The Ultimate Guide To Mastering The Rear Brake On Your Motorcycle
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Use the rear brake EVERY TIME you brake. What on Earth are you teaching, man? Rear brake and front brake simultaneously - EVERY time. Why? - Because it will - in 100% of cases - shorten the braking distance. I rode motor bikes for many, many, MANY years. Not one single time have I ever used front or rear exclusively. You have no idea what you are teaching here. Does a car use front/rear brakes at the same time? YES always. You teach people dangerous and false stuff, man.
@@MeBallerman Then you have never braked really hard 😇
When you brake really hard at the front and shift back the bike already tends to slide out just by the decelleration caused by the engine. That's why slipper clutches are used in racing, to prevent lockups. There's no weight on that rear tyre then and adding more braking will slide it out. Rear brakes mainly used to create a bit more stability when for example going down a hill. Ever compared a rear tyre disc and brake pads to the front ? There's not much braking power and not a lot of feel in the rear.
@@MeBallerman I agree 100%. Yes, apply more force on the front brakes, but use the rear too, as you will ALWAYS stop in a shorter distance...
You should never ride on the streets so fast that you have to worry you'll lose total traction at the rear wheel while braking, and if you have ABS, you'll never lose traction there while braking...
I visited a course once and the trainer taught me this: Whenever I drive into a curve, I do all the stuff for entering the curve properly (right speed and lane selection) but when I'm inside the curve, I keep the rear brake slightly engaged while still giving some gas. This makes the bike very stable and it feels like it stretches a little bit. It's like trail braking with the rear brake. Sometimes, I even add the front brake if I need more stopping power. Sounds like a lot of work and complicated but it feels natural when I do it and I greatly improved my cornering doing that.
Nice!
Dude! That’s exactly been my learning experience in my first 2.5 years at 58. I apply the rear brake while throttling in 2nd or 3rd gear in my local, 35mph roundabouts!!! Stability and power under control!
I use this technique every single ride, specially in traffic jams. It's really effective and safe. I wonder why it's not teached on basic course. I also use it to finnish the traffic lights stop gently, with elegant style instead of kissing my handlebar.
@@StarskiPL they do teach that 😂 looks like not every class is taught the same, but that is common knowledge.
You can engine brake and then just stop with the rear brake, smoothest way to roll to a stop.
@@blizzthebike not in Poland, where I live. I have been taught this technique on additional course.
If you ignore the rear brake and only use the front, you can't stop as fast. Using the rear brake allows you to be more aggressive with the front. If you're worried about locking up the rear, you need to practice more. Pretending the rear brake doesn't exist isn't the answer.
Let me preface this by saying that I've been riding for 56 years and the VAST majority of my riding is done on public roads and streets. I've been hearing a lot of "sometimes" in this video. Braking is a very dynamic and variable situation. Different situations require different techniques. For most street riding, as a general rule of thumb, I lead with the rear brake and stop with the front. Leading with the rear lends to greater stability in braking while the front gives you the stopping power. Although locking either brake should be avoided, a rear lockup is easier to handle and correct than a front lockup. A rear lockup will generally drag the back of the bike, perhaps with a slight dog track. With a front lockup the likely result is a front end washout, and you're going down. However this whole thing goes out the window on a bike with integral braking. With such a system the foot brake operates the rear brake and partial front brake, In some systems the hand brake works the front and partial rear. There is no cast in stone technique for braking. As this video shows, the braking technique is highly dependent on the situation. It's best said to know your bikes braking system and develop a technique that works best with that system. As a motorcycle mechanic I've met very many people that have a bike with integral brakes that don't know that they have them.
@martinhauk1852 well said, i admit i have ABS, but it's good to know how your brakes respond in different situations, everyday is different. that's why i love riding motorcycles.
Assuming that you don't have a service or owners manual, you can support the bike upright with both wheels off of the ground. Then apply the foot brake and try to rotate the front wheel. If it doesn't rotate, you have at least partial integral brakes. Then with the transmission in neutral, apply the hand brake and try to rotate the rear wheel. If it won't rotate you have full integral brakes, and either the hand brake or the foot brake will apply braking to both wheels.
your opinion of hondas linked brake system on the VFR and others ??
