Is the 2023 Civic Type R the PERFECT performance car? 5 Things I HATE & LOVE
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 16. 06. 2024
- The FL5 Type R has received a ton of attention and Honda says it is the best Civic Type R Yet. Let me share with you the top 5 things I HATE & the top 5 things that I LOVE about my new Civic Type R.
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For the millionth time...That "Fake Vent" in the front bumber he keeps saying is non-functional, IS NOT A VENT. It's an Aero Kick-Out for air to flow smoothly past the front wheel/tire and not get sucked into the wheel well. It's meant to kick the air out around the front wheels, so that the air that's directed in for brake cooling, can have uninterrupted flow into the wheel well, and flow out the side vent relieving high pressure in the wheel well. It's a purpose driven functional piece of aero design, not "just a fake vent". The Honda engineers specifically talked about their being no fake aero pieces on this car vs the FK8, they wanted everything that is there to be functional, and nothing extra just for looks.
Facts
Agreed and thatâs what I was thinking as well they donât do it on purpose
Thank you for the info
Savagegeese had a segment in their review with the chief designer of the FL5 type-R, who said there are no fake vents on the FL5. Everything has a purpose.
@@whosdondada No doubt. If you're interested Savagegeese has a great introductory review of the FL5 Type-R. In the video they have some interviews with the engineers, as well as Honda's technical slides about the car. One of the slides demonstrates what I'm talking about...but they're all interesting.
I love how you own a Ford Focus RS, Subaru WRX STi, FK8 Honda Civic Type R, and a FL5 Honda CTR in your garage! You are a hero and automotive companyâs around the world are grateful for your hard work and support!
Joe thank you for bringing this to us! Steven youâre the best!đ keep doing these reviews on your fl5 civic type r, and please do a video doing a Costco run!! Iâm torn between the integra type S and this type R
Love this, and would really like to see more vids on the cars you own. You've got some sweet rides Raiti đđ
Thanks will do!
He's got really good taste in automobiles and the means to indulge thanks to hard work and dedication. Joe and Lori.
Amazing videos Joe! keep them coming!
You got it Mike!
More type r vids đ, Waiting for full exhaust and intake!!!!!! This channel slaps!!!!!
Hey Joe, love the video. Just curious, what cars are in your fleet currently? Thanks for your hard work on this channel!
I really like the vids where you just talk about your personal experiences and opinions on cars
Thanks for the feedback!
Joe,
Love this review.
To the point and really very helpful.
Thanks!!
Thatâs means the world
Love the continuing review of Type R!
Love your vids keep up the good work â€
You got it my friend!
Amazing video!!! I'm looking forward to this car to arrive in my country!
Awesome my friend!
Congrats on your new Type R, Mr Raiti! You truly are a connoisseur of the finest of vehicles.
Thanks for taking the time to say that!
do you still own this and will own this for the next 15 years? thank you
There are definitely things I don't like about my car too. But like you always say, "No car is perfect." Love it!
Save the turtles!
Agreed on all your points Joe. Looking forward to upgrading this car!
Thanks Tin! Stay tuned!
Yo Raiti, great review. Comment about your issue with ride stiffness (thatâs what she said). You could consider downsizing your rims 1in and increasing tire height for a lil sidewall flex and enhances ride compliance.
I like how the car's animation in the screen also turns as you steer the car. Nice little detail by Honda!
Great video once again! I think your mic might be going bad though , the last vid you made had interference as well , thanks .
Thanks for the feedback
I think there's a reason why almost every car CZcamsr has bought one of these. Fantastic all around vehicle.
Totally an awesome car!
You are spot on the money about that!
So very true!
I don't think it is the car 100% that is the reason so many content creators bought one as it is they had the money to burn from their channels, they figured they will make money on it so go ahead and never stopped to think, what about my subscribers, the regular hard working people who always wanted a car like this, finally they have a chance so why ruin that?
Greed, that's why, ugly sad, greed.
I think they did it more for the views, subs and $$ that comes with that.
which killed the market for regular folks like you and I.
