Ultimate Commodore Amiga Emulator Build with Raspberry Pi 4, Kipper 2K Keyboard & A1200.net Case
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2021
- Bill shows how he put together his Raspberry Pi Amiga emulator using a Raspberry Pi 4 Model B, Amiga 1200 case from A1200.net, Kipper 2K keyboard from Amiga on the Lake, and some snazzy LED lights. Links to all the parts are below
00:26 - Intro
00:53 - The Parts
01:37 - Assembly
02:59 - Connections
03:46 - Booting
04:41 - Conclusion
MUSIC
Biomechanoid by:
Groo/The Black Robes
Crystal Orbit by:
Author Unknown
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LINKS
CanaKit Raspberry Pi 4 Basic Kit (8GB RAM)
www.amazon.com/dp/B08DJ9MLHV/...
A1200net Cases
mailchi.mp/a1200.net/newa1200...
Kipper2K/Amiga on the Lake Keyboard
amigaonthelake.com
USB LED Lights
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...
Monster Joysticks 9-Pin to USB Adapter
monsterjoysticks.com/9-pin-jo...
USB Extension Cable
www.amazon.com/dp/B088GRKZ63/...
Micro HDMI to HDMI Adapter Cable
www.amazon.com/dp/B08PNW4W3V/...
Sabrent USB Hub
www.amazon.com/dp/B00N38TQJC/...
Keyrah V2 (Not used in the video)
wiki.icomp.de/wiki/Keyrah_V2
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Shows how far we've come technologically: A mini PCB about the size of a deck of cards has more power than the most powerful (and most expensive) real Amiga from the past. And it costs far less too! I'll bet there's a way to attach an Amiga compatible floppy drive to that PI as well, just in case! Nice build, Bill.
It is really amazing how far we have come. I would LOVE to be able to attach a floppy drive to it. I know someone just made an adapter for the MiSTer. It would be grand if someone does this for the Pi as well
@@TheGuruMeditation The Raspberry Pi Foundation (the ones who made the PI of course) just recently came out with "Pico" which is an Arduino-type of micro-controller (for only about $4!). I'll bet one could be used to interface with either an actual Amiga floppy drive (preferable but maybe harder to find) or a newer floppy drive that allows full and precise control of the drive head to read and write Amiga floppies. Of course even PC-compatible floppies are starting to become scarce so who knows? I wish I had the know-how to do something like that!
Having a case and keyboard is understandable, but if you're using emulator the floppy drive is a waste of time. It's far more convenient to use adfs or whdload games from hard drive. Keep your original games on a shelf and don't waste your time for an obsolete medium. For many years people were modding their Amigas to make it most comfortable to use as possible. We were using floppies, because they were cheap and easy to copy, but they were a nuisance. Emulator is designed to run the good old stuff without all the flaws of old computers and consoles, so if you decided to emulate them just make use of it's best features.
Thank you for posting this, I’ve wanted to do a Pi build in an original case+keyboard for a while and this is exactly what I’ve been looking for 🙏
My pleasure! The tricky part is that the keyboards are difficult to get. Hopefully they keep making more because they did a great job with them
That build is awesome Bill! 👍
Sweet build Bill. Knocking it out of the park again.
Thanks my man! Miss you. Let's play Division or Amiga Live soon!
It looks like an Amiga from an alternate time line. It's amazing.
Ha ha, right? TronMiga ;-)
Great build ! That emulation speed is quite impressive too!
Thanks Bwack! Yeah I am really going to dial in the speed. It looks like there is an Amiberry update available
This Is definitively my next DIY project!
Cool! Have fun with it!
Great job Bill! 👍🕹️
Thanks so much Mr. & Mrs. Fratic! And of course Puppy Fractic too!
@@TheGuruMeditation 🐶
Well, that's a nifty and snazzy Amiga.
Way to go Bill.
Thanks Alex!
Such a nice setup!
Thanks Mauro!
I think every Amiga is an Amiga. Both real and emulated ones. And the Pi can become our best ally.
Thank you for this video, certainly something to tryout.
Nice. How about putting a small USB hub inside the case? There is a lot of space left. Then use those USB extenders, with one normal USB plug on one end, and a socket on the other side, which can be surface mounted. This way you'll get 3-4 usb ports on the back of the case and can populate them with devices...
