Why These Alabama Voters Are Sticking By Roy Moore (HBO)
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- Update May 19 2021: VICE News produced a series of seven panels moderated by Frank Luntz from December 2017 to January 2019. Recently, it was reported that Luntz was on Ted Cruz’s reelection campaign payroll in 2018. VICE News was unaware of this affiliation, and Luntz did not disclose this information at the time of these productions.
These are the views of twelve conservative voters who gathered inside a Birmingham coffee house Thursday for a candid discussion about the senate race in their state. Voters dismissed many of the allegations against Moore - while saying behavior that was acceptable in Alabama decades ago shouldn’t be measured by modern standards.
“Forty years ago in Alabama, there's a lotta mamas and daddies that would be thrilled that their 14 year-old was getting hit on by a district attorney,” one voter said. “There was still clothes on,” another voter said of the first allegations against Moore. “As soon as the girl said she wasn't comfortable, he took her home.”
The panel was compiled and moderated by Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster well known for arranging focus groups with GOP voters.
This segment originally aired Dec. 8, 2017, on VICE News Tonight on HBO.
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“there’s a lot of parents that’d be thrilled if their 13, 14 year olds were getting hit on by a district attorney”
- Someone in Alabama
Crazy, right. 😯
That line shock me. Any older man that approaches a teenager only wants sex.
In the U.S. men have sex with 13 year old girls & their mothers are O,K, with this!. What a depraved country!
😂😂🤦🏽♀️
That makes me feel nauseous. Sick perverts. I wonder what child crimes these men and women have done to little kids?
“40 years ago in Alabama!” Dude that was 1977... Not the fuckin 1800’s
Joe Byrne lmaooo
But in Alabama apparently it was still the fuckin 1800's--because they have been really slow to keep up with the rest of the country on this issue.
While the rest of the country was doing coke in the back of a disco, Alabama was........discovering electricity, maybe?
5:33 It's always good to hear from an old white lady that racism was solved a while back.
It's like how old white people love to talk about how much more respect and decency we had in the 1940s and 1950s. I'd like for one of them to ask an elderly African American how respected he/she felt back then.
"Why are there no black people?"
"Welcome to Alabama"
Me: ..... wow..
@@brokenking5044 Birmingham has the 4 the highest black population in the United States and 1 million blacks
Hilarious. Yep they will do it everytime. " I don't see a problem, they see just fine, the evil hearts won't let em. Racism in deep in them and circumstances gives them the opportunity to release it.
@@brokenking5044 Probably that investigator that framed 46 black residents for crimes they never committed got them too. They found he went after blacks who were on their jobs for years and decent folks. But God blocked that devil ! Lol
the lady who kept asking why the women didn't say anything is the same lady who said 'i never said anything' when it happened to her...? girl, really?
In fact, she was PROUD that she had relations with a 31yo while she was 16.
I can only imagine how her teenage daughter would act.
"There's a lot of moms and dads that be thrilled their 14 year old to be hit on by district attorney" This country is full of sick people.
lol Cali is currently trying to lower age of consent to 14, its 12 in mexico... Haha talk to the libs about that. This is a JOKE
But YES it GROSSS and FOWL
Harpo II Stop lying. He said 40 years ago.
That was the most disgusting thing I heard out of all this nonsense. And to think, she's a mother saying that.
Wrong. Marriage is possible with 16 with parental and judicial consent in many states. I dont agree with it, but taking the man out of context is just not right. He wasnt talking about himself in the present tense and how he sees it. He was talking about how people were seeing it back then. So implying that this voters are "sick" is just a lie because he was talking about their grandparents.
Hitting up 13 year olds was not acceptable 40 years ago by no means.
in the more *farmland areas* probably
Flabergasted listening to these people. Such extraordinary ignorance. Congrats to Doug Jones!
welp, im glad roy more lost...
Why?? Do you like most of your community being stuck in failing schools? Do you enjoy the absent fathers and high crime rate? Look around everywhere Democrats are there is sorrow. Ask yourself why as soon as possible do blacks move from Dem. districts? Yet still vote dem. I know it's hard to admit but you've been played.
bye girl. I said what I said in my nene voice.