I so wait to see what you will bring up next. Fantastic videos. I have been riding for 35 years now and I have learned so much from you, man. I own Goldwing DCT Tour. Most of the times, I use engine braking with the paddle shifter and slight rear and more front. Twisties, PS 90%, 10% F/ 5% R. Ramping onto a HWY and slowing down, if needed, front mainly. Great video !!!!
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this is the first time i have seen this video. your instruction from previous cornering video's has helped a bunch. i do everything you said, like coming to a stop at red lights, light front, engine braking, then the last ways rear, the stops are so much smoother than grabbing front to complete stop. my main point is with more seat time, different roads, common sense should take over and expierience helps to become better rider. thank you for your instruction, it sure has helped me. (i am 68 yrs old and just started riding again 3 years ago)
keep it up grampa.
Good tips. With a pillion aboard I tend to adjust the bias slightly to more rear brake. It gives the pillion a more comfortable time and helps prevent helmet banging. Also, the rear is more effective than when I'm ridibg solo due to the additional weight over the rear tyre.
Drop my bike 2 days ago and broke front brake lever and a long way home, and realise its a good skill to have, now I kn ow how to use my back brake, yes all the things you talk of in the vid that what I did. I quite enjoyed it in the end, it will always be in my diet now. And thank you
Something I picked up from Casey Stoner that translates to the street is dragging a bit of rear brake when you are mid corner and hit a bump or the suspension gets out of sync for whatever reason. It will sink the suspension down just enough to settle everything down and keep you from going wide.
Great video! I've been riding for about 6 years and would like to share what I would do in each scenario.
For city driving (below 30mph), I pretty much only use engine braking and the rear brake. I do tap the front brakes every now and then but I don't do that too often. If I'm going a little faster, perhaps I'm on the highway doing around 70mph and I need to slow down, then I would use a combination of both the front and rear brakes. In this situation, as you said, I would slowly ease off the rear brake as the rear suspension unloads to avoid locking the rear wheel. I'm an intermediate track rider. I've been going on track days for about 2 years, in which I've tried out a bunch of different braking techniques and I'll share what worked best for me. As I'm approaching a braking zone before a corner, just before the braking point, I shift down to the correct gear for the corner while simultaneously tapping the rear brake. I found that tapping the rear brake just before the braking point helps stabilize the bike. At the braking point, I completely come off the rear brakes and trail brake with the front. Then as I hit the apex, I apply a little bit of rear brake (about 15-20% brake pressure) and simultaneously accelerate. As you said, the tiny bit of rear brake helps keep the front down. I've seen people being a lot more aggressive with the rear brake on corner exit, but I personally feel that any more than 20% rear brake pressure, hurts your drive off the corner more than anything else. This is just my opinion though. As you said, some people drive very quick and are very aggressive on the rear brakes on the corner exit. What works for them doesn't work for me though. I suggest you try out a few different techniques and find out what works best for you. Hope at least someone found this helpful!
The vid sounds a little bewildering at first,
But hey, I'm just starting to learn, riding and practicing when I can (it's icy winter 🥶 right now, here in Ohio) . Working on the white belt so far and feeling better with each practice. (On a 300cc naked street bike ( benelli 302s) it'll be plenty for me to handle for quite a while). Really appreciate the videos and the Motojitsu rationale. Thanks.
Looking forward to more courses in early spring and to seeing and hearing more Motojitsu videos, I never get tired of hearing good advice.
Nice instructional video, you earned my submission. I plan on taking the safe riding course and get me tw200 just to commute. Plan on getting the venrable KLR 650
I know nothing beats practice, but your videos have helped tremendously in my classroom studies, thank you! Going to be a "new" rider come this spring (ive ridden before, but it was limited and a couple decades ago.) and your videos have shown me that there is nothing too difficult about riding that cant be overcome with proper training and practice...which comes BEFORE you hit the streets, not after. My long term goal is to cruise with my Daughter and Son, before i EVER think of putting them on my bike, I will be properly trained, and have many many miles by myself. We will start in the parking lot doing maneuvers to get them used to the bike, how to mount the bike, dos and dont while riding, etc. Be safe everyone, happy cruisin!
