Viking Kings Ancestry: Norse Gods as Real Humans
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- Looking over some of the sources about the Norse/Germanic gods as real humans of Kings all over the north of Europe
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About the naming of people - the first Christian Bishop in the very old viking city of Odense in Funen was named Odinkar - which translates into Vessel of Odin
Okay, but that it’s not we’re the norse god Odin got his name from.
I hope you don’t mean that. The god odin was not a christian at all.
@@iamvonwowern4052 funny that oden & Jesus we’re both lords of Yule tho
@@deanasaurs they aren't I christainity it was recognized that Christimas was apagn and then they inverted it to monotheism.
@@iamvonwowern4052 No, I see it like the bishop arrives to the place and they or he gives himself the title of vessel of odin.
I love learning about ancient history doesnt matter what religion or etc it's from I find all mythology and historic facts very intriguing. Glad to have found your channel
I’ve got a theory, especially after reading Snorri’s literature and other sources. It seems the Vanir were the traditional gods of the Neolithic Scandinavians. And with the coming of the Indo-Europeans and their warlike culture then came the Aesir, thus the Aesir-Vanir war takes place. I think the runes of the steppe Turks show this well, with the extreme similarities in writing form. The formative years of Scandinavia are the most important yet we have the least amount of sources
Yep. Many other historians have said that same thing
There is a word for that - Euhemerism.
The christian missionaries (monks) used euhemerism as a way to convert and subvert our forefathers beliefs. I suggest watching Survive the jives video called "Hebrew Anglo-Saxons? - Medieval Conversion Tactics". It is also something that the christian Snorri Sturluson does in his writings in the prose eddas and he reduces the Gods to historical persons and mere progenitors of kings and thus removes all the divine and metaphysical from them
You are totally right. I want to like this channel but it is so attached to texts and accounts by christian subversives... i cant even endorse it. Lol
Actually, Christianity spread among the common people during the Middle Ages. The ruling class of Nordic society was always and still today are all Satan worshipping Freemasons. They pretended to be Christian so that the people wouldn’t overthrow their apostate regime. In case you folks didn’t know this, Odin is Nimrod, same as Gilgamesh or Osiris, etc. Freya is same as Ishtar, or Isis. She is the mother of Tammuz, whom you know as Thor.You’ve been worshipping Satan, but then many of you know that, hence the hostility towards Christianity.
Well, do not forget, that there probably have been characters in germanic tribes, that impersonated the gods for the people. So there is truth to it, but also you need to be able to read the patterns right. What is Woden? What is the pattern behind that deity? It is a name and it has characteristics told through stories, but WHAT is Woden? See my post on that here in the comments.
There fantastic stories have been told on purpose. To seperate the ones than can be initiated from the one's that will "believe in Santa Clause" for all their lives.
Because that was already a problem in the late stages of heathen ruled territories in Europe.
It all boils down to the Allegory of the Cave.
@@memyselfandi8544 Satan is a Christian Bible invention .The Pagan beliefs go back to the last Ice Age .
ME, All that is pure Christian Quakery. PAGANISIM came thousands of years before Christ and it's actually the Christian Church that robbed and renamed Pagan dieties and traditions. You've certainly been drinking the Kool Aide-- stagger off to your Church for more indoctrination.
Post Christian conversion, the monks tried to connect all of the ruling houses of Europe to Noah, etc. Everybody wants the most illustrious ancestors
That's right. They did the same in Ireland. The Christians claimed that the Tuatha Dé were a race of people descended from the Hebrews. What a load of crap. Lies like that are a way of keeping some of the old pagan culture whilst degrading the Gods to being just mortals so it doesn't contradict belief in the One God.
Wow. If we believe the Christian myth of Noah and the Ark we are all descended from Noah. LOL. Why would they have to try and prove it?
@@ansionnachbeagrioga5260 Tuatha de Danan is suposed to descend from greeks, not hebrews.
Actually the tuatha de danann came from Anatolia. In Galicia there is a monument to a king, Breogan, who looked towards Ireland and from there the invasion of the Nemedians started. All Indo-Europeans, mix more, mix less, we come from Anatolia.
Supposedly before we were blue-eyed, and brown. I don't know, but it's what modern anthropological studies say.
I just found this channel! What a gem! Very excited to be here. Thank you for your dedication and work.
Saxon here, honoring those who came before and those of us holding the fort after 💪💪
I’ve always wondered if, similar to the part where you talked about myths vs historical records, all of the ancient pagan gods (not just Norse, but Greek, Egyptian, etc.) were originally humans, probably royals or nobles, and over years of oral tradition, their stories became larger than life, like a generations long game of telephone. Similar to how we in the USA have the story of George Washington chopping down a cherry tree as a child and then admitting it to his father because lying is bad, even though there is no historical evidence that it ever happened. And maybe sometime story tellers took creative liberties and made up their own fictional stories about the gods/legendary people, kind of like in the movies Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and Abraham Lincoln vs Zombies.
