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- The San Francisco Fleet Yards are one of Starfleet's main construction facilities for its starships and actually dates back to way before the founding of Utopia Planitia.
Not only that, for many years, it was the only Starfleet construction dock and makes up not only ground factories but orbital dry-docks where ships can undergo entire refits and repair as well as being constructed from the ground up. Err.. the space up.
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The drydocks also have navigational level shielding to protect against external debris and solar activity and can be used to measure internal and external stresses.
"The Enterprise-B would be launched from her." Ah! The 'Next Tuesday' Incident!
that class was good but as scotty made monkeys out of the crew excellsior it is very easy to disable the warp and trans warp being how enterprise was hijacked to rescue one Spock and the ship barely made it out of earth space dock and then was dead in space if i remember correctly having to have a fleet tug come get them
The official mascot for the Enterprise - B had to be the Popeye character. Wimpy. " Excuse me Sir, but I'll gladly pay you Tuesday , for a hamburger today".
The fricking Franklin is J.J.Verse junk.
It's not of our universe.
@@johnbockelie3899 Oh boy do I agree with you! The Franklin, The Kelvin and the Enterprise reboot design. Abrams put ugly warts on the classy hard thought out ORIGINAL design.
@@jonmason1955 what I hate is mixing the JJ Verse ships with TOS. In the J.J.Verse, it's in another dimension, not ours. So basically the prime universe has nothing to do with that. Almost like comparing the mirror universe with ours. It exists , but it's their universe, not ours. As for Disco Enterprise, it has zero to do with TOS Enterprise in design. It may look like it but it's not.Why would they build , rebuild , and put it back to normal for ?.
I gotta say this video is a great tribute to one of the shipyards that gave birth to Starfleets most famous starships from the NX-01 to the Constitution Class (TOS) the Constitution Class Refit (TMP TWOK) for example and the story of the Enterprise came full circle as the San Francisco shipyards gave birth to the Sovereign Class Starships like the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-E was launched from the San Francisco Shipyards.
Probably the biggest reasons for drydock frames: Navigational deflectors, stationkeeping, and projecting something for an SIF field until a ship's own systems and structure are firmed up and/or working.
SIF field?
@@jeremydale4548 Oh, structural integrity fields.
While the ships are amazing, I've always have been more interested in the infrastructure technology of the trekverse. I love this! More please 😊
I kind of miss Mare Island. McDonald's, liquor store, 9 hole golf course, laundromat, and garage with rental tools all on base, plus Arby's, Taco Bell, and Funville a short drive away in nearby Vallejo. I didn't mention the enlisted club because I was on "That Ship" and we were usually not allowed to go there due to aggressive negotiations between our deck department, the local Marine detachment, base security, and anybody else that looked at them the wrong way.
My dad was stationed at the Presidio back when it was still a military base. As a kid, I remember getting a haircut at the hospital, eating at Burger King and going inside the PX with my parents.
Hi Certifiably, you should update with mention that now - after Utopia planitia exploded with the rest of Mars land and orbital facilities during the android's revolt/mutiny/override - all the shipyards ( I assume also the repurposed McKinley ), docks and stations on eartht's orbit have been re-activated, which impacts of course the latest ships production.
Makes you wonder where these fleet yards were when the Breen were attacking San Francisco during the Dominion War. You’d think the drydocks, orbital offices, McKinley Station even Spacedock would be higher priority targets than the ground buildings and the bridge.
The Breen's attack wasn't meant to be tactical. The drydocks would be easy pickings, but would also be easy to replace. Their attack was meant for demoralization, which meant their target was more Starfleet Headquarters in San Francisco. Unfortunately for them, it only steeled the Federation and its allies harder against the Dominion. If I recall correctly, it was after this attack that Gowron began his reckless campaign, which while it didn't serve in the overall war effort against the Dominion as much as the Federation would have liked, it still cost the Dominion a hefty sum.
@@samsonguy10k Gowron's reckless campaign was spurred on by a Changeling impersonating Martok.
From the sound of it, the not that many Dominion ships even made if through a blockade defending Earth. While its never been said, most likely Spacedock had some weapons. Then there would have still been a whole fleet of ships there ether under repairs or in various stages of repair. Most likely the space docks were simply to well defended at the end of the day, while San Fransisco was just a easy, stationary target that was hard to defend.
@@joshuahillerup4290 Gowron's reckless campaign was spurred on in an attempt to discredit Martok. He was becoming too popular and Gowron feared his popularity, so he put Martok in a situation where he would lose over and over or eventually be killed.
