Why GTA 5's Grove Street is different from the one in GTA San Andreas

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  • čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
  • How did the Ballas take over Grove Street?
    Today we dive into the infamous Grove Street. and how it could've been taken over by Ballas!
    Grove Street is one of only a couple of named streets retained from the 3D Universe rendition of Los Santos along with the iconic Vinewood Boulevard.
    Contrary to the separation of the universe renditions, reference is made in Grand Theft Auto V to the street's prior appearance in the 3D Universe in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. According to Lamar Davis, most of the Grove Street Families OGs eventually moved on with their lives, and possibly became rich. Grove Street retains a legendary and almost mythical reputation among some residents of Los Santos, such as Jimmy De Santa, due to "events in the nineties" as Franklin Clinton puts it when hanging out with Jimmy. Ballas members may also be heard shouting "The Families were kicked out ages ago".
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Komentáře • 605

  • @Ignacythedude-oc7wd
    @Ignacythedude-oc7wd Před 11 měsíci +1620

    i wish gta5 also had gang wars so as Franklin you can retake grove street

    • @philcollinsvevo7106
      @philcollinsvevo7106 Před 11 měsíci +243

      Yes and also recruiting members and being able to drive around with families

    • @siriso007
      @siriso007 Před 11 měsíci +192

      @@philcollinsvevo7106 that what made San Andreas one of the best games ever , and to this day you still can’t do that in a GTA game

    • @cavalierliberty6838
      @cavalierliberty6838 Před 11 měsíci +261

      Well, Franklin hated being a gang banger, so...

    • @loedraco0077
      @loedraco0077 Před 11 měsíci +90

      That wouldn't work like that since he from a whole different set of the families and they not grove street ogs there's only a few

    • @Lupo32
      @Lupo32 Před 11 měsíci +159

      The whole point was Franklin left that life behind.

  • @NoMercyFederation1
    @NoMercyFederation1 Před 4 měsíci +292

    The worst change is the fact the whole south LA area is shrunk down to basically just grove st and the streets around it. In san andreas half the los santos map was based on south & east LA. In gta 5 its damn near not existant. Which is wack to me.

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 4 měsíci +64

      Yeah that was silly asf the city smaller than the country towns 💀 like what!

    • @contra7631
      @contra7631 Před 3 měsíci +15

      I mean you cant really expect much it was ps3 game.Also I kinda agree they could make the city side a bit more bigger.They made the countryside too big.

    • @NoMercyFederation1
      @NoMercyFederation1 Před 3 měsíci +52

      @@contra7631 nawwl fam if a ps2 game could give me the whole hood plus the rest of LA plus the country...plus san fransisco and Vegas with an entire desert and a 2nd countryside that includes a whole mountain.....than a ps3 game should have been able to handle it ijs 🤣😔

    • @contra7631
      @contra7631 Před 3 měsíci +6

      @@NoMercyFederation1 Thats because you dont know how tech works.Games like Gta has higher resolution.Higher resolution+texture=bigger game size.Ps2 games were very lower textures+resolution so the game size wasnt much higher so they could easily cram alot things into their game and make the world bigger.

    • @NoMercyFederation1
      @NoMercyFederation1 Před 3 měsíci +27

      @@contra7631 but according to the internet the gta 5 los santos map is bigger than the entire san andreas map with all 3 cities and country sides. I still think they could have handled south & east LA being the size they were in San andreas and even if it was at the cost of some of that useless oversized country area.
      (P.s. i'm a videographer & editor i understand this stuff perfectly fine. I just don't agree that it was due to limitations but more to bad decision making. Like we both said, the country side was bigger than it needed to be)

  • @KevinCofDE
    @KevinCofDE Před 11 měsíci +574

    My thoughts. CJ had all the other ventures. He left them behind. Sweet got shot by a balla and the rival gang took over the grove. With the members who didn’t want to drop their flags having an open position as a head you started seeming more sets show up (around 1999 after sweet was shot and CJ keeping up with the casino partnership and maddogg’s career.) thus you have families dealin and striving for dominance

    • @Ballafalife28
      @Ballafalife28 Před 10 měsíci +15

      Excellent theory

    • @X-Gaming2003
      @X-Gaming2003 Před 10 měsíci +9

      I don't think cj would have ever abandoned the gang

    • @X-Gaming2003
      @X-Gaming2003 Před 10 měsíci +11

      Especially not if sweet was killed that would make him more committed to the gang than ever

    • @nonope4307
      @nonope4307 Před 9 měsíci +39

      @@X-Gaming2003 Man cj only helped sweet take back the grove gang at that time because HIS brother wanted him to, Cj was a REAL buster, he was raised different than sweet, he had more ideas and more life to complete, plus he already got his dream at the end, he had alot of money and even owned 50/50 of the most popular casino in las ventura

    • @SupportGamin2024
      @SupportGamin2024 Před 4 měsíci +22

      ​@@X-Gaming2003CJ wouldn't care about pointless street beef at this point,its pointless

  • @Ghostyx_dz
    @Ghostyx_dz Před 11 měsíci +511

    I think CJ left the gang life because he got older and realized gang isn’t worth it and left with his sister and I think Caesar left the gang life too and moved to San fierro. And CJ as you notice CJ owns his own toothpaste he probably left and began making new things and making new companies.

    • @Hebrew-Nation1
      @Hebrew-Nation1 Před 11 měsíci +28

      So much potential wastes from roc star

    • @victornewman-jc6lp
      @victornewman-jc6lp Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@Hebrew-Nation1 what wastes?

    • @victornewman-jc6lp
      @victornewman-jc6lp Před 11 měsíci +4

      You cannot leave the gang life

    • @Ghostyx_dz
      @Ghostyx_dz Před 11 měsíci +52

      @@victornewman-jc6lp well he did he had lot of money to move his entire family out the hood.

