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email registration is not working, does it take a while to receive an email?
what to do if the instructions did not arrive in the mail
I did not get an email after registration.
Mishaa help, i sent a dm.. dient get the 5pm email but i did register in march..
I already registered immediately after the first announcement and also didn't get any email yet.. guess there's something not working
A note with regards to camber bolts Misha, those bolts you have appear to be 14mm. The ones you actually need are the 16mm ones. I know Whiteline sell them. We fitted those to mine when we put the Bilstein coilovers on, and managed around -2.25deg of camber front. Have checked it again since, and no issues despite some heavy driving. Also, on the weight thing: I had mine weighed recently (after the coilovers, exhaust and forged wheels) and was just a touch under 1260kg with over half a tank of fuel. Not sure if you have something in the car, but 50kg extra is a lot! I'd also recommend trying the car with neutral toe at the rear. We're running that on mine currently as a trial, and the car is super agile without being oversteery at all, though that is on some sticky tyres. Just a few notes :)
Thank you!!
@Misha Charoudin you can fit 14mm lower and 16mm upper bolts.
@@michaelgoodwin593 This is true, get around +/-1.5 deg with both
@S18RSG ahhh it's you S18RSG... fwiw I managed -2.5 with mine.
good info!!
The 14mm aftermarket bolts go into the lower hole, and you use the OE crash bolt originally in the lower hole, up into the upper hole to get around -2.5. We have been doing this for decades on Subarus. It is the meta. Do not run 2 camber bolts per side, only use one OEM (crash one, smaller one, in the upper hole) and a 14mm aftermarket one in the lower hole.
This video is actually an excellent illustration as to why it is important for a person to research their platform before relying on a shop who may not be familiar with it. Not dissing anyone just making the point that the owner and shop working together is always a good idea. Pity you guys didn’t figure out the 14mm camber bolts are for the lower bolt whole on the strut. Would have been cool to get driving impressions beige going to fully adjustable coil overs.
Misha, I highly suggest getting the brake booster brace. Made the brake pedal feel so much better in my friends 2022 BRZ. Also unplug the pumped in sound speaker, it’s super easy!
Do they have different plug?
Will get one for sure!
Your wheel alignment is out because you have changed the wheels, by increasing width, rolling diameter and or offset the suspension will settle in a different position.
With the opposing directions of angles the left and right variance is pretty much predictable.
That is why Front and back are opposing, when you look at the suspension travel it also opposes.
When I change wheels or even tires I always realign…..because it is generally out, often with the steering off centre when changing offset or width.
My 90kilo's of pancakes 😂😂
GR86/BRZ has two different bolts - top one is 16mm, and bottom one is 14mm. The ones you got are to replace the bottom.
Also - I have mine installed (the bottom ones) and got -1.9deg camber. Go back to Manthey guys and redo them 🙂
@drivingpsyche thanks! already getting full suspension soon
I've been checking my email and gapped website about two times a day since the giveaway was annonced. So stoked about an update!
i love to see you modifying a car with all ur track experience etc! i cant wait for the next vid about this project. Keep up the good work !
Hello from the USA. Love the channel. I am preparing my GR86 for autocross/track days + street driving. So far I have the Power Stop Z26 Extreme Street Warrior Brake Kit, Motul RBF600 Racing Brake Fluid, Fortune Auto 500 Series Coilovers - 7.0 kg front and 8.0 kg rear + Swift Springs and Cygnus Performance PRO Caster Camber Plates (gives 1.2 degrees more positive caster), alignment: 2.0 degrees neg. front and 2.4 degrees negative rear, front toe: 0, rear tow slightly toed in, Perrin 22mm front adjustable sway bar with stock rear bar, ARP extended wheel studs, Enkei TSV 17x9 wheels with Enkei Hub Centric Rings, and FALKEN AZENIS RT660 - 245/40ZR17.
I recently took my old 911 to a Porsche specialist for alignment. I had it aligned at a non Porsche specialist last year but the specialist noticed that the cam bolts were worn and stretched and it had all moved, rear toe in particular which made it nasty to drive. New bolts, proper alignment to a fast road spec, within factory tolerances and it’s transformed.