They were deified because they were the first few generations after the flood- and the world was not so diseased and such. they lived about 300-400 years and grew to giant size (every ancient myth is full of Giants)- about half of what the pre flood people did.
These long lived giants outlived many generations of their smaller and smaller descendants- the wicked tyrants of that age deceitfully convinced their descendants that they were the first people after the creation (not flood)- and were in fact immortal.
This is why we no longer see deified kings- they don’t have these unusual advantages to pull off the charade.
Probably successive artists and authors build more fantacy over existing myths, just like what Marvel has done and still doing by adapting old comics to new tech.
@@planetawesome3300 I don't think we have found any giant skeletons yet. We have found little skeletons but not anything more than modern heights in those local inhabitations. Especially atleast in royal tombs such findings were possible as you say they were royals.
King Alfred the Great claimed descent from Odin
One of my great grandfathers from around 243 was supposedly killed by loki
His descendants claimed he was a son of the Norse god Odin. Snorri Sturluson identified him with the Norse god Baldur. Beldeg's mother's name is not given, though it is likely one of the first three wives of Odin.
The reason why in the edda why it says Odin came from for example Ukraine is because Snorre had to make changes like that or he would be arrested for being hethen. For example he alsi says the Aesir are from Asia in the Porlogue. He does plenty of changes like this in the edda and say for example stuff about Loki and Turkey and stuff like that.
Asgard can be regarded as being of Asia also because of the indoeuropean connection supposedly but as he cites there's stone age stories and more recent ones
@@jairoukagiri2488 No I'm not guessing here, Asgård is not Asia. Like there has been studies on the Edda and why SNrore wrote like he did. You know in the Edda in the original copy Snorre included multiple bible verse that are cut out in modern versions. He had to do this to slip by the christian system and publish his writings. If you buy a 100% complete edda in 2021 there will be a warning in the first few pages that snorre had to do this. But some people read the 100% edda without knowing the context and think "oh Asgård and Aesir are from asia, Loki is from Turkey and Odin from Ukraine." When in reality it's just to bypass the system.
Good video!
Woden represents the sum of your personal ancestors and he is also the sum of all gods, unifying them in himself.
He is the sum of everything and when tribes say that they descent from Odin/Wotan/Woden, they are saying "we descent from our ancestors."
And of course, he is the furious one: The ancestor being reborn in a baby screaming at birth, that fell from the tree after nine long nights - from the umbilical cord and placenta tree after nine months, receiving his (his ancestors) accumulated knowledge and self, once more.
Found your channel about a month ago and enjoying all the content - appreciate how you acknowledge and compare Norse with various other historical religious or spiritual practices - my hubby is from Fiji and it’s surprising the similarities even between their historical practices and my Germanic historical spiritual practices - just fun to learn and see how we are more alike than different sometimes.thanks for your videos!
You touched upon a little known truth. …All pagan religions around the globe are basically the same- because they came from one source- the unholy trinity of Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tamuz. Their names/religious practices spread across the world about two hundred years after the flood with the dispensing population from Babel- but by different names- due to the confounding of the language by God. All have a creation story by water, a flood story- brought by God due to wickedness, a savior, and a destructive end times scene at the end of “time.”
Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tamuz became known as Oden, Frig, and Thor to the Norse, Osiris, Isis, and Horus to the Egyptians, Degi, Turukawa, and Rolola to Fijians, etc.
The Judeo/Christian story of God, Mary, and their Son Jesus (together with their creation story, flood story, and end times story) are very similar to the Pagan religions because this is the original story Noah recounted and prophesied about to his Children. …The prophecy that Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tamuz deceptively impersonated back at Babel- that spread across the Earth as “paganism.”
You're really full of yourself. You think you know the truth better than everyone else because you've never once questioned your masters
I've always believed our gods were, at some time, real people. Millenia ago, but remarkable people who where then mythologized over the ages. I've always followed the Irish pantheon, and dedicated to Brighid, but the Norse settled in Ireland and other places, and my own grandfather was Norwegian, I'm now looking into the Norse. It's only respectful, and I love the history and mythology. I've been pagan for decades, and no sparkle witch. And since both peoples came out of the same Proto-Indo land and languages, it makes sense to me to do my research.
Dan Davis touches on that nicely
No sparkle witch?
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Many thanks for sharing this. Blessed be
I found out last year that I'm descended from King Harald Fairhair. My dad was Norwegian. Every year before Thanksgiving dinner, my dad would pull out a plaque of Lief Erikson and discuss our forefathers for two hours, lol. The food was always cold.
My lineage shows one of my 50 something great grandfather's daughter married king Harold Fairhair.
Maybe legends of great warrior became the inspiration for some, or all gods.
As an example, a description of a chieftain might have been "Odin" (i.e. someone possesed), so what started as a verb became a name (which is very common).
