CHEAP Ford Focus RS vs NEW Focus ST!!
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- čas přidán 8. 02. 2020
- New vs Used with Fast Fords!! The Used Ford Focus RS vs NEW Ford Focus ST. Which should you buy?
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The benefit of the RS is you only need to fill it up once. By the time you walk back to the pump it'll have been stolen.
I heard the mk2s were notorious for that
@@richboy900 I had an RS2000 MK2 myself a few years ago that was stolen lol
richboy900 MK2RS and ST’s , MK3’s RS’s and ST’a and Mk7 fiesta ST’s are all heavily stolen surprisingly the MK7 ST is probably the most stolen with the abundance of them (waiting on mine being nicked any day)
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Mike Haywood who would want to steal a ford 😂🤣 madness
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Rs anyday. The new focus just looks like a big mk8 fiesta st. Not hating, just opinion- I'm sure its still a great car
richboy900 tbf that’s what all focus cars look like. They just look like bigger versions of their fiesta counterpart. That also goes for Audi’s as well.
I like them both though haha
It is a great car, I have one and test drove an RS. I loved the RS, but after driving both the ST seemed the better everyday car.
In terms of a used RS vs a new ST (which we don't get in America :()
Used RS every day of the week. Because its used, depreciation has already set in, which increases the performance value of the car. And then there is the handling with the AWD system.
The AWD system in the RS is unmatched by any other AWD system in any hot-hatch. I have never been in a car that simply knows how to put the power down no matter how ham fisted you are with the shifter. No car I've ever driven, or been a passenger in can bomb through back roads at speeds that are frankly terrifying.
So what kind of negatives do we have? Fuel Economy. These numbers are US MPG btw. The RS is a pig in comparison to the same generation ST. Using data from Fuelly, the average Focus RS comes in around 21mpg, while the ST comes in around 26mpg. Its 5mpg worse on average for most people. This mirrors my own experience with my 2013 Focus ST, vs both my 2016 Focus RS (RIP) and 2017 Focus RS (long live the king).
The ride. The RS had no need to ride so rough. Its not the spring rate that makes it terrible, its the damping, its just crap. The car needs a higher quality damper and the cheap dual rate dampers were just not worth. I would have rather seen a single rate non-adjustable damper, and a more expensive mag-ride option.
The RS is just "more" of everything, when money is equal, the ST is a foolish purchase in comparison.
but mk3's hood are just too short
Leon TheProfessional looks so shit tho..amg 45s is a million times better then any ford lol
Traded my '18 ST3 for my low mileage (10k ) '17 RS and haven't looked back. RS hands down. I think the new ST'S don't look as good as the previous generation IMO.
Agree that European ST looks like freaking Mazda speed 3 mixed with subie for sure drives amazing but me personally after I test drove the Focus RS 2017 20 k miles I was blown da fck away I was very sad returning to my 2015 ST I was like fck this car lolololol..... I'm getting it this Summer can't freaking wait....
Best thing about the RS is how controllable oversteer is on corners.
Do you own one?
@@laurahunt5146 yup 👍🏻
Funny how this video comes out a couple of months I went through the exact same decision making stage. New ST or used RS? It was a no brainer for me, really. Had to be the mark 3 RS, without a doubt.
The brand new Focus ST will depreciate.
The Focus RS will appreciate.
Focus RS is far more rare.
Don’t underestimate the Focus ST until you drive one, in gear slightly quicker than RS and bags of toys come on this car. Power delivery smoother and not as harsh as RS, better daily
Is the steering of ST less heavy in lower speed? I ordered a ST but worry about the steering is not comfortable enough for daily drive comparing to st-line
Older fords rs ones with headgasket failure to watch out for if buying
Full engine rebuild
I love the torque steer from my st I get first thing in the morning lol.
Both very different cars with one being AWD and the other being FWD. I’d probably take the RS over the ST it was decent to insure however the ST is far however the ST grows on me each day and actually sounds and looks great. Also gets really good reviews on how it drives.
can you test ford focus rs from 2010?
I've got a Fiesta MK8 ST-3 and it really is a pocket rocket. Also got the performance pack with launch control - I wouldn't recommend getting performance pack because launch control isn't really that great :/ definitely a fast car
Yes....The RS is a very special car and it's holding it's value quite well. Ford's Halo Hatch.
Hey, is there any chance you can do a video going over car financing? Or if you have done one can you share the link please. Love the content!!
Focus rs ofcourse.