Aaron if you really want to know what White liberals think of you do some research on Margeret Sanger. Founder of Planned Parenthood and to this day an honored Democrat. Hillary won The Sanger award just last year. One of her most famous quotes compares blacks to weeds that must be eliminated... No shit
I know all about that and have done plenty of research. Thanks and talk to you later... bye 👋🏾
I'm glad I watched this video after Doug won. Otherwise I would've thought Alabama is lost to brainless zombies. There is hope in this world. Hallelujah.
"I wouldn't wait 38 years to tell it." YOU-JUST-DID! LOL!!
Man, I was thinking the same thing. So, by her logic, we can assume she is a lier who never had that experience.
Lmfao.
I was disappointed the interviewer didn't call her out on that
bigbowlowrong
Me, too.
I thought the same thing! Thanks man!
Only in America, it's frightening to think that these people are allowed to breed.
Serious question -- what is with all these quasi-religous excuses they're vomiting up?
Catholic here -- I always thought the idea of repenting and forgiveness meant you actually had to REPENT and ASK for forgiveness? And then changing your behaviour would be nice too.
Yep, can't repent about something you don't even admit doing!
zammmerjammer +
+Bath House Becky Not quite. Only if you leave patriarchy out of your consideration.
zammmerjammer Evangelicals don’t believe in formal sacramental repentance - it’s very much a “me and Jesus” matter. This lack of an incentive to confess sins, combined with rugged individualism, may perhaps be why American Evangelicals can do really, really stupid things and still not be questioned. Then again, American Evangelicalism has become a right-wing political super PAC, not a genuine body of Christ.
Fake hypocritical Christians AKA hypochristians. There’s a ton of them in the American South, including Alabama.
That one dude is acting like 1980 was 1880. Teenage girls, in general, WERE NOT marrying men in their 30s and having babies at 15.
In the backwoods, they screw their daughters before they go out to vote for the church's candidate of choice.
I drove through Alabama once, there's a monument, (plaque) every hundred yards, commemorating some confederate soldier. They can't afford bus lines for the people of Alabama, but they can afford all these useless monuments. That pretty much sums up Alabama.
chris casey Amen! Could they go ahead and secede from the rest of the country. That's what they wanted and at this point, I'm more than okay with that.
Alabama probably did not foot the bill for most of those statues. The daughters of the confederacy probably paid for most, of not all, of them.
😉
I live here but I rarely see confederate statues. Idk maybe it’s because I’m in a bigger city like Birmingham.
Those monuments were built as memorials by the children and grandchildren of Confederate Civil War veterans 130 years ago which was before buses had been invented. I ride the bus all around town and to and from work every day in the city of Birmingham and have all my life. I also rode an interstate bus from Birmingham, AL to Chattanooga, TN once. Also, in Birmingham, we have almost no Confederate memorials because our city was founded after the war. We had one small one at a downtown park that commemorated Civil War veterans alongside WWI and WWII veterans but it was removed in recent years. Most of our historical monuments in the city commemorate the Civil Rights movement.
Thank God my mom got us out of Alabama
You are really lucky you dodged that!
The state itself is not the problem; it’s the crazy people like Moore within the state.
Alabama. Birthplace of the toothbrush. If it was invented any place else, it would have been called a teeth brush
I can feel the heat of this roast
Perfect
pavanatanaya 😅🤣😝😜
ohhh shit son. too funny
you stole that from Charles Barkley. nice try
you are now entering Alabama.....turn you clock back 100 years
The state of Alabama is
#44 in Education
#45 in Economy
#47 in Healthcare
#47 in Obesity
#49 in Infant Mortality
#42 in Crime
And yet without fail the people of that state continue to put the exact same people in power. I don't even know if they expect change or if they're just comfortable living in what is continually statistically one of the worst states you could live in.
I thought it was because of resources and lack of corporations? thats why africa is failing and has the last 2000 years, I have been told.
quezcatol You seem quite obsessed with things that aren't about what this video is about. This video isn't about Africa. It's not about black people. And it's not about Muslim's. It's about American's attempting to justify pedophilia simply because the person accused happens to be from the same party as their own.
#6 in African American population per capita.
@@piotrsieminski well the whites keep voting the republicans in. I wonder what they have done 🤨
Luckily most idiots in Alabama don't even know how many states are there, so they don't even understand your statement.