@@bshilling9924 ah, his later reckless campaign where he took over directly, not his first one when Martok was being impersonated
In the Star Trek Enterprise series finale "These Are The Voyages", it's said that 18 different species are present at the signing of the charter for the UFP in 2161
Even if they only signed SOME of these planets, more than four signees signed the charter
When the Coalition of Planets was formed in 2155, Earth, Vulcan, Teller Prime, Andoria, Denobula, Kretassia, Rigel and Corridan were present so I Have to believe that those worlds at least signed the UFP charter
Yeah ST- lore was allways a bit "Kurzman'y"
What do I mean by that?
We allways had this problem of writers forgetting to the previous story while simultaneously creating new plotholes... *BUT* new Treck is stacking up the floor with these mistakes and all due to bloody Kurtzman
@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 lol what?
The comment you repied to said nothing about "Kurtsman trek". I feel like that is just becoming a common term for people when they don't understand something or don't like something about trek.
2160 not 2155
@@stevenyia2778 What? According to the Enterprise episode Demons, the Coalition of Planets was founded in January of 2155, whereas the United Federation of Planets was founded sometime in 2161, coinciding with the decommissioning of the Enterprise NX-01 and about one year before the Rommulan-Federation war
@@dragonweyr44 The Romulan War preceded the founding of the Federation. Supposedly, the climax of STE was to have been the Romulan War culminating in the signing of the Federation Charter but the series was abruptly cancelled in S4.
Don't forget about the Copernicus Shipyards on Luna, shuttle and auxiliary craft production is important to you know.
One thing I had always wondered about ever since I first saw the Excelsior Refit Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-B and the U.S.S. Lakota I had always wondered how many other Excelsior Class Starships were constructed using the design of the Enterprise B.
They are referred to as illustrious shipyards. They have always been seen as the best elite of the Federation shipyards. They probably know their shit and is probably the shipyard a captain would want if they wanted work done on the ship. There is also the Antares shipyards. In STO the San Francisco yards launched the Odyssey, Vesta and Pathfinder classes. The most advanced classes ever built. The class build patches have proudly San Francisco yards on them.
makes me a little sad that these and Utopia Planitia were not used more in DS9, woulda been cool to see a grand mobilization effort a la ww2 from the federation utilizing their massive cutting edge shipyards to pump out 30 ships a month. Also pretty sad they blew up mars without showing how cool it was first.
If they build meranda class starships i think the could make 50 ships a week
Yes. That part was a stupid plotpoint.
And not utilized to the fullest extent because they never showed what the Romulans faced as far as consequences went after it was public that THEY were the cause behind it.
I woulda LOVED a scene of someone from Starfleet going
Starfleet: We tried to help you, and you repaid us by blowing up the relief fleet we were building to SAVE YOU? No. Screw Peace and Screw forgiveness, you bunch of ungrateful idiots are on your own. Jackasses.
Good one, this was a forgotten Star Fleet facility, by some I guess. Loved the video.
I think many people assume that it is actually Utopia Planitia.
Its hard to see them as a “Dry dock” when the ship looks fully assembled, and there arent adjacent fab facilities/supplies nearby. Id have preferred to see a “shipyard” with various parts/nacelles/cores nearby with ships in various states of completion/non spaceworthyness and ancillary structures.
I felt like homeworld 2 did it right with Tanis station.
Contemporary shipyards show a sprawling facility with a visibly unseaworthy vessel and various components scattered about.
Sure theres the CGI budget to consider but I really like to ships get built and come to life like at the end of STB
"Dry" implies "Unexposed"
Namely in maritime, a drydock takes ship out of water so it's hull can be overlooked/inspected/repaired
In space, "drydock" implies control. Namely taking ship out of the interstellar medium, micrometeoroids, etc.
I have the book “Mr. Scott’s Guide To The Enterprise”, and it states the Enterprise-A was originally the USS Ti-Ho, NOT the Yorktown
I do remember that. I wonder why they felt they had to change that
An image of Gene Roddenberry appeared as Captain Robert April in the Star Trek Encyclopedia.
From the dedication plaques there were at least 3 shipyards named for places in California, and another 2 on or around the Luna colony - notably, all of them as far as I can recall were after the Battle of Wolf 359. There was a third one on or around the moon in "All Good Things" (Pasteur's dedication plaque) and of course the Kelvin timeline had the Iowa shipyard. I can't begin to guess the handwavium involved in why the Iowa ground shipyard existed in the Kelvin timeline, but for the rest it fits with what we see. Starfleet barely managing to have 43 ships that could get to Earth in time for the Borg incursion (39 at Wolf 359, Enterprise, and the 3 ships of the Mars Defense Perimeter that were trivially destroyed by the cube) after more than a century exploring space, fighting major wars with Klingons and Romulans, and we-aren't-told scale wars against many others. But then later has thousands of ships to lose in the Dominion War.