Unless of course you are willing to dump 5 to 40k$ over sticker which I am not.
Putting the car out of reach for regular people buy giving in to dealer demands hurts us all and it really irritates me the greed these people demonstrate rather than the feeling of community.
A community acts together for the best interest of the group, the greater good.
But you can see none of these youtubers did.
Not even our so-called buddy Raiti.
He put his desire and easy money from CZcams to work for him so he could get what he wanted without thinking about his subscribers who as a result may never get to own an FL5.
Weaker, less patient players will say, hey capitalism, and hey make more money etc.. but there is no need to pay over sticker for this car, ever.
If he and all others just said no I don't think a Civic is worth $50k Ill wait.
We would all be able to afford the Type R.
Production would ramp up and more cars would flow to America.
They just want more, more subs, likes, and dollars from advertisers.
Meanwhile if they had the guts to stand tall on it, even if it meant not being the first to own the Type r, and just said NO to dealers, they could have regulated the market for everyone.
Now it is a mess.
@@mattpipke5716 jesus christ you wrote a fuckin novel crying like a b***h lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great looking car, Joe! I agree, the exhaust sound needs some help.
Wishing you many miles of safe and fun driving ON THROTTLE.
Thanks David for being so kind.
@@RaitisRides I bet you can swap the Integra Type S exhaust over and get some better sound.
There is a module behind the glovebox that's responsible for the piped in noise. If you drop the glovebox, you can see it. Comes out with a simple screw driver and doesn't hurt the car in any way.
Always great job
I paid extra to get the gloss door trim for my Sport Touring, because it looks better with tinted windows. You can, of course, get all matte black parts, but then some people report sun bleaching deterioration of those.
I'm really happy for you, being able to get this Championship White beauty! This was my dream car 20 years ago, and it still is, now more than ever with this new generation. I hope I get the opportunity to make a really stupid financial decision within the next few years before this thing disappears for good.
Nice ride, Joe!
And yes, do some more in the depth videos of your other cars! That would be kind of fun, I donât think youâve done it on them.
Nice new series!
Thanks man
I love it Joe and Lori and keep up the great work real true and I love the video đ đŻ
Thanks brother man!
Canât forget Steve either
You should bring it when you get to doa full review of the Teggy Type-S. A good back to back comparison between the too would be awesome.
You hit the nail on the head with your choices of negatives. In my opinion this is the best overall generation but they made some odd choices to make the exhaust and the side vents severely toned down or just for show.
Thanks man for sharing your thoughts on this one.
I've told him same thing I'ma tell you. Those front bumper "fake vents" that he likes to "zonk" aren't fake vents. They're called air-kick-outs. They're a functional and intentional part of the overall aerodynamic design for the front and side. They're there to kick out air in a smooth laminal flow out and around the front wheel well/wheel/tire, and send it down the side of the car. It's there so that the air that's directed through the brake cooling dams in the bumper have a smooth flow to the brakes and out the side vent (also relieving high preasure build up in the front wheel wells). All of that is meant to work together to keep the brakes cool, keep the pressure in the wheel well low, and maintain smooth laminal flow down the side of the vehicle.
There are engineering slides out there of their wind tunnel testing, showing the various air flow for the different parts of the aero setup for the Type-R, along with brief explanations. I think Savagegeese shows some of them in his introductory review of the Type-R. One of the things the Honda engineers wanted with this generation of Type-R was to have all functional aero design, and drop any fake aero pieces like they had on the previous FK8.
Nice review đź my dream car.
The insert on the front is a functional air dam designed to settle the current around the tires lol. It is functional just not a vent.
Iâm in the know! LOL Great vid
Nice review Joe. How would you say the GTI Type R compares to the Civic Type R?
Great review, nice car.
Great review. Watched every second of it. I actually like this version of the Type R over the previous one. It looks a bit more tame. Laughed aloud about the turtle in the road.
Price should be 36-38k. 45k for civic is just too much.
Well it can outperform cars that $80k and above. So you're still getting a good deal.