The combined IQ of the group is about 12
wanna bet? That's the scary thought. Plus, the most bat shit of the bunch was a hairdresser, imagine the pearls of wisdom you'd pick up if you hung out in that place for a couple hours!
😂😂😂
That high?
12 too high.
I'd say 10 at the most.
Wow. Just fucking wow... This video is a sad commentary on the human condition, especially in Alabama. *Lord forgive them, for they know not what they do...*
You took the words right out of my mouth...Just wow, man...
Lord is one of the reasons why they're like this
this is why these people were selected. it is a twilight zone ish commentary on the most racist and close minded individuals in Alabama. That is the only reason they got picked for this focus group not for anything other than their racism and ignorance which makes hella good television.
edward John exactly... these people are a fucking evil, racist AF DISGRACE!! So, so glad that monster lost.
Oh, they know exactly what they are doing!!! keeping the quota. Filthy Dixie possums.
This is one of the most frighting videos I have ever watched
I watched this segment in disbelief at the same time saying, "are you serious?"
This is actually pretty tame for the modern rightwing. Conservatism is truly a mental illness.
This is what more than two decades of Fox News and right wing radio has done to this country.
These people are much less conservative than their grandparents.
Plus a failed school system along with giving way to much power to the church leaders
Wow i feel dumber after watching that. Those people are living in the 50's.
good point
I really like this interviewer, he asked hard questions but also sat and listened to their (albeit dumb) answers
He's Frank Luntz, one of the top republican pollsters and focus group experts in the country.
These weren't good questions at all. It was out of the Saul Alinsky playbook... Predictable to anyone with a brain.
"we didn't have racial problems after the 80's".... UM WHAT???
Not until that uppity black man became president!
C Cato Oh Honey... Did I even mention Obama..?
Wait didn't that woman say she hadn't told anyone about her experience as a 16 year old, but then thinks that it is suspicious these women have been silent for so many years...? The timing isn't suspicious at all. Many people have broken their silence this year and helped to empower each other. Why wouldn't you speak out if your abuser was running for congress?
JimmyJimGardner The accusations are proven fake.
@NeoTheOne I certainly don't have first hand knowledge that the claims are true, but I've yet to see reputable evidence proving them false. I feel like this is just another example of people letting their political polarity outweigh any objective evaluation of the facts or evidence. Apparently, it is easier to believe that a sinister organization is secretly paying women to make accusations than to believe that a single member of your own political party could actually be a dirtbag.
No, they are not.
NeoTheOne cite the court ruling proving it or any of the accusations fake!
a c
Dear Vice. Please do a follow-up on these folks after tonight's stunner. Hehehe
NeoTheOne@ Keep crying :'D
NeoTheOne You lost, get over it.
I would love to see these fools faces right now lol!
To the guy who said that 40 years in Alabama, grandpa and grandma “would of been trilled to get hit on my a district attorney”, what a ignorant CREEP!!!
aelohim torres When I saw that part I actually couldn't believe that they had just said that on camera, if it was such an okay thing to do why was he banned from the Mall? 😂
TheHawkBubble exactly!!!
Yeah, they simultaneously try to deny the behavior (because they know it's wrong) while sanctioning it in context ("It was ages ago!"). And these Christian fucknuts are the ones who supposedly abhor moral relativism.
aelohim torres they should check that guys passport he's probably been to Thailand a few times
his not a creep his a regular alabamian
Lol white guy accused, let's not jump to conclusions. Black guy accused, he definitely did it!
Dude you beat me to it . Was just about to say that .
Dragon 1717 NEVER FORGET EMETT TILL
I didn't know Al Franken was black.
Well I wonder how they feel now...
LOL, that's what I wonder too.
They feel however Fox News tells them to feel.
Frank: 97% of Black African American will vote for Doug Jones. Turned out to be True and the difference.
Not sure what hurts more, my face or my palm.
notice they always come back to soros and bill clinton and obama..they just can't stop themselves...these people are narrow minded cretins...
What's good for the Goose-
Yes they always blame soros
Where is that anger when the. Koch brothers attempted to by the presidency
"Where is the EVIDENCE for Roy Moore allegations? We can't just accuse people willy nilly."
"This is a George Soros smear campaign!"
They literally made both those arguments at the same time.
Anthony Lalama
THE PROOF THAT HE WAS 35 YEARS OLD WHEN HE STARTED F*CKING HIS WIFE IN WHICH SHE WAS ONLY 17 YEARS OLD!