Hey that is a great idea Peter. I never thought of that. Thank you!
Finally the ultimate Amiga Emulation guide. The first real Amiga Maxi😎
That keyboard and case is going to be a winner, bet they cannot produce enough to them.
Very nice Bill!
Thanks Michael!
Very nice video! Oh, the second music you're playing is from the PC Demo "Crystal Dreams II by Triton". Composed by Vogue :P
This is awesome..need to do something like this!
It is a really fun build. I am very thankful to have it!
so great mate! Thx for all the explanation, in every detail ;)
Probably I'll buy the Raspberry pi400 ;)
See you for next video Bill!
Thanks Giro!
Way cool!! I have a raspberry pi 3b used for Amiga emulation - in a small 3D printed box
Something like this would be awesome
Oh nice! The 3d printed cases are great too. I am just lucky to have this news A1200 case. But I have seen some awesome 3D printed options
Rad! We are now twinsies with a nice transparent rPi emu
Oh hell yeah! My brother from another!
Great video and info👍
Thanks! I was concerned there wasn't enough info because I just show the parts I used and not the emulator itself, so your comment really means a lot to me.
Ace job Bill!
Thank you Graham!
So cool ! Thanks for sharing
Cheers. Thanks Carlos!
Good job bro!
Thanks a lot!
Thanks Bill
No, THANK YOU Stuart! I love the case man!
Never had an Amiga, I was a 286 kid: but super cool project, I want to make something like this pending I can find descent Shells to repurpose.
Well Done!
New Sub; Dryden, Mich.
Excellent
I got a Pi400 recently, cant wait for Amikit, having a blast with Pimiga, emulation is only going to get better too! Plus now there projects that use the Pi as Accelerator or GPU for your classic Amiga's. Its really made me wish AmigaOS4 could be ported over to Arm now.
I am looking forward to AmiKit as well
Excelente canal y les agradezco mucho por sus tutoriales gracias a ustedes pude emular amiga en mi celular tienen mi like y mi suscripción saludos desde México!
Thank you so much for this kind note. I am glad you find the channel helpful!
Thanks for the nice vídeo! I'm using a recently purchased Pi 400 with pimiga and it's hard to believe you can have a 1080 workbench desktop!
My pleasure! Yes that 1080p Workbench is wild!
Wow this is great! :D This would be cool running PiMiga 1.5.
Oh yeah, totally. I have a MicroSD with it installed. I can easily swap PiMiga 1.5 with my classic build. Fun stuff!
@@TheGuruMeditation Being able to switch between micro SDs is brilliant. There are plenty of software options. The Pi stuff is fun and a great learning experience.
Isn't this like what the creators of the new c64 are going to release this year ?.
An Amiga case with a raspberry pie inside. I just hope its cool and cheap. :)
I don't know the details of "The Amiga" but I anticipate it will be something like this.
I really love this concept. Because although i would love, to own an original Amiga, 500, 1200 or preferably an Amiga 4000. They cost an absolute fortune on Ebay today.
True! And this is faster than an 060!
Cool!
Thanks Paulo!
It is sooooo hard to get a keyboard 😔 Thanks Bill for the video. Greetings from Mexico
I know! But hopefully that will change soon. There are new ones coming out very soon. I will make a video as soon as I get one
Would be interesting to put this in a head to head with the Mister Amiga Cores.
The PI setup would win in speed and peripherals emulated but the MiSTer would win in input lag by far (same as original hardware if connected to a CRT and only 1-2 frames if connected via HDMI)
I would like to do that. I have a MiSTer as well
@@wmcmick Ive not favored the Pi myself over other SBC's. I currently do alot with robotics, and os builds with Arch Linux / uboot and kernel's, im not a fan of ubuntu or non rolling releases in the sbc space. On the Amiga side I used to code in M68k ( Devpac 1.xx to 2.xx ). I owned an A500 kickstart 1.3, A501 expansion, a sampler and the Action Replay MKII ( Datel ).
damn - i love this machine :-)
Me too!