    • @SupportGamin2024
      @SupportGamin2024 Před 4 měsíci +42

      ​​@@victornewman-jc6lpactually you can leave the gang life,there's plenty of people that made it out alive

  • @bartolomeestebanmurillo4459
    @bartolomeestebanmurillo4459 Před 4 měsíci +129

    Many characters of GTA canon exist in both the 3D and HD universes so it's logical that there is a version of CJ somewhere and they heavily imply the events of San Andreas occurred with references to the 90s. CJ made it big at the end of SA and so he likely convinced Sweet to leave that life behind and go legit. They left GSF to those who didn't have the same vision and so the gang declined over time. Kendl likely moved to San Fierro with Cesar and he left the Aztecas behind.

    • @OlliWitta3_
      @OlliWitta3_ Před měsícem +2

      "THEY might be CEOs or somethin" Franklin.

  • @seanblessed1322
    @seanblessed1322 Před 9 měsíci +131

    I remember when gta 5 came out and when I played it for the first time the first thing I did was I went to grove street expecting the families to be posted up there, but then when I seen the ballas posted up on grove street I was like wtf 😂

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 Před 8 měsíci +7

      Ona guys i think they like the ballas more nbs they get to the money be fresh and on gta online u can get ballas t shirts and polos and a knuckle buster but nothing for the families idk whats to em

    • @goatlps
      @goatlps Před 4 měsíci

      @@dannyd9077 #KnuckleDuster

    • @dark12ain
      @dark12ain Před 3 měsíci

      Same here. I was ready to get right back into gang wars and all that.

    • @contra7631
      @contra7631 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Honestly it would be cool to see Cj as boss and join the gang for some missions.I guess Rockstar wanted the story to be different.

    • @rosalinamacarita01
      @rosalinamacarita01 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@contra7631 It's that SA and 5 are structured differently, it wouldn't really make much sense to add CJ into the game

  • @FusionZ_925
    @FusionZ_925 Před 3 měsíci +20

    One time I got dialogue in the hood as Franklin a guy in a green helmet with a green shirt said yo you heard og Johnson bought the casino up near vinewood and the other guys said” yea yea yea”

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 3 měsíci +2

      I’ll have to hunt for that I’ve heard some talk about Woozie Mu talking about him in sf

  • @Drasi
    @Drasi Před 11 měsíci +125

    Or... Grove Street basically grew out of gang life. With CJ, and his multiple businesses, they probably left their turf. And a power vacuum was created in which the Ballast quickly filled.
    Thoughts?

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 11 měsíci +20

      A whole street and city wouldn’t just grow out of gang Culture

    • @IzzyTrillz
      @IzzyTrillz Před 4 měsíci +14

      @@LScentralif you grow up in da hood, you dont wanna stay there if you can. sometimes moving down the street better, even if it's just a block over. they still a part of gang culture but they leveled up alil.

    • @Twitch-st0n3d_jesus
      @Twitch-st0n3d_jesus Před 3 měsíci

      @@LScentralgentrification.

    • @screamingcactus1753
      @screamingcactus1753 Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@Twitch-st0n3d_jesus It doesn't seem very gentrified. If anything it's in a worse state in V than it was in SA

    • @Twitch-st0n3d_jesus
      @Twitch-st0n3d_jesus Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@screamingcactus1753 tbh I was just bored and said gentrification for reaction

  • @dauphongii
    @dauphongii Před 4 měsíci +82

    Don't forget the fact that 3D and HD universe are completely different in some aspects. Usually events that happen prior and after the game do go across the universes
    (example of that being the pollution leak of 1988 and an oil tanker accident that happened somewhere around 2001, which causes water around LC to look oily and in the beginning, dangerous to swim in, which can later be observed in HD universe, where the water still looks really polluted and oily).
    However, events that happen directly through gameplay usually do not go across the universes. If Grove Street indeed did take over the entire LS, there would never be competition anymore. In HD universe, CJ most likely doesn't even exist, and even if he does, he would probably have a very minor influence, existing only as a, say, a face for advertisement or name on a book, or something like that.
    So we can also assume that in upcoming GTA 6, Tommy Vercetti and his big operation would have never happened, but that doesn't mean Vice City doesn't have problems with sharks and hurricanes, so bridges being closed at some point, and you needing to find alternative ways might very well be a thing.

    • @KrolKaz
      @KrolKaz Před 4 měsíci +18

      CJ does exist in the HD universe, there is at least one NPC that mentions the Johnson family in gta5

    • @ashleysmith9755
      @ashleysmith9755 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Franklin and Lamar talk about the Old Families too at one point ​@@KrolKaz

    • @contra7631
      @contra7631 Před 3 měsíci +5

      Dude you are so wrong.Hd are 3D are connected.They mention about grove street gang.And also you have ballas and etc. other gangs from gta sa.So why they would add those gangs if they never existed in the first place and also mention the old gang.Its just we dont know what happened to them.But I am sure Cj is there somewhere else with his families.He just moved on at some point and it makes sense.

    • @SplendidCoffee0
      @SplendidCoffee0 Před 3 měsíci

      One notable difference is that the FBI, CIA, and DEA exist in San Andreas, whereas in GTA 4 onward, they were replaced with fictional branches.

    • @kassandraxd2
      @kassandraxd2 Před 3 měsíci

      @@contra7631do a google search before making things up 3D and HD are not connected grove street may exist in both gta but there’s no cj sweet ryder nor big smoke in HD universe even tommy in upcoming gta 6 your clearly clueless.