DUDE AT 2:30 NEED TO BE KILLED!!
I can't believe it... I finally found a video where Frank Luntz wasn't the worst person in the room. I never thought that would happen.
There is no hope for the willfully ignorant.
Banter Board
So true, and "willfully" is the key word. Thank you for your comment.
This is the same state that wouldn't let black people into the state university system in the 1960's. The federal government had to send the national guard down there to get them in the doors.
Fleur Bandito Not only that, its very likely that these are the same people that were yelling at those black students, theyre the right age and location.
oh god didn't even think of that. Disturbing af :(
7:00 an abortion at 9 months is not called an abortion. It's called a delivery. This woman is incredibly ignorant.
Kivaras lol
4:38 I was wondering how long it was gonna take before someone blamed this on George Soros.
Roy Moore Lost HAHAHAHA
40 years ago it was okay for a 30+ year old MAN to hit on a 14 year old CHILD?
Oh and the parents would have been proud if this?
C’mon I️ rather you just say that there’s NOTHING he couldn’t have done that would make you vote against your party.
There is a saying in Georgia…
"The only good thing to ever come out of Alabama was I-20 "
that is probably the truth.
Damn right lol
and Willie Mays
Just released by AL press... In a poll released less than 24 hours before the polls open on Tuesday, Moore has seized a 9-point lead over Democrat Doug Jones. ALABAMA WILL VOTE FOR ROY MOORE!!
Forest Gump.
5:49 new world record before blaming Obama👏👏👏
thanks Obama for bringing back racism smh
Belle d'Afrique There’s a reason mixed kids get given to their non-white side. That shit is tainted blood.
Belle d'Afrique
Well stated, thank you.
The election was rigged.
And none of them look like people I would want to be friends with. If he is a good Christian, I hate to see what a bad Christian looks like.
More reasons to increase education budget.
I SECOND THIS MOTION. NOT only it needs to increase, but also modified.
Yes more money for education in Alabama, more private bible schools publicly funded.
And yes I am being sarcastic.
But with Devos at the head whatever increase to an education budget will be kicked back to her family.
Maybe if they'd stop voting down the education lottery. Fun story: the only reason Alabama has voted down the education lottery 4 times was at the behest of Robert Bentley ... The now resigned governor who left office to avoid impeachment bc of a sexual scandal of adultery. But lotteries are bad.... Lotteries are immoral.
Only in fucking Alabama. Someone please hire me outside of this wretched state. I can't take it much longer.
If Roy Moore was a Muslim .....
lol
What will they say if their kids got molested by him
Best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter
This is so disgusting. We'd be thrilled to have a district attorney hit on our 14 year old daughter? really? This from a guy who looks like he is a lifetime subscriber of children's porn.
Normal does not equal good. If it really were normal back then, that doesn't make him moral.
Exactly right! We have learned as a Nation that allowing children to marry and be impregnated by adults is wrong.
"If we don't stand... for conservative policies, then we've lost anyways." Oh, the irony...
it sucks having to living 10 minutes away from the most racist reddest state in the country.
I live in Florida for those who are legally blind
Diego Guillen
I dunno, man. Mississippi is a heavy contender. I'm from Alabama (Mobile), and I get anxious when thinking about going to Missisippi.
This is identity politics, defined.
Oh my God, these people are so backwards!
Woodland Faerie yes, well that’s what you get after too many generations of inbreeding
OH Yeh! Watch the video.
Anything but, "I'm voting for Roy Moore because I don't care about anything or anyone else. The concerns of the white race is what matters most."
Vice News:
PLEASE do a follow up video, where you interview PoC's in that local area, and ask THEM about 'race relations' in Alabama, and why they DIDN'T vote for roy moore.
Thank you.
This was really truly hard to watch. They’re heads are stuck far up there asses that they can’t see reality. I feel bad for there daughters. I mean I’m sure they punish there daughters for a older man touching them, “like why did you fight him off you? You should feel good that a man with a good job wanted to touch you!” Lol.. 🤦🏾♀️
nick smith
How sick is that?
Unbelievable!. This is the mindset of our fellow "Christian" Alabamians. Please never talk to us about your so-called "Christian values" again. We now know you don't follow or believe the principal you preach.