Rear brake I use a lot because I live where there is a lot of loose gravel and dirt roads.
If you use the front brake more than the rear on a loose surface, knobbies dont help you stop they help you corner and accelerate, your front end is going to slip out from under you. Your pushing weight to the front and slowing down the front wheel at the same time, it will slide. Front wheel slides means no control, if the rear slides you can control it.
And when slowing down in traffic and at parking lots! with very good control. Especially when turning.
Hi Mr MotoJitsu. Full respect for all the effort you put into making these videos, the world is a better place for you. I have a question on riding I haven’t seen answered anywhere. In the twisties When you take a corner too fast and going over the other side of the road say 50/60mph what’s the best thing to do, lean the bike more, brake harder? Can you push too hard and lean too much as that sort of speed ??
Not sure if I’ve asked it right but I was out with some friends a few weeks ago and the guy in front took the corner too quick and was on the wrong side of the road, obviously we are trying not to do this kind of thing but in case it does happen can you do a video on does and doesn’t in this situation. Thank you very much
I was taught to brake with the rear fractionally sooner, especially when about to brake hard. This helps prevent the front washing away.
Correct and flipping over the bars.
Very good info for me. Being on a cruiser I learned 30/70 usage in regards to rear/front break. Obviously this is wrong but never noticed as I cruise like if I was in a car always keeping my speed manageable at my level. Looks like I have some technique rewiring to do! Cheers!
Cruisers are the heaviest class of bike short of baggers so there's a reason they use the 70/30 ratio, especially for emergency stops. Practice rear brake control for sure; but don't go so far as to become rear-brake dominant, especially if your bike uses cheap brake discs/pads.
I spent the first 5+ years of riding learning on off-road bikes...so I used rear-brake all the time then. Riding the street, I always start engaging the rear brake as I use the front brake. It may be wrong, but that's what I do.
My tenere has linked braking front rear together and i love it u can deactivate it by pressing rear pedal first i trail brake in twisties but i think combined braking is a real safety aspect of braking on a big bike 😎
The amount of hard work you are putting in these videos is just phenomenal
I was always taught to use rear brake with any lean angle and combined with front in a straight line. If too hot, straighten up and emergency brake with both.
Use my rear brake all the time, in conjunction with the front brake of course!!
Thanks, a lot of great information here.👍👍👍
great video iv been riding for over 40 years and the big problem iv always had with the back brake is i can't feel the peddle through my boot so don't really use it any advise on that
cheers
Rear brake is necessary to use when it's gravel and/ or when it's slippery! And in slow speed, like in traffic ques.
Perfect when slowing down on curvy roads! in fast curves or slow curves, in any curve!😎👍🇸🇪🇦🇷
Using the rear brake was my worst habit when I starting riding. It started on a 86 Suzuki 4 wheeler I use to drive that had really crappy front brakes so I just always used the rear brake, which is fine I guess, but does NOT translate to driving a motorcycle, and it took me quite a while to break the habit, I just started pretending the back brake doesn't work and used only my front for a while and that helped a lot lol.
Great video! Thanks!
Good stuff. I use rear brake only for coming to a stop and (fairly) slow speed manoeuvring (max 60kph/37mph).
You mentioned something very important a couple of times - engine braking. In big twins like my BM and presumably Hogs etc, engine braking is a lot of rear wheel braking as soon as you button off. No need for more rear wheel braking when you're unloading the wheel already! Engine braking is pretty variable between bikes but it's usually significant.
I would NOT recommend practising or doing emergency stops with any rear brake, because in the heat of the moment it is too easy (particularly for most of us who also drive cars) to stomp too hard and lose the rear. Many of us have learnt that the hard way.
I have no idea if this is correct but when I'm braking for a corner I tend to lightly apply the rear first (By like .3 sec) to load up the front suspension before blending in the front brakes. I also trail off the front before the rear. Seems the smoothest way.
Nice stuff.
Keep it up.
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I have never trail braked front brake into a corner but will use the rear because it just adds that ability to fine tune direction of the bike through the corner. Im washing off most of the speed with both brakes and engine braking before using the back brake to steer the bike until I can see the exit.
