damage falloff after hitting the first enemie.
Cleave determines how many enemies/hitmass you can hit whit an attack.
The MK V can hit just as many targets as the MK VI and II it just that evry enemie hit after the first takes barly any damage.
Yeah it's best against the first target though, because the second target takes barely anything so even if you hit it, you don't really do much.
Technically still decent if single target is the focus though, but yes, thanks for the input 😁👍
Well, as of what weapons to cover next - same as with sabers. Do those that have a bunch of marks. Heavy swords, axes, cleavers, clubs, devil.claws etc
I was going to say the same thing - maybe it’s the classes I play but Devils Claw seems to drop more than any weapon in the game. I’d like to know which version is best!
I think you kind of allude to it, the Mk V is really about dealing with maniacs and unarmored. While making sure you have the mobility to dodge away from maulers, crushers and monstrosities. Pick good blessings that give/increase cleave, perks that help hit dmg breakpoints and you're golden.
Edit: after looking into the blessings for the dueling swords, I see there are no cleave specific blessings. So i'd say rending and finesse then.
theres no cleave blessing, but i think rampage on a mk2 can tear hordes pretty well.
This video came up and I decided to give dueling swords another run, I only remember using them during to beta to zip around really fast.
What a fucking sword, it’s actually super insane. I have the rending blessing and the crit blessing both at 4 (thank the omnissiah) and I shred through absolutely everything in the game, one shotting mutants with a stab to the face and managing entire waves by myself, not even crushers can stand a chance when I stack up shred.
Makes it really hard to play my smite build because I really wanna stab everything in the face
Well I'm glad to bring the light to the Duelling Swords. They are currently the best swords for the Psyker after the Force Sword nerf, so I'm glad you're enjoying them :D
My friends didn't believe me so I just posted a video of my Mk IV Duelling, I don't think I will ever get a better roll.
The only reason why I still play Darktide is to stab everything in the face with this sword!
I really wish there was slightly more variety in design of these. A dueling sword looking like a Rapier would be great (though I assume there are no such things anymor ein 40k...)
Well, I would love I'd they added it as a free skin we could get with dockets
Use the V because it’s very similar to the saber I fence with irl, so, can’t not use it.
I use the flame staff and brain rupture so ive been looking at the melee for more utility then actually killing cause flame staff is good for hordes and brain rupture for armored. i've been between the combat knife and the chain sword for movement utility but im not sure if there would be a better utility option. cause the dueling sword is awesome but doesnt get much use in my usual set up
I recommend Mk IV then, it's great for Anti Mutie and Armor which is your primary threat.
That or the Chain Sword would be your best bet.
Honestly the knife is a death sentence for 80% of psykers unless you fall into the "really good" category.
I know you’ve said many times that Force swords don’t have infinite dodge’s anymore, but can you compare the 3 anyway? Someone with deep knowledge of the game and the ability to describe what the stats mean helps newer players. I’ve already recommended you to my 2 friends that play.
Sure, I will do it one of these days for SURE :)
So does MK4 cleave cus the description says the attacks only hit one target? Or rather, will the attacks Trigger Rampage?
All of them cleave. The Mk 4 just has a cleave damage modifier. It can technically trigger rampage but not reliably, hence why most use uncanny strikes instead. You get way more damage with that.
Thanks for the fast insight! Much appreciated!@@RealAsianRobot
@@MultiRoflkopter no worries mate
Infantry lasgun comparison. Love your videos.
Will give it a shot soon!
Mk2 for armored units u use heavy+special combo, after special there will be thrust all the time, light attacks on mk2 deal more dmg to 2 and 3 targets and they are faster then mk4.For non armored elites u can use heavy+light combo, which is even faster then special+heavy. Also worth mentioning that special attack of all ds can stagger crushers, ragers and even mutants of its a weak spot hit.
Personally mk2 is best for me.
Fair enough. Mk IV for me is easier to use, don't even have to worry about the Heavy + Special, but if you like the Mk II then go for it.
Everyone always has their own feel for things and I think that's very important. Creates good diversity
@@RealAsianRobot yeah... people in discord call me pepega bcuz i like zealot bleed build T.T... it hurts my feeling...one day i am gona show them, i gona show them all!!!11 T.T
Perfect timing. I'm using psyker and level 12. I use force swords only I feel like a jedi haha.
