Which is Worse: Believers or Atheists?!
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With the rapid loss of faith taking place in the West, especially in the United States, what will happen to our culture? Is this loss actually a gain? What is the result of a mass population believing in God versus one that doesn’t? Can we learn from the past and the present to make a better future?
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C.S. Lewis: He looked under the table of life and asked hard questions and ignored issues he would speak about. His journey from the world of atheism to a belief in God. Quite interesting.
So, C.S. Lewis essentially went from logic and reason to believing in magic. Not really all that interesting.
No
C S Lewis recognized that logic and reason without God is nothing more than magic.
@@gaborjuracsik4847 - That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
@@clit_niblr0375 Although C S Lewis wrote about this, Alvin Plantinga also dealt with this issue a lot. Feel free to read it.
Moreover, there is now no doubt that the philosophy of science defined by the Vienna Circle has failed.
Yep. He got it wrong in the end - he should have stayed on the right side of rationality.
"Religion is true for the common people, false for the wise, and useful by the rulers"
-Seneca
religion is the proletarian ethic
Sheep are probably more religious than goats
Actually, living by faith is foolishness to world system's,
but it is the power of Christ for eternal life for all who believe
and walk by faith, and not by sight.
Senece considered himself wise.
Did he specify what he meant by "religion"? Maybe he employed self-valifdating circle logic belief?
Communism isn’t totalitarianism. And humanism can be religious. Good presentation! Thanks for posting. Oh and the Marquis de Sade, was an overindulged aristocrat. Part of American decline in piety and community engagement has to do with over-emphasis on consumerism.
Communism is 1000% totalitarian
Everything can be "religious" including the lack of religion and the state
The majority of what caused the downfall of the US is the creation enacting the 10 planks of Communism (see centralized banking, taxes, public schools etc.) Consumerism is just a byproduct
You are right. Theoretically communism is not totalitarianism. However that is where it always ends. It itself it is not totalitarian but it can't help itself but end there. Mind you capitalism is no different. Exactly the same. Not in itself totalitarian but that is where it ends up. Humanism no. That doesn't automatically end up as religion. It can but the humanist makes that decision. I would put it at a small number.
@@izifaddag8221Yes, I agree. Communism turns to totalitarianism because it has to defend itself from from those who were disenfranchised by the 'revolution'.
However that may be in terms of political policy formation or whatever, the overarching truth remains that Dostoevsky is right, that without God there is no ontological grounding upon which to hold morality or any objective truth, and this road lead leads inevitably to nihilism.
@@izifaddag8221 Nope. There have been and are many thriving egalitarian collectivist economies.
This speech should be given on every school every month, reminding people what life is about🎉
Not about the USA, and they cannot handle that, thus we see relentless slander mythology spread.
Shapiro's point is particularly well taken when we consider the import of the effect that the Hebrew stories had on religion as a mechanism of self-restraint over the erotic indulgence in intense violent and sexual ritual that dominated the supernatural ideas of the ancient world.The story of Abraham effectively ENDS the practice of human sacrifice and the condemnation of cultures having such practices spread throughout the cultures that the Israelites made contact with.
Similarly, rather than the writings of Paul being taken as an anti-semitic gesture towards the Hebrew practice of circumcision, his invitation to the Roman eunuch cults was to suggest that self discipline of strong impulses, not castration was what was pleasing to Jesus, effectively spreading the message of the condemnation of self-mutilation as being the holy practice.
Not too surprisingly, the societies that came out on top of our global civilization are the very ones that adopted the view that the divine consists mainly of the restraint and control of strong impulses. In the case of the Crusades, Inquisitions, etc,. the religious explanation came to be used for the purpose of indulging in the violent erotic abandon rather than the restraint and control of these tendencies, which were abolished internally within the self-examining Christian Reformation, which made the vital distinction between divine agencies of the conscience and the corporeal agencies of "natural philosophy," which became science when the empirical was liberated from cosmological a-priori assumptions.
Those who assumed that this was evidence of liberation from the "moral" agencies somehow misplaced the fact that the humanist discipline is still firmly rooted in the prevalence of self-restraint.
The mature western philosophy has always been rooted in the admission that our existence never ceases to consist of elements beyond our understanding. Thus though a universe of explanations of phenomena has consistently decreased in the necessary element of a supernatural agency by no means forms an absolute certainty of its absence; hence Pascal's wager of God's involvement.
I tend to think of the religious impulse like a "kill switch" on a dangerous piece of machinery. If life and limb become ensnared in a deadly device, the power shuts off instead of completing the mayhem. In the case of strong impulses towards violence, or gratification at all costs, or obsessive ideas with large potential consequences, the instances of some "irrational" element averting disaster by restraint are far greater that the instances of the contradictory use of restraining dogmas to indulge in a manic release.
A nihilistic society whose ideology is missing any criteria for this kill switch is indeed far more dangerous that one that still contains the prevailing idea of DON'T...
there are more civilizations than one in the world many more than one
and inclusiveness ends with loosing identity eventually adding other paints until it's all gray
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Your comment on my comment is intriguing, especially in its vagueness, given the apparent education in your playlists. Equality, like quanta itself, seems to be a fetish logically. It reminds me of color blindness, NOT the acuity of discernment. If you de-saturate the gold and blue of my icon, you will see a single gray circle.
My logo itself is thus a metaphor for cultural relativism. It indicates a failure to make finer distinctions perceptually. The way that Jefferson used the term 'equality' was based upon the assumptions of the Enlightenment that mathematics was a single metaphysical discipline. You could look at color thus as a kind of imaginary axis, which would give you more than one coordinate position on a Cartesian grid for 1 or -1.
Your "lambda calculus" is over my head (thank you for the education) but in Boolean we can look at equality as an exclusive NOR statement: IF and only IF the inputs are the same, you get true. These inputs can be either 1 OR 0. Equality therefore is a reductio proposition. It is arrived at by the negation of difference, NOT a homogeneous wadding of criteria. The visual cortex doesn't do that; at least not without interesting chemistry.
My recollection of lambda was that Einstein used this symbol to signify the amount of matter in the universe in his General Relativity. Ironically it was a Catholic priest who exchanged lambda for 0 and got the same result, meaning that it didn't matter to Einstein's equation if the universe contained NO matter.