Nice very nice. Hey there is nothing wrong with emulation I have been playing with emulation off and on for years even though I have always had one or more Amiga's in the house since the 1980's. Its wicked cool you have yours in an A1200 case with that Kipper2K keyboard. I have a bunch of Amiga Keyboard and a few cases I could use for that but I also have Amiga Themed cases for the Pi3 and Pi4. I absolutely love the Pi and this weekend I plan on setting up a Pi400 to run Pimiga and run it through its paces but not for me so much but something simple to send my Grandkids that will not take up a lot of space.
Yeah the Pi400 is a really great and easy way to get emulating
@@TheGuruMeditation Ya know I have empty cases with keyboards, A500, A600 and A1200 and I do have a Keyrah so I could set one up in an Amiga case too.
@@stephenbruce8320 Nice! Do one with a Pi and one with a MiSTer
I came across your video, because I also wanted to do a fun case mode for the Pi 4. Sadly Amiga On The Lake doesn't really have the parts available at this time (May 2021), and as the other user states, it sucks how these builds are so annoying to do because of scant product availability and limited runs. The cases aren't so much an issue, as its more the keyboards.
I understand. Getting the keyboards is super difficult. I really hope this changes. This keyboard is fantastic. They did a great job and I hope more people can get it
Very nice! 🕹💾 💯
Thanks bud!
Funny to find this .It is almost the exact setup as mine . But you should have a audio deck on the pi and solder on joystick ports on the gpio and use analog joysticks
I'm working on a case for a RetroPie and the thing that's holding me up is panel-mounting stuff like the HDMI port and the USB ports, dremeling the plastic is so nerve-wracking. I'm using a giant old modem case I found at my job, gonna paint it when I'm done!
Oh nice work Vince. Yeah those panel mounts are tricky. I have seen some great 3D printed solutions though. I was just lazy here an ran 3 cables out the back, but honestly it is not as bad as I thought. It isn't as authentic as panel mounts, but it is very easy and efficient to work with.
looking at this when I just got the pi400 with the same software
The Pi400 is really cool, but this feels like a real Amiga
Brill would love to see a video on how the install went etc and how to put games and demos on it
I will do that
@@TheGuruMeditation brill can't wait bud
I'm attempting a similar project. These keyboards are not available, but A500 keyboards are and so are A500 keyboard to USB adapters. The thing I'm not sure about is whether the 500 keyboard will fit in the 1200 case. We'll see...
OMG!!! This is incredible !!!! Great job! How about tutorial on how to install Amibian 1.5 Ultimate on Raspberry 4?
Thank you! Yes, that tutorial is something I need to do. Especially after making this video
@@TheGuruMeditation Great! Can't wait for that ! :D
@5:26 wow... amiga on the lake is in the same county that my "step daughter in law" lives.... maybe i should go talk to them to see if they can liberate a couple :D
Go 4 it!
Great review! Kipper's keyboard is not bad, but I find KA59 from RastPort slightly better looking and definitely better designed.
Mate how do you fit 3 hours worth of information into just 7 minutes? lol. I "need" that Keyboard in my life! Sounds AMAZING! Even a cheaper membrane version would be nice. Great build. LOVE it!
No you don't need a keyboard 😛you've got your Raspberry pi 400 😂😂
Ha ha thanks! I am so glad you picked up on that. I am trying really hard to optimize the duration of my videos
@@hidden_vault the Pi400 is an awesome option too
@@TheGuruMeditation Yeah the Pi400 is getting PiMiga 1.5 on it tonight assuming the DL has finished after work. But I also want to build a "new" A1200 over time, so those keyboards look amazing.
@@hidden_vault hehe need more things :D
🤩🤩🤩🤩
Amazing setup! Seems the keyboard is the hard part to get? I'll have to play around with my Pi 400 instead with the Pimiga distro, superfun!
Yeah unfortunately the keyboard is really difficult to get. But there are some new options on the horizon that I will make videos about too
There is a rumour about RetroGames (the TheC64 guys) planning a TheA500, if that proves wrong or TheA500 doesn’t have the features I want, I might build such a machine too, if I can get a keyboard.
Amiga Rulez
Agreed! AMIGA4EVER!!!