So to be possesed by great and powerful force was "to odin"; and said spiritual force might be an universal power (The Holy Spirit, The Great Spirit, etc.) and locally or regionally it became synonymous with that chieftain, leader, or what have you.
It kiiiinda also ties into Gaia-hypoteses and could help to explain the overwhelming similarities amongst humans everywhere, from a bio-chemical standpoint :)
(I.e. sorta like forests can communicate, so might humans communicate more complex than previously thought through channels we don't normally associate with complex communication (for example Pheromones))
The "big" Danish city is called Odense is named after Odin and was most likely the place where Odin was worshipped the most and might therefor have the biggest historical connection to Odin.
Odense nogaut can only be derived from a god. Judging from my spiritual bliss i get from eating it. So it's absolutely plausible................................ Now i'm off to the store
Sory to bother you looking into my dutch heritage and my family's viking claims my last names Hoeben blond blue eyed I have no idea if but very curious if ud know anything appreciate any help?
Thanks for posting this awesome video! Really enjoyed it! I truly like how You touch on different perspectives, while keeping a neutral one, when speculating on possibilities. That's how the good scholars do it. :) I kind of dislike when people stubbornly preach one theory in obsessive manner.
I always thought of them as forces in the Cosmos such as Loki he's all about chaos but planned chaos like the universe its chaos but in order never as real stories.
Loved your interpretations. Thank you🦋
Odin and frigga show up on my family tree. I always assumed it was either the royals being big headed or that they were exalted ancestors. Love this video! Thank you for posting it
Interesting theories to contemplate for sure. Typically in most historical sources, there's always a grain of fact that is then embellished and/or swayed with an agenda in mind.
These video discussions are so good!! Thank you for making these🍻
I'm glad you're sitting somewhere with better lighting. Much nicer to watch while looking at you face, instead of being drawn to look at the lights on your ceiling.
89% Celtic, 10% Norse, 1% Cherokee... 100% Texan! Cheers brother! Love your CZcams channel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! BTW I been wanting to ask you if you could tell me some more info about King Saemingr or Saeming of Halogoland circa 200AD. My ancestry research has led me down a branch that may very well lead to him. I'd love to know where to look to find more info on him. Anyways cheers my friend!
I am fascinated by all of this. My family on my Father's side were from Norway and we still have relatives in Lillehammer and other areas of Norway. One of my great aunts, my aunt Selma, made the family history her passion and she and my uncle went to Norway every year to meet with relatives and do work on the family genealogy. She said that the family name was somehow among the kings of Norway. She had a drawing I saw once, looked very old, of a family tree for the Rudi family. I know that Rudi is a reference to farms or farming but how that ties into the kings of Norway. I always wondered why everyone pronounced it like they did (Rude Eye) but apparently the name comes from old German which confuses me even more. As I understand what I was able to glean from things, the family is somehow tied into the Norwegian kings earlier back, before Sweden got involved in the House of Norway but I can't get my hands on that particular drawing she had of our family tree. Both she and my great uncle have passed now and it is unknown who might have collected up the things she brought back from Norway. I think her sons may have inherited them but I am unsure. I keep hoping that there will be some simple way to research this but I think I am deluding myself, LOL! Might you have any ideas of some resource that might give me a better idea? I appreciate any ideas you can give. Love the channel, Mange tusen takk!
Thank you so much for sharing so much information.💚💚💚
Only just found your channel and i love it coming from England and most probably having Viking DNA.
An7body from Germanic, Scandinavian, or Northern European ancestry has norse blood as the vikings con queued all these tribes. They then lived with these tribes expanding their empire and mating with the women. The good part of being viking.
I’m 11% Viking ancestry
it is extremely dangerous to believe that only one person can/did possess the full power of a divine energy. history shows us that but ppl will continue to believe that even if it doesn't make sense.
Paramahansa Yogananda did indeed possess divine energy, he was the indian guru who brought yoga to America -- he healed hundreds of people
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Good video i think you nailed it.
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Brother you always make videos on the best subjects.
Very good video! Thank you! 👏
Some stories are based on historical facts, some stories are based on the cosmos, and some stories are based on earthly substances.
Guan Yu (Chinese god of war) was a real general who became deified after death due to his accomplishments. I think this was common among ancient cultures especially those that revere their forefathers. The difference here is meticulous written records. Records of the Grand Historian.
I think your spot on with this topic... it does awaken the spirits within and I believe a step farther... awakens/draws the spirits from beyond our realm. Please have more updates on this topic!
The Intro was badass
I think the gods exist within the fabric of reality and can be channeled through our bodies because they (our minds and bodies) are a conduit, just like for our spirit/soul. I think the odds are low one would ever channel such energy in place of their soul (or permanently) but could be "charged" with it for a time. It may be many aspects of one god, or many different gods, but whatever it is seems to be very real.
