You can’t imagine a world where someone like Harry, with an impressive, well-known story of defying odds to do great things, would not be more universally beloved. Hm. Maybe we should ask J. K. Rowling if she knows any real life people who have experienced widespread contempt in spite of doing their best to use their gifts, to stand up for what they believe, after overcoming enormous odds. I bet she knows of at least one person like that.
@@andreanewell628 Harry believes in sacrificing himself for others and doing good though. He forgives, he accepts everyone for what they are, he doesn't randomly spread hatred about groups he isn't involved with...
I think what Hagrid meant by nothing would hurt them if they’re with Fang is that anything in the forest powerful enough to hurt them would recognize Fang and think “oh they’re with Hagrid” and leave them alone. So it’s less about Fang’s ability to protect them and more about Fang signaling to the centaurs, acromantulas etc that Neville and Malfoy are with Hagrid. (Which given what happens with Aragog a book later is kinda funny)
I always figured he feared Dumbledore because he was the only person to see flashes of the true Tom Riddle, even if it was only during their first meeting. Dumbledore, as Harry said in Chamber, “saw right through you,” and the fact Voldemort knew he couldn’t control or manipulate him (in addition to Dumbledore being his magical equal, at the very least) terrified him.
11 year-olds always think they're in a world unto themselves, especially once they find their friend group, but even if that wasn't true, Harry grew up without any adults to help him. Ron always felt overlooked by his family-- even if he ends up being just as spoilt as Malfoy when the chips are down-- and Hermione must have had tiger parents because she's too afraid of being seen as incompetent to ever think of asking anyone for help. So, none of them are going to have a first instinct to go to an adult for help.
My favorite thing about Dumbledore returning the cloak to Harry is that in the beta days of pottermore when you would go around and click stuff in the scene they depicted it like Harry draped the cloak over a piece of furniture which turned it and the furniture invisible. That implies that Dumbledore was just up there shuffling around with his feet trying not to bump into anything but still having to feel around to find this damn priceless magical artifact that this damn 11 year old left laying around
I just realised the unicorn blood was to keep Quirrel alive,not Voldemort. We know Voldemort possessing snakes and rats killed them so he probably was killing Quirrel and so Quirrel drank the unicorn blood to stay alive Edit: In the past,teachers could beat up children with canes in the UK. Being hung by chains in the basement isn't as much of a stretch as you might think
Yeah, hitting children was much more culturally accepted and common than any of us might wish to admit. Here in germany, beatings weren't uncommon at all until the 50s and even some schools did it in the 60s. There are some old folk talking about their fingers being splintered, some had lasting injuries from this. The teachers had the right to beat them on their bare butt, on stretched out fingers and even slap them both on the back of the head and the cheek. Pulling and pinching someones ears and nose were also a thing. Public humiliation was also part of it, like the stereotypical dunce cap still seen in older cartoons - in germany it was a pair of donkey ears that was most commonly used. It was a rather common thing in germany and europe as a whole. Its absolutely horrendous and wrong. It was never meant to leave lasting damage, but it absolutely did, both physically at times and definitly psychologically. In germany it was even done for not having clean and neatly cut fingernails, which were checked every morning. And this wasn't some Nazi thing, they did it too of course and went further, but it was something everyone did. If you misbehaved, your parents hit you and verbally abused you. If you did it at school, your teacher would do that. It's absolutely crazy looking back, but at the time, it wasn't seen that way by most folk. I think putting someone in chains and lock them in a dungeon or hanging them from their thimbs is more of a medieval torture method, that wouldn't be used in schools, but this is clearly JK Rowling parodying this kind of mentality. Just like the ministry of magic is a parody of insanely incompetent politicians and weird rules and the overall disorganized british government and the money system is a parody of the old english money system, which wasn't that far off of the weird sickle to galeon excgange rates. This overly cruel punishment system is a parody of older european penal systems for children. Also, considering Filch has to be about 60 if not older and this takes place in the 90s, its isn't unthinkable at all that he has actually seen punishments like those be done to students... its still weird to imagine Dumbledore being fine with this, but it isn't at all out of the realm of possibility, I mean, Dumbledore would have seen this done even more commonly, when he was young.
I'm not sure about Quirrel. JKR hadn't figured out the Horcruxes yet when she wrote the first book. The floating figure in the movie suggests it's Voldemort Prime in his bodyless form.
Something to think about and ponder about the Bloody Baron is that he is the only ghost of the 4 that commited murder in life as well as the only one to commit suicide. As such he carries the chains of his guilt with him. This may give him some addtional ability to "harm" or cause discomfort to other spirits. Even Nearly Headless Nick is scared of the Baron.
I think the reason that they never go to the teachers is because the books were originally written for children. As adults we recognize that we have the power/ability to fix things. But here the trio are sixth graders and have the attitude that “grownups don’t know anything” and it is appealing to the mindset of the target audience.
Not to mention, Harry grew up in an abusive home. If you grew up learning, you can’t trust the adults around you, that’s a very tough mindset to break. And also, he gets proved right - when he does go to the adults, they dismiss him or think he’s lying.
Or they realized once they went to the teachers to solve a problem, that would have been the answer to all of their problems. So there wouldn't be much of a story. That's why they have snape being the roadblock teacher to make them realize they can't go to them
I always assumed the late night punishment thing was in the same vein of the old school punishments you hear about sometimes where you make a kid smoke a whole box of cigarettes or something. The idea being, "Oh you think it's fun to be out of bed getting into potentially dangerous hijinks, well I'll show you some dangerous hijinks and maybe next time you'll think twice about it." That and I always assumed that they got off pretty easy with the detention because Hagrid would have explained some things to Dumbledore even if that explanation never hit Harry's ears.
That back fired for me they did the smoking trick when caught at 17 I'm now 32 and still hooked :( don't smoke people it's horrible but so hard to kick.
I always thought that Voldemort was scared of Dumbledore is because Dumbledore was never afraid of him. We keeps calling him Tom and knows to much about Voldemort, which scares him. For example the things Tom Riddle tells Dumbledore in the orphanage.
It's worth noting that McGonagall doesn't just think they've been out of bed after hours. She has come up with a story as to why, involving Harry and Hermione luring Malfoy out of bed specifically to get *him* in trouble, basically exactly what Malfoy tried to do to them earlier in The Midnight Duel. That's probably what she sees as shameful, and why she takes so many points off them.
Yeah that was overlooked in this episode, and McGonagall thought that they fooled not just Malfoy but Neville too, just for fun. That of course wasn't the case but because Harry and Hermione couldn't tell the truth - yeah it seemed just sus and explains why she was so, so disappointed.
@@malcolm32 McGonagall is consistently rather horrible to Neville and it's very rarely addressed. Banned from Hogsmeade for life and forced to wait on the floor with some trolls every evening in book 3, singled out and told "don't embarrass us in front of Durmstrang" in book 4...honestly, I'm surprised she's not sharing his Boggart with Snape.
@@DevilboyScooby It's weird tho in book 5 she's super nice to him. Maybe tough love is just her default (despite negative reinforcement clearly not being what Neville needs) and decides to be nice once she's not his teacher anymore. Sort of a "I don't have to be hard on you, it's not my job to make you better anymore" kind of thing. Just a theory.
1:01:43 Voldy actually says it himself in Deathly Hallows that Dumbledore knew Tom Riddle too well, that Dumbledore might understand him and unravel his secrets and plans. Not for nothing he might’ve been afraid to be exposed as a half-blood and loose support of Umbriges of the wizarding world
I always assumed Avada Kedavra wouldn't have worked on Fluffy because big monsters are magically resistant. Quirrel probably could have AKed a person but it wouldn't work against something like a dragon because a dragon has magic resistance. I assume that magic resistance is something common amongst big monsters. They're own internal magic counteracts external magical attacks.
I thought it could be because Fluffy is a Cerberus, and mythologically Cerberus guarded the underworld, so he might have some resistance to death in general.