Have you ever heard or watch someone start their sentence with "As a Christian...?" I get uneasy and uncomfortable every time I hear it. I guess it depends on the context how you apply it. But geez...
I look back on this video as a great example of cognitive dissonance.
when you don't teach any critical thinking/analytical skills in school.
"accusation without evidence doesn't mean fact", yet turn around and accuse these women are paid, yet without any evidence. People choose to believe in what they believe.
Comment Machine lol
but Alex Jones and Sean Hannity said they were paid! that obviously makes it true....
Comment Machine
Gloria Allred.
Nothing like selling the souls of your children to Satan.
halima peru wow.
38 years ago, it was the early 1980’s. There wasn’t an epidemic of 13, 14 year olds getting married en masse...
She said the woman still had clothes on what difference does make
smh
They save them in the womb... But once that baby comes out its open Hunting Season
Pro-life organizations are one of the largest sources of support for single mothers and their children in America, from free maternity clinics to free food and child care.
As an American this makes me sad.
Wow, you can call names. Bravo sir, you are obviously a gentleman and a scholar.
Why?
Jones won!!! I would love to swim in the tears of these folks 😂
Lauren Weir same... I wish I could’ve been there just to see the devastation and tears when their monster lost 😂😂😂
Lauren Weir What a huge relief! Gives me a sliver of hope for humanity. But I would not want these peoples' tears touching me, they are so disgusting. LOL
I love how they contradict themselves immediately after what ever they say.
The amount of facepalms...and jaw drops I just had to go through......-_-
I feel you.
This is incredible. A time capsule.
OMG! I think you hit the nail on the head as you say at the end of the video: they are not following Jesus, they are self -righteous, prideful, and ignorant.
Great work Alabama. I underestimated your state and am happy to be proven wrong.
My question to the panel is what did you think of Bill Cosby after the allegations against him?
OH Yeh! You're incapable of understanding the deeper meaning of my question.
Makes Florida look normal.
Tim Armstrong # IM FROM FLORIDA AND THEY ARE JUST AS BAD HERE THEY ELECTED GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT TWICE ALL WHILE KNOWING THAT HE ROBBED THAT STATE OF FLORIDA OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ITS CRAZY BUT ITS REAL AND THESE KIND OF PEOPLE IN THIS VIDEO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE UR BOSS AT WORK PUT THIS WAY I WORK AT A SO CALLED PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY AND THE N-WORD IS THROWN AROUND LIKE A FOOTBALL AND EVERYONE JUST TURNS A BLIND EYE AND EAR TO IT#SOOOO SAD
Thank you VICE and Frank Luntz, this was very insightful seeing what's behind people's decisions to vote for an awful candidate
I'm so happy my family, friends, and I canceled all their pathetic votes out.
"40 Years ago in Alabama there's a lot mommas and daddies that'd be thrilled that their 14-year-old was getting hit on by a district attorney." .......... It's a compliment when Hillary said these people were deplorable.
Yeah.
Wow. The Ignorance is mindboggling. There is not one valid answer by any of them that makes you go, hmmm they could have a point. None.
Im wondering why the host was asking THEM why black people won't vote for Moore. He should be asking black people that question.
the bigger blonde lady had a good point when asked about blacks supporting doug jones by a 97% clip. She said that it tells her that roy moore didn't do a good job appealing to them.
I don't know how intellectual she is... but she didn't blame democrats or blacks... she blamed her own party and candidates failing to appeal to a different demographic. She was unfortunately the only positive thing in this whole thing.
Oh, and the guy that never speaks was also a bright spot, i think he went into the discussion thinking he'll vote for roy.... and after hearing these crazy fucks speak i think he realized he doesn't want to be associated with these fucks.
You can see his face @2:48 on the right side of the screen with a look of disbelief when the guy says 'it'd be an honor for a DA to molest your 14 year old daughter 40 years ago.'
You can watch him throughout the segment, he clearly doesn't agree with what these crazy fucks are saying most of the time.
The lady who said Moore didn't do a good job appealing to black voters started down the road of understanding, but quit two steps into a 10-mile walk. It seems likely that if she pursued her thought a little further, she'd find a way to blame black voters for not allowing themselves to fall for Moore's bullshit.
I don't think I'll be able to sleep after this. Omg.