I think this is a primal/intuitive interaction with these energies and can possibly be a refined practice with the right spirituality and state of mind but is otherwise chaotic in frequency.
Opening and closing a magik circle.
Blessing a church/ temple/ house.
Cursing and creating a haunted house or grounds.
Dreams so vivid you think you are awake.
Or the frequency of the circle is enough so the astral being can be seen by the mind's eye when you are awake.
I always created my bucket list by finishing something amazing and then saying, "that was a bucket list type item". Worked well till at age 48 I was told I had 11 years max. Im down to 2 to 5 according to the doctors. I hope to see my family church b4 I go. Its in Trondelag. I hope to take my brother who has about the same amount of time. In the meantime I make so with this guy's clips. Totally love him and how he does what he does. Skol!
I’m so excited! i just found this channel! it’s absolutely great!
Cheers mate
Really solid content worded in a way I've been searching for in for head for years!
this kinda reminds me of the pharaohs from ancient egypt, they were called god kings or something
Good video! Keep em coming!
Could you do one with the topic of "sagokungar"? There is a boundary in Swedish history (dont know about norwegian and danish) where they start to call our local kings (chieftains) "fairytale kings" because the sources start to blur and blend fiction with history I suppose. Example: Ingjald illråde, Sporsnjal, Svigverk..
Honestly if we go by the Ancient Greece, Europe only had writing for barely 3,000 years.
And that was only in one part of Europe.
Woden beard what a great vid keep it up 👍🏻
Wondering if it was you I met on the ferry to washington island last fall...
Nope. never been to Washington. Will sometime soon though
When you talk about the gods taking possession of the energy of a human, I've had experiences where I have believed this to be true in moments of synchronicity, but I don't think those possessed by the gods that you encounter really are consciously aware the gods use them as vessels. They just find human vessels that they believe personify what they think humans would think the gods would look like if they were met in the flesh.
If you meet a human possessed by a god you might feel a kind of vibration, or disturbance in a magnetic field around you. It's hard to describe to those who have not experienced this.
I can only say that if you have ever seen any of The Highlander films, there are scenes where it's implied the immortals sense magnetic field disturbances from the life force of other immortals right before they meet one another. I think it's a very similar experience if you ever encounter a human possessed by a god.
The human mind has to be at a given mental vibration so an astral being can gain/ take possession of a human for a host. Weather through religious devotion or drug abuse.
In modern jargon, .. a human ..
Brian is hard wet ware build to run off of instinct.
Public schooling/ culture/ personality is the soft ware.
Astral being/ soul = to phone App.
So am I saying you can pick up a astral being/ demon the same way your phone/ computer can pick up a virus ?
I mention this to a few other people and just got way too much hate back on it.
Nice to see someone remembers the Highlander movies, ever watch the two tv series spin off ?
@@krispalermo8133 I think from that perspective it would be a little like the Denzel Washington film, Fallen. In the film, an Aramaic speaking demon named Azazel jumps from body to body making people into murderers temporarily. Of course, the gods aren’t gonna always be this malicious. *Spoiler alert* Denzel by the end of the film thinks he has destroyed the demon by letting himself get possessed in an isolated rural area with no other bodies to jump into. Denzel gets killed, but it wasn’t anticipating that the demon could possess a nearby animal since no other people were around. Yes. I’ve seen the films, and Highlander series with Adrian Paul. But, not the one with raven in the title.
@@rainer1980 Should have sealed the demon in a genie lamp. Or created a stone circle to bind the demon it before offing himself. .. but .. it is a horror movie and they nearly always have cliff hangers to show the villain/ monster is still alive as the survivors walk away.
Thank you for your reply.
You speak of the connection we have with the divine. Synchronicities is the way the Gods teach me things. It's funny because I kept thinking of the Highlander series for some reason now I know why. 😊
@@bunnybrown809 One of the on going themes to the Highlander series was, learning to let go of those you love and still finding the courage to make friends and love people you know that you will out live. Also the series had a good bit of moral tales base on long time friendships, which lead to other plot drama problems to solved. Due to the lack of aging, it will create too many questions of knowing someone for thirty or more years and they haven't age a day.
The only way I see that a real person was treated like a God would be if said individual won some extraordinary battles and lived to tell the tail of what happened. Victory in battle and survivalist are the only way I know would be to the criteria on how one would be considered a God.
Wish I had seen things from this wise perspective before I just laughed at "dead ends" in family trees.I appreciate your full and honest consideration. I wonder how such conclusions were made when deciding to jot down "'Odin' father of this race". My theory was that this is an excuse for not looking any farther... Now, it seems obvious that this Odin was a literal chief of his tribe.... anyway, thanks for another thought provoking video.
“As Above Is So Below” is what I always go back to on this topic while taking Kenning and the real people as God’s aspect into consideration.
Do a Tyr video on what he true Kenning was!