Find me one for 45k and Iâll buy it today
Dont forget the 20k dealer markup! There should be some sort of mandatory MSRP pricing combined with a no resale clause. Sell the cars to people who will drive them and punish dealers selling above MSRP, sad state the enthusiast car market is in.
@@bigweedonly which makes it $65k. maan that was fully loaded hellcat out the door price 2 years ago đ„Č
Pricing for everything has gone up!
I agree with everything you say. Please more videos like this.
HI JOE THATS SO AWESOME! ILL NEVER STOP COMMENTING!!! I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!!
You are the best! Thank you!
â@@RaitisRides I know! I LOVE YOU!
Congratulations on your amazing awesome car which is a dream car for many. My wife and I love our Elite a spec Canada đšđŠ version MT black Integra đšđŠ â«ïž đ€ â„ïž and its super fun, so we can imagine type R and type S. Your exterior gloss black could be wrapped with satin black
Can't wait to see when the Civic Type R vs Integra Type S! I'm quite sure the Integra will be faster all the way around. Gloss black exterior finish gives it more of a luxury look...I like it..
Some of your best work here. Wishing you many years of fun with this jewel of a car. I appreciate the cooling improvements, Log R, interior dash tweaks, improved shifter, extra power, and custom modes of this gen. But keeping my AB '18 FK8 since I much prefer the styling, slightly lower weight and shorter length/ turning circle, no pumped in noise, not to mention cost. Oops I mentioned it.
Both gens are great- with no real competition- other so-called 'competitors' fail in one or more areas. At any price.
It says a lot when top auto journalists plunk their own money down on a model.
And please do more videos like this of your own collection.
That means the world! Thank you & will do!
All that feedback in the mic is his finest work lol
Great video! Might need to make some adjustments to the mic
Almost at a milly dude!!!!!!!
Joe good video I have question is hard the clutch or
Not hard at all
Happy Saturday
Wow was your car even ON at 5:50 đ Honda F up with that exhaust. Nice video as always! đđŒ
Great looking car! Gloss black looks great.
The stiff ride in R mode is stiff on purpose. It's there so that if you plan on seriously tracking the car, not just for fun. It's there so that when you use proper full race, R-Comp, tires the car doesn't get unsettled on track. If the tires are super sticky, and the suspension is too soft, it will upset the car on track. R Mode isn't really for street driving, even though I personally don't have a problem with it when you want to do some spirited back road driving.
Thanks for your intel.
@@RaitisRides I'm curious how many miles you have on your FL5 so far. Mine seemed to soften up a bit after about 1,500-2,000 mile break in on the suspension. Not crazy mind you, just sorta smoothed out those sharp edges a bit. Comfort is more supple, Sport is a proper middle ground, and while R is stiff, it's a bit less bouncy and more settled than day 1.
Thanks for the honesty Joe, but was this an Exit Interview/Trade in for a new Acura Integra Type S coming to the Raiti's Garage đ€đđ
LOL We will see Hunter!
You should have the trim on the outside all painted matte black it would look so cool! It canât cost that much to have it all painted. You would thinkâŠlol
Good idea.
Congrats đŸ. Man I wish the GR interior was closer to the type R.
congrats Joe enjoy
The gloss black is nice compared to fake carbon,
The exhaust sound is a let down maybe a sports cat might help it a bit before swapping it out.
Itâs an awesome car and built in Japan this time â€
Glad to see the FL5 again.
My new Camry TRD also has the red seatbelts for the extra 5 hp. đ
You know it!
Good looking car just looking at this car since subaru stopped making the wrx sti. best reviews on the Web
Whenâs the comparison of this against the Subie Type RA that you also own? Curious how this stacks against it and also the Subie S209 since you have had seat time in that also.
Hey Joe, I think it'd be cool if you did this format video version on your Bronco!
between your type ra, gt350, 1le, and this how do you decide what to drive everyday?
Get the sukeban design rock guards, just the right amount of protection from road debris coming off the tires. I dont get rocks on my sidesills
Cool stuff
Thanks for the review! I recently bought a 2019 FK8 and I love it but when the FL5 came out it took my interest. I think based on your reviews Iâm going to make the swap.