@@anivijudi this I've always taken as the reason, which is also likely why it was a beast like Fluffy that guarded the entrance, and why the whole harp/music gig was so necessary, being a beast so mythological connected, like dragons they are likely incredibly potent in magic, and thus resistant to magic. Hagrid is HALF giant and it takes like, 6 stunning spells to evenly mildly subdue him, so for a literal Cereberus to be resilient to more powerful dark magic makes sense. Hence why he guards the trapdoor, he would be insurpassable if the music thing hadn't been blabbed
Yeah I think that makes sense. And killing the dog seems unnecessary since they know a very effective way anyway. And we don't even know if Quirrell can cast Avada Kedavra at all as mentioned in the podcast, let alone be powerful enough to kill a magical creature like that. There's nothing that indicates that Quirrell is an exceptional wizard of any kind. He's 'just a teacher'. And at this point in the story Voldemort is definitely not strong enough to kill Fluffy. I mean all Voldemort could do to kill Harry is ask Quirrell to strangle him... To me there's basically no way he could have defeated Fluffy in battle.
@@jaspermooren5883 that also tracks, I don't know how well established the power scaling of AK is in the lore, as JnB say in the pod "Moody" says the whole thing about the not being able to kill him if they just pointed the wand and said the words cos of the need for malice and meaning to it. But I don't know how well it would scale with power in this instance. Like if wizards are more powerful than others, does that mean their magic is MORE potent, so could AK not kill fluffy for like 99% of wizards, but someone like, Dumbledore or a full strength Voldy be able to take out a beast with magical resistance like Fluffy with the same spell based off sheer power? I pride myself on my potter knowledge but I cannot say if that's true
The fight-or-flight reactions are actually five. Fight, flight, freeze, flop, fawn. Fight and flight are obvious, freeze is obvious, flop is the "play dead" reaction, fawn is the "make it happy maybe it'll spare you" reaction.
I think no one has heard of flop or fawn because those seem more like something you have to think of. I doubt many if any people's natural instinct is to make someone happy. And playing dead really only works if you are already on the ground and looking dead, which could be an extension of Freeze. Fight or Flight or Freeze are things we do without having to think at all. Our brains do it for us.
I had to pause the video to type this. But I always thought Voldemort was partially scared of Dumbledore because Dumbledore knew things about him that nobody else did. For example, Dumbledore found out about his thievery and bullying, that he could speak to snakes and such. He didn’t have his guard up at that time. Dumbledore could see past his charming facade and could call his bluff when nobody else could. And as you said, Dumbledore is the strongest wizard. I think those things made Voldemort so fearful of Dumbledore because he could undoubtedly stop him or subdue him if he so desired.
It was explained in the extra lore that the werewolves that are in the Forbidden Forest all the time, are actually The Offspring of human werewolves. When two transformed werewolves mate while in their Beast form, the babies that result are born as wolves, but ones that are unusually intelligent. It has been a practice to release those wolves into the Forbidden Forest, and they actually serve as a form of protection for Hogwarts.
Yea I imagine a creature that is included in Ancient Greek mythology is probably too magical to be injured severely by a single wizards magic. Like hagrid or acromantula.
Peeves listens to the Bloody Baron because he can intentionally scare the students enough to quell their mischief, which would weaken Peeves as a poltergeist. 1:07:50
As for making sparks from your wand, it is almost too easy to make them. In _Goblet of Fire,_ Harry tries to polish his wand surreptitiously at the Weighing of the Wands, and sparks come out for which Fleur gives Harry a scathing look.
I think the reason why Harry’s scar hurts more in this scene is that it’s directly after Voldemort drinks the unicorn blood, so he is the strongest than he has been throughout the year
My favorite chapter on all of harry potter is chapter 35 of GoF Veritasirum. Barty crowch Jr's confession and Dumbledores handling of the situation and his reaction once fudge starts to almost immediately freak out
I had a self-published book of theories, pre-Goblet of Fire, put together by one of the earliest HP fan forums that speculated Voldemort's spirit was not inhabiting Quirrell's body in the forest but a Lethifold (as he possessed other creatures before Quirrell discovered him), based on the description of a Lethifold from Fantastic Beasts. I've always thought it was pretty solid
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I just wanted to let you guys know, that on Pottermore (Wizarding World), they have an article about “werewolves” in the forbidden forest, that explained how when 2 werewolves met under the full moon and mated, they had highly intelligent wolves (not werewolves). They were set in the Forbidden Forest under the permission of Dumbledore. Rumors eventually broke out in Hogwarts about werewolves in the forbidden forest, and Dumbledore instructed the teachers not to dispel the rumors. Hope this helps! I love this podcast, 1000% recommend!!!
I think reason why they send them with Hagrid is kinda show them that there is reason for the rule of not going out (also of course all Dumbledore's big plan(tm), but it's also punishment for Hagrid, to show him that he needs to keep the students safe and not be sending them on dragon quests.
Somehow the idea of the bloody baron being the predecessor to Fred and George makes his story even more tragic. To go from someone who relishes in making others laugh, to someone so sad they came back not just as a ghost, but with the bloody chains as an additional manifestation of his sorrow and regret.
To be fair Harry definitely has broken a fair number of rules that probably did deserve detention, this just happens to be the one time he didn’t actually deserve it.
I had a life-changing experience in eighth grade, where I was in a class group, and one of the other guys in the group was widely considered one of the top three most popular guys in school. Another girl in the group asked him what it is like to be popular, and his response was " I don't get why people consider me and my friends popular? I have been friends with all of them since elementary school, people only think of us as the popular guys because we all play sports…"
Hagrid might never have told Dumbledore about Norbert, even if Dumbledore is unlikely to get him into trouble. He won Norbert's egg at the Hog's Head, so it might have been Aberforth who told Albus about it.
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McGonagall is so angry with Harry and Hermione because she thinks that they made up the story about the dragon in order to trick Malfoy into being out of bed, and that Neville got caught up in it as well. it wasn't the "being out of bed" thing, it was her assumption that it was a prank to get Malfoy into trouble
I have a theory on how the resurrection stone was made, and it revolves around the unicorns blood curse. We know the other 2 deathly hallows are made with thestral parts, so it would be safe to assume the stone was too. I believe it's a stone from a thestrals stomach, after consuming unicorn. Much like a bezoar or ambergris. We know thestrals are drawn to blood and eat meat. The thing is, this would never happen naturally as both these animals are quite rare, and as Hagrid states hes never known a unicorn to be hurt. So the second brother the arrogant man that wanted to humiliate death, started forcing the half life blood curse on the animal associated with death and bad omens. Thus making a deathly cursed stone. I know it's a little dark, but lots of things in the story have dark backgrounds *cough cough horcrux*
We have established that Peeves, the poltergeist, was formed from the natural boisterousness and mischievousness of students in a (magical) school. The Bloody Baron would have been one of the earliest students and/or staff members of the school, when Peeves had only started to form and wasn't very strong. It could be that the Baron taught the half-formed Peeves a lesson he never forgot. Or perhaps the Baron, wearing bloody chains to help atone for his sins, is anathema to the spirit of mischief -- it's all fun and games till someone loses an eye, and the Baron has lost more than that.
I always assumed that the name Bloody Baron was a nickname, just as Helena was the "Grey Lady." As someone already posted, a Baron is the lowest level of nobility. So, calling someone who goes crazy like the Baron did the Bloody Baron wasn't out of respect, but out of irony. He wasn't good enough for Helena. My guess is that, unlike Helena, he leaned into the nickname to play the role of the scary ghost. Meanwhile, Helena absolutely hated her nickname, and when you compare how she was described while living to how she is as a ghost, it seems her personality changed from being driven to be better than her mom to grumpy and morose. Why couldn't the Baron have gone from a crazy dude with an unhealthy crush to being the biggest, baddest ghost around.