Cultural relativity is like that as well. It simply doesn't work with the actual. Are you suggesting cannibals should be given solidarity to practice their "cultural diversity?"
You seem too intelligent of a man to be on the losing side of this argument because of emotional semantic fixations. I don't speak a word of Slavic dialects, so you may be at an unfair disadvantage here with your representation. As the world is now witnessing however, the English language is now suffering from its Germanic divorce from the Romance languages where gender has been omitted from verb tenses.
So I readily concede the point that English lacks the acuity to clean up the mess that western academia has made of psychology. The grotesque syntax error of ontological dyslexia is on my side of the globe, sir.
For that you have my most humble apology as an American...
If you put Sen Bhappiro in the category of "great" men then your "great" men couldn't be more lame.
Good video. Would love to see a follow up discussion w someone u respect but differing perspectives..
That is never going to happen as this woman would be found out instantly.
This video in particular is anti atheist propaganda.
The Catholic Church backed and supported the Nazis and German soldiers had “ god with us “ written in their belts.
Thank you.
Smart stuff... Bravo!
The natural world seems to be all there is. There are no valid reasons to believe otherwise, or even non-fallacious arguments.
If that understanding comes with negative consequences (which may very well be the case), so be it. Facts are facts.
except it's not the same world as the lying projection in brain makes as think it is
made for survival we made shortcuts in viewing real world as it's costly to see things for what they really are
@@szymonbaranowski8184 True. Our senses are limited. Mathematics, scientific observation, the scientific method, logic and proper analysis expand our perception beyond the limits of out senses, though.
And through all of that, there's still no valid reason to believe in the supernatural.
@@szymonbaranowski8184 , yEAH I AGREE it would nice if relidgen had some current day facts to support it , we've had hundreds of years to figure this thing out and what do we currently have ?
After watching a handful of presentations here, I am definitely sharing this channel with all of my friends. Yes, the semi-famous but underappreciated Dostoevsky idea that "Without God, all things are permissible." is absolutely true, and we're seeing the consequences of the loss of faith in a transcendent divine play out in the world today... I very much appreciate how Audrey can present what is true without resorting to tribal mantras or glib culture war slogans du jour... Great stuff.
Really? When exactly was humanity more or less humane?
@arthurw8054 - And when you write 'loss of faith' you mean believing in ancient fairy tales made up by primitive goat herders living in the desert during the Bronze Age to explain to each other where the sun goes at night?
@@clit_niblr0375 No, that's not what I meant, sorry. But hey, don't be too hard on yourself. You gave it your best shot. None of us can always know what other people mean.
@@arthurw8054 - No worries. Next time try to be more clear in your communication skills.
and with God/morality you get oppressively fixated on rules ignoring rest of reality
I am sorry, I could not watch til the end, but I want to comment anyway just to give a little feedback. The reason why I couldn't bear to watch the video until the end was, because I expected a minimum level of nuanced discussion. Perhaps it would have been helpful to provide a definition of what you mean by 'believer' and 'atheist.' For example, while watching, I had the impression that instead of 'atheist,' you were constantly using various groups from entirely different topics, such as communists, materialist, determinist, moral relativists and there was even a reference to Nazis (I think). And I completely missed what you mean by the word "believer" ... other than someone who believes in "something supernatural".
So right. Nuance needed by all at all times. Be on alert when preface "Taken to its logical conclusion" is used. that translates very often "then a miracle occurs" as in the joke with the blackboard full of formulas.
Exactly. I counter her argument. Your so right. Just another religious zealot.
Believe in your ability to be a decent person. You don't need guidance. Just stop war 🌎✌️
Good luck with that.
Believing in one's ability to be a decent person leads to self-love & self-deception. Thanks anyway but I prefer something more spiritual.
Why is that important or good or right?
@@maxINaus If the question was for me, fellow Mifune admirer, I'd say it's because the truth is important-& good & right & the sweetest truths, in my experience at least, have been spiritual-have been God's.
Peace.
Focus on the physical and material reality is what leads to war. If there are people in this world who want war, don't get involved yourself.
They have an ''Atheist Hotline'' they call ''Nobody Answers.''
it's always you answering to yourself
always
@@szymonbaranowski8184 Yeah. Doing the right thing when nobody watches is called integrity.
While I agree with some of your points and think you are a skilled with presentation, I really have problems with how you go to extremes to make your points. If you truly are on a search for truth, it would be interesting for you to turn this topic into a debate with a secular humanist. I DO believe in God, but this type of reasoning is why there is so much division in the world. And division should not be the purpose of any religion.
While I completely disagree with what you believe, I enjoy the topics and characters that you consider.
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Voltaire' said "If God did not exist man would have to invent him" I think we learning that lesson now. What is amazing is all the Atheist evolutionist like Richard Dorkins, never seam follow their own logic in that human behaviour is product of evolution therefore evolution created god as there is benefit so why promoted Atheist.
I went into the Army as a believer, came out with PTSD, all kinds of ortho injuries, and bitterness against God and the world. One of the things that restored me was the realization that if there was no God, then literally everything was no more right than it was wrong. The rapist, the murderer was no different from the truly noble and good man. Because all have the same destiny of nihilism. And all laws were just man's rules and therefore arbitrary. And i could do anything. And believe me, a trained soldier with PTSD and depression can do a lot of damage if he unleashes what's inside his head. And yet I KNEW that couldnt be the ultimate truth, I KNEW there had to be consequences beyond the grave that both the good and the evil experience (and i frequently WANTED to experience). I stand here as a man who didn't unleash the darkness that was in me for the simple reason that at a real gut level, even with no religion and very, very little faith, I STILL had a fear of the LORD. That fear saved me and it saved others from me. Because back in the day, i felt like unleashing a lot of rage, and it was God alone who restrained me. Versus what we're seeing today is tens of millions who have no restraint and therefore are consumed by racism.