  • @aikokobamew5302
    @aikokobamew5302 Před 9 měsíci +140

    I like to think all the events in the 3D universe took place in the HD as well, the only difference really being the names of certain things. Onto my actual theory for the fall of the Grove Street Families. Some time after the events of GTA SA, CJ and Sweet both started to have more responsibility. The Ballas perform a drive by on Sweets house injuring him, infront of his kids. CJ would visit Sweet at the hospital only to see Sweet's Girlfriend and Children both looked distraught with tears in their eyes. CJ would ask them step out of the room so he could be with his brother he would say "Sweet, I understand you said you would die in the hood, but you got kids now do you really want this kind of life for them?" Sweet would reply "I don't know anymore, I want to see my kids grow but if I continue on like this, it ain't gonna happen. But it goes against my principle." CJ would interject "What happened to your principle against Drugs man, the whole neighborhood is full of baseheads, if we keep this up where are our kids gonna be if this is the environment they grow up in?" Sweet replied "I know, but this is our home man, it always will be so I don't want to give it up" CJ then said "Man, look your kids deserve better they could have better. Live a quiet life its time we hang this gangbangin shit up" Sweet would reply "CJ you're right, where will we go though?" CJ said "Somewhere we ain't gonna be walking around with a target on our backs, maybe move east get out of San Andreas or move out into the country outside of San Fiero so we'll be close to our sister."
    I think at some point CJ was able to convince Sweet to give up the gang life, without much leadership the Families would split up into new sets, forming the sets we know in GTA 5, the other gangs who were weaker would have reformed and like vultures start pecking at the remains of the Grove Street Claims in Los Santos. Sweet and CJ would have moved, Maybe into a gated community as they could afford it with CJ having several Legit businesses in the State of San Andreas and a stake in a Casino.

  • @southsidecompton9668
    @southsidecompton9668 Před 11 měsíci +176

    The real reason why Grove Street Families lost their turf to the Ballas was because they tore down the Ganton Courts housing projects. Just like in LA, many gangs that control housing projects majority members live or hang out in the projects then in the actual surrounding hood. With GSF you mostly had 2 clicks the PJs and the Grove Street click. I can tell most members lived in the projects. Fast forward 2013 from Ganton to Davis those projects are gone. The only active GSF were the ones on Grove Street. It make sense the Ballas kept dropping the last remaining members til they finally took over Grove Street. Just to let you know ain't no way in hell CJ took over the whole city, this ain't no corny Saints Row. If it was like that there wouldn't be any Ballas and Vagos in 2013. In GTA SA the only way to play the last mission of the game you only need to take a certain percent back. I still don't understand how Rockstar only added 1 housing project in GTA V. In GTA SA they had 7 housing projects.

    • @AYVYN
      @AYVYN Před 8 měsíci +14

      That’s some interesting history. There was a forum that tracked Chicago gang member’s social medias for funny drama, and it’s crazy how quickly they died and were replaced. If you’re actively pushing, and not treating it like the Boy Scouts. I don’t think anyone survives with their freedom.

    • @southsidecompton9668
      @southsidecompton9668 Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@blase9624 bro do you really think some broke gang members can afford living in San Fierro or Las Venturas. Only one that has that is CJ. The GSF most likely got ran out of Davis.

    • @southsidecompton9668
      @southsidecompton9668 Před 8 měsíci

      @@AYVYN yeah exactly well we already know why Chicago is wild. They tore down the Cabrini Green and the other highrise projects out there now you have gang members from those projects spreading there gangs in other neighborhoods.

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 Před 8 měsíci

      The housing projects in gta V is the same ones that was in idlewood the one we beat da ballas up in with ryder? Grove once owned the pjs before the hood got weak so they just moved back in once grove st was over wit and they rebuilt em

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 Před 8 měsíci

      @@southsidecompton9668nah cus then davis gang wouldnt be a thing it still was small houses across from the pjs and down the rest of grove the remaining memebers started they own faction which eventually turned into davis gang

  • @goatlps
    @goatlps Před 4 měsíci +16

    Disappointing the house isn't even there and enterable. Is the street even Grove Street? It's like Rockstar hate the old games and characters that made them.

  • @Theaggressivesalad
    @Theaggressivesalad Před 4 měsíci +74

    I reckon CJ's still going as a businessman working with Woozy, Madd Dogg, Cesar & Kendl.
    You can tell his mind was made up about leaving the hood behind when he picked Sweet up from prison. He tried to get Sweet to come along with it, but Sweet was having none of it so he tried to rebuild the hood to try and win Sweet over.
    After the end of the story, with all his enemies out of the picture, CJ decided he wanted a fresh start and to take full advantage of the business connections he'd made. You can tell at the end when he says he's going to take a walk around the block. He likely decided during that walk, he wanted to put him and his business interests above the hood and being a gangbanger.
    He'd have likely moved away and out of Grove Street if not LS entirely.
    Over time, Sweet would have likely gotten more annoyed that CJ was putting his business interests above that of the hood as well as constantly being away from it. He'd also likely still be mad at Kendl for going out with someone who wasn't from Grove St gang. CJ & Kendl would have likely made numerous attempts to get Sweet on board but Sweet would have refused as he's incapable of seeing that there's more to the world than Grove Street and the gang. This would eventually lead to CJ & Kendl cutting ties with Sweet or at the very least distancing themselves from him so they don't get drawn in to the gang violence again.
    Judging by the fact that Grove Street is Ballas controlled by 2013, Sweet is either dead or incarcerated due to being unable to see a life beyond being a gangbanger. So the gang would have had no leadership which would have meant the remaining homies would have fled, died or moved over to the Ballas. CJ would have no interest in intervening at this point as he no longer wants to risk his life when he has better options with his business connections & no real ties to Grove St anymore. All the others will have all just moved on with their lives, capitalising on the business connections made in the SA story.

    • @ZachSawyer2077
      @ZachSawyer2077 Před 3 měsíci +5

      @Theaggressivesalad This makes a lot of sense and is canon for me from now on. In GTA V it is also noticeable that, even if the Ballas and Vagos are more "predominant" in the LS scenario, their actual presence in the town is pretty scarce. This element could very well fit in with the theory that, around the 2000's, most of the gang members and leaders were arrested by the police (probably Sweet was one of them), that's why you find gang members in fewer locations than you did in SA.