I was going to sell my rs mk3 for a focus st but depreciation is to much, instead put the mountune m400r 400 bhp 413 pf, I spent less doing that than the depreciation which I would loose buying the st in the first 6 months/year of ownership, the smiles never stop with the power and the handling cheers steve 👍😀
I was in exactly the same position. I'm going msd420 in a few months
@@jameshedges3857 making the rs faster and even more fun is the way to go and it it says RS on it which make a difference coz if you have a st you want a rs cheers steve
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Once a week upload we get this
It's amazing that the theft issue hasn't been fixed by now. A lot of car manufacturers are massively complacent about this. Keyless entry systems have been a gift to thieves - I have gone back to a dirty great big steering rod locked on the steering wheel, which is pretty inconvenient every time you get out of the car. Plus I never park it in the street . Why is it so hard to make a really bullet proof steering column lock and an immobiliser that cannot be got round- especially when a lot of these cars cost so much now - I feel like Mr Bean, taking the steering wheel off his Mini , when I park it.
Now more importantly need to see mk3 St vs mk4 st
English car youtubers = No beef or accusations.
American car youtubers though...
i want to get into a RS , currently in a pcp with a focus st-3 , great video
My wife has the older Focus ST and I have the RS. The RS around corners is in a different league. Long term the RS will accumulate value. Look at at the price of the older Mk2 Focus RS.
This! Here in the states MK3 RS value is holding pretty solid. A non branded title 2017 with 20-30k miles is selling for 27-30k still.
I own a 02 ZX3 5 speed, bough it use it 800.00, love the fact that it is so easy to get horsepower and torque by just adding mods.
It is sitting with 345 whp so far an not done yet.
Getting ready to go with the Ford performance 2.3 everything forged in a big turbo I'm looking to gain hopefully 500 plus horse
Im planing on buying a st3 2015/2016
Paul you iz a finanshal jeanius. Thanks 4 doing the sums on dis. Basicly you can buy a new car cheaper than an old one!! Must be a mug too not get into the new motor insted of the old banger. Grate Paul...thanks for braking the numbers down.
I was holding out for the mk4 RS. Mainly because I like the interior (infotainment/buttons etc) way better. But seems like ford isn’t going to bring it. So wth now. Getting a mk3 now would kind of feel like buying a 2year old iPhone. On the other hand I want the drift mode. Or a rwd hot hatch... so not many options if any .... 🤔
I hope you are going to be present and vlog at the Geneva auto show this year in March?
If you'd take a new ST over a used RS give your head a wobble
I have a car with Android Auto and since having that, I would never buy a car without Android Auto. It's just such a huge convenience having all of your car apps on the screen! So I would take the new ST because of the tech!! Also, the new ST has Autopilot. Yes, Autopilot!! So for me the new ST over the RS any day!
@@Riiiisc buying a car I couldnt care less what entertainment system it has and if it has option to drive for me. Guessing that's a sarcastic comment 🤦🏻♂️
@@tomw8418 no I am serious lol. If you buy the RS as a weekend car, then I wouldn't mind much about tech. But as a daily, which is more likely going to be the case for everyone. Having autopilot and a good infotainment system helps in comfort. It's not like you are racing down the road everytime in these cars....
@@Riiiisc it seems you don't know much about these cars. They both have the sync3 system with android auto.
@@tracktimevideos5164 it seems you haven't paid much attention.. they're comparing an older rs vs new st.
No chance you will get the ST for £280/month with 2k down lol. More like £380/month.
Acabei de ver você no motor Heads no Discovery turbo e achei o máximo sua história parabéns pelo feito e você ganhou mais um inscrito ....
I have had the new ford focus ST since October 2019 with the performance pack, love the drive. But I have had problems with the lighting on the car since I got it, the auto full beam that the car turns on when you enter an area where there is little lighting, good idea but they do not dip when a car is coming towards you, or when you are behind someone else, thus you blind other road users. The car as been back to the deals 4 times so far with this problem and they still have not fixed it, the other problem I have is with the keyless entry, after 3 weeks of owning the car the passenger side keyless entry stopped working, and now the sensor on the driver's side is only working every now and again. Would love to hear if anyone else is having this issue?
Can you switch the option off? Mine does the same but I didn't realise that it was meant to dip automatically.
Paul I’ve been watching your videos since you bought the 4.2 R8 and to be honest, I kinda stopped watching your videos BUT... you’ve pulled it out the bag w this one. Great vid
Bought my black one last week and love it :) It's my first fast car. So far so good. Sounds great too :D
William Wills - Nice choice, I went for the black also 😉. 2016, just done 14,000 and is a joy to use on the weekend. All standard although I’ve just come across dream science who do some nice after market goodies and they’re only a 20 minute ride away 🙈.