This is insane, While I myself despise fundamentalist materialism I know a great many atheists who are kind decent loving; people,. I was starting to respect you but this is a disgusting slander of a lot of people who you do not understand. I know lots of atheists, know many Marxists in fact and none of them are sadists.. In fact more concerned for the good of their fellow man than many of the so-called Christians I know who preach hatred and bigotry. I often point out that being closed-minded and dogmatic is one thing both fundamentalist materialists and fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Muslims for aht mater all have in common. Let us end the culture wars and reach out in open-minded dialogue with our brothers and sisters. I had made the mistake of thinking that Audrey was coming from a place of kindness and love. It is looking like I was mistaken.
Christians are more interested in their own salvation than their fellow human beings.
The common thread among all tyrannies is the belief in an infallible authority--either earthly or heavenly.
A non-religious tyranny sets up a person as the infallible authority (Mao, Pol, Stalin. Ceaușescu, Xi, Kim).
A religious tyranny sets up an incorporeal infallible authority whose wisdom is channeled thru a person--either major (Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, most every monarch), or minor (Hubbard, Moon, Jones, Koresh). It matters not whether this person actually believes in the infallible authority--just that his public believes that he channels that infallible authority.
When people believe their principles and laws are set up by an infallible authority, they can't simply discard them when they manifest unanticipated harmful consequences. More likely they'll double down on those harmful principles and laws for generations before freeing themselves--it's a long, difficult process. Christians and Jews have, after generations of internal argument, dispensed with many biblical principles and laws--but are loath to admit it.
When people dispense with infallible authority and admit that their principles and laws were created by fallible humans, they can readily discard the manifestly harmful ones and move on.
Infallible authority is essential to religion, not to atheism.
wow, you hit the nail perfectly.
Just chanced upon your site. Thank you for sharing the truth. A breath of fresh air!
It is not truth.
Far from it.
The Catholic Church backed and supported the Nazis
God with us was written on every single nazi soldier’s belt.
I find it truly disturbing that you believe this woman’s biased anti atheist propaganda.
Sorry, she and you have been conned.
37th chapter of the Book of Ezekiel.
This prophet, in which Christians claim 100% validity,
clearly teaches that we can recognize the coming of the Messiah when ALL of the following take place:
Resurrection of the dead
Building of the final Temple that will stand forever in Jerusalem.
Universal knowledge of God, and obedience to God are attained.
Return of the lost tribes (the Northern Kingdom of Israel whom Assyria carried off)
None of the above happened 2000 years ago/ Jesus fulfilled no prophecies.
Result?
Church leaders after the year 100 invented
..."Jesus, The Return" aka The Second Coming.
And a few hundred years after that,
they invented the Trinity at the Council of Nicea in the year 325.
Bottom line:
Mainstream Christianity is Paganism/idol worship.
No problem, have at it.
Thor, Zeus, Indian gods, the three Christian gods (ah, and praying to dead men and women too aka Saints, as Catholics do)
,..whatever floats one's boat
....and leads one to respect oneself and others.
Christian leaders reversed engineered their teachings to fit Old Testament via a mix of deliberate deceptions.
Such as changing clearly past tense phrases in Hebrew to future tense in translations into Greek, English, etc,
, and deliberate misinterpretations.
God forgives, directly, no belief of, or in, a savior required.
True remorse, and then acts of repentance are required.
Mere belief in God, a hybrid god/man, or "Savior", doesn't cut it.
Nor is the motherload of vileness supported in Tenakh, human sacrifice.
Yet Christianity teaches:
"Sacrificed for you...a fully human/fully divine being, just believe in him, and all your sins are forgiven"
There is absolutely nothing like the above supported in the Hebrew text.
This classic scapegoating of Paganism, and also modalism, both rejected by the Old Testament:
Modalism example:
I'm a brother, son, and father, just like the Trinity, 3 people in one person.
Audrey, I think you have some insightful comments, but I believe you are strawmanning the secular humanist worldview. You may restrict the “religious” label to organized religions, but there is no meaningful difference between those and the secular religion of communism (worship of state), Nazi ideology (worship of aryan race), or wokeness (worship of Social Justice). They are all worldviews based on dogma, revelation, and faith, and should be classified as irrational cults by any rational standards. Central to a rational humanist perspective is the fact that we all can connect to the same truths in objective reality through our only lifeline to it - reason, and use our knowledge to maximize the flourishing of humans.
David Deutsch’s book - The Beginning of Infinity - makes the strongest and most complete argument for the secular humanist worldview I’ve ever read. I strongly recommend this book to you given your interest in the subject.
I do enjoy your opinions. Take care.
You offer a pithy, well-written summation of a case for secular humanism, but without God, without a transcendent realm out of which our ephemeral world springs forth, what is "reason" reasoning? What is "objective" about reality and where does this reality reside?
Arthur, these are all excellent questions. There is infinite complexity to objective reality as far as our best theories inform us. And there will always be unanswered questions. But I believe this should not be a source of frustration or despair, but rather of motivation and optimism - as the potential for progress is also infinite. As fallible and mortal humans, the only choice we truly have is to embrace the reality of uncertainty and come to terms with it (and live happy fulfilling lives in spite of it) or to live in a fantasy world of certainty where all your questions have answers.
what is worse left hemisphere or right hemisphere?
equally
but the worst if forgetting you have both
37th chapter of the Book of Ezekiel.
This prophet, in which Christians claim 100% validity,
clearly teaches that we can recognize the coming of the Messiah when ALL of the following take place:
Resurrection of the dead
Building of the final Temple that will stand forever in Jerusalem.
Universal knowledge of God, and obedience to God are attained.
Return of the lost tribes (the Northern Kingdom of Israel whom Assyria carried off)
None of the above happened 2000 years ago/ Jesus fulfilled no prophecies.
Result?
Church leaders after the year 100 invented
..."Jesus, The Return" aka The Second Coming.
And a few hundred years after that,
they invented the Trinity at the Council of Nicea in the year 325.
Bottom line:
Mainstream Christianity is Paganism/idol worship.
No problem, have at it.
Thor, Zeus, Indian gods, the three Christian gods (ah, and praying to dead men and women too aka Saints, as Catholics do)
,..whatever floats one's boat
....and leads one to respect oneself and others.
Christian leaders reversed engineered their teachings to fit Old Testament via a mix of deliberate deceptions.
Such as changing clearly past tense phrases in Hebrew to future tense in translations into Greek, English, etc,
, and deliberate misinterpretations.