    • @srinathparimi33
      @srinathparimi33 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Makes perfect sense. That's why I hate Sweet. He gives CJ alot of flak even when he did alot to get him out of prison and kept Kendl safe the whole time while also managing a lot of businesses. Sweet is too narrow minded and annoying

    • @Theaggressivesalad
      @Theaggressivesalad Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@srinathparimi33 that's why I hate Sweet the most out of all the main characters. Carl's done so much for him to set him up and get him out of prison and he just throws it straight back in his face when he gets picked up from jail!

  • @TopDawgGamingOffical
    @TopDawgGamingOffical Před 11 měsíci +24

    The drugs were probably the biggest reasons the families lost to the ballas a lot of the families probably realized drug dealing was where the money was at

  • @dr.finnegan3949
    @dr.finnegan3949 Před 5 měsíci +13

    GSF ogs died out. CJ couldn’t care less about gang bangin, and that’s is crystal clear in SA ending. He had better things going on.
    Sweet probably ended up like Emmet did, at least in terms of mentality. He was a solo survivor and stood for something that wasn’t there anymore.
    If you look carefully, Emmet is the perfect parallel to Sweet.
    He was an old school Families member in a hood that wasn’t anymore Orange Families for a very long time. But Sweet had CJ and probably was taken along by his brother lifestyle in the end.
    GSF new generation of gangsters had no links to the families at all. These younger guys probably tried to emulate CJ rags to riches by dealing dope and somehow that ended with a Ballas set in Grove Street.

  • @pissedoffbucketguy9115
    @pissedoffbucketguy9115 Před 4 měsíci +22

    I think the reason why there isn't any gang wars in gta 5 is because of lore reasons and not lazy programming.
    Since it was mentioned before in the early missions involving Franklin and lamar (the mission where they kidnap some baller) it was stated that they didn't have beef with families
    Stretch after the giant shootout in the warehouse even said that they could be at risk of an entire gang war because of Franklin's and Lamar's failed kidnapping and the shootout they just got out of

  • @tommybraveaux628
    @tommybraveaux628 Před 4 měsíci +10

    Because GTA 5 and SA don't take place in the same universe

    • @extremeboss5282
      @extremeboss5282 Před měsícem +3

      And that's a Rockstar lie.

    • @CertifiedWTRPerson
      @CertifiedWTRPerson Před 12 dny +1

      ​@@extremeboss5282mf what?? 😂
      The 3D universe and HD universe are both separate
      everything that happened from GTA 3 all the way to LCS did NOT happen in GTA 4 and 5

    • @extremeboss5282
      @extremeboss5282 Před 12 dny +1

      @@CertifiedWTRPerson Rockstar Games randomly invented the separate universe bs at the time of GTA 4 as a lazy way to say that they are in a conflict with VAs and that they can't feature many past characters, but with GTA 5 they themselves rejected it (silently). They haven't even talked about it in years. Rockstar games are far from being liars, but why didn't you say they are saints while replying to me?

  • @ygstraightout2780
    @ygstraightout2780 Před 4 měsíci +6

    If we think about the fact that this whole gang story about gsf vs ballas is based on the crips vs bloods i think it went something like this, after cj takes over LS, cj becomes a celebrity and a bilionaire once some years passes and the 2000s came, most of the OG's moved out of the sets and most of them went to vinewood or better areas in LS, at this point grove street got abbandoned by the gsf and the remaining ballas took over the turf, to the other hand the remaining grove street families (and all them other sets) once their leader (sweet) was gone re established the families and took a new turf, i believe this because Gerald didn't wanted a war between the ballas and the feds, there's a reason why the feds doesn't want that the families and the ballas goes to war again, they don't want this to be repeated again as it did in 1992 in gta san andreas

  • @carl58._
    @carl58._ Před 11 měsíci +12

    I think that sweet got killed and CJ Kendal and Cesar move out of the hood if you remember, CJ didn’t want anything to do with the gang life anymore, sweet was probably killed

  • @NateBullock-ow6on
    @NateBullock-ow6on Před 6 měsíci +11

    CJ was definitely not a coward he probably just knew there was no future in it💯

  • @stevenstice6683
    @stevenstice6683 Před měsícem +4

    All you had to do was pay the damn mortgage, CJ.

  • @damienhamlin3622
    @damienhamlin3622 Před 11 měsíci +19

    Cj didn't leave Denise behind he was ran out of town by tenpenny

    • @jimspock
      @jimspock Před 3 měsíci

      Was just about to post that. Glad I didn't

  • @neutralhero999
    @neutralhero999 Před 4 měsíci +5

    CJ and Sweet is a lot like Franklin and Lamar. One guy wants to grow beyond the ganglife, and the other only knows ganglife.

  • @harrybeauberry3222
    @harrybeauberry3222 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Gta v was cool but I liked how you could go inside restaurants and eat, go to he gym and learn martial arts like boxing and kick boxing on level 2, even inside the hospitals and jails, from sa to iv

  • @camgoss3843
    @camgoss3843 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Checking in with you Los. Hope you and the Family doing good💯💚 🔥🔥 ass content to fam

  • @TheDemonGamerOfFleetStreet
    @TheDemonGamerOfFleetStreet Před 4 měsíci +2

    I heard its because of the hidden spindlelint script that everyone has seen yet only few know about. It's truly a genius thing they did over at Rockstar adding that it leads you to the Goblet of Queefing.