Granted, it's stupid that Starfleet had so few ships in 2367. The writers had no concept of scale. Even with a modern population we would expect hundreds of space ships (if not starships) in orbit at any given time. We have 24,000 commercial jets and 315 cruise ships on Earth today with most of the world's population too poor to afford to use them. We'd expect a planet that often calls itself a utopia to have regular service to various points in the solar system that get namedropped throughout the series, if not the rest of the Federation worlds. We do know the population has declined to 4.2 billion by that point, but when anyone leaves the planet it's either a wealthy merchant FROM somewhere else, or they're on a Federation starship. Of which only 40-ish are within range of Earth in an emergency.
But to get from 40-ish in the central neighborhood to having thousands to lose, more shipyards make sense. Between 2370 and 2373 at least 3 Defiant class ships were launched (2370 the class was just a prototype, 2373 2 were seen in battle alongside Defiant and the Valiant was dedicated in 2372), along with the Enterprise E (First Contact was set in 2373), along with many, many others. We see in an alternate timeline in Voyager that Utopia Planitia has massively expanded its orbital facilities by the midpoint of the war as well, but unless they're building new Excelsior class ships mid-war, a significant part of that is repair and refit work, meaning there's a lot of shipbuilding capacity we never got to see.
It was always my impression that McKinely station was used for repairs and refits not necessarily starship construction
USS Voyager seems to have been launched from McKinley station then had its final fit out at Utopia Planitia. (Based on its dedication plaque saying it was launched from McKinley but it being seen in Drydock at Utopia Planitia days before it leaves on its first mission in the episode Relativity)
Also, I want to point out that NCC-1701 was destroyed in "The Search for Spock". NCC-1701-A was a completely new ship unveiled in "The Voyage Home". It was not a refit as you say in this video, even though it was identical to the refit of NCC-1701.
It most definitely wasn't a brand new ship, the creators themselves have stated it was a renamed ship that was undergoing refit which is why it has so many issues at the start of The Final Frontier.
@@jono_cc2258 Wrong. See my comment
"You have heard of utopia planetia" I AM GOING TO GO CRY NOW, THANKS
Shouldn't a "dry dock" be something where the construction is done in an atmosphere, but then can be opened up to a vacuum for launch?
These seem more like wet docks to me.
To be fair a "flagship" should be commanded by an admiral and be leading a fleet, but that's not what any of the Enterprises deemed such have done, at least not for any extended periods of time. Starfleet appears to play a little fast and loose with much of the the old world jargon it adopts. Which isn't even close to unprecedented in real life linguistics, either.
It is wildly thought that Picard & Kirk & all them were Fleet Captains. Which was why they had such extreme pull with the Admiralty.
@@Slevin-Kelevra although they seem to only be commanding fleets in times of crisis and whatnot.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Not necessary, flag ship can be both ceremonial title or refer to the flag facilities aboard the vessel: e.g making it able to handle the extra staf needed for fleet operations. While not commanded by an admiral at the time, we've seen both the 1701 and the 1701-D act as fleet flag ships in canon.
Weirdly enough, judging on Redemption, Picard seems to have a lot of authority though, commanding an entire (although cobbled together) fleet. So close to two strategic borders, you would expect at-least a rear-admiral to be close by.
@@Slevin-Kelevra Even though it's never been said (to my knowledge) I tend to agree, either that or something similar. Perhaps it's not just the rank that holds the authority but the ship they hold that rank on.
There's been plenty of cases of Picard telling off admirals and ordering other captains around. He also seemed to have the full authority of an ambassador (though that may be all captains).
Someone above mentioned that he commanded that fleet in the episode "redemption". Not only did he command that fleet he also assigned acting captains to several vessels, both Data and Riker being two of them.
It's my understanding, albeit based on memories that date back 20 to 30 years, that the bit about the NCC-1701-A being a rename and renumber of the _Yorktown_ is not based in the strictest interpretation of canon (i.e., a movie or series episode that clearly indicates as much) - but that it *is* based on so-called “word of God,” in this case a comment made by the Great Bird of the Galaxy, Gene Roddenberry. This comment was later incorporated into writers’ guides and other material produced by the production staff, and treated as gospel. So it's at least... canonesque. And it supersedes _Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise,_ as that is merely a licensed third-party book.