People spend so much time in the forest, no way it's forbidden The points counter is in the great hall, is there a spell that makes it know whenever professors award or subtract points? They automatically know point adjustments?
Later in the series, Draco always seems uncomfortable around Fenrir Greyback, so I have a head canon that he has a bit of a phobia of werewolves (maybe a phobia that developed specifically from meeting Greyback as a child, since Greyback is supposedly friends with Lucius), and perhaps JK Rowling had already decided on this aspect of Draco's character while writing the first book.
Hagrid didn't think that just hanging out with him was such a punishment. The stiffness was a show for Draco. He doesn't realize the dangers in the forest.
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Came here to say this. And that Peeves has literally been there as long as there's been students. Peeves feeds of the mischievous energy, the Baron has the power to limit that energy, just like Dumbledore, but in a different way of course
Thank you so much for this podcast. Not only do I love Harry Potter, and SCB, but I have an anxiety disorder and your voices and way of having discussions really helps me calm down and gives me something to look forward to every week. Here is my question that I have been thinking about recently, after Voldemort is defeated by Lilly where does he go? How does Professor Quirrell even find him?
I believe we find out the answer to the first part of your question from Voldemort himself. After the curse rebounded he had only one thought. To get away. He ended up in the forest in Albania where Helena Ravenclaw had hidden the Diadem probably because it was the furtherest place "away" he could think of. As for how Quirrell found him Quirrell answers that himself. He was young and ambitious and nieve and had heard rumours of Voldemort being in Albania so went looking to try and find him. Whether to capture him or learn from him is never said directly. Though i think it is implied by Quirrell he wanted to capture him originally. Then Voldemort taught him a few things and Quirrell brought him back to England. Voldemort only started possessing Quirrell after the failure at Gringotts. The same rumours Quirrell heard are also what directed Wormtail toward Albania after Prisoner. Wormtail did find Voldy quicker than Quirrell though because of the rats.
With the Peeves and Baron question, my theory is that certain powerful magic can, at the very least, harm or temporarily dispel a poltergeist. Though a poltergeist is always likely to be at Hogwarts, it's already been proven that one can be dispelled and that the new one is different from the last so getting rid of Peeves would make him disappear even if a new poltergeist is born anew. Peeves seems to not want to be banished and cease existing, and so fears anyone who can truly make that a reality. That's why he fears Dumbledore. Like Ben, I think the Baron must have held that kind of power, (or perhaps still holds it even as a ghost) and that's why Peeves listens to him.
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Hey guys. With love from Ukraine. Great podcast, great video throughout the year, listening to you wile working and then listening to you again with my wife. What do you guys think: since most of the people were afraid to form families and having kids during Voldemorts time, after he “passed” in 1981 (Harry was one), next year there would be a baby boom, so Hogwarts would start having more kids at school starting Harry’s third year and there would be more people who would be not in Slytherin from now on?
At least in this book, not going to Dumbledore makes sense when you consider that telling the truth would implicate Hagrid as their main source of information that they aren't supposed to have. As far as the kids know, they'd be getting Hagrid fired by coming clean.
what if the bloody baron was the first headmaster (or maybe the replacement for slytherin after he left) and that's why peeves listens to him, since dumbledore is another person he listens to and it seems that it is because he is headmaster (peeves is asked by him on the whereabouts of the fat lady in prisoner of azkaban)
I also still think they missed a trick by naming Quirrel how they do and not giving him a name that evokes the Greek go Janus who is the God with two faces since Quirrell is the man with two faces but I guess that may have been two obvious but like for a kid reading the book maybe not becasue you would need knowledge of Greek mythology to understand the story of Janus.
How strange. I've ALWAYS thought Quirrell's conversation not wanting to do it again was about killing another unicorn but then I was an adult when I read it.
There’s a great article on wizarding wold that explains the werewolves in the forest. If werewolves breed while in wolf form, a different creature is born, it’s permanently a wolf but with human level intelligence, however it’s not dangerous to humans
42:07 I can’t remember where ( it may have been Pottermore, back in the day) but I have definitely read somewhere that there were, at one point, a pack werewolf/true wolf hybrids living in the Forbidden Forest that were described as being just slightly larger, hyper intelligent true wolves. I always imagined that’s where the idea that there were werewolves in the forest came from.
As a young adult when I first read this book, I always assumed that Hagrid's punishment was to monitor the children's safety, to bring the kids into the forest with him while investigating....
its always so funny to remember that these books are from harrys perspective, harry thinks hes so unliked when hes literally like the most popular kid in school, harry is so freaking oblivious that there is probably so much other stuff going on around him that we just dont know about, when him and ron fight hes like "i cant eat while knowing that ron is out there with other friends" when its literally been a day since theyve talked, most of the other characters descriptions are how harry is describing them so harry is literally just going around telling us that he thinks everyone is hot, its so funny
I have read and listened to these books a hundred times but something occurred to me while listening to these podcasts. Having Snape be a red herring in these books is not just setup for a reveal at the end of the book but evidence to support the belief at the end of book 6. It's easy to finish the Philosophers Stone and say "oh, haha it wasn't Snape after all!" But there needs to be enough clues that even though he's cleared in this book, when he flees with the death eaters, you question every thing in every other book. No, he wasn't the one trying to steal the stone directly but it still needs to look like he was helping to steal it. That is until we find out he is just finding out information for Dumbledore. There's like 3 layers to it...
The idea of a watcher is not uncommon in fantasy or just in mythology, though they can take different forms. Now, I'm not super well read on greek mythology, and I don't know what role, if any, centaurs play there, but I have read The Illiad and the Odyssey and the greek Gods are just always watching, and they are technically not supposed to intervene with what has been decided, but frequently do so anyway if they favor some character, either by giving them inside information or just by giving them a power boost or some divine protection against harm.
I would love to see this become a podcast that extends past the Harry Potter Series. Seeing Caesura hanging in the background makes me want to see you guys do the same for The King Killer Chronicles. Maybe by the time you finish Wise Man's Fear (Long after you finish Harry Potter), book 3 will be out xD
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In the movie, Harry sends up red sparks on Fleur's behalf with the incantation "periculum," Latin for danger. Regarding the Midnight Duel, doesn't Ron say something about only being able to send sparks at one another? Also, isn't it suggested that Lily is imagining sparks emanating from that regular old stick whilst talking to Sev?
Funny thought about the sparks. In dungeons and dragons, there is a cantrip ( the easiest form of casting that has no limit on the casters energy or mana pool) call presidigitation that is literally that exact thing. You can make sparks, puffs of wind, and odd odor. Even clean soiled cloths
Just wanted to add on what a baron is. Barons are the lowest rank of mobility, below counts, earls and dukes. They were brought to Britain by the Normans after the Norman conquest in 1066.
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Thoroughly enjoy your engagement. Picking on the dets can be entertaining. I remind myself that the story is told from the perspective of an 11 y/o. Lines such as ‘no idea how it happened’ (etc) are simply silly things many of us regularly say. Tig Notaro has a bit making fun of parents (more or less): Can you believe it? My 5 y/o is going to kindergarten (and on she goes).
OMG!! 😆 The thought of Snape just quietly “hanging out” in a colorful LAWN chair 🪑 is JUST HILARIOUS!!! 🤣 Also, in the movie, of course, Ron DOES go to the Forbidden Forrest INSTEAD of Neville; they COMPLETELY leave Neville out of this scene in the movie. And I LOVE Ron trying to confort him by saying “Don’t worry, Fred & George have lost LOADS of points for Gryffindor.” And Harry replies with, “But never in ONE night, right??” 😅 Also, didn’t you guys do a video about whether or not Quirrell COULD kill Fluffy . . . I feel like I’m remembering this specific video from you guys . . . 🤔 And I also love Hermione’s respond to Hagrid saying, “This is Bane. He’s a Centaur.” Hermione’s responds with, “We’ve noticed.” I just think that’s response is SO funny!! 🤣 Also, the idea of Hogwarts being a protection as well as a school COULD explain the chains in the dungeons, as a punishment for wizards/witches who do bad things. Like the chains are not meant for the students, but for the adults who do evil magic against muggles or something . . . 🤔 The thought of the Bloody Barren just being a complete jokester is also HILARIOUS; I LOVE that idea!! 😅😍 And there’s also just a pack of wolves 🐺 living IN the forest, I think . . . I think they’re actually wolf PUPS produced BY 2 werewolves . . . 🤔😊
“The one thing they love more than a hero. Is to see a hero fall, fail, die trying. In spite of everything you did for them, eventually they will hate you. - green goblin 2002.