Most of my riding is on city traffic on a CBR 150R first gen carbureted, I probably use more the rear brake than front brake, for me rear brake smooth things out, so it is great on tight traffic situation, little bit of rear brake when downshifting revmatch also makes the bike feels way more smooth specially for the passenger on the back seat.
I have not watched the video yet, nor have I ridden a motorcycle. But I have ridden a few dirtbikes and mopeds and I try to balance both front and rear brake at the same time. I have heard of people locking up their rear and front brake. But I still havent managed to do that even in the winter with snow everywhere. But again I think the big factor for that is that im driving a small moped, at 20 mph...
Great videos, thanks!
I dropped my bike the day I got it and bent the rear pedal, so now I only have front break. I need to get it back to the shop to repair it, but for that I'll have to drive on the highway, and I'm afraid to do it with just the front break, as I am inexperienced. So now I'm training to drive with just the front break until I'm skillful enough to drive the thing to the shop.
Remembered one of your videos yesterday. Went out and only used throttle on some nice mountain roads. Was great fun! Always good to go back and refresh basic skills!
Good stuff. I had 1 question. This does not help much for cruiser bikes. Part of it yes. It works. But the rest... However fast I go I have to use both the brakes. Coz, the weight does not shift to the front however hard I brake...
My practice, l always use rear brake first with just a light push. Till I feel the bike is slowing down then apply front brake to full stop! In this way I feel my bike have an ABS though it hasn't. But the most important of all is always respect the road and your bike, else no matter what kind of braking you have if you mess around...
I thought Im doing it wrong. People tell me to use all the brakes I need you before the corner. This video gave me confidence knowing that Im on the right track.
I've been riding for over 20 years. The OGs taught me to NEVER touch the rear break! I have had 8 bikes in 20 years and I have never touched my rear break. So I'm one of those "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." But I wouldn't discourage anyone who wants to use them.
Yeah, I'm with you, I only use my rear break to hold on a slope after having stopped to free up my right hand.
When we ride the dirt trails in the Sierra mountains in WA State in the USA - the first thing you learn - never use the front brake!
Use front brake only except last part of braking to a stop or rear brake only on gravel or loose dirt. Otherwise use front only trailbraking right to the apex. Only time I turn with no brake is on tight low speed corners when I will pull the clutch in so tyre grip is cornering only.
I find myself using more rear brake than front on street vs motocross....terrain is even with grip at all times usually.....For normal riding......it is far different than riding dirt bikes where traction is always limited and contact patch is never consistent
Faster pace it's different
Brakes can help balance the bike out, experimenting and getting really good with them is invaluable......
Nice job!
I think this should be taught as a cardinal rule - NEVER touch the front brake when going slow with the front wheel turned at all.
The only time I’ve gone down (3 mph) - was caused by doing this this.
That's not true...only matters how you use the front brake. You didn't go down because you used the front brake, you probably grabbed it...and grabbing is the issue.
I always use both front rear. Pure preference.
You're really good at drawing!
It’s been years since I’ve rode a motorcycle but I always used to use both the front and back brakes together.
Excellent Sir. Thanks
I ride DCT which is a bit heavier than r bikes and most the time I am on the rear brake.
I used to ride scooters probably that's were it comes from.
Thank you for this ❤…
The GS has linked brakes. Applying the front partially applies the rear. This does not apply if you just use the rear brake
Riding styles differ. Pedrosa’s Honda had a small rear disk in comparison to Hayden’s, based on NH motocross background and how he used to slide the bike into the corners. For me it’s rear for dirt and front for tarmac with a combination of front and rear if giving it some
I use my rear brake when I want to skid around, low speed turns, and stopping at stop signs mostly.
I paid for two brakes and I use both. Modulation of either as needed is the key. But I also learned to ride off-road first. There are times you want to skid the rear wheel. I don’t know, it just comes with years of riding.
I use to struggle keeping up with my buddies going up hill on tight mountain turns. I found the using the rear brake to tighten the turn works real well when going up hill
accelerating from the apex is good for that, also
Don’t ever try to keep up with anyone.
When coming to a holt at speed regulate both front and back at the same time with more emphasis on front brake.
Rear break is for two things: low speed maneouvers, or locking the rear wheel for some sick slide action.