God forgives, directly, no belief of, or in, a savior required.
True remorse, and then acts of repentance are required.
Mere belief in God, a hybrid god/man, or "Savior", doesn't cut it.
Nor is the motherload of vileness supported in Tenakh, human sacrifice.
Yet Christianity teaches:
"Sacrificed for you...a fully human/fully divine being, just believe in him, and all your sins are forgiven"
There is absolutely nothing like the above supported in the Hebrew text.
This classic scapegoating of Paganism, and also modalism, both rejected by the Old Testament:
Modalism example:
I'm a brother, son, and father, just like the Trinity, 3 people in one person.
Have you read René Girard's treatise on Dostoevsky: *Resurrection from the Underground* ?
thanks for posting this - gonna go check the suggestion... Notes from the Underground is one of my favs
Appreciate thecontent and the both gentle and persistent attitude.
Just after 11 you say the means justifies the end. I assume you meant the opposite.
Astute & provocative commentary, thank you.
Isn't the real problem a belief in The State? Whether it's The Crusades, or Islamic Jihads, OR Aryan Racial Superiority, or the dictates of the Communist Party, once you believe that ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS are your only guide, ALL things in the name of that ideology are permissible?
Omg, 3 minutes in and this is so bad!! She just said so many things that one could correct. But after about 2 mins when she mentioned that she is going to say something that Ben Shapiro said, I had a hunch that it was going to get worse. I'm not going to waste my time picking this apart, but seriously, who is taking this woman seriously?
@arthurraleigh5812 - Ikr. She's like a religious Apologist cross bred with some half-woke FemiNutzee.
I made an attempt to counter her argument. But ppl like this are not open minded as she just wont be able to see her own bias.
Stop calling it materialism. It's "naturalism." And if atheism is so fraught, how come majority atheist countries - like Denmark, Japan, the Scandinavian countries, Vietnam - are so happy and stable?
From the outside those countries still thrive on a uniform culture ingrained in long-standing understanding, inside it's rotten. (divorce-rates up to 9/10)
Have you been to Scandinavia lately?
@@kikkan7110 Probably not. But you gotta admire the superpowers that allow a person to know that all the individuals in Denmark, Japan, the Scandianavian countries, Vietnam are "so happy and stable."
They are so happy they stopped having children
Bro Japanese believe a rock has soul 😂
LOVED your Ayn Rand analysis.
That proves your brain is malfunctioning!
Based of a few videos I've watched this seems like one of the better and more intelligent channels on CZcams presenting the case for religion, but I cannot quite accept the differentiation here between religions and these ideologies. I'd say one of the lessons of these ideology-based societies has been how far people are willing to go in self-deception and how little difference there is in belief-based systems regardless of if they have "some god" in the centre.
The danger in this religion-propaganda that seems to be on the rise on CZcams lately is quite similar, a promoted self-deception that having a god in the belief-system would be somehow more moral and destined to good outcomes. I very much doubt this small aspect would make a positive difference.
Belief-systems may be quite unavoidable, but they inherently have dangerous things guiding them, with or without having gods in them. I'd say that the need to feel superior and the impulse to participate in tribal fighting are deeply rooted at the centre of falling for any belief-system. In all of the belief-systems people seem very willing and eager to pretend they are doing it for some moral reasons and for the benefit of the world, or to "get to heaven and help others get to heaven", but quite unwilling to examine how far it might be true. I'd say wanting to feel superior and be able to fight and put down other groups and belief-systems is one of the main reasons in submitting to a belief-system: having "found a god", weather it is somehow true or not, is a nice reason to feel superior to others, put them down and perhaps get some selfish benefits through your belief-system. Religions are inherently as selfish as such ideologies that are without a god, but the two sets of systems have some differences between what types of deceptions they use.
I think an honest person would say "I do not know if there is a god and if there is, by what rules he operates". Both groups of people - the people who say they "have found a god" as well as those that say they" have found that there is no god" are being deceitful, and doing it largely to feel superior to others and wanting to put them down. People subjecting to both groups seem to be quite equal in that they are not that much guided by "finding the truth" than being able to tell others that they are wrong and they themselves are better than them.
So sorry, but can't go with some deceitful narratives about how having a god means someone is less selfish, subjecting to a belief-system is a sure sign of being selfish. I am definitely not an Ayn Rand follower that would say selfishness is somehow an ideal or a goal, and I think in many situations it is good to fight against selfish impulses, but I also think virtuous would be to try to be honest about how difficult it is to be unselfish, because self-deceit is strongly rooted in human psyche and behaviour and we participate in it often without any conscious effort. I can't say that the act of building cults on the deceit that you are a group of "superior unselfish" beings is hardly that different based on weather there is a god or not. Belief or non-belief in a god is a rather inconsequential aspect.
if you go too hard on yourself you end up in authoritarianism
if not hard enough you end up staying low rationalising weakness
every system tries to maximise its elements
in binary way while you want the natural roles goals but not being totally fixated on them
Jesus did say that those who persecute you will think that they are serving G-d. The truth will set you free spiritually but will imprison you in this world. For this world is ruled by Satan. He did say that as well. True belief is not so much about G-d the father nor about His son but about the Holy Spirit that travels between us for even atheists are visited by this spirit. That is where the truth that Christ spoke about comes from. Deny that and one is lost indeed.
@carlharmeling512 - Incorrect and also false.
When a book by Marquis De Sade sells, who gets the $$$ for besides the publisher?
Audrey, so you know: For inexplicable reasons YT popped your video on Ayn Rand in my face. I have not searched her. After watching, I was curious about the “noble truths” you present. So on my tablet I entered your name, first and long last name letter by letter. You did not come up. Scrutinized my typing; yes, each letter was correct. Tried again. YT pops up a string of Audreys, none of them you. Disgusted, I entered your name plus the word for word title of what I’d just watched, still showing on the TV. That came up, tapped your icon, so got your site. Ridiculous round about way to find you. Don’t know if YT has any complaint department for you to appeal to, but you’d think the algorithm could easily find someone with a 13 letter unique last name. Apparently not.
algorithm is broken even without regular censorship
try finding Dr zharkova explaining climate change xd good luck 🤞
It depends on what religion you believe and follow. Some teaches love and kindness, others teach killing people and even their own for disobeying.