  • @snowstorm585
    @snowstorm585 Před 11 měsíci +30

    They should’ve jus made San Andreas part 2

    • @MaeRose26
      @MaeRose26 Před 9 měsíci +8

      San Andreas Stories ye they need to make that

    • @SupportGamin2024
      @SupportGamin2024 Před 4 měsíci +3

      That's Literally GTA V 😂

    • @screamingcactus1753
      @screamingcactus1753 Před 3 měsíci +6

      @@SupportGamin2024 GTA V has nothing to do with San Andreas outside of taking place in roughly the same location.

  • @miguelpasamano4995
    @miguelpasamano4995 Před 2 měsíci +2

    CJ was a different man by the end of GTA: SA. CJ let the gang life go when he got his stake in the 4 Dragons Casino and became Madd Dogg's manager. CJ only got back involved because that's what Sweet wanted. CJ may've taken over Los Santos but he and Cesar left the gang life behind for good and Ballaz were still able to be seen in Grove turf even after that. Mike Toreno most likely helped the Ballaz and the Vagos get their turf back with help from the Rifas and even force the Groves out.

  • @shawnalexander3320
    @shawnalexander3320 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank you and thank goodness for 😅your videos 😊

  • @Miguelperez-lc5wd
    @Miguelperez-lc5wd Před 11 měsíci +8

    But grove street will live forever, grove street 4 life, families 4 life 🤘

  • @TheFoxEssence
    @TheFoxEssence Před 4 měsíci +2

    I made a deathmatch named grove street throw down in the OG days of GTA Online. I spent a lot of time there

  • @anthonydavis191
    @anthonydavis191 Před 3 měsíci

    Is San Andreas coming out with a part 2, I hope they continue this series cause it was so fun

  • @Geezyking00
    @Geezyking00 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Gtav should have Gang wars DLC

  • @Sgt.Wolfhart
    @Sgt.Wolfhart Před 4 měsíci +2

    I mean hell by the end of SA who was even left to run the Grove? Half of them was dead or sold out and the other half took the money they made from the book of songs and ran out the hood to live the high life.

  • @princessmarlena1359
    @princessmarlena1359 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The Families, The Aztecas, The Vagos, and The Ballas got too old to fight each other. Many of them died or got jailed. After CJ drive out the Vagos and Ballas, the two remaining gangs just broke up after recruiting dried up and “the kids” grew up and got too old for gang life.

  • @Dswan31
    @Dswan31 Před 3 měsíci +1

    When playing as franklin on gta v if you get on bleeter I believe you'll see a Ballsac member saying "thanks for giving up GS"

  • @owenwilson5271
    @owenwilson5271 Před 4 měsíci +2

    my question is what happened to the overpass and the street right next to grove street

  • @spagoot9991
    @spagoot9991 Před 4 měsíci +2

    3d universe and HD universe are two separate universes with different decisive events happening for each establishment, organization and/or gang. the Johnson family might as well wouldn't have existed in HD universe. Or maybe they did, but one thing is for sure that the events of GTA San Andreas or generally 3d universe (including events of GTA 3 in LC and GTA VC in VC) are drastically different. I don't know why many people choose to just ignore this fact and make absurd theories about it

    • @samedison5559
      @samedison5559 Před 4 měsíci

      Nonsense. There are many evidences that they are canon. Rockstar games tried this separate universe crap for gta 4,but in gta 5 they they connected them again

    • @kassandraxd2
      @kassandraxd2 Před 3 měsíci

      @@samedison5559source?: Trust me bro.

    • @spagoot9991
      @spagoot9991 Před měsícem +2

      @@samedison5559 GTA 5 and 4 are both HD universe. None of the events in GTA5/Online has any clue to confirm any of the events from 3/SA/LCS/VC to be canon.

    • @samedison5559
      @samedison5559 Před měsícem

      @@spagoot9991 there is a wonderful video wich shows that some events of sa are mentioned in gta online. Video games aren't religion, it's possible that they change their mind about the universe thing

  • @FeminineAroma
    @FeminineAroma Před 4 měsíci +6

    The events are GTAV and GTA San Andreas also occurred in different universes, hence why they also look different. Grove Street in San Andreas looked completely wider than GTAV and in GTAV there is no bridge that went over Grove Street like in San Andreas.

  • @randywells8974
    @randywells8974 Před 11 měsíci +27

    I know they use the whole different universe thing to kinda erase the past. But I still like to think alot are still connected. In GTA SA when the LS riots are going you have to take a certain amount of territory so I try to recreate the GTA 5 hoods the best I can. Everything south and west of the train tracks goes to the families which sets up the GTA 5 lines pretty well. And all this happened because CJ was loyal to his brother but after big smokes betrayal CJ wanted nothing to do with the hood life because he made a life outside of the hood which he struggled to do for his whole life. So after tenpenny death CJ continued his life. He would still be there for his brother but because money an power is key to the gang life sweets days as a leader we're always going to be numbered. So he ether got killed or arrested. And with both gangs being decimated from the bloodshed of GTA SA I can't imagine whole lot of territory has changed since then besides Grove Street which lost it leader. I think every hood has there own group of leader the build up all the gangs in the city. The ones that refuse to change got weakened like Grove Street while the rest adapted and survived like the rest of the family in GTA 5 and with the death of tenpenny the corruption that allowed the gangs to run the way they did was eliminated so any gang wars quickly attracted the heat of the LSPD so gang war became bad for business so most of the gangs stop fighting an just managed there own territory focused on money then killing. In my playthrough it don't make much sense for the families to attack the vargos because there immediate relations on mostly Netrual sweet I don't think even recognize the vargos in GTA SA so I leave the Vargos alone an just focus on the ballas when the story make sense for it to take territory. But with out CJ and sweet the days of keeping the good clean was only going last so long. But that how I play San Andreas an shape it to lead up to GTAV.

    • @southsidecompton9668
      @southsidecompton9668 Před 11 měsíci

      In the start of GTA Online LSV is the largest gang. They control Rancho, Cypress Flats, El Burro Heights, Vespucci Beach, and an airport in Grapeseed. It make sense what you said not taking over there territory in GTA SA.