The reasoning goes that Starfleet would not have had time to build a new ship even starting from the time they were initially informed of the destruction of the NCC-1701. However, in the few weeks that it took for the tribunal to be set up, it's certainly possible for the _Yorktown_ that was shown to have been one of the ships disabled by the alien probe to have been rescued, towed in, rehabbed, and redesignated. The rehab process being incomplete after such a ship-wide systems failure as that caused by the probe could also account for the state that the ship is in at the beginning of the 5th movie.
Mare Island Naval Shipyard wasn't in San Francisco, but in Vallejo, some 25 mi NE. It's true that Mare Island was the first US Navy base established on the Pacific Coast, and the San Francisco Bay Area until recently had a long history of shipbuilding, especially Hunters Point Naval Shipyard, which was in San Francisco.
Another great video, I never cease to be impressed. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Just an interesting thing that most people don't know. Real life drydocks have huge wood timbers for a boat to sit on. I've aways been amazed at where they find these one-piece 4x4 foot square pieces of wood. That is one hell of a big tree.
Last time I was _this_ early, I had to hijack a Bird of Prey with a flux-capacitor-enabled warp core to do it.
pixel girl Well it did belong to the Klingon Doc Brown.
@@mb2000 Exactly! And it even has the same wings that go up and down! I bet if Kirk had peeled away "Kruge's" face it'd be just like the old person mask he had in BttF2. There's a temporal conspiracy here that Starfleet's _hiding_ from us, *_wake UP,_** targles!*
pixel girl Wait... do you think Kruge’s targ is actually Einstein!?
Great Scott, im a Doctor not an Engineer, dammit.
Hoverboards don't work in an anti-grad field, idiot!
The Enterprise-D undertook it's repairs after the Borg attack at SFSD did it not.
I was under the impression they where more cradles then docks.
Nope, McKinley.
Yep, it's very emphatically said to be McKinley Station. Rick even shows a still of the Enterprise D docked there when he mentioned McKinley.
What is a dock except a cradle for a ship? They're more like garages where you can park and repair the ship long term... kinda like docks for ships
Jupiter Station where Dr. Louis Zimmerman works.
That's a great video always wanted a lore video of the San Francisco Fleet Yards and other Starfleet installations.
When you mentioned that the best place to build spaceships was in space, you showed a still from the 2009 "Star Trek" with young Kirk on an electric motorcycle, (now a real thing, by the way), looking at the USS Enterprise being built in IOWA! (If it's San Francisco, no one ever pointed the change of location out). Anyway, your "sigh" echoed mine at just the same time and the same amount of feeling.
Do you think you could do a personnel profile on Leonard H. McCoy or Beverly Crusher?
Shenzu is disco. Crap. The Franklin is JJ verse.
@@johnbockelie3899 I fail to see what relevance that has to my comment.
Appreciate the video, sir! Always heard about Utopia Planetia, and just took it to be the Federation's only shipyard! Nice to have some better information!!
Surely, in space terms, a Dry Dock facility would imply a fully enclosed and pressurized space, where a starship can be worked on without the need for space suits
That would be an absurdly large volume of gas to export topside
@@damascus1111
Matter replicators man. Just change that poo into nitrogen and oxygen. Or grab an ice asteroid and convert that ice water into oxygen. Besides if these guys can manipulate stars I bet they could figure out drydock solutions
The original dock designs actually had an expandable mesh envelope and micro tractor beams to enable safe working conditions. Space assembly constituted mainly slotting pre-assembled components into the readied frame. This was done in a vacuum to ensure parts could operate even if exposed to space in order to reduce issues caused by damage. Atmosphere is added slowly afterwards to both check for leaks and to enable a work area for those tasks that would be difficult to do in a bulky suit.
I think a better term for this structure is a “space dock”, as wet and dry really have no relevance in space. What you are describing would be called a “pressurized space dock”. I think what they are calling Earth Space Dock should really be described as either Earth Space Port or Earth Space Station, as it consists of multiple spaceship docks as well as a large number of residents. It’s important to get these terms right, now, as we’ll be building them in 25 years.
In the first episode of Enterprise you can clearly see workers in spacesuits standing on the spacedock lattice. There is no atmosphere. The point of a drydock is not to allow people to work in a comfortable environment. The point of drydock is to remove a ship from the ocean so saltwater won't hinder or contaminate repairs. That is not necessary in space, because a vacuum won't contaminate anything -- even air is more potentially contaminating (especially to weld joints) than a vacuum is. All a spacedock needs to be able to do is provide "shore power" to a spaceship that is completely powered-down for major repairs.
Always wanted somthing on san fran, such a cute yard but so always under seen
twenty one cries for help Shame the makers of Voyager didn’t read their own ship dedication plaque for “Relativity” and had the ship launch from Utopia Planitia instead of McKinley.