Keep up your good work! After reading some of the comments, you are obviously a threat to godless pagans . I support you 100%
You cannot be a godless pagan dunce. Paganism is rife with gods. So if you are godless then your post is either deliberately incorrect as a joke or stupid.
@ivanmiller383 - And if you were living during the Spanish Inquisition you would be unaliving people for not believing in what you believe. Or unaliving women during the Salem Witch Trials because YOU were under the false belief they were actual witches. Or guzzling the poisoned Kool-Aid along with the other Jim Jones cult. Just to name a few...
I was planning on watching this, but after reading Ivan's comment I'm having second thoughts...
all the religious want is eternal life, which is actually materialistic.
Isn’t it nice to be superior? Isn’t it fun to make others inferior and call them names, like “godless pagans?“
Yes it’s nice. But it’s lazy thinking and thoroughly dishonest.
Inquisition: Kills 6000 people in 300 years. Stalin: Could do that before breakfast.
how about Crusaders? 😂
btw we would have lots of witches these day to be taken care of... and exponentially growing in numbers
@@szymonbaranowski8184 Plenty of the Crusades were justified, taking back lands from Muslim conquerors.
@@illoominate Wow. Religion against religion is totally justified killing and definitely not religion-based.
Why inquisition? Why crusades? Those were minor incidents. There were whole populations wiped out so completely that you probably never heard about. But you can check the Teutons for example. You can check de las Casas on why indigenous people didn't want to go to heaven. You can check today's priests accountability for crimes. Christianity is a thousand year story of killing, oppression and genocide, inquisition is a single drop in this ocean.
This is just religion. Its egoistic self-serving fantasy. You must strive to do better.
You really smart woman!!! I like your simple and yet deep style! Profound themes! Gut arguments! May God bless you even more with wisdom in all things!!!
the correct answer is:
C. ideologues of all kinds are the worst.
quite the loaded question there...judge much, bae? 😢
So many contradictions in a concocted version of truth that is shackled to belief… for the benefit of the uncritical. I’ll just pick on one. It is so momentarily convenient to mention “Judeo-Christian” as if it was a unified ethic, when for centuries they killed each other. Such are the inconsistencies of a world view sustained by beliefs, that ultimately deny the truths we arrive at by honest reasoning.
The first 5 minutes are completely ridiculous. Will watch till the end though.
Well said.
No. It’s all anti atheist propaganda
The Catholic Church backed and supported the Nazis and Hitler.
The German soldiers had “ god with us “ on their belts.
Just came upon your site--
These materialistic world views can be traced back to Martin Luther- a deeply disturbed man. In fact modern day liberalism has its roots in protestantism.
My 100% support of women's rights aside, what has gotten better since women got the vote?
Martin Luther told us the real enemy. Liberalism is let's just call it "anti-Christ"
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Also, it’s “de Sade,” not “Sade.”
Why don’t skeptics ever just say, “Show me God and I’ll believe?!” Jesus was aware of this drive in man. And he provided an answer. He said, “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.” You wanna see God? Purify your heart. Hey, where’d everybody go?!
When God decides to use his power to make me believe whatever he wants me to believe (Ezra 1:1, Dan. 4:33, Acts 9:3 ff), God is pretty sure I'll become a believer at that point. So the less God does what's necessary to convince me, the less God wants me to convert. Sorry, arguments about the historical reliability of the bible do not carry the same persuasion-power as was boasted of in those three bible passages, quoted supra. Watching the Red Sea part is slightly more evidence for God than are arguments for Jesus' resurrection. And Calvinists tell me that the ultimate reason I'm an atheist is because God wants me to be an atheist, for as Calvinists believe, all human acts and choices always conform to God's secret will. We can never deviate from God's secret will. If a man robs a bank, God must have wanted him to rob that bank, etc. If that is the case, I would argue that God actually doesn't bitch about sin, ever, because our sinning is precisely what he wants. If God bitched at people for doing exactly what he wanted them to do, he would be utterly irrational. You will say Calvinism is heresy, but if even spiritually alive Calvinists and Arminians cannot agree on what God wants, they are fools to expect spiritually dead people like me to figure out which group has the "truth". I have an excuse. Romans 1:20 is not in the earliest and best manuscripts.
Le Marquis...
Brava!
Justine/ Faustina. La Pièce... Le Divin.
Fact.
"With the rapid loss of faith taking place in the West, especially in the United States". Odd comment as loss of faith has been happening in Europe for decades. I was born and brought up in the UK in the late 1950s and early 60s. Religion didn't figure in my and my friends upbringing at all. The Nordic countries are very much athiestic now and have also been so for many years. I'm a scientsis and a lifelong athiest and do regard religion as having a net negative effect on the world. Your argument that the athiestic countries are bad are based on lies, as countries like Russia and Nazi Germany were no athiestic but were ruled antidemocratically by dictators who were the subject of worship by their population. North Korea is a classic example of this, a totally religious country worshiping their head of state and his decendents. Personally, I have a major problem with the three monotheistic religions (plus Hinduism in this case) denying the underpinning of modern biology - evolution. Evolution is a fact and a theory (like gravity and germ theories) and is supported by mountains of evidence across diverse scientific fields from genetics (my field) and paleontology to geology and chemistry. All this because their holy books, written at a time when people basically understood nothing about the world, said so. This is irrational and a danger to progress.
There is bad religion also, not into Christian nationalism either. For myself I follow Jesus & try to live that out as well as I can I know many others who don't & behave as if they do more so even than those that claim they do. As a follower nobody that I know believers or not have a problem with me perhaps I'm a good example. Even Jesus didn't want to be a king. Hitler also took some of his theories from our own behaviors toward our repression of slaves & people of color often done by those that claimed a cross. Most wars have been fought in name of relegion also. Happened to hear your AnnRyd talk of which I am knowledgeable off & agreed with some of your conclusions. I'm also knowledgeable of Ben Shapiro & am not in agreement with or one of his/their cult follower. I keep it with Jesus, so I'm good. In his house (or g ds) he has many rooms.