Maybe Quirrel used the music so he could go past Fluffy multiple times to see what the next obstacles were. That way if he couldn’t get all the way through, he could always just leave, plan more, and then try again. For example, when he gets to the mirror at the end. if Harry hadn’t shown up then he couldn’t have gotten the stone and would’ve had to leave. but since fluffy was alive, the troll would wake up, and the chess board would reset no one would know he entered
@MrJodrick This podcast is once a week. Regular SCB is twice a week, and they have a gaming channel too, but I don't know how frequently that has new videos. I imagine once or twice a week. That's 4 or 5 days a week they have some form of content coming out. Good content, too.
Would love to see some character art with Snape sitting in a lawn chair waiting to catch Harry or the rest of the trio ? Long black robes, greasy hair, colorful chair, black flip-flops, huge umbrella and glass of cool pumpkin juice would be perfect. If only I could draw.
Neville had to be out in the forest too because of the Prophecy. The centaurs say that star gazing is not an exact science and eventually Harry does face Voldemort in the forbidden forest and dies but this after it is established to us readers that he is in fact the chosen one. They just were reading the stars ahead of schedule. I wonder if all the details of the prophecy and Harry vs Neville we’re not full established yet so there could be the possibility that Neville would play a bigger role in which case he needed to also be in the forest that night per prophecy and had Draco not scared him, he may have been the one to face Voldemort rather than Harry.
I just want to know how bad George and Fred's were compared to the trios before they got to school. It sounds like they were the ones that are dragging Gryffindor down. By the way Hagrid says that he spent most of his life around the forbidden Forest? Also yeah she probably was told by Dumbledore that they needed to learn their lessons by being scared in the forbidden Forest that's why they did it.
I think the difference is that the trio are legitimately ashamed and scared of punishment where Fred and George almost wear it as a badge of honor.
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Watchers are a somewhat common plot element, but they also often do interfere at some point. For example the time lords in Doctor Who swore to not interfere… but then they constantly do. The prime directive in Star trek basically says to watch (because they need to see when someone develops a warp drive or becomes a threat), but not interfere… but then Kirk and others constantly do.
Hagrid: "There's nothing in the forest that's hurt you if you're with me or Fang!" Also Hagrid: "I knew it! There's something in here that shouldn't be!" 😐
I have a theory as to why they’re sent into the forbidden forest as detention for staying out late… could it be that in order to impress upon the students the dangers of being out alone at night in the castle or grounds, they simply feel the best way to do it is show them the actual dangers around in the presence of a “responsible” adult? Seems like a teachable moment kind of situation? Or maybe just to impress upon Harry the dangers around because while he is the chosen one that only means that voldemort can’t kill him, not that his own stupid head diving into dangerous situations can’t oil him, coz those very much could kill him
I think the Voldemort has the body turned around so he is facing forwards, and then begins to crawl (like in a horror movie) with Quirrels arms and legs backwards under the cloak and that’s why he’s so low to the ground and dragging the rest of the cloak
Was Neville's father's wand working against him as badly as Charlie's was for Ron? Could be a factor for him being not so great a the of the books just like Ron.
Quirrel definitely isn’t powerful enough to use avada kedavra because if he was he would have used it to kill the unicorn. Instead he did something that caused it to bleed and to survive the encounter, two things the killing curse doesn’t do And unlike with Fluffy killing a unicorn doesn’t tip anyone off that there’s a larger plan underway
1:07:13 omg just realized that baron’s chains are a part of the castle hence part of the dragon hence is at least in contact to Peevse’s control room! And same a headmaster probably
About Bloody Baron theories: I wonder if he really was "Fred and George before Fred and George" - and Weasley twins were compared to James and Sirius - would that make the Baron kind of James Potter of his time and Helena Ravenclaw then Lily Evans of her time? James was popular and a joker (also a bully...) and Lily was bright and beautiful witch; and so were the Baron and Helena. Helena's blood status isn't revealed iirc but she might have been half-blood, too, although the same might be for the Baron. And then Baron & Helena's love story just had not so happy ending. Well I mean Lily and James have their tragedies, too, but they do end up together, got married and had a son so compared to what happened with the two ghosts.. I don't know if there is anything to it but just tickled my mind when you speculated about the Baron and I wanted to share these thoughts.
hanging from the hands is actually really harmful. It was one of the parts of crucifixion, that hanging by their arms restricted their breathing (not all were nailed, some were just hung by ropes). And being deprived of oxygen for more than 3 minutes leads to brain damage.
I think Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore due to his visit at the orphanage. He is the first wizard he meets and he is very intimidating despite being polite. He shows Tom he knows exactly what he has been doing to the other kids and taking things as trophies from his victims. And he was the only professor who didn't fall for his 'nice quiet boy' act while he was at Hogwarts. so he knows if there's one wizard who can find out what he is up to, it is Dumbledore.
I think the reason Dumbledore was stuck in limbo was because Harry was his unfinished business, he was stuck in the limbo similar to how ghosts are stuck on Earth
Professor McGonagall: “I’ve never been more ashamed of Gryffindor students.”
George Weasley: “What are Fred and I, next-door neighbours?”
Underated comment my friend
You can’t imagine a world where someone like Harry, with an impressive, well-known story of defying odds to do great things, would not be more universally beloved.
Hm.
Maybe we should ask J. K. Rowling if she knows any real life people who have experienced widespread contempt in spite of doing their best to use their gifts, to stand up for what they believe, after overcoming enormous odds.
I bet she knows of at least one person like that.
“Really professor? James, Sirius, Lupin, Peter, Fred, and George have all done way worse shit than sneaking out”
@@andreanewell628 Harry believes in sacrificing himself for others and doing good though. He forgives, he accepts everyone for what they are, he doesn't randomly spread hatred about groups he isn't involved with...
I think what Hagrid meant by nothing would hurt them if they’re with Fang is that anything in the forest powerful enough to hurt them would recognize Fang and think “oh they’re with Hagrid” and leave them alone. So it’s less about Fang’s ability to protect them and more about Fang signaling to the centaurs, acromantulas etc that Neville and Malfoy are with Hagrid.
(Which given what happens with Aragog a book later is kinda funny)
I always figured he feared Dumbledore because he was the only person to see flashes of the true Tom Riddle, even if it was only during their first meeting. Dumbledore, as Harry said in Chamber, “saw right through you,” and the fact Voldemort knew he couldn’t control or manipulate him (in addition to Dumbledore being his magical equal, at the very least) terrified him.
11 year-olds always think they're in a world unto themselves, especially once they find their friend group, but even if that wasn't true, Harry grew up without any adults to help him. Ron always felt overlooked by his family-- even if he ends up being just as spoilt as Malfoy when the chips are down-- and Hermione must have had tiger parents because she's too afraid of being seen as incompetent to ever think of asking anyone for help. So, none of them are going to have a first instinct to go to an adult for help.