I went into a corner a little hot yesterday and locked up rear tire and skidded around the corner. I've only ridden 2 bikes. Bike 1 did not have linked brakes, which allowed for maintaining rear brake pressure while adding front brakes. New bike has linked brakes... it turns out that when you add front, rear pressure must be adjusted. I recovered it, but learned a frightening lesson.
if you go into a corner hot, the rear brake should be the last thing on your mind to use at all....and if you do..don't push down hard enough to lock it up.
@MotoJitsu There’s a right turn coming up at .5 miles. I’m doing 120 and I start engine braking ahead of the turn.
I have one guy telling me that if I am not comfortable making the turn at 75mph to trail brake and I have another guys telling me to get all of my braking done before the turn… Which is correct?
I learnt to stay at least on the rear break while stopping at a sign to lower the impact of a car crashing me from behind.
when I stand at a traffic light I also keep my foot on the rear brake and let the front go if you do this it become automatic and will be better when you are on a sloop or a hill and you have not this automatism yet you will drop the bike for sure
A beginner here (never rode a motorcycle). That's a lot to process. Too many possible scenarios, I'm very confused. I don't think I'm ready for this yet. I'll come back after I go through the beginner's course at the local school and when I get a bike of my own.
I'm a begginer also ..been riding around my neighborhood only....it is overwhelming, all the info out there, just take your time and you will slowly find what works best for you and then start to implement some of the tutorials here not a of them will feel comfortable to you so take what you need. It is alot of fun riding.....be safe and good luck to you. BTW I've only been riding for 1 month.
I disconnected the rear brake on my 1972 H2, mostly because I kept hitting my shin on it kick starting the bike.
A lot of modern bikes have a combined braking system. For example, My Road Glide has ELB (ELECTRONIC LINKED BRAKING) and C-ELB (CORNERING ENHANCED ELECTRONIC LINKED BRAKING) (which i can't switch off). What 's the advice for these riders ?
Just use it if it works for you ;)
Good presentation
u rock bro !!!!!
Rarely use rear brake BUT when i panic stop, i tend to lock up the rear brake. Dont know why
Maybe its muscle memory from being a kid on a bicycle? But im working on it! 😃👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I gradually use both brakes basicly all the time.
Using the rear brake less and less.
Trailbraking is on my to do list, have executed it atleast once successfully.
I use rear brake only when i m doing wheelie or when i need to emergency stop with a propotion of 60% front+40% rear.
Pretty much rider preference and you will figure out what you feel safe with on your own.
One my lessons I was told to use the rear brake as a handbrake on a hill start.
If you want to slow down or stop fast, you are best to spend all of your concentration on the front brake and the grip you have available on the front tire. You can ride any bike anywhere while only using the front brake to slow or stop. If you don't know this - you have a lot to learn.
i was worried that eddy hurted his hands and then realised that that must be the colurful markers
damn
Honda crosstourer 1200x - If I press the rear brake, the front brakes automatically as well
I honestly thought I was going to hit dislike. Cause most Motorcycle Rider Reviewers say only front brake or 70% Front 30% Rear. So THANK YOU for making me hit LIKE!. As a Motorcycle instructor I teach that the rear brake is far more versatile than the front brake. Go around a roundabout in 1st gear (below 20kms/h {12m/h}) ride the back brake firmly while throttling through the back brake and dont lean the bike but rather turn the handlebar, 95% of people that do that for the first time ask why someone didnt tell them that before. The other 5% take 2 or 3 more roundabouts to realise how much more control you have doing this. AND THEN they apply the idea to left and right intersection turns and realise it is so much better than leaning at slow speeds. So again thank you!
SORRY had to edit to add.. SMALL Roundabouts not large roundabouts
Great to use for wheelies
Damn right. Front wheel is useless then...
Rear only will help increase lean angle and tighten corner
Front only stands bike up and increase corner radius. We are talking just draging brake not big application.
Great explanation! 5***** You have to open a driving school 🏍
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A little Edson Range memory.