I love assail build rn I feel like Yondu from marvel's guardians of galaxy and I'm going hard on warp resistance. it is a hard character only cause you can't go over 100 and blow yourself up.
That is usually what kills my team is when I lose control and they have to get me up. It's fine balance. I love the character tho
Force swords are too slow for upper level now, they are much worse than the dueling since you can one shot with dueling in damnation ;).
I hope this helps you choose the right sword for you!
Thanks ill give it a try!
you can also try the chainsword. Both options are superior to force swords on assail / scryers gaze psykers, because they can be used with gaze and you can use them at critical peril without exploding.
The mark 4 saber is arguably easier to use than the chainsword, but comes with the disadvantage of not being a chainsword 😢
Ali don't understand why the dueling swords are only available to psyker. They should be available to veteran and the zealot since veteran and zealot both have the same weapons
A comparison between the recon lasguns would be good to see
Sounds good. I'll happily do one on that
Interesting you didn’t show your current best roll transcendent mark 4. Are your ideal perks and blessings always the same or always dependent on the build you’re running.
I know in another video you had said I think flak because it’s the most common armor type. Wondering which blessings I should be always going for or like the top 3 or so
The perks and blessings tend to be build based, but also this video is just to show what each sword within the weapon type can do and since potential blessings and perks are shared for any weapon type, I decided to do the test with base weapons instead.
I leave the perks and blessings to the individual because some may not want to use the Mk IV like I do. Hence they might select different blessings to suit their sword of choice
I use maccabian mk IV with high stats and with IV Ripose and I can kill maulers and crushers in 1 to 2 hits with weak spot damage and flak dmage with soul blaze venting shark talent and can sometimes one shot muties with the right moment what I will do when an mauler comes to me when he about to strike his down then I doge and then I Wil my heavy attack on his face 2 times then the mauler dies then the next one
This is where mods would be useful for your testings. There is indeed a mod that shows dodges on screen.
Besides that, I remember using a low stats Mk IV farming damnation to level up my psyker. Such a strong heavy that can one-shot pretty much anything non-special even with sub-par stats
Yes, but you know my policies ;). I welcome others to highlight things that I may not know well.
That said, considering this game is out on console, Fatshark needs to know areas where they are deficient and must upgrade. For instance having duplicated stats that don't seem to reflect true value.
@@RealAsianRobot Knowing them (From Vermintide 1 and 2) they will not.
I understand your views on mods, I also have mine, but if I can use mods that will waste less of my time (such as the ability to check all the shops in a matter of seconds, or jump from mission control to crafting table to Psychanium with a hotkey) well this is just quality of life to me.
There are mods that I dislike though, like the Specialist HP bar, or the one that shows in text which specialist just spawned, so I don't use them ofc. To each their own.
@@LionKingGod yeah, I just don't cause this is my job and folks hire me because I showcase their game as is kek.
But yes, some are super helpful
Ogryn club/maul and zelot hammer/maul
If I ever start playing an Ogryn, I'll try :D
What about axes?
Sure, I can do one on those? Combat or Tac?
@@RealAsianRobot whichever you think has the more viable one for Psyker. Thanks.
@Jelloz104 neither lol. Dueling swords are the best choice, but I'll go into axes another day for sure 😁✌️.
Right now though, dueling swords are honestly the hands down best choice for any Psyker player.
@@RealAsianRobot yeah, I know. But axes look cool. Haha
@@Jelloz104 fair call 🤣🤣
Heavy sword video please good sir
I have not started on the Zealot yet, but I'll be open to it in future!
IV, no contest.
For me, that's the case haha. I just love the stabs too much
Just so you know the penetration stat on dueling swords is bugged and does not apply to carapace armor.
I'm sorry let me correct this. it does not affect flak it affects carapace. On a crusher with max uncanny strikes applied a 0% penetration mark IV dueling sword will only deal 1.068x damage. effectively penetration is your dump stat
that's why if you notice you were doing significantly more damage to the mauler with headshots on the MK IV irregardless of you hitting its weakspot the damage would still be significantly lower if penetration actually applied to flak. you were dealing about 600 damage per headshot on the carapace and about 400 via chest shot to the flak without rending strikes.
@boxforusa8970 thanks for this, it's good to know penetration is bugged I will see if I can confirm this in a separate test on my own 😁👍
@@RealAsianRobot oh also the cleave stat is also bugged in a similar manner and does not affect flak.
Why look at that :)