My favorite thing about Dumbledore returning the cloak to Harry is that in the beta days of pottermore when you would go around and click stuff in the scene they depicted it like Harry draped the cloak over a piece of furniture which turned it and the furniture invisible. That implies that Dumbledore was just up there shuffling around with his feet trying not to bump into anything but still having to feel around to find this damn priceless magical artifact that this damn 11 year old left laying around
I just realised the unicorn blood was to keep Quirrel alive,not Voldemort. We know Voldemort possessing snakes and rats killed them so he probably was killing Quirrel and so Quirrel drank the unicorn blood to stay alive
Edit: In the past,teachers could beat up children with canes in the UK. Being hung by chains in the basement isn't as much of a stretch as you might think
Yeah, hitting children was much more culturally accepted and common than any of us might wish to admit. Here in germany, beatings weren't uncommon at all until the 50s and even some schools did it in the 60s. There are some old folk talking about their fingers being splintered, some had lasting injuries from this.
The teachers had the right to beat them on their bare butt, on stretched out fingers and even slap them both on the back of the head and the cheek. Pulling and pinching someones ears and nose were also a thing. Public humiliation was also part of it, like the stereotypical dunce cap still seen in older cartoons - in germany it was a pair of donkey ears that was most commonly used. It was a rather common thing in germany and europe as a whole.
Its absolutely horrendous and wrong. It was never meant to leave lasting damage, but it absolutely did, both physically at times and definitly psychologically. In germany it was even done for not having clean and neatly cut fingernails, which were checked every morning. And this wasn't some Nazi thing, they did it too of course and went further, but it was something everyone did. If you misbehaved, your parents hit you and verbally abused you. If you did it at school, your teacher would do that. It's absolutely crazy looking back, but at the time, it wasn't seen that way by most folk.
I think putting someone in chains and lock them in a dungeon or hanging them from their thimbs is more of a medieval torture method, that wouldn't be used in schools, but this is clearly JK Rowling parodying this kind of mentality. Just like the ministry of magic is a parody of insanely incompetent politicians and weird rules and the overall disorganized british government and the money system is a parody of the old english money system, which wasn't that far off of the weird sickle to galeon excgange rates.
This overly cruel punishment system is a parody of older european penal systems for children. Also, considering Filch has to be about 60 if not older and this takes place in the 90s, its isn't unthinkable at all that he has actually seen punishments like those be done to students... its still weird to imagine Dumbledore being fine with this, but it isn't at all out of the realm of possibility, I mean, Dumbledore would have seen this done even more commonly, when he was young.
Oh. I like the Quirrel thing!
@@Baalslegion07 Absolutely true. The past was horrendous
Not-so-fun fact: teachers can still legally beat children in over a quarter of US states.
I'm not sure about Quirrel. JKR hadn't figured out the Horcruxes yet when she wrote the first book. The floating figure in the movie suggests it's Voldemort Prime in his bodyless form.
One of your next videos should be all the ways Voldemort was his own worst enemy.
They’ve done some videos about it-I think there’s one called something about don’t let Voldemort plan your wedding.
@@422katieleigh thanks
I also never connected the "no no never again" with killing unicorns. I love that there is still so much to uncover
Something to think about and ponder about the Bloody Baron is that he is the only ghost of the 4 that commited murder in life as well as the only one to commit suicide. As such he carries the chains of his guilt with him. This may give him some addtional ability to "harm" or cause discomfort to other spirits. Even Nearly Headless Nick is scared of the Baron.
I think the reason that they never go to the teachers is because the books were originally written for children. As adults we recognize that we have the power/ability to fix things. But here the trio are sixth graders and have the attitude that “grownups don’t know anything” and it is appealing to the mindset of the target audience.
Also until later books every time he does go to the teachers they either dont believe him or they withhold critical information from him.
This attitude is something that would have been instilled in Harry by the Dursley's as well. You can't trust authority figures.
Not to mention, Harry grew up in an abusive home. If you grew up learning, you can’t trust the adults around you, that’s a very tough mindset to break. And also, he gets proved right - when he does go to the adults, they dismiss him or think he’s lying.
@@422katieleigh cause that NEVER happens to children..... /s
Or they realized once they went to the teachers to solve a problem, that would have been the answer to all of their problems. So there wouldn't be much of a story. That's why they have snape being the roadblock teacher to make them realize they can't go to them
I always assumed the late night punishment thing was in the same vein of the old school punishments you hear about sometimes where you make a kid smoke a whole box of cigarettes or something. The idea being, "Oh you think it's fun to be out of bed getting into potentially dangerous hijinks, well I'll show you some dangerous hijinks and maybe next time you'll think twice about it."
That and I always assumed that they got off pretty easy with the detention because Hagrid would have explained some things to Dumbledore even if that explanation never hit Harry's ears.
That back fired for me they did the smoking trick when caught at 17 I'm now 32 and still hooked :( don't smoke people it's horrible but so hard to kick.
Sure, but that type of punishment is usually done by a parent, not an institution.
This is what I was thinking as well!
I thought the same
I always thought that Voldemort was scared of Dumbledore is because Dumbledore was never afraid of him. We keeps calling him Tom and knows to much about Voldemort, which scares him.
For example the things Tom Riddle tells Dumbledore in the orphanage.
It's worth noting that McGonagall doesn't just think they've been out of bed after hours. She has come up with a story as to why, involving Harry and Hermione luring Malfoy out of bed specifically to get *him* in trouble, basically exactly what Malfoy tried to do to them earlier in The Midnight Duel. That's probably what she sees as shameful, and why she takes so many points off them.
Yeah that was overlooked in this episode, and McGonagall thought that they fooled not just Malfoy but Neville too, just for fun. That of course wasn't the case but because Harry and Hermione couldn't tell the truth - yeah it seemed just sus and explains why she was so, so disappointed.
She does kinda do Neville dirty tho. Gotta say.
Ikr
@@malcolm32 McGonagall is consistently rather horrible to Neville and it's very rarely addressed. Banned from Hogsmeade for life and forced to wait on the floor with some trolls every evening in book 3, singled out and told "don't embarrass us in front of Durmstrang" in book 4...honestly, I'm surprised she's not sharing his Boggart with Snape.
@@DevilboyScooby It's weird tho in book 5 she's super nice to him. Maybe tough love is just her default (despite negative reinforcement clearly not being what Neville needs) and decides to be nice once she's not his teacher anymore. Sort of a "I don't have to be hard on you, it's not my job to make you better anymore" kind of thing. Just a theory.
1:01:43 Voldy actually says it himself in Deathly Hallows that Dumbledore knew Tom Riddle too well, that Dumbledore might understand him and unravel his secrets and plans. Not for nothing he might’ve been afraid to be exposed as a half-blood and loose support of Umbriges of the wizarding world
The theory about why centaurs were so upset with Firenze makes so much sense!
Well that's because it's not a theory, that is exactly what it is. It's true.
I always assumed Avada Kedavra wouldn't have worked on Fluffy because big monsters are magically resistant. Quirrel probably could have AKed a person but it wouldn't work against something like a dragon because a dragon has magic resistance. I assume that magic resistance is something common amongst big monsters. They're own internal magic counteracts external magical attacks.
Right that makes sense, and nobody is hitting giants with AK during the battle of hogwarts
I thought it could be because Fluffy is a Cerberus, and mythologically Cerberus guarded the underworld, so he might have some resistance to death in general.
@@anivijudi this I've always taken as the reason, which is also likely why it was a beast like Fluffy that guarded the entrance, and why the whole harp/music gig was so necessary, being a beast so mythological connected, like dragons they are likely incredibly potent in magic, and thus resistant to magic. Hagrid is HALF giant and it takes like, 6 stunning spells to evenly mildly subdue him, so for a literal Cereberus to be resilient to more powerful dark magic makes sense. Hence why he guards the trapdoor, he would be insurpassable if the music thing hadn't been blabbed
Yeah I think that makes sense. And killing the dog seems unnecessary since they know a very effective way anyway. And we don't even know if Quirrell can cast Avada Kedavra at all as mentioned in the podcast, let alone be powerful enough to kill a magical creature like that. There's nothing that indicates that Quirrell is an exceptional wizard of any kind. He's 'just a teacher'. And at this point in the story Voldemort is definitely not strong enough to kill Fluffy. I mean all Voldemort could do to kill Harry is ask Quirrell to strangle him... To me there's basically no way he could have defeated Fluffy in battle.