You should align and check your cars with a driver in it.
Those weird stock values will change and get more neutral with weight in the car.
Body weight will lower the driverside and raise the passenger side,so push and pull the steering rods wich will push and pull the hubs ,so wheels will move.
Moreover,roads are curved and cars roll on a specific side of the road in different countries.
Misha,
Not a GR setup but GT86 setup that I've ran on my car for few years now. The suspension on the 2 is very much the same. The drop is 25mm roughly from stock height on stock 18" wheels with 225/40/18 Eagle F1 SuperSport.
Street Setup:
Front:
Camber: -2 degrees 15 minutes
Total Tow: 0 degrees
Rear:
Camber: -1 degree 50 minutes
Total Tow: 0 degrees 10 minutes
Track Setup:
Front:
Camber: -2 degrees 30 minutes
Total Tow: 0 degrees
Rear:
Camber -2 degrees
Total Tow: 0 degrees 10 minutes
Simple modifications dialed in for the application makes all the difference. Glad you're getting it dialed in!
My 2022 BRZ is 2822 lbs with over 1/2 tank of gas. For toe, I prefer 0 all the way around with my MCS 2WNR setup with 400lb/in springs.
This car is incredibly fun to mod and drive!
Interesting find Misha! I have a video on my factory alignment specs, I found basically same camber settings you, however on my Australia delivered BRZ my toe was much more even. About 1mm toe out (per side) in the rear. And zero toe in the front. I stabilized the rear with zero toe in the rear as well. Car steers quite neutral.
Mostly street car so I didn't want the front too responsive.
Would like to upgrade the pads in the future, when the stock ones wear out. Otherwise, amazing car from the factory.
Great video, something new and interesting every day 😊
I had the same problem with the camber bolt. My front suspension got misaligned after hitting a few kerbs. My solution was to put big washers under the bolts and nuts and torqued them more than recommended. So far the camber stayed the same after a few trackdays.
So very German to have a manual alignment set up. Even some of the very small shops here in the US have a laser set up as their default.
I really would like to Toyota sell "base" model of gr86 like they used to with gt86(Japanse market only😢)for let's say people like us to modify living sh*t out of it 😅
i raj SPC lower 18305s, and use the lower bolt on the top as a crash bolt. Good for roughly -2.2°.
Pedders oem stule camber/caster topoints are good for another -0.75°
Dealers do the alignment during PDI. At least, they are supposed too.
Hi Misha, i made same alignement but with front camber of -2.05 and rear -2.25 and it is very effective 😎
Front left is the battery, right? Swapping it for one of the smaller li-ion ones of about 2 kg is a niiiice mod (although not cheap I think), like the one that Max Orido has and I think Keiiichi Tuchiya in their GR86 and GT86s
500 bucks for a string alignment!? jeeeeezus. here in the states at firestone we do the laser alignment for 100 and we adjust everything short of ride height/corner weight, but thats not really part of alignment, its corner balancing.
also a full degree of toe is EXTREME. something moved significantly, thats not "factory alignment". taking the strut bolts out could do it in the front, but idk about the rear. somethings not right.
lastly, 1/4 degree toe out per side is a LOT. thats gonna chew up tires very quickly. thats drift car shit. and a degree of toe in the rear is, like i mentioned earlier, extreme. i cant see a reason to run more than half a 10th per side in OR out at the front, and maybe a couple 10ths toe in at the rear.
Love it!
Bitte mehr GR86 Content ❤
100% agree, better to save money for a good suspension upgrade.
My GR86 was not that bad. Front toe -0.03° Camber 0.2 Rear toe 0.08° Camber 1.0 per side
Misha, why don't you add some nice "GAPPED" emojis? Would be cool :)
Actually
Pretty much exactly what I did and I’m very happy with the Z Rated pads. I used SPC camber bolts and they were fine, were yours definitely the right size?
Braided lines have next to no effect on the pedal feel if vacuum brake booster stays in place.
this! needs booster brace along with it.
Misha Bringing more Content I didnt think I needed so much TY!