@@mb2000 it's entirely possible Voyager was built at McKinley but needed some fittings from UP, though.
Great graphics & CGI
The Discovery, a secret ship nobody was supposed to know about...built in plain sight of the most famous fleet yard XD
You can do lots of things in plain sight in space and still nobody will see it because space is so goddamned big. Just turn off the lights in the spacedock and nobody will see what you're doing.
@@deusexaethera Not in orbit of the capital planet, and trade hub of the Federation you can't. The space over Earth is very busy with all manner of vessels coming and going. Many headed specifically for San Francisco. Every ship entering and leaving Orbit would be taking sensor readings and tracking EVERYTHIING in orbit.
Disco is not Star Trek. It is generic Sci-fi using the Star Trek brand.
I could put a Ferrari logo on my truck, but the label would not make it a Ferrari, even if the owners of the company gave me permission too.
Great video.
My headcanon is that those lattice structures are mostly there to project life support around the docked ship. A drydock is a special dock that allows a ship to be removed from the medium it travels in in order for humans to easily work on it. I don't see why they'd call these things drydocks if they did not allow people to work in a comfortable atmosphere.
In the first episode of Enterprise you can clearly see workers in spacesuits standing on the spacedock lattice. There is no atmosphere. The point of a drydock is not to allow people to work in a comfortable environment. The point of drydock is to remove a ship from the ocean so saltwater won't hinder or contaminate repairs. That is not necessary in space, because a vacuum won't contaminate anything -- even air is more potentially contaminating (especially to weld joints) than a vacuum is. All a spacedock needs to be able to do is provide "shore power" to a spaceship that is completely powered-down for major repairs.
I'm guessing something grander than even Utopia Planitia will have to serve if the Federation ever decided to build a class of Star Destroyers. Something as enormous as that, bigger and more powerful than even the Odyssey class, will require the resources of both San Francisco and Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards. Dare I suggest building a monster shipyard out near Jupiter orbit? Earth and Mars might still be suitable for building starship construction facilities, but nothing on the scale required for such a grand design as the Star Destroyer project.
Great presentation!
As soon as I saw the ground-based construction of the Enterprise in the first Kelvin Timeline move I knew it was going to be a disaster. Thank you for not mentioning it here.
I'm curious what canon information there is about the planetside facilities.
And what do we know about the facilities out at Jupiter?
Jupiter Station seems to be oriented around non-starship research, such as communications, holography, and the like, seeing as Lewis Zimmerman was based there, as was Reginald Barcaley.
Yeah it's a serious research base. Full of science labs and R&D labs.
In the jj Abrams movie we see the enterprise being constructed on Earths surface.
@@Janoha17 Yes, but exactly what facilities are there? We know it's science stations, but not the extent of them or what they do.
@@LO-qs3sp He put a crossed out picture of that in there. JJ Abram's movies are fun on their own, but full of shit when compared to proper canon. :)
In-game I always head cannon that my Odyssey Class is based at San-Fran Fleet Yards, it just makes sense to me. I am curious to see what they do canonically with the fleet yards and how they update or expand them in order to pick up the work from the loss of Utopia
I think you might have made a mistake at the 3:25 mark- the events of STD take place abut 10 years before TOS, and with Pike up and walking about in the series, but also knowing his future destiny, it must factually take place before TOS. This means that the constitution class we see in STD is either an indication of an alternate timeline, or that this model of the constitution class comes before the original look, not after.
Actually according to the Star Trek TNG Technical Manual the Excelsior Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-B was launched from the Antares Shipyards not the San Francisco Shipyards and if you don't believe me if anyone has the Technical manual look at the page on the design lineage of the Enterprise and it says so right there about the Enterprise B being launched from the Antares Shipyards.
Mare Island is in Vallejo.
That was pretty cool. Good job.
You mention the possibility of tractor beams to guide the ship into position and hold it in place, but what if the frame is also a large force field generator, and so once the ship is in position and powered down they flip on the force fields and pump in/teleport breathable atmosphere into the dock. Then if something causes a worker doing EVA to spring a leak in their suit, it's not as critical to teleport them to safety or anything because they won't run out of air, just be in a reduced pressure microgravity environment (properly working suit at 760 mmHg, dock atmosphere at say 380-560 mmHg).
I know there are some inconsistencies in the ST universe, but NCC-1701 (original) was built on the ground. The refit was in space.
Those dry dock frames must also have inertial dampening systems and hull integrity fields too?
As the sun on one side and the shadow on the other would cause massive buckling and movement in the frames as they were exposed to the heat and cold differentials of high orbit.
The difference between heat and cold can be hundreds of degrees and this would result in a deviation of several tens of feet in such a large metallic construction, which despite it's size is still quite delicate.