@@jaspermooren5883 that also tracks, I don't know how well established the power scaling of AK is in the lore, as JnB say in the pod "Moody" says the whole thing about the not being able to kill him if they just pointed the wand and said the words cos of the need for malice and meaning to it. But I don't know how well it would scale with power in this instance. Like if wizards are more powerful than others, does that mean their magic is MORE potent, so could AK not kill fluffy for like 99% of wizards, but someone like, Dumbledore or a full strength Voldy be able to take out a beast with magical resistance like Fluffy with the same spell based off sheer power? I pride myself on my potter knowledge but I cannot say if that's true
The fight-or-flight reactions are actually five. Fight, flight, freeze, flop, fawn.
Fight and flight are obvious, freeze is obvious, flop is the "play dead" reaction, fawn is the "make it happy maybe it'll spare you" reaction.
I think no one has heard of flop or fawn because those seem more like something you have to think of. I doubt many if any people's natural instinct is to make someone happy. And playing dead really only works if you are already on the ground and looking dead, which could be an extension of Freeze.
Fight or Flight or Freeze are things we do without having to think at all. Our brains do it for us.
I had to pause the video to type this. But I always thought Voldemort was partially scared of Dumbledore because Dumbledore knew things about him that nobody else did. For example, Dumbledore found out about his thievery and bullying, that he could speak to snakes and such. He didn’t have his guard up at that time. Dumbledore could see past his charming facade and could call his bluff when nobody else could. And as you said, Dumbledore is the strongest wizard. I think those things made Voldemort so fearful of Dumbledore because he could undoubtedly stop him or subdue him if he so desired.
It was explained in the extra lore that the werewolves that are in the Forbidden Forest all the time, are actually The Offspring of human werewolves. When two transformed werewolves mate while in their Beast form, the babies that result are born as wolves, but ones that are unusually intelligent. It has been a practice to release those wolves into the Forbidden Forest, and they actually serve as a form of protection for Hogwarts.
Was literally typing out my hypothesis when I found your comment!! Thank you!!
That's some cool lore that I never heard before, thanks!
Also I'm totally gonna steal that for my D&D game.
@@jaspermooren5883 Definitely cool for a D&D game, but be warned, at least one player will want a wolf for their own. haha
.... i wonder about how that pregnancy/birth goes.
Get in trouble for helping Hagrid with creatures in the middle of night. Get punished by helping Hagrid with creatures in the middle of the night. 😅
Re Fluffy:
1) it REALLY upsets people when you off the dog
2) maybe Fluffy is too magical to be hit with the killing curse
Yea I imagine a creature that is included in Ancient Greek mythology is probably too magical to be injured severely by a single wizards magic. Like hagrid or acromantula.
@@conormurphy4328 we also see it with the stunning spells and the dragons in Goblet.
Hagrid Wick
@@amydhmrubeus wick? john hagrid?
Peeves listens to the Bloody Baron because he can intentionally scare the students enough to quell their mischief, which would weaken Peeves as a poltergeist. 1:07:50
As for making sparks from your wand, it is almost too easy to make them. In _Goblet of Fire,_ Harry tries to polish his wand surreptitiously at the Weighing of the Wands, and sparks come out for which Fleur gives Harry a scathing look.
I think the reason why Harry’s scar hurts more in this scene is that it’s directly after Voldemort drinks the unicorn blood, so he is the strongest than he has been throughout the year
My favorite chapter on all of harry potter is chapter 35 of GoF Veritasirum. Barty crowch Jr's confession and Dumbledores handling of the situation and his reaction once fudge starts to almost immediately freak out
We got what 2 more years til we get to that one if they are doing a chapter a week lol
I had a self-published book of theories, pre-Goblet of Fire, put together by one of the earliest HP fan forums that speculated Voldemort's spirit was not inhabiting Quirrell's body in the forest but a Lethifold (as he possessed other creatures before Quirrell discovered him), based on the description of a Lethifold from Fantastic Beasts. I've always thought it was pretty solid
[Quirrell physically attacks Harry in the Chamber of Secrets] Voldemort: “Are you a wizard, or WHAT?!?”
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"little did he know." Stranger than Fiction reference. I love that movie.
I just wanted to let you guys know, that on Pottermore (Wizarding World), they have an article about “werewolves” in the forbidden forest, that explained how when 2 werewolves met under the full moon and mated, they had highly intelligent wolves (not werewolves). They were set in the Forbidden Forest under the permission of Dumbledore. Rumors eventually broke out in Hogwarts about werewolves in the forbidden forest, and Dumbledore instructed the teachers not to dispel the rumors. Hope this helps! I love this podcast, 1000% recommend!!!
I think reason why they send them with Hagrid is kinda show them that there is reason for the rule of not going out (also of course all Dumbledore's big plan(tm), but it's also punishment for Hagrid, to show him that he needs to keep the students safe and not be sending them on dragon quests.
Somehow the idea of the bloody baron being the predecessor to Fred and George makes his story even more tragic. To go from someone who relishes in making others laugh, to someone so sad they came back not just as a ghost, but with the bloody chains as an additional manifestation of his sorrow and regret.
To be fair Harry definitely has broken a fair number of rules that probably did deserve detention, this just happens to be the one time he didn’t actually deserve it.
I had a life-changing experience in eighth grade, where I was in a class group, and one of the other guys in the group was widely considered one of the top three most popular guys in school. Another girl in the group asked him what it is like to be popular, and his response was " I don't get why people consider me and my friends popular? I have been friends with all of them since elementary school, people only think of us as the popular guys because we all play sports…"
I've never felt that McGonagall was in the loop on a lot of the details regarding Voldemort in this book, but now you're making me reconsider!
Hagrid might never have told Dumbledore about Norbert, even if Dumbledore is unlikely to get him into trouble. He won Norbert's egg at the Hog's Head, so it might have been Aberforth who told Albus about it.
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McGonagall is so angry with Harry and Hermione because she thinks that they made up the story about the dragon in order to trick Malfoy into being out of bed, and that Neville got caught up in it as well. it wasn't the "being out of bed" thing, it was her assumption that it was a prank to get Malfoy into trouble
But that's dumb of her because why would Harry and Hermione Also be out of bed? They don't have to be up there to exercise that prank.
I have a theory on how the resurrection stone was made, and it revolves around the unicorns blood curse. We know the other 2 deathly hallows are made with thestral parts, so it would be safe to assume the stone was too. I believe it's a stone from a thestrals stomach, after consuming unicorn. Much like a bezoar or ambergris. We know thestrals are drawn to blood and eat meat. The thing is, this would never happen naturally as both these animals are quite rare, and as Hagrid states hes never known a unicorn to be hurt. So the second brother the arrogant man that wanted to humiliate death, started forcing the half life blood curse on the animal associated with death and bad omens. Thus making a deathly cursed stone. I know it's a little dark, but lots of things in the story have dark backgrounds *cough cough horcrux*
We have established that Peeves, the poltergeist, was formed from the natural boisterousness and mischievousness of students in a (magical) school. The Bloody Baron would have been one of the earliest students and/or staff members of the school, when Peeves had only started to form and wasn't very strong. It could be that the Baron taught the half-formed Peeves a lesson he never forgot.
Or perhaps the Baron, wearing bloody chains to help atone for his sins, is anathema to the spirit of mischief -- it's all fun and games till someone loses an eye, and the Baron has lost more than that.