That is so wonderful! Thank you for letting me share it with you!
You look good in the car, it fits you like sunshine and rainbows.
Thanks for saying that!
I kinda agree with the zonks on the exterior with the gloss black on the grille. It should be matte black and the door handles and roof should also be black. Not sure why so many companies do the fake vents on performance cars.
There's away to disable the fake sound through the glove box. Just disconnect the connector! There's tutorials on yt on how to do it. Super easy.
Iâm mind blown that stealeships are allowed to mark these up 20-30k. Youâre putting this car in a different bracket of cars that it doesnât belong to. Iâm in CA and they arenât scarce. They are in every dealership but they are having a hard time selling because of the ridiculous mark ups.
Raiti, which do you think will hold value better? Type R or the integra type s?
Not sure if the FL5 allows it, but the FK8 you can unplug the pumped in engine noise. Think itâs a plug underneath the passenger side dash
I believe this is the same
Probably not a good idea till you get a proper exhaust.
Love your car,
So, I'm curious.
Now that the Type S is on its way, do you have any regrets about paying over MSRP for the Civic and are you thinking of either buying a Type s also or turning in the Civic towards a type s or are you 100% happy with your decision and have no intentions of getting the Integra Type S?
I wonder about many who either have been waiting for a Type R or are on a list or otherwise, how many of them will bail on the Civic and try to get a Type S.
after June's allocations of 200 cars comes and goes, only then will we have a better idea on production and wait times for more cars, hopefully September thru Jan we will see cars flowing from Maryville Ohio for buyers that do want the integra.
It seems like if someone who paid over sticker wanted to sell their type R right now it is 50/50 as to whether they could recoup their money or not.
I mean who is going to pay 5k over MSRP when the Type S which is being made in America and should not suffer shortages like the Type r did is only weeks away from pricing reports and first allocations?
I love the Type R but from day 1 I wasn't impressed with some of the interior options.
I get it they wanted to literally save every pound they could for setting track records, understood, but I do keep my cars for decades, and the thought of having a bare bones interior compared to many of the competitors didn't sit well with me, I don't love the Type R seats, or the lack of creature comforts.
I mean it is only a 300 hp car, my 07" Nissan is quicker, so saving weight at the expense of tech and of luxury to me, in this car seems kind of over kill, just my opinion of course.
I lover the integra.
Started out wanting to buy the Sport Civic, with the 2 liter 160 hp motor, why? Because it is bullet proof, gets great gas mileage and looks great.
The Type R caught my eye only because of the 2.0 liter, I don't trust the 1.5.
Then the integra came out and although I love the interior, (except the dash vent cover being broken up) I didn't want that 1.5 so I figured I will go either for the Type r or the sport to avoid the 1.5.
But now that the Type S is on its way and promises to not have severe shortages like the Civic did due to it being built in Ohio, I feel like getting one is pretty realistic to me, I think anyway, let's hope.
I really want the Type S very bad.
I hope it works out that way.
WTH is wrong with you
Is that a weather tech truck tray? How do you like it. Did you change your floor mats as well?
Yes & YES
They make the best mats
Did the weather tech trunk tray have an extra piece of plastic on the subwoofer side? If so did you have to cut it off.
Rati- I have a gt350r too. Do you think itâs good to get the type r?
I would suggest that Honda use a full length center console. This would give the interior 4 bucket seats and some additional style. For me personally, I'd remove the rear wing altogether and paint the wheels silver and add all season tires. I want some nice driving, but don't need/want all-out track capability.
Thanks for you thoughts on this one.
That shift knob looks butter. Wonder if itâll be hot during the summer lol
I'd have to get an aftermarket exhaust. I like my cars to have sound.
Looks Great! Personally, Id want an automatic Type R cause Im lazy!
it's a great Accord
đșđž *Really love ALL of the NEW Type R videos* !! *Have owned several straight drive Honda cars* !! *Glad to hear the transmission and shifter work so seamlessly* !! *Can't wait to see the video from track day* !! *Fantastic content Joe and Steven* !! #RaitisRides đșđž
A cat back Borla exhaust might be louder and sound better? Muffler delete? I love the video keep making them!