They could've been people who embodied a particular god and were seen as a sort of avatar of that god
You almost double in subs every time I look 😁🙏🏾👍🏾
I am a descendent of Svantepolk Knutsson, it is clearer from my full name, and I and my father on some rare occasions have both been approached by those with this exact notion in mind, possibly helped along by our look. I would dismiss it, agreeing fully with the differentiation between the myths and the strangeness of a more direct, but old, passed-down record, and to be honest it can be very awkward when approached by someone holding too much literal belief, as I would suggest it worked the other way around: I think the gods were inspired by extremely talented humans, not humans who were creations of the gods. Meeting my dad, especially, you might think so and have it finally put to the test. A "Wild Weasel" in Vietnam, an Air Force unit given a suicide-mission which suffered a fatality rate of nine out of every ten men killed in action per tour during the war, or 90% of them dying (and he did it for three tours), he was shot down seven times over the jungle and still fought his way out on foot, was bit by a cobra and earned his call-sign, "Cobra," etc., but as a result was given early brain scans and other tests following the war which found he had enlarged and extra-developed structures in his brain (particularly his corpus callosum which in him was about twice the size of average and is responsible for inter-hemisphere communication), also a peripheral vision which gave him perfect, 20/20 sight out into his "deep periphery" at 60-70 degrees to his sides (his forward vision was 20/10), meaning he could see like a hawk and a horse at the same time, and more; and he could walk up and down stairs on his hands, and perform many other feats of physicality that would astound or seem, "super." There was certainly something of interest to his genetics. The question remains, did the gods create such a man, or did the average peoples once see such a man and dream up the gods from having no other explanation at the time? Well, I won't say that I know for sure, and neither would he have, really, but it seems like a notion to be cautious about -- or at the bare minimum, humble about -- remembering that it makes little difference in the face of what most of this huge, angry world has to throw at us even at the best of times.
Women in ancient Greece had to live by certain given social norms of a given city state, yet if a young woman was .. wilder .. than normal even after recieving beatings for non proper behavior, such as running nude at night and getting into fist fights cause of anger issues, they were sent to the cult of Diana/ or some other huntress/ warrior priestess order. Was Diana the huntress some young wild woman when Greeks were still in their hunter/ gather stage that was well know or create over blow stories on how she killed men with her bare hands ?
Side note, my little sister and her friends used to ambush me and our brother and dog pack us for giggling fun. If you take the Greek myths with a grain of salt, young women used to dog pack men camping out in the forest at night and beat them to death in a drunken high of smoked plants. Later on I started learning stories of wolf cults in Germany and all the way to Ireland where young landless men living in the woods surrounding the local villages hunting with wolves later domesticated as " wolf hounds." Then take into effect that Odin was known to have two hounds/ wolves, two ravens, and an eagle.
Once what was known to be .. normal .. traits to forest wild people and farmer, became legendary feats to urban village people. Then you have the early bronze age Greek city states .. nobles/ warriors .. that were raised to be power lifters and life long soldiers compare to the average weekend warrior militia member. Then you just have those freaks of nature. In all, .. camp fire tales to pass the time and to teach social/ religious norms.
That G*D you got to know your dad, hope you had a good day, and G*D bless.
Wow you have over 38k subscribers now. Awesome. I remember the good ole days when I subscibed when you only had 17k. Good times. You have a great channel
That last part seems similar to the portuguese "lusíadas" from Luis de Camões. Portugal was already a Christian country but there are a lot of Roman goods in it.
See, in Slavic we have the legends of gods living among us, almost as heroes of the old acting as an avatar for a god. Like Perun is not a thunder god, he IS the storm, and ages ago, there was an invincible monster slayer we seen as Perun incarnated, or Svarog, or Mara...
Very Interesting about Odin's origins there .. thanks for that.
You know, one thing I never got, is the Turks in the prose edda? Like I understand the interpretation of putting Troy as some distant ancestors (just like Rome making the Scandinavian and Roman nations into brothers). However the Turks of Turkland are just random. Is this the aforementioned hunnic expansion into the “islands of the ocean” (western Roman ambassador Romulus)? This wasn’t a parody or some aspect to enhance their culture, it’s just random.
I should mention that Turkland (not Turkey as it was called Turkey or land or the Greeks under the Byzantines and Seljuks of RUM (ROME) was ruled at the time was the kipchak-Cuman confederation from Mongolia (prior to the mongols) living a Comanche like lifestyle from Bulgaria to the altai mountains and taking tribute from the Rus princes and Volga Bulgars.
So was Odin mixed with the leader of the hunnic conquest north, Uldin? Maybe?
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The Swedish name on my mother's side comes from an old Norse tribe who thought they were descended from ODIN.
...So not arrogant or anything.
Just thought they were demigods.
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Imagine the ego inflation.
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@@bunnybrown809 🤣 We'll go with that.