Not into the Shapiro cult. I keep it with Jesus who by the way it's his job to choose followers. I'm always suspect of those that claim this in his name. I'm a woke Jesus follower do not label me & try to put that crown on my head. The state & government killed him I live it
What about the math in the Bible (Hebrew and Greek)? Math is universal. You don’t have to be a Catholic, Baptist, Mormon or even Jew - it’s still there and merits an answer.
It doesn't merit an answer because god's existence, even if true, is not relevant for us today.
Ask to Giordano Bruno ?
Ask Mao and those Christians uprising in Asia
At the end of your speech you mention some Biblical principals, and Biblical highlights within your speech, I wish to add to.
-- 1). Christ brought forth a mystery very few are aware of today: The mystery of his Grace for Salvation to everyone who believes. Grace is the blanket of God's eternal love overshadowing and engulfing the world in the present age.
-- 2). This Grace Christ shed on the cross for the sins of mankind (in this present age) as a sacrificial Lamb of God for the remission of sin for all who believe by faith. This is the simplicity of the Gospel, that in order to have eternal life you must believe in this finished work by believing in your heart, by faith, in what God has done through Christ his Son, for you.
-- 3) Our discipline to God (in Christ) comes by gratitude; by acknowledging our sins daily and walking within his promises that we shall not be forgotten and that we shall pass from death to eternal life, by faith in our Savior, Christ Jesus our Lord.
For we are aging and dying daily and Earthly existence is passing.
All will witness Gods Glory, but unfortunately not all will stay in Heaven.
Beware the SECOND DEATH written of in Revelation,
For if your name isn't written in the Book of Life,
You shall meet in the dimension of the dead,
Whom shall sleep, not day nor night,
And dwell where the worm dies not,
For all eternity with those whom,
Rejected Gods only Son,
A sacrifice of love
For You.
[ref. Ephesians, Galatians, Colossians, Philippians, Romans & Revelation of the New Testament.]
Make the effort to save yourselves, by making the effort to read and to avoid the fulfilling of prophesies upon the lost world.
Written, not by intelligence nor mental acumen, but by years of walking with God in Christ.
- JB of 34205 🧑🏻 A CMA motorcyclist for Jesus / "Preaching to one heart at a time"
The speaker is making assumption. I need for her to define "Believer" and "Atheist" . I'm pretty sure her definition of atheist is someone who only believe in the physical reality of existence. But wonder what is her definition of "Believer". Is 'believer' a religionist person assigned to an indoctrination of rules and stories? If so, there is massive blood shed over religious doctrine over the span of human existence. Many human have been murder in the name of a belief system. She fails to mention this as it is obvious she is Bias and has a bit of cognitive dissonance to work out. I do agree the atheist can use the excuse of not having to answer to a deity or a set of rules as a way to exploit fellow human. That is a human who will use anything at his ready to use as power to control or conquer others, Whether it be in the name of a religious belief or a belief that one can do as one pleases. That is why there was a need for religion; but as human evolve a higher consciousness and develop a understanding of right from wrong- good vs bad there will be no need for a outside influence to tell the evolved human how to behave. But then this speaker also still thinks 6 million little hats were killed without any research into that subject only parroting what she has been told by the His-story written by the victors.
See Jordan Peterson for views on religion.
Ick, now I need a shower.
I'm sure you do. What do we call people with closed minds, afraid to listen to other opinions? We call them liberals.@@petergarayt9634
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Many, many people that do believe in God suffer from drug and alcohol addiction, get divorced, engage in what you would refer to as immoral activities, etc. and many, many athiests do none of these things. The connections you try to make have no basis in fact and disregard the realities in life that do lead to negative behaviors. Your argument is very disingenuous and unhelpful.
@AK-km9qn - Exactly, thank you.
Well OK, but you can't really "chase God out" when no one can even see Him. That invisibility cloak is always there so He could go anywhere He wants to... incognito. I'm also not remotely convinced that so-called religious people even understand what religion is, let alone God... who basically seems to fulfill some sort of parental rescue phantasy. But no matter. All that's coming to an end in the 21st Century.
Mate, they've been predicting the "death of God" for decades now & it still hasn't happened. Merry Christmas & Happy Halloween.
@@aclark903 The parental rescue fantasy is coming to an end. You think *that's* God? Not. A. Chance. Moreover, religion has always been about time, not God. This is what the term "temple" means: temporal.
Finally, that quote by Nietzsche has been misunderstood. What he said is that God is *always* sacrificed. This is what "lamb slain since the foundation of the world" means. Try to wrap your head around that.
@@Demosophist Nietzsche is overrated. The guy went mad probably from his own misdeeds. Which is basically the story of atheism.
@@aclark903 I didn't bring him up because of his rating. I brought him up because he's the source of the phrase "God is dead". But Nietzsche chose the wrong side. He thought it would be a great idea to bring back human sacrifice. No one you know about has gotten to the nub. Revelation is not prophecy; it's memory.
@@Demosophist Have you read the #BookofRevelation? I suggest you do.
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There is no god.
@@Chad-xs2de maybe, maybe I'm just a seed growing till I'll be put 3 feet under earth, then I grow up like a big tree, into heaven, no one knows
Every statistic that you cite existed in spades for thousands of years. There are reasons that they call it "the oldest profession." You keep using the word "materialism," but what you are talking about is capitalism (institutionalized materialism). Capitalism has NO MORAL CODE other than gain piloted by the cost/benefit analysis. Money is the ONLY value system. The corporation is the go between liberating man from the consequences of his actions. How often do you hear of CEOs or board members or stock holders going to jail for crimes committed by corporations??? All the statistics you state coordinate exactly with the development of capitalism. More recent developments include the creation of hundred billionaires in a world filled with starvation, preventable death, and poverty. Being poor and deprived couldn't be the reason a person might sell sex, could it? Or steal? Or be personally undeveloped? Or be desperate? Or turn to escapism? The state of the world filled with war and poverty and an individual's powerlessness to prevent it couldn't possibly be the reason that people are depressed, could it? No, surely it is because they are not horse whipped enough. There are 500,000 homeless people in America and it just so happens, there are 500,000 churches. If each church took care on ONE homeless person.....
great comment I salut you
what a disappointment. Right off the batt making false assertions about atheism and what implications it holds morally, socially and individually. Especially in the context of a misleading and false presentation of the religious/atheist dichotomy. to be fair, I didn't care to listen to the rest of the talk after this opening. But I saved it to "watch later" when I get over my disappointment and bias. 😊
Her claims are actually against naturalism and secular humanism.....'>......