Perhaps the solar panels we see on them are part of a heat management system to help counteract this torsional stressing?
“You’ve heard of Utopia Planitia”
Yup, RIP
Well, they did manage to rebuild it by the 2400s in STO.
External power via umbilical connections also is another reason for using an orbital ship yard. External life support etc
A suggestion: Construction of a fleet of starships would require vast quantities of raw materials. Seems Replication on that scale would be prohibitively expensive. It has been stated that some materials are not found in the Sol system and cannot be replicated such as Dilithium. A discussion of were these mats are obtained/mined and their industries would be of interest. As a US Navy Engine room mechanic on a Nimitz class carrier, I found it fascinating to think of what went into obtaining and manufacturing the 100k imperial tons of the ship I was living on for those 4 years.
You should do a video on the history of Earth/Star Fleet/Federation star bases as well a McKinley Station and stations that look like it and Utopia Planitia station.
The reason for the shift from Earth orbit to Mars is because Earth was transitioning to a true capitol/paradise world and no longer had any significant industry. The Earth dock was usually kept for prototypes and seen as a ship development yard.
Let's not forget training grounds for the Academy.
I always figured the drydocks had forcefields and you could create working atmospheres around the ships to allow workers to not need bulky EVA suits. But that's just my own internal thoughts.
Nice video!
In the Kelvin timeline they had a starship construction facility in the middle of Iowa, did they not?
Yes, because Kelvinverse starships are both aeroplanes and submarines. *eyeroll*
That's the reference starting at 2:05
Because JJ Abrams doesn’t understand anything about space or physics.
Can you do a video on The Shinra Military please.
Respect dude keep up the epic work 😃👍🏻.
Great video, very informative. Do the dry docks have habitation areas for the ship builders? They look as if they might, but then transporters could be used to get to and from work.
Also, does anyone happen to know the volume of a standard starbase docking area, or how many Galaxy Class ships can "park" in one?
Thanks for the video!
In the episode “Boobytrap” when Geordie called up the simulation with Lea Brahms, it’s pretty clear that the enterprise was inside an earth like space dock. It was not in a dry dock
Well that was probably due to the NX Prototype version of the Galaxy Class, which has been shown to be designed, built, and tested in Earth Spacedock. It's not necessarily the Enterprise that is seen.
Yeah that was just a Galaxy class in there, probably the USS Galaxy itself.
No wonder that certain fleet in that certain recent show had that mass-produced look. They're probably all from SFFL.
Don't forget the sub-assembly facilities such as Iowa, established in JJ-verse.
raid the mars drydocks was fun in STO
What they should have done was make the dry docks actual dry docks on the show and movies. In real dry docks water is removed so people can move around the outside of the ship unencumbered by protective suits. For the Star Trek dry docks they’d use replicators to create an atmosphere around the ship so people could work on the exterior without being confined in space suits.
If Starfleet has ships in the hundreds (if not thousands) then it will need multiple facilities across the Federation. Antares Shipyards just one further example. Running a fleet is resource and time intensive and if you need to maintain and/or replace potentially hundreds of ships you will need multiple shipyards to do it.
I remember reading as a kid that the starships components with built on the ground then assembled in space at the dry docks( how did they get the components up there? I would like to know) but in Star Trek 09" the whole ship was built on the ground but i understand in that alternate timeline the ships can fly in the atmosphere go underwater & do all sorts of crazy things😁🖖🏾
Well, while once fully built and powered a Ship can use 'structural integrity fields' which are basically low level force fields that help the ship maintain it's integrity when landing on planets and such. However, it would be so difficult and dangerous to build the ship from the ground up within a gravity well with an atmosphere.
I know in some of the novels there is a large spaceport/shuttle pass in Oakland.
1853? Pre Civil War days. That does go WAY back.
do have to wonder...
would there be super heavy duty industrial teleportation facilities as parts of the yard?
would make good sense to beam everything up with the kind of industry StarTrek has...
the secret space program has ship designs posted on the internet and it would be great if you could expand on those designs and show us what they may actually look like.
The doors to the Space Dock orbiting Earth must have been enlarged for the Galaxy class since the time of Enterprise -A. That or they made it bigger.
I ask once again: If you've _been_ Rick, who are you _now?_
"Best to Build space ships in space..." Hahaha thank you
I'd like to see a companion version of these videos with the JJ and Kurtzman Trek being edited out for people who do not consider it canon.