An UDOO RYZEN Bolt V1000 Maker Board SBC is a Raspberry PI turned up to eleven and would be much better and can execute floating point as well as double and long doubles.
Oh yes i have seen some builds with these. It would be a really nice upgrade here
nice build, bill. i used an old spare parts case/keyboard from off ebay.. and a pi3 with keyrah to complete mine.. but it doesn't look as good as yours..
That is a cool build too. When you use original parts it probably feels even more like an original Amiga. I never had neon colr LED lights in my real Amiga, lol!
@@TheGuruMeditation hey Bill :) yeah it does have that original feel to it.. although a cherry mechanical keyboard would be amazing. I had to sadly do a bit of butchering of the original case for the keyrah and pi to fit, unlike your case which was designed for alternate use.. another thing I haven't sussed out yet is how to get the case LED's to marry up with disk access.. i'm sure there's a script that could be employed to do that, but the whole project sadly got derailed when i got the MiSTer. Next I'm probably going to cannibalize the pi3 from amiga build to create a mt32-pi to plug into my MiSTer (once I can get my hands on the parts needed lol..) it's all good fun. fantastic to see what you did with yours.
I never realized the Amiga has a Help key! I don't think I ever pressed it, wonder what help I would have gotten
Meh, i don't wanna sound negative but until they have the keys available separately for the case's this really is a dream for the select few , it's been too long of a wait...and by the time they do have some already Retro Game's ltd will be releasing an Amiga that does it all anyway.. i can feel your excitement though, congrats on the nice set up.
I totally understand. I wish this stuff was more available. I am lucky I jumped on both the keyboard and the A1200net cases as soon as the campaigns launched. But yeah, that new "The Amiga" or whatever they will call it will be a game changer
Boa tarde, belo trabalho e muito caprichoso. Gostaria de saber qual sistema de amiga para Pi4 voce esta usando? Tenho Pi400 com Piamiga2.0?
Thanks!I have 2 builds. I use Pimiga 3.0 and Amibian. There are lots of good options for the Pi
I have an actual A1200 empty case with working keyboard, and i've been looking for years for a 3d printed solution for non-destructive fit for my Raspi, to do the same like you but with a real case! but nobody created one yet 😥
Meanwhile -> DE10-Nano "Ultimate emulator you say. Hold my beer."
Lol. I love my MiSTer too. One day I should do a showdown video
@@TheGuruMeditation yeah it would be worth while the emulators to have the edge when it comes to features
I guess there’s no point hoping to actually score that kipper2k keyboard, but if I could even find new keycaps for my old a1200 keyboard... missing a few
Honestly it may be difficult to get the Kipper2K Keyboard right now, but it is worth asking Amiga On The Lake. They did day they plan to make more when they fulfill their current orders. The good news is that there seems to be another keyboard coming out very soon. I will make a video when it does and compare them.
Kinda wanna shove an a500 mini board into this idea. Make my own maxi
That would be cool!
Hey Bill! Could you share your Amibian configuration please? I'm having trouble setting up a stable emulation. For example AmigaAMP is freezing my Workbench.
Hey Bill, I recently received my Kipper2K keyboard and noticed that my caps led does not work with connected via USB. Do you recall if yours does the same? Much appreciated!
Any idea what and where to get a new keyboard?
Look up cjk303 pimiga 500 . Similiar idea just using old parts.
Does this support printing functionality from emulated programs?
Definitely wants a CDRW Drive because be honest we all wanted one in the old days (especially with a usb video capture device pretending to be a video toaster) and then music can be made.
Do you guys have the new "Atari VCS console"? If not, is there a way your viewers can get you one? I think Amiga OS needs to be installed on one of those things, and it'd be cool if you guys made a video about it, just like this Pi4 video.
Ironically, I think the Atari VCS would be a great linux games console if they concentrated on the atari (just like amiga) music scene and used midi drum kits and other devices (microphones etc) for psone-music2000 style creation games akin to RockBand-GuitarHero in style.
The amiga "mod file" music scene has has some music remade and remastered. The CPU (expecially of that atari VCS ryzen) would be great for realtime effects (like chorus/flanger and reverb on the vocals).
The Atari Falcon (if rerelased) would have been a great music machine with its FPU.