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In Christianity we have prophets and roman catholics have saints. Not the same. One of the differences are that the gods is not immortal but are forever young by eating of the tree of life, which fruit are called Iduns apple, picked by the Goddess Idun. The Gods once grew old when Idun was kidnapped by the giants.
I remember reading a Roman account about how the gauls had a common practice that the son who succeeded his father would keep his skull for what reasons they said I can't remember right now
Yes they did. Allthough we dont know exactly why. The roman sources that write about this are not the most reliable
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 They kept the skull as a photo of the olden days. We are talking about Mimir here. The son would remember and activate ancestral memory through the skull of the father, remembering past lives and beyond. At least it would help him to lift the amnesia of the new life, as gold does.
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 You know, one thing I never got, is the Turks in the prose edda? Like I understand the interpretation of putting Troy as some distant ancestors (just like Rome making the Scandinavian and Roman nations into brothers). However the Turks of Turkland are just random. Is this the aforementioned hunnic expansion into the “islands of the ocean” (western Roman ambassador Romulus)? This wasn’t a parody or some aspect to enhance their culture, it’s just random. Some scholars are also puzzled at this view. I can list some sources if u want?
@@saratmodugu2721 Turkic isn't Turkish, Attila was Turkic as are Bulgars, Alan's and numerous others, also related to Scythia in cases. Proof wise it goes to Bactria and Tocharian mummies even where these splintered groups would migrate back around and be mixed in some cases.
Also I find it interesting Tengri uses Runes so they had a joined culture that far at one point that persisted. Their beliefs are also similar enough like in Conan. Alan's had bow and storm rites as well as the nailing of swords in stones or hills which is also in Sarmatians out of Scythia.
Sarmatians and Alans seem to have had Chinese mercenary connections leading to the dragon banner of China being used in Roman Draconarius, cavalry, often Sarmatian who seem to have been sent to England and helped beget the Pendragon name and lore. Pendant-dragon. Its a mix as far as stories go, but there is depth on it. Wyverns also come from Turkic, Kyrgyzstan origin, in Bulgaria and among Avars, so on. Turkic if I'm not mistaken is related to Uralic which then neighbors Finns or so. May be Ughyric, spelling that one always gets me, but Huns were integral in the Nibelung and Volunsaga even if the facts don't align fully. Rome also mattered a lot but it's tricky eith the names without being well studied in the fields. Tolkien worked on it and it is getting near a century since someone as big of a name dug into it all.
Turkey itself was invaded but Huns, Goths, Celts centuries before and obviously Romans, with Snorri drawing on Epics it seems, many do that, it's a bit rough you basically have the Eddas, Vedas and Greco-Roman Epics and fee other classical resources trying to comprehend long spans of history often centuries after the events. Accounts and propaganda, plus intrigue, like Attila's own death, we know how he died but was it from revenge-romping or poison? Bards/Skalds took some poetic liberties but they may also have had the scoop, or as with today politics is trenched in deceit and cover stories.
Its like even discussing some sources, they are hard to find digitally or in print, or go by booms on opinions on them. Like most copies of Beowulf I find just have the Grendel segment not the whole story.
@@jairoukagiri2488 you seem to have gotten confused, Turkland means Turkestan as in scythians as Turkey was called anitolia or Rome as it was inhabited by the Rum sultanate and the Roman Empire (Byzantium). But either way, the Huns dominanted the pre-Vikings somehow
Fascinating. This is actually an idea that resonates in all systems of belief. Christianity is one of the most recent and we'll documented examples of a man being elevated to God status, and of course roman emperors from Augustis onwards were elevated to divine status on Death, and Vedic religions do the same. Exceptional human beings - sages, prophets etc were very soon after their death raised to be gods. One of the claims of Islam, by example, is that every community in the world, from the beginning of 'human' history has been sent a Messenger, or Prophet from the One Creator God, and that all religions in their original form had almost identical teachings of ethics and rituals. As time passes and religions deviate from their original teachings, local customs and cultures add and mix, and priests add stories and myths, these elite men (Messengers/Prophets) are given divine status. Perhaps Odin was a Prophet of the original Norse religion.
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ACCORDING TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND of the YNGLING SAGA, Odin came from Turkey (area) to Sweden (area) and founded Swedes, Danes, and Norwegians. ANY COMMENTS?
" .. deep .. drawn out .. sigh .. " I met Irish that can trace their line all the way back to Noah.
Early Christian historians were a bit too wrapped up in early Greek myths regarding Troy.
Other than the current academic historians claim human migration coming out of East Africa and up around the Black sea by means of the Caucus mountains. Spain and Sicily was settle by West Africans, it is only a eight mile swim or raft ride at the nearest points where Africa & Spain meet.
Actually Turkland refers to Scythia or the steppe. Turkey is called Anatolia or land of the Greeks as it was under the Byzantine Romans and the Roman Seljuks.