Hello, did you like the PFC Z rated pads?, compared to Ferodo DS2500, Pagid Street+ or other similar options. How many laps can you make before brake fading?. I'm thinking about installing these PFC or maybe more racing ones like the Ferodo DS1.11, Pagid RS29 or Endless MX72.
I hope I can order a KW V4 CS and Protracks for my GR86 later this year
Probably my comment will be roasted, but i always had this question about wheel alignments, and I'm really picky with my car.
Let's say i daily my car, that I also use for some B roads and eventually will do some track days, but where I live, the road quality is awful, so uneven potholes and cracked road, I try to drive the most slow I can in these type of roads and try to dodge the potholes, but it can be quite tricky.
Knowing this and taking Nürburgring as a reference of being quite heavy on suspension because of the bumps and tall apexes, how easy is to get the alignment messed up by hitting potholes or riding in harsh roads.
For reference, I have a Civic EK Sedan VTI with stock suspension (for now) with 195/55/15 tires (So definitely a chunky tire)
Keep up with the great content and greetings from Portugal!
If your car is set up correctly it shouldn't get messed up unless you hit something very hard.
Surprising to see that the alignment on stock cars are out that badly, this wouldn't be acceptable on even a normal car, let alone an enthusiast car.
How frequently is alignment required on a track car considering alignment process itself isn't that cheap.
I pay $150 for a 4 wheel LASER alignment...using the same equipment they were.
Yo! That white GR86 in background looks sick!
Camber bolts are the devil I had negative camber go to positive after hitting curbs 😂 track day over.
what to do if the instructions did not arrive in the mail???
I have the same problem
@@albertomiragil850 same
You need to try Cupra Formentor if you can. Its interesting SUV from Cupra.
Looking for a lap by Robert sometime soon, Rj in Oz
The alignment values for toe&camber are most likely
NOT degrees but mm, right ?!
6:15
roughly 2950 lbs for freedom units guys!
@ Misha Charoudin- I like your technical details, keep them coming. Hoping to get a GR86 after I pay of my BRZ. So why is the car called Gapped GR86? Is that a play on words like the car gets gapped when racing?
Love this build. I feel like you wont want to part with the car once its done, haha. Needs an oil cooler asap though!
It’s a good day when Misha uploads
Ik dacht aan het begin, je rijdt bij Lucas naar binnen, maar toen zei je dat het Reader Motorsport is. Dus Lucas is verhuist en Manthey uitgebreid.
I have camber bolts but im waiting to have them installed till i can afford a good set of coilovers. Then i will get the car aligned.
You don't need the camber bolts if you have fully adjustable coilovers with camber adjustment in the top plates.
What are the wheel and tire specs on the white GR?
i also want to add that ofc you need your own server, when half million follower try register and maybe another million not follower, should been expectable ^^
In your experience does the dealer do alignment to a satisfactory degree or would you recommend going somewhere else?
Been holding off on getting coilovers so I can see what your choice is. Interested to see if it’s going to be a known coilover in America.
Xida is the best option for the 86. It is the only suspenion I know of that was actually built for the 86 from the ground up. It’s a one piece deisgn with a double digressive piston. They are very well known in the Miata community.
I do my alignment on my car with 20 euros lol ! :))
Maybe a stupid question: Is Räder doing anything different than a normal Bosch Service station?
no email from register, even in spam fyi
Me to
Epic car, so looking forward to driving it one day! 🤪
Please open the registration for South African followers too Misha 😅 we love you here in Cape Town bro
I'm also preparing my 2015 TTS for the track, do you think having better rear pads is a waste of money or it's good to have them?
Could this be due to the public roads are bent always to the right in europe? so it has "better" straight line holding?
Hey, misha.. Been watching for some months now, have you driven with air suspencion? How did it drive while pushing it?
would you install the Stahlflex brake lines if the car is only driven on track once or twice a year ? Alignment is already done, pads and DOT4 still on the ToDo list, but not sure if I need the brake lines.
Makes sense to do them when you gonna change the fluid. They definitely help to stiffen up the pedal
The Subaru brz is quite better as it uses all aluminum suspension arms and it's a bit better for straight line speed I wouldn't buy a Toyota that's really a Subaru I would just buy the Subaru and you get better support from the Subaru dealership and know-how as they actually know how to fix a boxer motor.