Neither of us have the new Atari VCS. Honestly I kind of forgot about it, but it looks very interesting. I have always been an Atari fan. I am interested in the Intellivision Amico too.
No Keyrahs! No Kippers anywhere ! so I used an A500 keyboard with Adunino USB converter, got same clear case on Ebay, whole thing was about same price as Kipper keyboard alone
So, if I wanted to use Deluxe Paint II through IV, what would I need?
There are a ton of way to do that. Basically they can be run using any Amiga emulator available today on PC/Mac/Linux/RaspberryPi/MiSTer etc...
For that genuine Amiga experience - stick a tin of sardines in the case, Eventually you'll get the smell of rotten fish wafting out of it.
LOL, that is exactly how I emulate my ST ;-)
@@TheGuruMeditation Great mod Bill. You knew I was teasing. :) Now, if only I could work out what key switches go in an A1000 keyboard.,,,
@@PATTHECATMCD Thanks Pat! I still have a bunch I can do to improve it. It is a fun project. Unfortunately I don't know what keys the A1000 uses but I can find out
Bill, can RPI emulate PPC?
Or, what highest processor it can emulate?
What about Unamiga or MYSTer in A1200 case?
It can emulate PPC via QEMU but it is pretty slow. There may be another way, but I am not sure. If you emulate an 040 with JIT it will be faster than a real 060. UnAmiga will fit in an Amiga 500 case and you can put a MiSTer in this case no problem.
The same for me I use a Raspberry Pi 4 and a Mister DE10 nano. If I want a fast Amiga. Like lots of us my A 1200 has got a ACA 1233n card 40mzh I did fit a 68882 FPU 50 mzh. Ok not a lot use the FPU, when I have a go at 3D I need it. I use Pimiga 1.5 128gb.
We have almost the same setups but I never added an FPU to ny ACA. So many great options
@@TheGuruMeditation I fitted the FPU onto a socket so I can take it out if needed. I also use a vented trap door cover.
@@johnwiesen4440 Oh very nice! Well done
10 thumbs up I am all thumbs LOL
ha ha! Aw, thanks Herb!
Does the Kipper2K keyboard really not have any stabiliser bars? :O
*Edit:* My comments were (probably) not deleted. CZcams has some serious bugs right now, that made it look that way. I apologise for having jumped to conclusions.
It does have one that goes in the center under the F keys. I will show that when I make a video about the keyboard
@@TheGuruMeditation No, I mean the kind of stabilisers you have under the long keys to keep them level.
@@FindecanorNotGmail Oh, like the original Amiga keyboards have. I have to take a closer look under the keys, but they do feel good and are level
I have a Kipper 2k Keyboard and it uses a different way of stabilizing the longer keys. Instead of using the usual metal stabilizing bars like most keyboards, it has 2 stems on either side (distanced) of the key switch. On the keycap it uses the same insertion mold as for the switch, so when the keycap is on the switch either side is basically riding a rail up and down. It doesn't have much play in it so the key doesn't wobble much (certainly no more than my keyboard with a much smaller spacebar)
So far the only complaint I have about the keyboard is the colour of the keys. I ordered black to go with my case but in truth they are charcoal black. I would love to get some actual black keys and mix and match I think it would look awesome.
@@daishi5571 thanks for this explanation. And you are absolutely correct about the color
Would putting a usb floppy drive inside work? That’d be sick!!
Is there a way to connect midi to it?
Hi, what are you using on your pie, I realize you are using the emulator Amiberry but did you just use the raspberry pi OS and then start Amiberry from there? Could you please elaborate a bit here :-) I have a RPI4 also and would like it to boot straight to Amiberry and this seems possible with Amibian but they just haven't released a 1.5 version for the RPI4 yet and anybody who says otherwise, please supply a downloadlink :-)) I have also tried pimiga 1.4 but this seems somewhat buggy.
I am using Amibian 1.5 Extended Edition. It is really great and it does work on a Pi 4 as i am doing here. If you want Amibian 1.5ee email Gunnar and make a donation then he will send it to you. Here is a link: gunkrist79.wixsite.com/amibian/forum/general-discussions/amibian-1-5-extended-edition-for-pi4-1
@@TheGuruMeditation ok, thank you for the link, I will try donating, to get 1.5, great video you have made :-)
@@dempseydiscus Thank you so much Dempsey. I am really happy you enjoyed it!