    • @SeriousDragonify
      @SeriousDragonify Před 4 měsíci +1

      Lot of nonsense yapping.
      Taking over all territories is necessary because of constant hood attack annoyance.

    • @TEMapping
      @TEMapping Před měsícem

      @@SeriousDragonifyFr, also if you are lifeless psychopathic maniac going for 100% completion you nee that too

  • @OhDannyBoi
    @OhDannyBoi Před 3 dny

    What I never understood was why CJ's family's house was so damn huge on the outside? Why wasn't there even so much as a small backyard? That house was way too big for the street.

  • @MRGam3rPT
    @MRGam3rPT Před 6 dny

    I see it clearly now, Cj figured out he was in a video game and ran away, AGAIN.

  • @randomargument972
    @randomargument972 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Did anyone try searching cemetery for Johnson family? Their mother, Sweet or CJ thombstone?

  • @johnnyboi6807
    @johnnyboi6807 Před dnem

    I was literally just thinking about the question the other day and this video found me on the algorithm…

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před dnem

      I’m making a better break down soon brother

  • @MrJemoederopeenstokj
    @MrJemoederopeenstokj Před 4 měsíci +1

    Tenpenny was based on Rafael Perez,so yeah there was someone like that

  • @ATMN993
    @ATMN993 Před 15 hodinami

    Jack from Eastenders is Claude , that’s mad, then the video talks about crooked cops, which jack plays in Eastenders, spooky lol

  • @rsr9377
    @rsr9377 Před 7 dny

    Love the original design of Grove Street and surrounding areas. Wish they kept it the same as it doesn't make sense how it could have changed so much. Plus, it would have brought back all the great memories, give a sense of familiarity and it should have actually looked like Grove Street tbh. But then again they said the hd universe and 3d universe are seperate so... 🤷‍♂️

  • @djwarmanhappyhardcore4957
    @djwarmanhappyhardcore4957 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I think u got the date Rong mate it was 2004 and 205 .this game was released mate

  • @Ilovebrownbreadtoast
    @Ilovebrownbreadtoast Před 10 měsíci +1

    I think R* just do things like this to generate buzz and get people talking about their games for years to come.

  • @fyrealis
    @fyrealis Před 4 měsíci

    Great video but I'm pretty sure CJ and Denise didn't meet until AFTER he came back from running away

  • @SussyHiluxEnthusiast
    @SussyHiluxEnthusiast Před 3 měsíci +1

    0:53 Rockstar are the exact definition of party poopers

  • @glowinggames1561
    @glowinggames1561 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I've always believed that the events of the old GTA games are canon in the new timeline, but the old games were an exaggeration of what really happened. Probably, CJ left Los Santos, and while he was gone Sweet got popped and all of the surviving Ballas did an attack on Grove Street.

    • @ellieh.5419
      @ellieh.5419 Před 4 měsíci +1

      They are not, different canons

    • @sodaroni_enthusiast
      @sodaroni_enthusiast Před 4 měsíci +3

      ​@@ellieh.5419exactly. People seem to not be able to grasp that. Only the celebrities from the 3d universe exist in the hd universe.

    • @ellieh.5419
      @ellieh.5419 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@sodaroni_enthusiast even then only some of them do, so far only Madd Dogg and OG Loc seem to still exist even if Loc himself was retconned to have a different fate by that logic

    • @sodaroni_enthusiast
      @sodaroni_enthusiast Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@ellieh.5419 actually. Almost all 3d universe celebrities appear on the Vinewood walk of fame and I myself would consider that Canon enough.

    • @samedison5559
      @samedison5559 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@ellieh.5419 all celebrities appear in gta v. The different universe thing was maybe planed for gta 4,but in gta 5 there are too many incidents which proves that they are canon. Rockstar games changed this different universe thing.

  • @_ian69
    @_ian69 Před 20 dny

    Sweet walked into an obvious trap and GSF was on the verge of collapse before CJ came back. If CJ left then Sweet’s days were numbered.

  • @nolanrueckert8061
    @nolanrueckert8061 Před 10 měsíci +2

    They should of made CJ related to Franklin

  • @johnboona4048
    @johnboona4048 Před 11 dny

    Basically the old ps2 gta games are from the 3D universe and the newer onces (IV and V) are from the HD universe.

  • @andrewcomments5812
    @andrewcomments5812 Před 4 měsíci +2

    A lot can change over 20 years.

    • @mrshaneobuenosnodgrass3328
      @mrshaneobuenosnodgrass3328 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Thats what Im saying..San Andreas is set in the early 90s. GTA 5 was originally 2013 Los Santos.

  • @mrsummers1671
    @mrsummers1671 Před 8 dny

    Honestly Denise Clinton could have dated CJ back in the 90s. That would connect her to GTA lore. There's no proof that Denise doesn't know CJ.

  • @stargazer643
    @stargazer643 Před 4 měsíci

    No neighborhood is the same after almost 30 years man

  • @DakovDakash
    @DakovDakash Před měsícem +1

    A straightforward and obvious answer : they are separate universes

    • @extremeboss5282
      @extremeboss5282 Před měsícem

      Worst answer ever. Universes thing is a Rockstar lie

  • @George-hc1vx
    @George-hc1vx Před 4 měsíci +1

    “See told you he was a busta”

  • @johnctatum3999
    @johnctatum3999 Před dnem

    To games existed in different universes and we're not in Canon

  • @stickykitty
    @stickykitty Před 3 měsíci

    You a buster 🔫
    Grove Street 4 life 💚

  • @Not_Gangsta
    @Not_Gangsta Před 3 měsíci

    I'm trying to figure out.
    Who is LB That ryder kept talking about

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 3 měsíci

      I have a video about him dropping this weekend

  • @RavenStorm332
    @RavenStorm332 Před 9 dny

    On a personal note I think Rockstar should have just connected the 3D universe to the HD universe that way they could show us that time has past in the GTA universe hell even connect the Top-down universe to it would have made GTA deeper storywise

    • @extremeboss5282
      @extremeboss5282 Před 3 dny +1

      Actually, they did keep them connected (in their heads). The universes thing is an excuse for not bringing back old characters and the voice actor conflict.