Can I Just say I never thought it made much sense that Starfleet headquarters would be in San Francisco and Federation capital in Paris? If both cities were wiped out during World War 3, even with potential rebuilding efforts (which are a bit hard to believe frankly given the sheer devastation) wouldn't it make much more sense to pick cities in places in the world that weren't so destroyed? Places like, say, Windhoek, or Nairobi. Or Buenos Aires, or Rio de Jinero.
I dunno, I think that would be far more interesting than the continued America/European focus that canon Star Trek pursues, when in reality, given the sheer amount of slain populations, it would be far more African and Latin American, because Africa and South America would be almost unaffected by the nuclear war that, if we go by the general canon sources, appears to have been between the US/NATO or some version of it, Russia, China, and possibly even India and Pakistan (or at least I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to launch because everyone else was.)
San Francisco was not destroyed during WW3 and apparently neither was Paris.. It is where the nations of the world signed the peace treatyto end WW3. Also the city had a prestigious history as a place of peace. In 1945, the Charter for the United Nations was signed in San Francisco by some fifty of Earth's nation-states.
Your making some wild assumptions. What makes you think San Francisco and Paris were destroyed and those other cities you mentioned weren't? Especially considering San Francisco clearly wasn't destroyed.
It's unlikely but for all we know the WW3 in star trek was kicked off by Cuba shooting missiles at South Africa.
Nope. Nuclear holocaust reduces property values significantly.
@@Bitchslapper316 What makes me think it has to do with real life attack plans. I find it very hard to believe that two of the most important cities in the world would NOT be targets of nuclear weapons, whereas there's little to no reason to target Africa or South America as they have no nuclear weapons. (Apart from MAYBE South Africa, and that's highly unlikely at best these days.) Mind, I'm picturing a situation that's effectively U.S. versus Russia and/or China (something strongly suggested by the Eastern Coalition mentioned in First Contact) and in such a situation San Francisco would be a primo target. Indeed, I'd target all the major cities on the west coast. Seattle, San Diego, Los Angeles... they're all naval bases in one way or another, all prime military targets.
Paris, I'm picturing targeted because large portions of Europe were frequently targeted during the Cold War and even today. Out of most powers in Europe, Britain and France still possess their own nuclear weapons. Unless NATO completely fell apart and the EU or some version of it were not with the U.S.--which I doubt, given the general political direction the world took--Paris would absolutely be targeted, as a capital city of an opposing nation. Being shocked that Paris would be targeted is like being baffled by Washington D.C. being vaporized.
Another reason why I don't like the reboots and new shows: Starships being built on a planet's surface even though it's been established time and time again both San Francisco shipyards and utopia planetia shipyards are in orbit of earth and mars...
Yes. Nobody would build a space ship on the ground. The gravity of the earth would simply crush the super structure. The voyager can only land on a planet, because it's made much more rigid than other ships.
That was stupid JarJar Abrams abomination of a Bad Reboot version of star trek
The USS Tai Ho was renumbered and renamed the ENTERPRISE NCC 1701A. Saratoga was still a MIRANDA class ship
The canonical history of the NCC-1701-A is that it was originally the U.S.S. Yorktown.
Can you do the utopia ship yards next?
Meanwhile in Blade Runner, the entirety of San Francisco is literally a landfill district for the west coast
Blade Runner is such an overhyped movie. The best thing in the whole movie is the one line "It's a shame she won't live, but then again who does?", and even that is just nihilism masquerading as profundity.
I'd think the drydocks might have not only have tractor beams but shields to keep anything dropped from escaping
Every time he said San Francisco fleet remind me of RICE-A-RONI The San Francisco Treat.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the shipyards orbeting the planet Axanar, where many Constitution class ships as well the Aries class starships where being built during the 4 years war.
great video RICK
TOS Enterprise was built at McKinley yards
When you were talking about what the actual frame of a dock contained, wouldn't they have also contained industrial replicators? I thought most of the superstructure of a ship was fabricated directly from replicators in space, then all the fiddly systems were installed by worker bees/drones/people.
I'm glad to not be alone on finding Jar Jar Abrams "shipyard" to be dumb as a brick.
Oh, the Enterprise-A was formerly the Yorktown?!! I never knew that, and that explains how they managed to get a new Enterprise built so incredibly quickly after the first one was stolen and blown up. Seems like it should take more than just a few weeks to build a Constitution Class starship...
Actually, according to Kirk at the beginning of ST:IV he says "We are now in the fourth month of our Vulcan exile" though it's been awhile since I've seen that one so it might have been 5 or 6 months.
The series has always been kinda vague on how long it takes to actually build a starship, aside from the Galaxy-class project supposedly taking twenty years to complete, but even that doesn't clarify the actual construction time of the Enterprise-D itself.