Redenbacher confuses atheism with a dogmatic system of belief, which it is not. Communism and Religion have in common that they are dogmatic ideologies to be accepted without question, often under penalty of death, so the real problem is dogma, not “atheism,” which is not a dogma, nor a system of belief. Dogma is basically terrible, whether it has a traditional God of a nontraditional “God.” Atheism merely means that some of us think the idea that we were created by an omniscient God to be questionable. If you read the Bible, you’ll agree that the Bible teaches us that God has the emotional maturity of a severely spoiled 10-year-old who indulges in vicious temper tantrums and acknowledges responsibility for nothing. If there is this supreme being responsible for “intelligent design”, then he is responsible for famines, small pox, malaria, tsunamis, famine, and so on. He is, in short, malignant.
“The crusades are one instance of a perceived religious cause acting out in a way that does a lot of harm. It’s not the rule, it’s the exception.” To claim that this was an exception requires a denial of much history. During the Middle Ages, when religion was the dominant power, it was arguably the most totalitarian society existed. People were not permitted to have different opinions, and were brutally forced into line if they disagreed with the religious authorities. Do you remember the Inquisition? Was it the exception? The slaughter of the American Indians, the enslavement of Africans because their umpteen-great grandfather had condemned all of the descendants of Ham to slavery. At the present time, Christians still teach their homosexual or transgender children to hate themselves, because the Bible, that condoned razing cities and slaughtering almost every living being within, except pretty teen-aged girls that they could keep as sex slaves, thought that homosexuality was an abomination.
If Christians paid any attention to the teaching of Christ, Communism would never have arisen. It is not an exaggeration to say that Communism was the economic policy that would have been prevalent if Christians actually paid any heed to the teaching of Christ.
The least religious countries in the world, at the present time, are also the ones that are the most successful economically, where the people actually like and trust the government, and where the people are the most content.
America is the country that is being ripped apart because the most ostentatious Christians are Trump cultists. The man who is obviously guilty of sexual assault, probably guilty of rape, ran a fraudulent university, embezzled funds from his “charity,” refused to disavow his Nazi supporters, etc. Nonbelievers do not become cultists. I think Ben Shapiro was, or is, a Trump supporter. Not someone who deserves respect.
I'll just counter one exaggeration: "To claim that [the Crusades] was an exception requires a denial of much history.... The slaughter of the American Indians, the enslavement of Africans...."
To claim (or imply) that Christianity, or religion, was the motivating force behind "the slaughter of the American Indians, the enslavement of Africans" is anti-historical.
In fact, the Abolishment Movement was a Christian movement.
May God your eyes-and heart.
Peace.
P.S. And please try to leave Trump out of a discussion that doesn't mention Trump-you'll just trigger yourself.
@@marcsmirnoff936 A supporter of Trump was mentioned, therefore Trump was implicitly mentioned. I am aware that the Abolitionists were mostly Christian, but so were slave owners. No claim was made that Christianity was the motivation behind the atrocities mentioned, but they were committed by and condoned by Christians. Is it not an exaggeration to claim that the atrocities of Communism were motivated by atheism? Yes, it is. The video sought to prove that atheism is responsible for me evil than atheism. It isn't. Dogmatic doctrines are responsible for evil. Atheism is opposed to dogmatic doctrines. Although, strictly speaking, I am not a materialist atheist, as I believe in the intrinsic existence of consciousness, and in the existence of God as an archetype. But that is irrelevant here.
Walter you are so old yet have no clue, how sad. Let me help you out, USS Liberty. Learn to read more than what you are told. Don't be a Goyim. Do just a little research and you will see.
do you even know why so many people are hormonally distinctional these days?
because we live in unnatural toxic environment that deforms our growth before we even get born
look up gut dysbiosis, pseudohormones and forever chemicals from plastics in food water air
nature made us into two forms not more
but humanity invents things fkg up itself even more everyday
we weren't supposed to eat plants at all lol
defying evolution, both religious and atheists lol
You're totally wrong. But it's very common - attributing own misdoings to communism, so we look better.
Marxism has no dogmas and is fundamentally based on a cycle of revision and reality check. There is absolutely nothing in communism that is based on hard assumptions. That's exactly the reason why communism is so heavily prosecuted - its core is about questioning assumptions and western ideology is fully built on untouchable doctrines which are simply baseless. Crusade against communism is all about denying space for independent thought.
Watched one video and subscribed, watched this an unsubscribed,
Lol same here.
3:20 Did she just describe Nazi Germany as "communistic"? One of the many extraordinary misreadings of history in this talk.
What did you expect?
She believes that belief in a man god should be central to one's life.
@@timonhallas2709 Good point!
Psst Hitler started as a Communist and quite literally enacted the Marxist works if Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto
Yeah she is a typical American Pleb. She talks about indoctrination and then she spews it all over the screen. She is not much different from who she criticizes. She is just a parrot.
Huh. I watched two of your videos earlier and i really liked them despite of viewpoint differences. But here you dive into pure ignorance.
You show you know nothing about moral conceptions outside of your doctrine - and it's fine, just don't lecture about things you know nothing about.
You know nothing about facts you're referring to nor about the sources you don't even mention.
You're cherry-picking cases against history of religion - crusades are not the first or even important.
You should not tell people about indoctrination or accountability when you just repeat indoctrination which causes that you couldn't even try to hold your image of things against anyone who has any actual knowledge about it.
"Mom with a mission", from the USA. Wise people need not see more to understand. It would have surprised me if she did not buy into all the Devil's fairytales about the otherly baddies.
Completely agree. She completely lacks insight in what really drove the atrocities in China, Russia etc. And she even thinks that these people were driven by atheism, which is ridiculously ignorant. And then she even wants to scare people with an idiot like De Sade etc. Rarely one encounters something so moronic.
I can only hope her viewers can think for themselves, and have a better understanding of reality.