Kerim Temel Christ hope not! Only done 1200 miles
Fast fords are great 👍
I've got an ST wagon and honestly sort of regretting it now, for the life of me I can't find any side skirt splitters or rear spats
@ 3:25... 1-2 shift bang??
rs all day long
You guys really didn’t put the up keep cost between the two, the RS has bigger Rims & Tires, witch are very expensive compared to the Focus ST, all that extra maintenance with clutch packs on the RS, plus horrible fuel economy and a Backboard ride at its softest setting. I have a 2014 Fiesta ST, with intake, bigger Intercooler, Cobb Access port, with a Pro Tune, Short Shift Kit, Motor mounts, 3” MBPR Exhaust, Koni Shocks, sticky Michelin tires, and I’ll take any of them two on a Twisty Road, my Fiesta Rocks. The Fiesta Flash. 🤙🏼🍺
Always good knowledge from tony
I like them both but I really like the way the ST looks. I want them both I think they are both great vehicles.
What Milage is that deal with
Did they change it to ST or is ST like a A35 and RS an A45? because I thought that Fiesta only had ST
maarten : There has always been a Focus ST right from the Mk1 ST170
A used focus RS costs 60k euros here in norway, guess ill take the buss
wtf i can get a fkin a45 with that money
Mine 17‘ rs 30k miles costed 28.400€
Hope the head gasket has been replaced, but good video though, RS is certainly where you would put your money between the two. And don’t forget you have the RS Edition too...limited build numbers.
I kind of agree about the mk2 rs its probably the only car I've had that's gone up in value since i bought mine. Saying that i don't keep my cars more than 12 months.
Let’s take it for a spin at the start? You were already at Gravelwood 😂 great comparison and video though Paul!
Got rid of my 18 plate Focus ST. Conflict of interests between power and traction control, which it said it had but I don't think it did! Had a Fiesta ST before it and that was way better to drive.
Sold my focus ST 2018 as well for fiesta ST mk8 performance edition.. miles more fun to drive and definitely made the right choice
For me as a kid growing up with the RS ST Fords and I always felt that you brought the ST if you couldn’t afford the RS
I could afford the RS but got the new ST 🤷♂️
Well now you HAVE to get an ST as a new car, the RS is gone 😭
Anyone watching in North America, PLEASE write or call Ford Customer Service and tell them we DEMAND the new Focus ST and/or Fiesta ST return to our market ASAP. If we all do our part, they'll see there's enough interest in bringing back the hot hatches! Thank you for your support in this petition effort.
Apperently the r.s engine is pretty much in the new st now they've discontinued the st now.
Buzzing for the new RS!!
If they make one. No sign yet.
There won't be one.
@@Singulariain yes I know now, this was at the time where there was still the possibility of one, use your brain man not a hard thing to comprehend
“Well you don’t” 🤣
This vid could have been posted mid week how much is paul paying sb race engineering to take as long as possible to put his lambo back together next lambo update I've sold my lambo
I cant find deals anywhere NEAR the prices you're mentioning in these videos.
No PCP contracts are that little for a car like these.
Agreed! Where the hell can you get a Focus RS for £340 a month with a balloon payment of £11k with a £2k deposit??! @SOL
Tom Wright i pay 360€ per month . No deposit and 12k€ rest payment after 4 years.
I would always feel nervous when buying a used hot hatch performance car, because you never know just how bad the previous owner has 'hammered' it
I was literally going to look at this car, its round the corner from me. The one green fog light put me off so going up to Manchester instead!
Its just a £5 ebay lense cover comes off in about 3 seconds.
That's a film over the fog light. You can just remove it.
Lol 😂
Who would of thought that an RS has more appeal than an ST variant??? 🙄🙄🙄
Check yourselves for trackers as I recon Archie checks
Paul... please try drive a mk7.5 fiesta zetec s, you’ll be shocked by the fact it’s a 1L with 140 bhp they are a amazing
I drove the Focus ST but preferred my Mk8 Fiesta ST-3
You needtpdo i30n performance vs st
Tony is busy lately....should have his own items !
No comparison between the two RS all day long
Drive a mk2 RS mate you would love it
Had a mk2 rs brilliant car cheers steve😀👍
Like the finance chat
These guys a right pair!
Makes sense to buy a 3 year old ST for 15k and it will be worth close to 10k 3 years later. Or you can blow 11k on finance to mr ford, plus the 2k at the start leaving you 13k in the hole after 3 years on a new one and no car, or cough up 16k cash for the balloon payment to mr ford. 🤔🤔 the guy is right you are basically hiring a car not owning it.
Hey up Wallace have you done a video of how you do your videos ?. )) like equipment and editing.. really enjoy your content 👌🏽
Torque steer is terrible in Focus STs in general. I had diesel ST, couldn’t wait to give it back. Only downside to ownership. Not just Paul’s driving Tony!! 😀
Colin Hennessy the new one is much better as the diff has been upgraded
I really hope Ford will make a new RS
Im working overseas and looking for one of these, I cant get on to Parkers its a night mare FFS
Mark Toulmin get a VPN that gives you an English IP address.