I'm kind of tempted to try to calculate the volume of space in which you could park drydock armatures in geosynchronous orbit over San Francisco.
I think that Space Dock and the shipyards are just in orbit - not way out in geosynchronous orbit over San Francisco or anywhere else. Otherwise the scale of the Earth Space Station would make in hundreds of miles in size, comparing it against the earth seen in the background. Also shipping all of the major components up from earth to GeoSych orbit wouldn't be practical. If you were going to do that, just put the factories on the moon and have the shipyard in orbit there.
I believe there is no current ship building of any kind in the SF Bay area. There may be repairs though.
My fave as a model builder is the Ambassador Class ship's. Why is it always overshadowed buy everyone. I had to build a new recently as my cat found it greatly fun.
I also built a 1701-C years ago. It was the only polystyrene model that I ever gave a proper adult-grade paint job. But it looks like a weird hybrid of Excelsior- and Galaxy-class design elements, which of course was the point when the model designers were making it for that one episode of ST:TNG.
Another historical note....The charter to the United Nations was signed in San Francisco
It seems like most of the unimportant (read: not commissioned on screen) ships were built at Utopia Planitia, while the important (read: commissioned on screen) ones were built at San Francisco Fleet Yards, I wonder why.
Something that's always bothered me is that star fleet which is practically the military wing of the federation only has the one academy let along on earth but in the whole galaxy
That would be like every UN nation trained their own miltray not only in the US but all those tens of thousands of of survive men and women out of one base.
It's silly
Yes I know core/ member/ founder worlds have their own unique fleets. Most notably the Vulcan's
Which is good but shouldn't every member planet have it's own star fleet academy? Or at least one per sector
Maybe they do and we just never hear about it.
There are other races in starfleet but the vast majority of starfleet officers are human. Perhaps there may be other academies on places like Vulcan which is home to probably the second most numerous species in starfleet.
Well looking at the US military for comparison, almost all recruits go to one single primary basic training facility for their respective branches with one or a few smaller BCT facilities here or there, instead of one per state.
Plus comparing the UFP to the UN is not an accurate comparison as the UN is a collection of 190+ nations rather than a single sovereign Federal entity. The Khitomer Alliance is more of a UN like organization.
@@occultatumquaestio5226 that's a fair point about the federation , but their are other bases for say the marines or air force or what have you. So if one was say taken out by a natural disaster or enemy action the whole of that brace wouldn't be incable of training new recruits or maintaining their current numbers if one base even their primary base was distoryed.
And back to the federation, say their is a 130 species that make it up, and say all those species have one home planet and maybe a dozen or so colonys.
Anyone with in those billions of people that wants to join star fleet rather than what ever off brand local fleet that never do anything. Has to make their way of their home/ birth planet and shelp all the way from their home to earth. And not only intergate with human culture and customs but do so in a defacto military academy
Rather than say go to a closer base home base, get some inistal training there so that star fleet and the would be recuit knows their not wasting their time and then maybe if their a special snow flake get ear marked for more training on earth but if their just some basic bitch get shuffled of to some listing post in the middle of no where
Occultatum Quaestio each branch of the US Military has multiple Basic Training facilities scattered around the nation. Well; the Army has the most. The Air Force is out of San Antonio as far as I know, and the Marines out of California or North Carolina. I think the Navy is mostly California as well. Not sure about the Coast Guard.
5:06 nah, they're gonna be installed on Tuesday^^
I always believed that enterprise D was built at McKinley Station.
A dry dock in space makes perfect sense, I know that now later starfleet has tractor beams, but they didn't when they started and I'm sure moving large parts of ships would have been tricky in atmosphere. And star trek was written back in the 60s so I'm sure it was just going on what gene wrote and knew at the time and it stuck, if that is the case why is each ship named USS, thats American, not really represents all different aspects does it.
I'm wondering if they might also be an industrial sized replicator?
Construction of ships and transfers of materials from the surface of earth or Mars isn’t the brightest idea. There is the asteroid belt, which is much more suitable for acquiring materials than from a gravity well of a planet.
Indeed. Though it is possible some installations were build when they didn't have capacity to mine this resources (they had small Warp 5 ships, but not mining or transporting ships big enough to do the job), so they just did it on earth with earth resources. By the time they had the technology to do so, it was more costly to move said installations to space, at least all at once. The installations on Utopia Planitia might have received their resources from the asteroid belt, directly to Mars orbit, so it might have been an advantage over the San Francisco docks.
Materials transfer can be from anywhere in the federation. Some of the metals like Duranium are probably mined out of system. So the docks can be close to worlds. Now saying that the asteroid belt would be an obvious place to mine for more raw materials.