You know, one thing I never got, is the Turks in the prose edda? Like I understand the interpretation of putting Troy as some distant ancestors (just like Rome making the Scandinavian and Roman nations into brothers). However the Turks of Turkland are just random. Is this the aforementioned hunnic expansion into the “islands of the ocean” (western Roman ambassador Romulus)? This wasn’t a parody or some aspect to enhance their culture, it’s just random.
I should mention that Turkland (not Turkey as it was called Turkey or land or the Greeks under the Byzantines and Seljuks of RUM (ROME) was ruled at the time was the kipchak-Cuman confederation from Mongolia (prior to the mongols) living a Comanche like lifestyle from Bulgaria to the altai mountains and taking tribute from the Rus princes and Volga Bulgars.
So was Odin mixed with the leader of the hunnic conquest north, Uldin? Maybe?
I mean, if the gods are spiritual energies found in the Universe, and all living things are also energies then we are all "descendants" of the gods and all connected. And we are also the gods, the trees, the Universal energy that began with The Big Bang, including the energy that sparked it.
that is, if you believe in some nonsense wu wu like the big bang.
If you do a web search of "Armenian gods," the pantheon of the ancient Armenians, which isn't far from Ukraine or ancient Troy lists "Tir" spelled with an i instead of a y as a god of wisdom as opposed to a god of law/justice. I suppose a god of wisdom could evolve into a god of law/justice in a sense though. They also have a goddess of war named Nane, which sounds a lot like the name Nanna, Baldur's wife, except Nanna was not war-like at all, but rather devoted, and tender-hearted to Baldur.
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I descend from Odin because I come from La Casa de la Cerda (I really have royal ancestors). Before La Casa de Ivrea, before La Casa de Borgoña. my mythical lineage is supposedly sung in the
Song of the Nibelungs: the Burgundians. Although I look
Mediterranean I have a lot of blond relatives. However, I do not deny my other
roots, the Galician. I like your channel. Maybe Woden was an ancient shaman, or maybe the gods really exist; I don't know, the truth is that the runes work for me
Well you might be more Mongolian than you think
You know, one thing I never got, is the Turks in the prose edda? Like I understand the interpretation of putting Troy as some distant ancestors (just like Rome making the Scandinavian and Roman nations into brothers). However the Turks of Turkland are just random. Is this the aforementioned hunnic expansion into the “islands of the ocean” (western Roman ambassador Romulus)? This wasn’t a parody or some aspect to enhance their culture, it’s just random.
I should mention that Turkland (not Turkey as it was called Turkey or land or the Greeks under the Byzantines and Seljuks of RUM (ROME) was ruled at the time was the kipchak-Cuman confederation from Mongolia (prior to the mongols) living a Comanche like lifestyle from Bulgaria to the altai mountains and taking tribute from the Rus princes and Volga Bulgars.
So was Odin mixed with the leader of the hunnic conquest north, Uldin? Maybe?
@@saratmodugu2721 Those were the Huns, not the Turks
Attila, and later Genghis Khan
The Turks are the relatives of the Khazars, who call themselves Jews
@@voluptuosidadeslapalabra yes but turk became an anachronism like the Magyars even though they never identified with the Turks. After all, centuries had past. Besides anachronisms happen all the time by disparate cultures hundreds of mile apart. They are also the only steppe people to actually reach Scandinavia from Turkland!
What's your thoughts on the theory that the Asir, the old British / Celtic? gods as well as the Greek and Roman gods, was basically the same and that that line of faith originated from, I believe it was India.
Never mind. You touched on it in the fully explained video.
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Bro! You got music too? Nice!
You remind me of the actor that played Ubba in Vikings, especially around the eyes cheek bones and brow.
For a while I've been mulling over the hypothesis that part of the soul may become absorbed into the gods. As life continues, the people and places the ghost knew in its life pass away and the personality gradually disassociates until the only thing left is an energy roughly corresponding to one of the gods. I don't know if it has any precedence or holds any weight, but it's presented itself to me on multiple occasions while hiking.
I have two topics I'd be interested in seeing you cover in videos: Are all polytheistic belief systems rightfully considered Pagan, and what does the god Rig represent?
The God Freyr is in my family records.
another good video, I subed not too long ago and am liking the channel more as I watch more vids
Given the possibility for Odin to have come from the Cauc/Ukraine Region...would it then make it possible that the Rus didn't migrate from Scandinavia, but instead was the other way around? This might help explain why "Norse" culture seemed to "spring" out of no-where "fully formed"?
Love your videos man as a Dane we should all know are History of Our ancestors
I'm of the belief our ancestors are from the 4th and 5th dimension who lived with us at one point, there the plaidians and Nords, and then something happened and they departed from earth, all the very best.
Ahh Håtuna, just a few km from here, crazy amount of runestones in these parts.