    • @RavenStorm332
      @RavenStorm332 Před 3 dny

      @@extremeboss5282 I'm saying that they should be canon connected not bring old character level of connected they could say that the main characters from the 3D universe died so that way they can't be brought back

  • @crimvale9139
    @crimvale9139 Před dnem

    good idea but in gta sa cj started buying up businesses like the auto shop and getting out of the gang life. it was only sweet that brought him back so what if his heart was not into it anymore because he found a better way. also i sware there was a sign or a billboard about cj being a model or owning a model agencie.

  • @melchorgospel5159
    @melchorgospel5159 Před 14 dny

    "GTA V had gang wars" wasn't it GTA San Andreas the one that had gang wars?

  • @matthewwarbington4125
    @matthewwarbington4125 Před 5 měsíci +1

    i kinda do wish they where in the same universe but when grove street peaked like that they would not have fallen just like that it proabbly took some time before they did

    • @AdiCool88
      @AdiCool88 Před 4 měsíci

      With Sweet being the Leader and CJ being second in command GSF would easily crumble like it did. Sweet would have most likely gotten shot and killed, or locked up in Jail. CJ as we all know moved on from the street life during the events and after the events of the game concentrating on the many businesses he accumulated through the game.

  • @Trashpanda66-wt9yq
    @Trashpanda66-wt9yq Před měsícem +1

    Basically Rockstar was lazy didn't want to have to remake all of GTA SA and basically sat us down and was like son have I ever told you about alternate reality theory

  • @delmuswu-tangbroadnax9056
    @delmuswu-tangbroadnax9056 Před 3 měsíci

    I really don't understand why all the different games have different universes. They made the games so much more complicated to understand for absolutely no reason

  • @tayywick0025
    @tayywick0025 Před 10 měsíci +6

    I think Denise from gta 5 is Denise from gta San Andreas tbh 1) think about it she was young in 1992 and now she could’ve possibly got older. 2) both Denise’s live in families territory. 3) Denise from Sa promoted gang violence nd Franklin Denise Also promoted it in the mission hood safari and was telling Franklin he needa support his homies more

    • @Savkmonte
      @Savkmonte Před 9 měsíci

      That is her

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 9 měsíci +2

      I’m making a video about this and I’ll drop it in a few days

    • @MaeRose26
      @MaeRose26 Před 9 měsíci

      Denise became a crappy sex obsessed aunt lol

  • @raheenthomas4451
    @raheenthomas4451 Před 10 měsíci +1

    grove st needs their own game,kinda like san andreas but more in depth with the gangsta shit

  • @TamalCyrus
    @TamalCyrus Před 26 dny

    Yes, GTA 5 is my favorite in the series, no matter how much the boomers love GTA 4.
    However, maybe I was too young, but GTA SA hits different. I have heard this from other players as well, when they took away CJ from Los Santos to "some county", we were genuinely missing the characters and city back in Los Santos, I wish I could just reply and have the same feeling again.

  • @pogcow4178
    @pogcow4178 Před 2 měsíci

    "YOU'VE PICKED THE WRONG STREET FOOLS"
    -Big Smoke

  • @studiostickz5214
    @studiostickz5214 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It’s because nobody sees the Easter egg that is the entire grove st maybe one day instead of driving around at 200mph you’ll drive slowly in and out of grove street paying attention to graffiti and you’ll notice something

    • @CertifiedWTRPerson
      @CertifiedWTRPerson Před 12 dny

      no car or vehicle in GTA 5 can go 200mph without franklin's Special

  • @dannyd9077
    @dannyd9077 Před 8 měsíci

    I mean the main ppl that made up grove st disappeared, CJ and kendl left for money, ryder n smoke dead , og loc who was a pxssy still stayed ona grove tho and sweet who knows, w/o his fam and main homies he prolly felt defeated again we almost saw him become a base head himself and he was already a bad leader so i mean everybody that made grove st the grove was gone so everybody else probably started to move around and then became davis gang some time later

  • @BabyGobain
    @BabyGobain Před 4 měsíci

    Ball sacks is crazy no debate

  • @statepropertyfan87
    @statepropertyfan87 Před 4 měsíci

    I think once you beat San Andreas and go back to Grove Street the Ballas already took it over if im not mistaken

  • @yashpatki9266
    @yashpatki9266 Před 7 dny

    While playing Gta5 I was disappointed to see that the ballas were still alive after I committed Genocide against them in GTA SA 😢

  • @Tykingthe1
    @Tykingthe1 Před 24 dny

    They need a gta sandreas sequal we need to see what happened

  • @francescodp1506
    @francescodp1506 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Guys, Rockstar explained it quite well. GTA San Andreas and GTA V are not in the same "universe", so don't share any relevant character.
    "Old" GTA world and characters ended with GTA San Andreas and the "New" GTA world started with GTA IV.
    Look at it like the "multiverse" of Marvel movies: Los Santos of GTA San Andreas and Los Santos of GTA V are like belonging to different universes of the multiverse, got similarities but aren't the same, including main characters.