You should try disabling the valve and keep it open.
It makes a noticeably deeper growl through the lower rpms.
I personally hate the back seats. The quality is no where near as nice as the awesome bucket seats up front. Also, it sucks they decided to make it a four seater instead of five.
I do love the car though!
I definitely think you should put an aftermarket exhaust on this car.
Agreed
What about a spare tire for those epic journeys? Can it not be fitted aftermarket?
they deleted the real sound and gave you a fake one that you can't turn off lol. Love this Type R though just not the mark ups at dealerships. Thanks for the review!
Time to trade that in for the integra type s
We will see.
Is perfect for those who enjoy driving. Keep enjoying it,
Thanks Omar!
Itâs a great car if you track, sure. But itâs not gonna do anything different on regular roads being driven how most people drive it on regular roads.
@@billbigshlong382 possibly
Like the gloss black and the trim pieces lol
I just trade in my 2021 fk8 for this same car and i love it and the car being assemble in japan makes a huge difference
Nice video as always but idk if it's just me but there's a static coming from the mic ? 13:40 would be a perfect ex.
Thatâs for that heads
I'd be curious what the stock exhuast would sound like if you do resonator deletes...there's 2 resonators I think, so would be interesting to see one deleted, then both deleted and see what it sounds like in both cases. Or....maybe leave the resonators, and delete the muffler....or a combination 1 resonator and the muffler.
Thatâs what we are going to do.
@@RaitisRides Looking forward to it. Also, be on lookout for your drivers seat frame starting to squeak, especially if you rock your body side to side (mine started developing at around 1,300-1,800 miles). This is a known issue, and I already had my seat frame replaced once under warranty, even though my rep let me know quietly it looks like a recall and redesign may be on the way (she didn't want me to have to wait with a squeaky seat). If recall happens I'll get it switched out again for new design, though so far the squeak hasn't returned and it feels more solid. Driver size and weight doesn't seem to be the issue, as people from 130lbs up to 345lbs all experience same problem with the seat.
This is all part of the early adopter problem. There are almost no aftermarket parts out for the new car, and you become the beta tester shaking down the new car design and any aftermarket parts.
Absolutely we love the continuing saga videos of your FL5 ownership experience. Since we can't all own a Type R, it's nice to live vicariously through you. Great job Stephen and Joe!
Thank you Tom for being so supportive!
How does it compare to a 2020/2021 STI as you have done quite a few videos on them (I own one now)?
Joe, do you remember if you had the seat all the way back? I'm asking because I'm 6'6", I fit well in the Sport, but I know those seats are thicker.
My brother has a 2019 white civic type R he loves it
Love your Type R but love more your care of the turtle!!
The oem wheels and tires on this car are nice.
I agree on that one David
Just pull the exhaust valve fuse from the engine bay. There was a procedure on how to do it on forums, takes 2 minutes. Car sounds maybe 10 percent better not huge but I guess a bandaid fix until porper catback systems come out, and go down in price (i'm not paying 3k for no exhaust!)
This is so very true! Good call!
I think the carâs suspension is pretty stiff in all three settings. But, it is quite the machine! Honda really did an amazing job!
Ask your mom about stiff suspensions
With that exhaust valve, I wish we could get more noise like the Elantra N. Optional crackle tune. It's fun! Especially if it's optional.
Elantras are slow đ
@@TheFK8Life Lmo Yet people are out tracking CTRs with the DCT ENs.
@@DragonKnightX12 No they aren't- my R makes 566whp and will smack any Elantra on earth. Hyundai engines are shit
I have a 23 civic EX-L and i don't like the integrated wiper/sprayers, hate the auto shutoff at stop( i know i can shut it off every time i drive, but i shouldn't have to pay extra to make it disabled), hate that i can't disable the seatbelt alarm and the no cruise control unless the camera system is clear. and the A pillar could be moved back about 2".
You can always change race exhaust pipe to your honda, so you get that sound what you've been looking for. Change intake filter too
So very true!