My family tree lists Balder Odinsson and his wife Nanna as my first registered ancestors. From there my ancestors are royalty all over that area.
Well you covered all the best thought out theories but I have one concept that was not covered and that is that all or several of these have been correct at different times. Later kings definitely used the Odin was my ancestor spiel to gain validation but its possible they had a spiritual leader as an ancestor as well. Its also possible that fury and possession are part of the process of being created or born, a particularly strong life force within the individual is referred to as Odin and this was a way of telling who was right to be king, who was born with the vigor and fury.
I feel these ideas are more peripheral, I tried to think outside the concepts you laid out in the video but I think you nailed the more likely ones.
Yes its a possibility that not one but all of them are a bit true.
I just wanna pet that beautiful beard *swooning intensifies*
I have several branches on my family tree that go back to Odin or Woden. I don't know if the lines of kings that claimed descent from Odinn believed that literally, or thought of this as some sort of metaphor. If there is an initial human basis for the Aesir and the Vanir, it may be lost in pre-history, earlier than most people would think. Odinn and his brothers show up when the Earth has had some kind of catastrophe, meet Ask and Embla, and transform them from forest dwellers, living in nature, to humans living in an early civilization. Our creation myth could refer to the end of the last ice age, where aurochs were key to survival. Ash and Elm would not have been literal trees, but people who lived like animals in that harsh environment. Odinn and his brothers might have been people who had advanced knowledge and spread that around the North. I think that a lot of Europeans rode out the last ice age in Anatolia (I am not saying that Europeans are descended from Turks - the Turks arrived in Anatolia from China, many thousand years later). It is possible that the Aesir "jump-started" human society in the North. This would mean that the Jotuns are probably Neanderthals. The other historical time period that this might work in would be around 6,000 years ago, when there was a major catastrophic event that affected most of the world - this is the event that seems to be the basis for the Noah story in Mesopotamia, and the flooding/sinking of the historical version of Atlantis that Plato wrote about, somewhere on a coastal lowland near the Mediterranean. It is very likely that some people rode out that event better than others, and then they, or their descendants became dominant because they still were using the tools, weapons, agriculture and other knowledge from before the catastrophe, whilst most other people had reverted to "cave man" technology. European pagans think in terms of cycles, destruction, rebirth and new cycles. This aligns with the idea of a few people riding out a catastrophe successfully and then rebuilding the world. Odinn therefore becomes the embodiment of the inspired Europeans who seek out wisdom and knowledge, take great risks, and make great sacrifices, so that our people can continue to exist. We may have to shelter under the roots of the world tree again, soon, as this age has clearly degraded into decadence and dysfunction. The Alfather made plans, and prepared his son Vidar for the challenge. How about you? Are you ready?
I'll go ahead and skip going to church today and just watch your video instead.
Don’t forget Voltan & the genetic links we’ve proved between South Americans & the Northern Europeans
I don't know about Odin, but my ancestors are from Norway
I'm sure a lot of it simply has to do with reputation as well. I mean if you're a king whos is "descended from Odin" thats a very powerful thing to claim. Or if you're a warrior and claim to be a descendant of Tyr the same can be said. It's something to rally behind and almost a thing of "I/we've got this because my ancestor Odin or Tyr is with us."
cool vid, dude! either way you look at it, organized religion has slaughtered more people than the last cataclysm (almost). i do not think the Aesir were dieties though.
The Aesir were as much deities as the Olympians were.
@ Norse Magic and beliefs . Im from the german speaking Part of Switzerland, whitch came from the Tribe the Helvetier or Helvetics ,whats descript as a celtic tribe. im find that strange because all tribes around where as as far that i know(what is not much) germanic . if you know something youre willing to share with us i wouldt be happy as fu.. n thanks for your good videos and content , thanks and greetings from switzerland
We all possess divine Energy/souls it's just most of us dont know it
That was the most humble and inclusive way to promote religion. Well said.
Our sacred Norse royal ancestry is like the lovely Egyptian royal legacy called Pharaoh there were myths made about our ancestry.
all the the native european gods are deified bronze age kings, warriors, and other men of high standing. It's something that becomes obvious when you think about the fact that those religions were very focused on ancestor worship, for example in ancient greece you couldn't really sell your land because you'd have to sell the ancestral shrine with it.
I was confused because I was doing my ancestry and was able to trace my lineage to kari(wind) whose grandpa was apparently Odin or Freyr
Just recently traced mine back to Kari, too 🙂🌬 and Fornjót
Tracing your family back to Rollo of Normandy makes this freaky.
I read a brilliant book called Lost Christianities, by Bart D. Ehrman, which described many of the very diverse Christian sects that arose in the first few hundred years after Jesus (Yeshua) of Nazareth died. One of the major points of contention among these sects was whether Jesus was human or an actual god; one of the major theories was that he was born human but infused with the divinity of a/the actual, metaphysical God - very similar to the fourth theory raised in this video.