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I always assumed that the name Bloody Baron was a nickname, just as Helena was the "Grey Lady." As someone already posted, a Baron is the lowest level of nobility. So, calling someone who goes crazy like the Baron did the Bloody Baron wasn't out of respect, but out of irony. He wasn't good enough for Helena. My guess is that, unlike Helena, he leaned into the nickname to play the role of the scary ghost. Meanwhile, Helena absolutely hated her nickname, and when you compare how she was described while living to how she is as a ghost, it seems her personality changed from being driven to be better than her mom to grumpy and morose. Why couldn't the Baron have gone from a crazy dude with an unhealthy crush to being the biggest, baddest ghost around.
People spend so much time in the forest, no way it's forbidden
The points counter is in the great hall, is there a spell that makes it know whenever professors award or subtract points? They automatically know point adjustments?
Yep, I believe we see it when McGonagall awards points at the end of order of the phoenix.
Later in the series, Draco always seems uncomfortable around Fenrir Greyback, so I have a head canon that he has a bit of a phobia of werewolves (maybe a phobia that developed specifically from meeting Greyback as a child, since Greyback is supposedly friends with Lucius), and perhaps JK Rowling had already decided on this aspect of Draco's character while writing the first book.
Hagrid didn't think that just hanging out with him was such a punishment. The stiffness was a show for Draco. He doesn't realize the dangers in the forest.
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I think the reason Peeves is afraid of the Bloody Baron is because the mischievous students are afraid of the Bloody Baron.
Came here to say this. And that Peeves has literally been there as long as there's been students. Peeves feeds of the mischievous energy, the Baron has the power to limit that energy, just like Dumbledore, but in a different way of course
Thank you so much for this podcast. Not only do I love Harry Potter, and SCB, but I have an anxiety disorder and your voices and way of having discussions really helps me calm down and gives me something to look forward to every week. Here is my question that I have been thinking about recently, after Voldemort is defeated by Lilly where does he go? How does Professor Quirrell even find him?
I believe we find out the answer to the first part of your question from Voldemort himself. After the curse rebounded he had only one thought. To get away. He ended up in the forest in Albania where Helena Ravenclaw had hidden the Diadem probably because it was the furtherest place "away" he could think of. As for how Quirrell found him Quirrell answers that himself. He was young and ambitious and nieve and had heard rumours of Voldemort being in Albania so went looking to try and find him. Whether to capture him or learn from him is never said directly. Though i think it is implied by Quirrell he wanted to capture him originally. Then Voldemort taught him a few things and Quirrell brought him back to England. Voldemort only started possessing Quirrell after the failure at Gringotts. The same rumours Quirrell heard are also what directed Wormtail toward Albania after Prisoner. Wormtail did find Voldy quicker than Quirrell though because of the rats.
With the Peeves and Baron question, my theory is that certain powerful magic can, at the very least, harm or temporarily dispel a poltergeist. Though a poltergeist is always likely to be at Hogwarts, it's already been proven that one can be dispelled and that the new one is different from the last so getting rid of Peeves would make him disappear even if a new poltergeist is born anew. Peeves seems to not want to be banished and cease existing, and so fears anyone who can truly make that a reality. That's why he fears Dumbledore. Like Ben, I think the Baron must have held that kind of power, (or perhaps still holds it even as a ghost) and that's why Peeves listens to him.
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Woaahh, never noticed the "Voldy killing Harry in the forest" foreshadowing
Hey guys. With love from Ukraine. Great podcast, great video throughout the year, listening to you wile working and then listening to you again with my wife. What do you guys think: since most of the people were afraid to form families and having kids during Voldemorts time, after he “passed” in 1981 (Harry was one), next year there would be a baby boom, so Hogwarts would start having more kids at school starting Harry’s third year and there would be more people who would be not in Slytherin from now on?
At least in this book, not going to Dumbledore makes sense when you consider that telling the truth would implicate Hagrid as their main source of information that they aren't supposed to have. As far as the kids know, they'd be getting Hagrid fired by coming clean.
what if the bloody baron was the first headmaster (or maybe the replacement for slytherin after he left) and that's why peeves listens to him, since dumbledore is another person he listens to and it seems that it is because he is headmaster (peeves is asked by him on the whereabouts of the fat lady in prisoner of azkaban)
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I also still think they missed a trick by naming Quirrel how they do and not giving him a name that evokes the Greek go Janus who is the God with two faces since Quirrell is the man with two faces but I guess that may have been two obvious but like for a kid reading the book maybe not becasue you would need knowledge of Greek mythology to understand the story of Janus.
I mean she names Lupin Lupin. Lol.
How strange. I've ALWAYS thought Quirrell's conversation not wanting to do it again was about killing another unicorn but then I was an adult when I read it.
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There’s a great article on wizarding wold that explains the werewolves in the forest. If werewolves breed while in wolf form, a different creature is born, it’s permanently a wolf but with human level intelligence, however it’s not dangerous to humans
42:07 I can’t remember where ( it may have been Pottermore, back in the day) but I have definitely read somewhere that there were, at one point, a pack werewolf/true wolf hybrids living in the Forbidden Forest that were described as being just slightly larger, hyper intelligent true wolves. I always imagined that’s where the idea that there were werewolves in the forest came from.
As a young adult when I first read this book, I always assumed that Hagrid's punishment was to monitor the children's safety, to bring the kids into the forest with him while investigating....
its always so funny to remember that these books are from harrys perspective, harry thinks hes so unliked when hes literally like the most popular kid in school, harry is so freaking oblivious that there is probably so much other stuff going on around him that we just dont know about, when him and ron fight hes like "i cant eat while knowing that ron is out there with other friends" when its literally been a day since theyve talked, most of the other characters descriptions are how harry is describing them so harry is literally just going around telling us that he thinks everyone is hot, its so funny
Your content gets me through my Sunday long runs - just ran a half while listening 🥰 Happy Holidays!!
I think that they need Neville in there to emphasize the magnitude of him standing up to the trio in “Through the Trapdoor “
I also see as an opportunity to bond...
I have read and listened to these books a hundred times but something occurred to me while listening to these podcasts.
Having Snape be a red herring in these books is not just setup for a reveal at the end of the book but evidence to support the belief at the end of book 6.
It's easy to finish the Philosophers Stone and say "oh, haha it wasn't Snape after all!" But there needs to be enough clues that even though he's cleared in this book, when he flees with the death eaters, you question every thing in every other book. No, he wasn't the one trying to steal the stone directly but it still needs to look like he was helping to steal it. That is until we find out he is just finding out information for Dumbledore.
There's like 3 layers to it...
A baron is incharge of a barony. Usually a town or a counts secondary castle within the counts County.
The idea of a watcher is not uncommon in fantasy or just in mythology, though they can take different forms. Now, I'm not super well read on greek mythology, and I don't know what role, if any, centaurs play there, but I have read The Illiad and the Odyssey and the greek Gods are just always watching, and they are technically not supposed to intervene with what has been decided, but frequently do so anyway if they favor some character, either by giving them inside information or just by giving them a power boost or some divine protection against harm.
I would love to see this become a podcast that extends past the Harry Potter Series. Seeing Caesura hanging in the background makes me want to see you guys do the same for The King Killer Chronicles. Maybe by the time you finish Wise Man's Fear (Long after you finish Harry Potter), book 3 will be out xD
You two, you can make me happy.
just came over from the podcast-subscribed! comments for algorithm! the masses need to listen to this pottercast 🎉 I have been a fan for ages and it’s incredible and inspiring to see what you both have accomplished..this pod has helped me in more ways than you’ll know..I’ve suffered some losses and when I need a reprieve from my own thoughts, I dive into the world of HP..and you both are there 🤍 thanks for all you do 🎙️
In the movie, Harry sends up red sparks on Fleur's behalf with the incantation "periculum," Latin for danger.
Regarding the Midnight Duel, doesn't Ron say something about only being able to send sparks at one another?
Also, isn't it suggested that Lily is imagining sparks emanating from that regular old stick whilst talking to Sev?
J is rocking that Kenough hoodie!
I've never understood why being out of bed in the middle of the night is such a bad thing.
Funny thought about the sparks.