I found the emulation a little bit sluggish on the Pi, probably due to the fact that the performance depends heavily on the JIT compiler and ARM might be a little weak in that regard. I prefer the MiSTer for that.
I have a MiSTer too and I love it. I feel like the MiSTer is a bit more accurate. But I get way better performance out of the Pi in their current states. To be fair the MiSTer is great for anything but most demanding demos and 3D rendered though. I think my MiSTer clicks in as if it was an 040 around 25mhz
The MiSTer might be slower performance rating-wise, but the speed it does offer it offers without any hiccups. I tried running a heavy workbench install on the Pi 4 and even the mouse was laggy and the movement not very smooth. FPGA is definitely the way for such a system.
@@RainerK. humm I wonder if it is a configuration thing. Even with the totally loaded PiMiga I don't experience those slowdowns. But I totally understand loving the MiSTer and FPGA. It does feel better to me too
@@TheGuruMeditation I was using the Pimiga Lockdown Edition and the mouse felt really sluggish when moving it across the screen, dunno. Even in this video you can see that the mouse movement isn't as smooth as it should be on the Amiga. It's like there is some kind of frame skip.
czcams.com/video/R168xiJfJPE/video.html
@@RainerK. I thought Lockdown Edition had a virus on the Amiga side? It's not going to help. Also, could be slow sd card for the install (that can affect pi performance).
Is there an A1000 case available somewhere?
Unfortunately not
Im intrested in a Swedish layouted keyboard for Amiga 1200
I think A1200NET planned to do that , but I am not sure if it came to fruition
@@TheGuruMeditation they did only Swedish keycaps but couldnt be ordered. Only for backers and they were always sold out or in production.
They came and gone. Sadly.
unfortunately cant find the kipper2k keyboards anymore : (
Pi's easy to get ...little did you know.
well, i guess i'm just gonna stick to Raspberry 400 since i'm not in the mood of paying for shipping, dealing with stuff
And besides, it does the job as an Amiga
Seems like the keyboard is sold out, is there any news on if this is going to be back in stock anywhere? I missed this video by about a week and now the keyboard is gone! :(
There should be a new company making one soon. I have it on order. So stay tuned. I will make a video as soon as i get it.. Also this keyboard will hopefully be made again. Fingers crossed
@@TheGuruMeditation Any idea which new company will be making one soon? Love your channel! Keep up the good work! :D
@@AdamLemmo Thank you so much! Yes. Rastport.com. I have one on order. He is just figuring out the best place to have it manufactured. However I don't think it will have the USB option. But I am not sure
0:59 and this is end of build
$120 for the case and $199 for the keyboard. I'll go with a Raspberry Pi 400.
The Raspberry Pi 400 is a great option
Benchmarks pls!
Yeah I should have done it. I actually haven't done it myself yet. But I will do anyone about the emulator itself
@@TheGuruMeditation With a silent quality fan you might even do some overclocking 😃
@@Breakfast_of_Champions oh yeah that would be din. I also wonder if running Amiberry natively will be faster. But I like the Amibian front end a lot
An Amiga 1200 is under 500$ US, I don't understand spending nearly 4-500$ to get a janky plastic print and keyboard when you can just hook a USB keyboard up to the RPi? Hell you can put an RPi into a real Amiga case for less money. Or get the A500 mini which is arguably more authentic with mouse and controller? I just don't get it. You're not even using a VGA hat or anything. If you're just doing HDMI why does having an arguably not authentic keyboard and not authentic shell matter for $400 a pop just for those? Tossing money out the window.
$259 for a keyboard? $120 for $5 worth of plastic parts? Are they crazy or just rip off artists?
I just bought an Amiga 500 for $150. Will keep the case and keyboard, and sell the rest to recoup some of the cost back.
traitor ;-)
LOL I need something to hold me over until my Warp 1260 comes!
Sorry Bill but this is not a Amiga! have no Soul ! A Amiga Emulation is a Crime xD
The price of that keyboard is insane though.