😂😂😂😂 I’d love to see a post interview 😂😂😂😂
If it was normal for 14 year olds to be hit on by grown men back then, why was he banned by the mall. These people are sick. And lady, kist because you were raped at 16 and still haven’t come to terms with the fact that you were in fact raped by a grown man, doesn’t make it OK. I’m from NYC, and I’ve been hit on by grown men since I was 13. And the idea turns my stomach. Those men were criminals preying on naive little girls.
She made a note of the date, the signature is all Roy.
She added the date. Thats all... If it was a total fabrication, why would she say she added anything. The man said himself when describing how he met his wife, in his book... That the first time he saw her was at her dance recital at 14 years old. What GROWN MAN with no children, goes to 14 year old girl's dance recitals??? True enough, none of these women have rock solid, stain on the dress proof of anything he did, but the evidence adds up. His own words "I only dated permission from their mothers". If you're in your 30s and dating adult women, why would you need to ask their mom's permission.
The icing on the cake is what he said yesterday about when he thinks America was great... When we had slavery. This man is a creep on every possible level, and its horrifying that this election is even close.
This is easily one of the most frustrating and disturbing videos I have seen in a while.
castroy64 wait I’m sorry what does this even mean
castroy64 nothing...???? No explanation here? Nice.
Terrifying.
Glad to be in Canada.
Liam McNamara please help me get up there. I feel like I’m trapped in a very real dictatorship.
LMFAO “HE HAS MORE INTEGRITY THAN ANYONE” WOW THATS A BOLD STATEMENT.
Old guy in the front definitely hit on 14 year olds.
Wow I always thought people just exaggerated about people from Alabama but it's true, pretty sad.
SmokeBox And there is also a warm freshwater bacteria common to the South that knocks an average 11 IQ points of off country folk.
Franz Aussie The Democrats in Alabama are blacks who are voting for free stuff for themselves.
Franz Aussie I guess you are right let me change it to "conservative in Alabama"
I love how the very last shot is the sign of BIRMINGHAM that killed me.😂😂
Abortion at 9 months? What the hell is she smoking?
"Do they believe a baby should be aborted at 9 months?" true intelligence right here
They often don't care if an adult get condemned to death for a crime he/she didn't commit. They don't care if parents can't afford food, cloths & education for their child. They don't care if a child dies because the parents couldn't afford medical help. They probably say, that was God's will.
"If we don't stand for conservative policies, then we've lost anyway." Not everyone is a conservative. These people are like a dog on a bone, they think it's the only thing in the world. It's gross.
C B lmao you can't say that when pretty much every African votes Democrat EVERYTIME (90%+) while whites and even alabmians usually are at leasst split around 60/40
C B it's a frame of mind that literally depends on ignorance, in order to fuel their fear of the unknown
I would’ve first ask them what are conservative policies. The host is way too easy on them.
C B The moderator should have asked, "Okay, so what exactly are these conservative values and policies we would have gotten from Roy Moore and contrast them with Doug Jones's agenda." I guarantee you would have gotten stunned silence.
These people are ready to forgive an accused pedofile all because they are so dead set against abortion, but the cowardice comes in the fact that none of them admit it.
Jones won!
Gabriel Garcia Ruiz Nope, proven rigged election!
NeoTheOne lol okay
I died twice watching this💀☠️💀☠️💀
Where were these people when Cosby was accused?
...Cosby was running for Senate?! When?
"Innocent until proven guilty for judge Moore. But all his accusers were paid although we have no evidence whatsoever"
Democrats play dirty, it's pretty widely known that they consistently hire people for this shit.
Why do all these people look related??
That's because they are . They all intermarried with family members
Seeing so many brilliant people together at once was really breathtaking.
😂
As some from and living in Alabama...not everyone here is like these people. The older generation is largely like this, though.
I have to get out of here.
We hear you. Today the world outside Alabama is glad to find out at least half of you are good people.
Where is the decency with this Christians in Alabama state?shame on you.
They never had any.
"There's a lot of mamas and daddies that'd be thrilled that their fourteen year old was getting hit on by a district attorney" How can that be an actual thought that a person has
Somebody should check and make sure that man hasn’t been to Thailand.
If this was mental gymnastics competition and I were the judge I'd rate this a 10 out of 10. Some of these flips in logic is worthy of a gold medal!