What happens if you start hitting the front break only on a bike with cbs and no abs, i had to come on a complete stop the other day from like 30 miles and lost balance in the end.. I've only been driving for a year give or take
I was riding my zx6r about a month ago. I live in Miami and people are shit drivers. I had a guy in front of me slam his breaks for no reason when I was trailing him. I was stupid, I was in the center of the lane instead of the outside, and I was way to close to him. I was going to rear end him. I slammed by back break and started easing in on the front break but I was still going to hit him. This is all in a matter of like 1 or 2 seconds. So I said fuck it and I slammed my front break too and lost control of my bike, I fishtailed and in my head I was about to highside, but the guy pulled up all of a sudden so I let go of the clutch and the breaks and the bike regained control itself. It was crazy. Lesson learned. Definitely important to know how to emergency break, understand lane positioning, and staying far away from the guy in front of you.
When coming to a stop or at traffic lights.
Just saying, I have a 1000 twin, 45000km and my back pads are from the factory. And 98% are alp roads. And in racing rear brake is used to reduce powerslide, also Stoner wanted a bigger rear brake to use it as traction control.
Been wondering how much bad habits i have with the abs. But can still stompie with it on.😅
Even with spirited riding you can do everything with front brakes only, as he says on the track he uses front only.
In gravel or blacktop with gravel and sand.
i have been riding since i have been 4 years old… i am now 54 and always owned a bike… i use both my brakes all the time every time…
MotoJitsu.. Got a modern bike w/ABS and IMU.. Yamaha. Apparently this one mixes front and rear ABS,. Yamaha needs to do an educational video on how it works. Back in the day, my big wreck was in a hard corner, locked rear wheel, hard front brake, leaning over.. I went low for the road smooch, bike went off the road doing an end over end. Lived to tell about it! Anyway, over the years I fully understand would be considered an intermediate rider. Once the rear locked with drums in the rear, they don't unlock easily. You must totally release. The finer points are near impossible to practice. New Era.. ABS is always the backup, but there is a somewhat simpler path thru for less experienced riders to get the best performance in the meantime.
Comments? With this advanced ABS, do I even need to use the rear brake other than for bike stabilization? All I can do is mess it up in a quick emergency.. like I did before.
One more.. I'd prefer to land on my right foot.. just me.. with a system like this why not??
normal city riding i use the rear almost exclusively
Road use 75 %front 25%rear dry ,in the wet 50-50
I was always told to just use rear brake during slow speeds (10mph or less). Also when using brakes you should always SLOWLY squeeze the brakes front or/and back. I was taught this when doing my beginner and main bike license. Is this not what they teach in the US?
I’m in Canada and this is what they teach. Not sure about US tho.
@@benhoey6271 it's interesting hearing the different requirements on getting licenses in other country's. In India for example they have a very short 5 min or so driving test around a course. And I heard many people fail for being too slow lol.
Use the rear brake when you want tension on the chain.
Where was this video when I figured out that the rear brake works, especially at Deal's Gap? 😂
Only video of yours I’ve watched but man I gotta tell you this ain’t anima mixed with martial arts especially jui jitstu also it’s not wrestling. It’s real life man and you are a great thinker I have too say you probably trail brake better than me from so much practice. But there’s a reason you got twice as many discs they are larger and have big calipers with more pads and bigger contact patch. I mean I got a stunt bike too with extra line a caliper that’s huge but the heat that thing can take for the same stopping force is nothing tho. I get coming in letting off the more you lean then loading the back tire and wanting to control that with the rear brake is quite a good idea and can help but at high rpms or low gears where your mostly at you decelerate quite fast so it doesn’t take much throttle change if your careful. Also that tiny little contact patch and its disc diameter that will make it have less play from just a little pressure to a lock up vs the front that’s very engineered for that and the extra heat. I agree with a combo of brakes for some situations of course but only slightly fighting your throttle control just a little to maintain the load evenly and keep the tires both loaded in a way you can know and not upset the bike that’s all fine. Back brakes for some can spell quick danger they don’t understand why they don’t work fast so they push hard lock easily then let go and a lot of times high side bad.
Just combine brakes 😁 corners frint brake slightly u call it trail braking 😁 or if i need to correct bike rare brake it slides its back slightly 😁
I'm a noob with a speed restricted bike. Max speed 28mph. I use the foot on the ground to come to a controlled stop😅
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You'll get more heat in the front tyre using the front more.