In dungeons and dragons, there is a cantrip ( the easiest form of casting that has no limit on the casters energy or mana pool) call presidigitation that is literally that exact thing. You can make sparks, puffs of wind, and odd odor. Even clean soiled cloths
Just wanted to add on what a baron is. Barons are the lowest rank of mobility, below counts, earls and dukes. They were brought to Britain by the Normans after the Norman conquest in 1066.
Don't tell Firenze that he actually saved Voldemort by stopping him from attacking Harry.
I hope this episode age well by book 6 I see the dedicated channel reaching 1 million subscribers ❤ keep up the good content personally love the deep dive how the smallest details evolve
Thoroughly enjoy your engagement. Picking on the dets can be entertaining. I remind myself that the story is told from the perspective of an 11 y/o. Lines such as ‘no idea how it happened’ (etc) are simply silly things many of us regularly say. Tig Notaro has a bit making fun of parents (more or less): Can you believe it? My 5 y/o is going to kindergarten (and on she goes).
OMG!! 😆 The thought of Snape just quietly “hanging out” in a colorful LAWN chair 🪑 is JUST HILARIOUS!!! 🤣 Also, in the movie, of course, Ron DOES go to the Forbidden Forrest INSTEAD of Neville; they COMPLETELY leave Neville out of this scene in the movie. And I LOVE Ron trying to confort him by saying “Don’t worry, Fred & George have lost LOADS of points for Gryffindor.” And Harry replies with, “But never in ONE night, right??” 😅 Also, didn’t you guys do a video about whether or not Quirrell COULD kill Fluffy . . . I feel like I’m remembering this specific video from you guys . . . 🤔 And I also love Hermione’s respond to Hagrid saying, “This is Bane. He’s a Centaur.” Hermione’s responds with, “We’ve noticed.” I just think that’s response is SO funny!! 🤣 Also, the idea of Hogwarts being a protection as well as a school COULD explain the chains in the dungeons, as a punishment for wizards/witches who do bad things. Like the chains are not meant for the students, but for the adults who do evil magic against muggles or something . . . 🤔 The thought of the Bloody Barren just being a complete jokester is also HILARIOUS; I LOVE that idea!! 😅😍 And there’s also just a pack of wolves 🐺 living IN the forest, I think . . . I think they’re actually wolf PUPS produced BY 2 werewolves . . . 🤔😊
I recently watched the Good Place for the first time, so glad you brought it up
“The one thing they love more than a hero. Is to see a hero fall, fail, die trying. In spite of everything you did for them, eventually they will hate you.
- green goblin 2002.
This cast is so awesome, gonna be a christmas tradition with my mom for sure as long as this series last! Happy holidays every one! :)
Maybe Quirrel used the music so he could go past Fluffy multiple times to see what the next obstacles were. That way if he couldn’t get all the way through, he could always just leave, plan more, and then try again. For example, when he gets to the mirror at the end. if Harry hadn’t shown up then he couldn’t have gotten the stone and would’ve had to leave. but since fluffy was alive, the troll would wake up, and the chess board would reset no one would know he entered
it really is so incredible how frequently you guys put out episodes
It's once a week lol
@MrJodrick This podcast is once a week. Regular SCB is twice a week, and they have a gaming channel too, but I don't know how frequently that has new videos. I imagine once or twice a week. That's 4 or 5 days a week they have some form of content coming out. Good content, too.
@@FruitfulMama I know. Thank you
Would love to see some character art with Snape sitting in a lawn chair waiting to catch Harry or the rest of the trio ? Long black robes, greasy hair, colorful chair, black flip-flops, huge umbrella and glass of cool pumpkin juice would be perfect. If only I could draw.
Neville had to be out in the forest too because of the Prophecy. The centaurs say that star gazing is not an exact science and eventually Harry does face Voldemort in the forbidden forest and dies but this after it is established to us readers that he is in fact the chosen one. They just were reading the stars ahead of schedule. I wonder if all the details of the prophecy and Harry vs Neville we’re not full established yet so there could be the possibility that Neville would play a bigger role in which case he needed to also be in the forest that night per prophecy and had Draco not scared him, he may have been the one to face Voldemort rather than Harry.
I just want to know how bad George and Fred's were compared to the trios before they got to school. It sounds like they were the ones that are dragging Gryffindor down. By the way Hagrid says that he spent most of his life around the forbidden Forest?
Also yeah she probably was told by Dumbledore that they needed to learn their lessons by being scared in the forbidden Forest that's why they did it.
I think the difference is that the trio are legitimately ashamed and scared of punishment where Fred and George almost wear it as a badge of honor.
Watchers are a somewhat common plot element, but they also often do interfere at some point. For example the time lords in Doctor Who swore to not interfere… but then they constantly do. The prime directive in Star trek basically says to watch (because they need to see when someone develops a warp drive or becomes a threat), but not interfere… but then Kirk and others constantly do.
Hagrid: "There's nothing in the forest that's hurt you if you're with me or Fang!"
Also Hagrid: "I knew it! There's something in here that shouldn't be!"
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I have a theory as to why they’re sent into the forbidden forest as detention for staying out late… could it be that in order to impress upon the students the dangers of being out alone at night in the castle or grounds, they simply feel the best way to do it is show them the actual dangers around in the presence of a “responsible” adult? Seems like a teachable moment kind of situation? Or maybe just to impress upon Harry the dangers around because while he is the chosen one that only means that voldemort can’t kill him, not that his own stupid head diving into dangerous situations can’t oil him, coz those very much could kill him
I think the Voldemort has the body turned around so he is facing forwards, and then begins to crawl (like in a horror movie) with Quirrels arms and legs backwards under the cloak and that’s why he’s so low to the ground and dragging the rest of the cloak
Was Neville's father's wand working against him as badly as Charlie's was for Ron? Could be a factor for him being not so great a the of the books just like Ron.
I seem to recall something like that from later books. When he gets his own wand it goes much better
Quirrel definitely isn’t powerful enough to use avada kedavra because if he was he would have used it to kill the unicorn. Instead he did something that caused it to bleed and to survive the encounter, two things the killing curse doesn’t do
And unlike with Fluffy killing a unicorn doesn’t tip anyone off that there’s a larger plan underway
1:07:13 omg just realized that baron’s chains are a part of the castle hence part of the dragon hence is at least in contact to Peevse’s control room! And same a headmaster probably
About Bloody Baron theories: I wonder if he really was "Fred and George before Fred and George" - and Weasley twins were compared to James and Sirius - would that make the Baron kind of James Potter of his time and Helena Ravenclaw then Lily Evans of her time? James was popular and a joker (also a bully...) and Lily was bright and beautiful witch; and so were the Baron and Helena. Helena's blood status isn't revealed iirc but she might have been half-blood, too, although the same might be for the Baron. And then Baron & Helena's love story just had not so happy ending. Well I mean Lily and James have their tragedies, too, but they do end up together, got married and had a son so compared to what happened with the two ghosts..
I don't know if there is anything to it but just tickled my mind when you speculated about the Baron and I wanted to share these thoughts.
hanging from the hands is actually really harmful. It was one of the parts of crucifixion, that hanging by their arms restricted their breathing (not all were nailed, some were just hung by ropes). And being deprived of oxygen for more than 3 minutes leads to brain damage.
I think this chapter is prime for a What If? Like what if Fierenze hadn’t interfered in Forbidden Forest?
I think Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore due to his visit at the orphanage. He is the first wizard he meets and he is very intimidating despite being polite. He shows Tom he knows exactly what he has been doing to the other kids and taking things as trophies from his victims. And he was the only professor who didn't fall for his 'nice quiet boy' act while he was at Hogwarts. so he knows if there's one wizard who can find out what he is up to, it is Dumbledore.
I think the reason Dumbledore was stuck in limbo was because Harry was his unfinished business, he was stuck in the limbo similar to how ghosts are stuck on Earth