Because EU.
@@michaelgoodwin593 I am in the EU too I know Subaru didn't bring the brz to us but it's the better car Toyota just pays more for advertising
@@thusmarshal8815 Some countries do have the BRZ on order right now, check it out my man.
I know, it hit me as a wtf too when I noticed it can be ordered.
@@BB-wz6bx it's for sure not in my country I'd like to own one one day and maybe put an h6 ez30r from a legacy in it and have a front engined cayman, a rebadged gr86 would do
Always fun to do some mods on a car
for the giveaway, has there already been sent out an email to the previously registered users? because the last email i got was the registration confirmation saying instructions will follow soon
The camber bolts look way to narrow what was the caster settings
I would have loved to enter the giveaway AND support you but i dont have an instagram account. Will you sell products that give you entries to the giveaway aswell later on?
I really wish these kind of precision tuners were available where I live. It’s all garage hacks out here.
Hi Micha, I did already register around one month ago and still didn’t receive any email.
Cheers from Frankfurt
I tried to register, but i am not receiving a confirmation mail. I did check the spam folders and gave it 30 min. 🤨Its all good, not like im going to win a car or anything 😆
Good video
whats the rules on tuv certificats? do you have to keep them in car in germany?
If it's a European type approval you don't need anything. If it's a ABE, like in the case with the brake lines you need to have the ABE certificate in your car. Because if you don't have it on you when you're pulled over by German cops, the will treat it as an illegal part and they can impound your car. Alternatively you can go to the German DMV (Zulassungsstelle) and they can add the ABE to your car registration (Fahrzeugschein), so you don't need to have that ABE certificate with you.
Saw no alignment stand on the production line at Toyota.
Horrible
It was $100 for camber bolts on my camry. 20 is concerning😂
NICE ❤
I did alignments for over 30 years, and the prices you mentioned for a racing alignment are insanely high... That is literally paying off all the tools needed to do so in a few alignments... You should invest in a good string kit and turn plates, it will pay for itself in no time..... Then you can charge an absolute fortune for racing alignments as well...
Love to see the upgrade path for these 👍🏻
The alignment values are in mm - degrees would be insane 😅
Also where is all that weight in the 86? I thought it would be lighter than my GRY which just got corner balanced with exactly 1300kg and 3/4 tank 🤔
Shocking
Hmmmm…I registred but never got any mail?
500 euro's for an alignment with adjustable suspension??? I'm definitely in the wrong business🤯 glad i do it myself.
It is a nice car
I have bought a couple of new Porsches and they are not better from factory…
Funny you say so, did the same to a GT4 RS yesterday... vid coming next week
Finally, a mod
€712 for a laser alignment? 😂 rip off here in nl you pay €120,- including tax for a laser alignment.
So no need to get a matching set of rear pads?
Works fine in this case tbh
Ah ok. Cool. Can’t wait to see how it does on track with these changes.
Ha just saw you dropped the video.
I've made a lap with the Gapped GR86 in Assetto Corsa, if you are an Assetto Corsa fan, you can watch it here: czcams.com/video/ZKdBZ0LdSs0/video.html I hope you enjoy it!
Misha can u still win the car if you are not on social media like IG but are old school and just watch CZcams. Representing the 1980s + group who also like all your videos
String alignment for 500€? This is some serious s*it.. And 1 degree toe in per side on the rear? Realy??? Is that actualy possible? 😮
Gg
why is the car not gutted and has a race cage and steering wheel assembly ?
Misha, do i have to do final step on submission, it says "Share It To Your Story on Instagram", but im on PC and i cant share instagram stories :( I want to enter the giveaway, i did everything and liked the post, but now im stuck.
You need to use a phone
@@mgcharoudin Damn, too poor for a giveaway xD Thanks anyway!
i registered like on the first video already, didnt received email, registered again, it said i cant register with this name and email, just sussy. ok after few days no mail still, i just go on with life,
Now, check emails, got no mails since now, registered again, same mail same name same everything, i can register, it worked? again?
it says i recieve email and click the link blablabla, still wait for email same stuff.
bait?