Jesus endorses communist theocratic dictatorship and if you are a "Christian" then so do you. Capitalism is the antithesis of everything Jesus taught. "The love of money is the root of all evil." Remember that? How about, "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's (money) and unto God that which is God's (faith)?" So how can you claim that communism is atheistic or that communism and religion are mutually exclusive? You never heard of a religious commune? You never heard of religious people sharing everything with each other and being assigned duties for the good of the community? How about laws made by a community? Do you think that it is okay for a member to shit in the community well if they want to? So you DO think that the community DOES need to "tell people what to do" in certain aspects.
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
- This is just a call to believers to lead a moderate life. It seems that you are deliberately trying to misinterpret the teachings in order to twist them to serve Satan.
give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God
- This is the basis of the separation of church and state. Based on this, man has a double responsibility, responsibility towards people (state) and duty towards God (church). This is precisely the opposite of communes, i.e. communism, since even in the case of a religious commune, in addition to conformity to the commune, conformity to society remains based on the teachings.
It can be seen from these two that you are trying to smear Christian religious teachings with false propaganda.
@@gaborjuracsik4847 How is it that you see a consumer based economy as NOT covetous? How is it that you see a system designed with only the financial cost benefit analysis as its sole guide as moderate? Do YOU live moderately as compared to the billions of poor people around the world? No, you live quite luxuriously.
The men sent to question Jesus asked him directly if they should pay taxes. It was NOT a question about the separation of church and state. It was a question about taxes, which Jesus responded for them to pay, more so, that the money belongs to the state, not to God. If you are trying to claim that it is the separation of church and state, then show me the building that Jesus used for a church. Show me the religious rule book that Jesus wrote. Jesus didn't have an organized religion, so how could he have endorsed that it be separate from the state? He was not talking about giving an earthly establishment to God. Tell me, what use does God have for money? Does He order things from Amazon? It is clear, especially in context of Jesus message everywhere in the Gospels that he was not interested in saving people's wealth, or their pride, or their convenience, or even their life. He said that if a Roman soldier (the bane of all its conquered peoples) demands your cloak, to give him your coat also. In other words, if any petty tyrant wants your property, give it to them and more. So, what does he want you to give to God? Of course, things that are not physical.
@@stevesmith7839 It's been a long time since I've seen such incoherent and illogical writing. It should be dealt with so that the sentences are logically built on each other, and not on hidden premises.
However, the more serious problem is that your writing contains fundamental errors. Jesus regularly visited the temple in Jerusalem and other synagogues. The religion of Jesus is Judaism, just as Christianity is based on Judaism, and the Torah is part of the Christian Bible. The money that belongs to God was always used to deal with injustices that could not be dealt with in the free market, for example, it was used to provide for widows and orphans.
But it can be seen from this that you have no rational argument apart from your hatred. In practice, you can't even reason, your writing is so incoherent. If you are already preaching lies in the service of Satan, you could at least take the trouble to do it sensibly.
Beyond not believing in a god, all statements about what an atheist is are based on assumptions that cannot be proven.
I don't fear atheists, or God, or Hell. I fear Christians (and Muslims) who interpret their ancient texts literally and incorrectly, and then force their deluded misinterpretations of "morality" on to others. I have no tolerance for being lied to or deceived or guilt tripped for something I never did. Religion in itself is not evil. It is the believers who are evil and who do evil acts in the name of Jesus. I think Jesus would be horrified, disgusted, and ashamed of the evils Christians have done in his name.
You completely misunderstand why the NAZIs wanted to exterminate Jews. Apart from stealing the property and living space of the Jews, the NAZIs based it on the writings of Martin Luther and John Calvin, which were drawn from the New Testament Gospels and epistles. I know that because that's what NAZIs said. Long before the NAZIs, Jews were so afraid of Protestants they pleaded with the Catholic Pope to protect them.
Yeah, but it really got going when the proddy dogs got darwinism to inspire them.....'>.....
Pretty much every thing you said is wrong.
Oh, what a well thought out intellectual reply of yours lol
Troubled.
Doesn't change the fact he is right
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Well, both atheist and "believer" with blind faith(s) are the worst.
Many atheists are also having blind faith.
If your thinking re the truth, produce your evidence. And lets assess that evidence together.
The miss use of the word belief is the worst.
Constructive criticism:
Spelling errors/failing communication basics are the worst.
They destroy one's message, credibility, and perceived intelligence.
"Misuse" is correct.
@@timonhallas2709 So you believe in the absolute accuracy of words?
@@timonhallas2709 Such misuses are even worse* when committed in the very act of mocking another for (purported) miss use.
Signed,
Mister Used
*But also comical.
Therefore God exists. At last, I get it. The argument from desirability! A world where people don't believe in a supernatural, invisible law-giver, is likely to become a bad world because many will use this idea as an excuse for cruelty and murder. Conclusion: there is a supernatural, invisible law-giver.
you have your channel
Well, theists make claims they can't back up, pretend that something is true they don't know to be true, and cause lots of harm in the name of their faith and religions. Atheists don't. So that answers that question.
Claims?! Names and numbers, please.
Atheists are not bound by silly things like evidence or reason. Mere affirmations and snark are sufficient in every conversation.
@@user-mg2oq1od2t What evidence do I need for not being convinced that deities exist due to theists failing to present good evidence that they do exist?
Atheists do make claims they can't back up. And they don't have explanations for all of the phenomena that happens on earth. Plus they seem incapable of listening. I'd rather have a conversation with an agnostic or skeptic. They at least have open minds to observe and reflect on all of the possibilities.
@@hmgrraarrpffrzz9763 Show us some evidence that you exist. Atheists are dumb animals. Your nihilism will harm you. In time, Pascal's Wager will make more sense.
You have the gift of encouragement. Thankyou!
You are one impressive and awesome observer and researcher of ideologies and philosophies, Audrey...from a former philosopher, academician, Communist, and eventually Objectivist atheist - now a Christian and a humble, down-to-earth nobody of an employee in a corporate and capitalist machine world. You are a breath of fresh mountain air that gives me a glimpse of nostalgia. Continue your journey, Lovely Lady...never stop. 😉
that's a long ride with many sharp turns
good resolve to finding truth
but still in corpocage that's why you look way out
Oh.. wow. So many turns and you're still convinced as always?