Brothers ls is ok but not the fun of those.
Ones a daily and the others a toy, I used to daily my mk1 frs and im at the stage id rather have a mk8 fiesta st and have fun everyday rather than worry about the damn thing being nicked or breaking and not being able to get bits.
Seems like no one there buys a car outright?
Friggin hell Archie wasn’t even in the video & still got pelters from Tony. The Focus RS is a future classic so if you can afford one & have it as a second car it’s gonna make you money over time. You only have to look at past Ford RS cars to see that.
Peter McElvogue - Hope so Peter. There are more of the mk3 as opposed to earlier mk’s so that could keep a lid on prices also heard some worrying issues re the 2.3 ecoboost engine even after the head gasket recall.. I’ve got a 2016 RS and it’s awesome as a weekender. Hopefully the mechanical issues get ironed out and your prediction comes good! 😅
Darren Elliott I wish you all the best with it. It’s such a great car👌👍
Cheap RS?!? Maybe where you live but here in the States the RS has shot up in price!
Rs deffo, its a nicer looking car as well
Great video and in depth review! Thanks man, was just looking for an ST
"Same switchgear as an Aston Martin" 🤣🤣🤣
I love ford cars but the best is the Rs mk2 😍😍😍😍
Archie should take the hint!
I love tony
Oh dear. An ancient vlog on the ST, which. I have not commented on. 🙄 "This RS has everything the MK4 ST has"??? 🤣 "Torque steer in the MK4 ST"? 😵 I owned an MG Montego Turbo. I know what torque steer is and that Montego was a later model which had been revised. No the MK4 ST does not "suffer" torque steer. "Focus ST being a blended in warm hatchback" ???? Just how many miles had you driven the car and that was your takeaway? Even stock the ST was the only car that could take it to the Type R !!! See the autocar head to head.
Known two RS owners. The first one flogged his years ago. He just loved my ST. The second thought he was in heaven when he acquired an RS with a map. It blew its head gasket. He hated the whole experience.
The MK4 ST IS the pinnacle of Ford performance hot hatches.
PS "I would have an RS over an ST [that is why I am selling mine]"
Good vid from the accountants perspective re the financing. Oh how things have changed though in the past two years. I was lucky, paid cash for my Orange Fury Mk4 ST.
Two concessions on my part, however. Had to put Maxton's finest on mine as the stock car just does not shout ST. Also and I feel very sorry for Ford executives who thought the MK4 RS was going to be brought out, my ST and for many of us owners, the Mountune maps or others out there are obligatory to make the most of the detuned 2.3L four pot Ford put in the stock car. Ford would have uprated the outputs to at least the on paper 330PS and 515NM I have had they known at the the time a MK4 RS would not be brought to market.
I like all wheel drive and the look of the RS but I don’t like blowing head gaskets
They had a recall on them. They are all fixed now.
James Hedges with a head gasket, still not good enough, a closed deck block is a proper solution, with that being said I’m not sure if they learned from their mistakes , seeing how the 2.3 is now in the ST , exhaust back pressure and the open deck is the Achilles heal .
Head gaskets blew to poor quality gaskets and wrong 1 not due to the engine, live in the now not in the past 👍😀
Steve BHP DEVON I learn from past failures only to not make future mistakes.
@@bones0184 subaru impreza sti, golf R, m135i, civic type R and even the evo 10 all have an open deck design. It's the best way to manage cooling in a small turbo charged engine with a lot of power.
The RS any day
Tony is a champ
Honestly for me I can’t see the mk3 RS dropping down to 15k, I feel like they’d only drop to around 20k, or even 18k maximum
You can tell in the last 8 seconds car saleman is like, what the hell is this bit? O_o
I think the new st is a damn good bargain for all the little things it has, but the looks on the inside and out don’t do it for me.
Two cracking motors.
So, let's get this right. You came to the conclusion that the RS is better than the ST. Wow, it was a privilege to watch two geniuses at work..........
Its gorgeous that st i love it
Why did they stop the rs?
They haven't.
Hey to break it to you but black and white are not colors
You can’t hoon ina front wheel drive.
Take em both 2 a track n get some chronos
RS MK2 all day long the MK3 is dull looking and doesn’t sound half as good as the MK2
leevwe leevwe because the mk2 has a 5 cylinder instead of 4 in the mk3
the traction debate doesn't make sense to me. I would rather have grip and go instead of getting the fake sense of fun when you are just not getting traction and not going anywhere almost. If it was rear-wheel drive that would be a different story.