  • @gamerwhoadie9507
    @gamerwhoadie9507 Před 11 měsíci +2

    BALLA OGs Ren them off BALLAS 4LIFE

  • @basidan4488
    @basidan4488 Před 14 dny

    When i hear the npc mention OG johnson on the phone i assume it’s cj

  • @blackXhawksXkickXbut
    @blackXhawksXkickXbut Před měsícem

    I mean 21 years passed between San Andreas and V. The Ballas could have regrouped and retook territory in LS since CJ took the city over

  • @wesscoates5676
    @wesscoates5676 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Okay, so hear me out. I have 3 questions:
    1- anyone else here play (or used to play) gta5 online?
    2- do any of you have an arcade?
    And if yes to both of those, then
    3- have you ever payed attention to the NPC who hangs out by the entrance? Like specifically, who he looks like? I know i can't possibly be the only one who thinks he looks like CJ...

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 5 měsíci

      Join the discord and send me a photo?

    • @wesscoates5676
      @wesscoates5676 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Ahh, i don't do discord. Tried it once, confused the hell outta me (not too tech savvy. Unless i can play video games on it, watch porn on it, or listen to music on it, i don't have much interest in learning it.😂) so i uninstalled it

    • @wesscoates5676
      @wesscoates5676 Před 5 měsíci

      @@LScentral but, if you ever find yourself in gta online, go into your arcade (or another players if you don't own one) through the front entrance, soon as you go through the glass door, head down the steps to your right. He's wearing green, so you really can't miss him. Like right by the steps with another NPC.

  • @nelju0621
    @nelju0621 Před 13 dny +1

    Its simple. Bcoz of this universe isnt tied to 3D universe which is VC,SA and 3.

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 13 dny +1

      Story in gta sa and gta 5 are likely the same

    • @Wertyber
      @Wertyber Před 14 hodinami

      I'd like to think the same events happened even though they're still in different universes

  • @neshaunfoster3160
    @neshaunfoster3160 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Ryder is thee only person in the whole game to call CJ a busta… you legit could’ve found 10+ instances of Ryder vocalizing this. But man’s created or found a drawing of Big Smoke and made up a voice of him saying something he never called CJ…
    Please tell me this was to troll for engagement and to have people comment as such for the algorithm. Cause this bugged me!

  • @tenchimuyo69
    @tenchimuyo69 Před měsícem

    Guess the better question is how Salvatore Leone and Sonny Forelli didn't notice that Gravelli was running Liberty City for "50 years"
    Just the pitfall of trying to connect 3d and hd universes.

  • @justthat69
    @justthat69 Před měsícem

    I like to think that gta 5 is a different timeline that CJ didn't come back to LS in 1992 and left the hood life and is still in Liberty City. He just moved on shit like that happens.

  • @Lildrakesnake
    @Lildrakesnake Před 2 měsíci

    Theres 2 universes in gta the ed and 2d and the hd gta 4 and 5 are connected gta 3 vice city sandandres and are also connected with some 2d games

  • @Y0sh1no5am
    @Y0sh1no5am Před 4 měsíci

    Franklin should be the new leader of Groove Street. Also if he and Denise were related to CJ then their names would be CJ, DJ, and FJ. xD Idk the sound of that.

  • @RukaProductions
    @RukaProductions Před 4 měsíci

    Great facts, Gta is what i grew up on.

  • @TonyyLondon
    @TonyyLondon Před měsícem

    if cj saw his brother die and already feels guilty, blaming him the second he got back was a clear indication of why he ran away, cj didn’t need to hear all that shit when he was in pain too…

  • @TriqqyTones
    @TriqqyTones Před 16 dny

    1st. Cj did not run away he left to better his life and did. Sweet spent the whole game pulling cj back into that life. Cj had the money but sweet didn't wanna leave the family
    2.Denise was cj's first girlfriend and you find her in a crackhouse that cj sets on fire..
    She literally likes doing driveby and gang activities, which is something cj definitely doesn't like.. the only perk to dating her is her enjoying drivebys..She’s literally a crackhead you save. So I wouldn't call it running away more so dumped or "used" .

  • @Lupo32
    @Lupo32 Před 11 měsíci +2

    For some reason Ganton isn't
    In gta 5 it was replaced with
    Strawberry or Carson

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Ganton got replaced by Davis I think but yeah unfortunately

    • @Lupo32
      @Lupo32 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@LScentral
      From what I understood ,
      Ganton was supposed to be Compton.

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Lupo32 yeah it is but I’m talking about the location wise in the game

  • @collegestuff2511
    @collegestuff2511 Před měsícem

    Isn't the HD universe completely disconnected from the 3D universe?

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  Před měsícem +2

      Story is the same but the universe it's self yeah.

  • @GuestPlayzGamez
    @GuestPlayzGamez Před 4 měsíci

    oly og remember this
    I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda

  • @itsyoboisus2848
    @itsyoboisus2848 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Because it's not the same universe?

  • @AMaidenlessRunt
    @AMaidenlessRunt Před 11 měsíci +4

    I'm going guess Salvatore got back at Grove Street as revenge for cj robbing the Caligula

  • @sumecooks4963
    @sumecooks4963 Před 3 měsíci

    In gta 5 there is one line that they could be ceos by now so i think they left grove street and are rich as shit now as seen in gta 4

  • @user-mi3hp7wm7k
    @user-mi3hp7wm7k Před 3 měsíci

    I’m just gonna say this: I’ll always believe gta Iv and v (HD Universe) is really a completely different universe from the 3D games. I thought back then it just meant “era”, but it really means a different universe meaning a completely different world. It may have had similar or the same exact events that may have occurred in the past and ofc grove street families still existed. Unsure if anyone finds this logical tho. There’s no way that the layout of a part of a state or even an entire city changes that much in 20 years that everything is almost unrecognizable and the street names being different. That screams “this is not the same world”

    • @extremeboss5282
      @extremeboss5282 Před měsícem

      You will always believe that Rockstar Games are saints and never lie. If they said that the Earth is flat, you will believe it just because Rockstar Games said so.
      I'm not labelling them as liars, but come on, they are game developers, not the type of people who have sworn never to lie to even their wife.