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'I felt shame with the new rules of judo' - Satoshi Ishii
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- čas přidán 3. 12. 2023
- This video is an interview with Olympic champion Satoshi Ishii, discussing judo, MMA, and Budo.
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Chadi… strictly speaking for self defence… would you consider any type of wrestling without Gi more valuable than Judo with Gi? I mean things like no-Gi submission grappling (aka BJJ no gi), catch wrestling, or No-Gi judo more valuable for self defence? I think in a way comes down to all the arsenal of leg grabs plus techniques that work with or without clothing compared to techniques that require a “handle”.
If you listened well to Satoshi you should have heard that the term "judo" doesn't matter.
He means grappling in general.
Chadi pourquoi mettez vous les titres en français alors que tout le reste est en anglais ?
Ich bin nicht Chadi. Allerdings sind die Titel in der Sprache des jeweiligen Netzes.
He's spot on. Original Judo was a complete combat system. It was basically MMA with Dogi. The current rules have made it watered down almost beyond recognition.
I think the only way to save Judo is to have other organizations with different rule sets, as with bjj. They don't have to be big events in the beginning. When they attract a lot of Judokas, they will automatically be internationally recognized.
@@Reflectionmaterial I am not expert in Judo. That will be upto the Judokas who are very unhappy with the current rulset. For example , they want leg techniques back. Maybe they can come up with a safe way of doing leg grabs. Another example would be an extended time for ground fighting rather than stopping the fight as soon as they hit the ground. As I said, this will be a task for the Judokas.
@@pastlast158 I can tell you as someone who was in judo for a long time (and still am to a small degree) that the biggest problem I notice is they constantly change the rules and there are too many ways to be penalized.
@@hhattonaom9729 That is true as well. My understanding from the unhappy Judokas is that the current powerful organization keeps cutting Judo to smaller and smaller piece. Other organizations should be formed to take the monopoly away from the current institution and provide more diversity to Judo rule sets. Then, it will be upto the Judokas which event they would want to participate. Take the different bjj events as an example. IBJJF, Quintet, Polaris, CJJ, etc.
@@Reflectionmaterial Let refs penalize stalling. If you trust refs to know whether something was a failed attack or a false attack, then you can trust them to judge whether a leg grab is an honest attempt at an attack or just stalling
Others do exist... They've just failed to get big. Most judo is IJF and associated NGBs so it's hard to be popular with other rulesets unless the NGB doesn't follow IJF rules.
It’s crazy to think this guy was just crushing it in K1. Dude has some good striking for a Judoka.
He's not a judoka first, he's a martial artist first :) .
@@asengeorgiev7848 preach brother! You’re right!
Another great video. Thanks so much for sharing this with all of us.
It was great to hear what Ishii had to say, very respectful but very straight forward and direct.
Good for him for being so outspoken. Japanese society has a harsh cancel culture so he is quite courageous for being so up front about his opinions.
he's Croatian now, so maybe he just doesn't care
I love him, he said everything I want to say about Judo
He is treated like an outlaw in official Japanese judo - like Kimura. Yamashita did not give any comments. Also the thing with Putin is a difficult problem in fighting sports.
Ishii was perfectly clear.He is a true fighter,a true japanese fighter.Japan wins the Olympic games with leg grabbing or without it.
olympics have been bad for judo. just as it was for wrestling, boxing, etc. the modern versions of these "sports" are only simulations of things that were once representative of real things. arbitrary rulesets and scoring systems mean training to win competition is literally ingraining many "bad habits" from the perspective of the actual martial art it is pretending to represent. i dont question whether japan can win the olympics, i only question when they will realize it is a vain and stupid thing to value. olympics are for status, social approval, etc. people who love judo the martial art are still out there im sure, training in obscurity with fellow lovers of the art kano founded, who would not trade the real for an arbitrary simulation, no matter how much the shallow society around them throws money and fame at olympians. another way to put it is that the olympics represent the absolute worst part of modern japan - that being the americanized consumeristic side. the side that stands against everything the various diverse cultural groups of old japan stood for. the old men in western suits, with western values, and western lifestyles.
Have you seen what Olympic has done to TaeKwondo? it killed the hands and now, it has become leg fencing game with players not fighters, wearing tights in the upcoming games......
Ishii broke his neck in 2009 and underwent surgery.
He had another revision surgery 2years ago.
he is true Warrior.
@@andrewstephens8790you’re wrong the rules are for competition you know nothing about martial arts
@@andrewstephens8790I have the same feeling with bjj rulesets, "position over submission" is important, however they forget to apply that in the standing game, you can not neglect that and just sit down, bjj is judo in essence.
I understand why people say bjj is not practical in self defense. Which is not true, most fights end in the ground, but is a last chance situation, you don't want to go to a last chance situation from the beginning. Ideally you want to win with a judo standing throw, so you ready to run if you need. Correct mindset is:
Standing position>throws>ground position>submission
Great interview Chadi. . .I look forward to every video you create.
Banning leg grabs resulted in many Judoka not even learning effective throws anymore such as Te Garuma. . .once very important throw taught to military and police to take down, capture & control, a prisoner.
Very good interview! Congratulation and hugs from Brazil! Oss!👏👊🇧🇷
Très bon boulot, Chadi. Merci beaucoup pour l'entretien.
Quand je faisait du judo étant enfant ( en France ), on attrapait les jambes librement. J'ai toujours gardé cet esprit, et maintenant ça me fait mal de voir ça interdit ( même à l'entraînement, alors que personne n'ira faire de la compétition aux jeux olympiques ! ).
Si ta croisade pouvait porter ses fruits, j'en serais le premier ravi.
Matthieu
Effectivement, seuls devraient être interdits les mouvements dangereux.
Yeah he probably didn't let you Record it because He probably has shown the technique in bjj fanatics And wants people to buy his Instructionals
I have some of his technique vids from fanatics. Good stuff!
Everyone else in the seminar has to pay.
@@Mustard_Dispenser I've attended literally dozens of seminars and one one instructor ever said no recording. But I get it.
I mean fair enough, guy has to make a living.
And I fully understand that, it's only right.
Satoshi Ishii is a great inspiration.
Chadi this is why I enjoy your video lectures and interviews. They are always insightful. And the gentleman who was your guest is no exception. Once again thank you for producing another great video interview.
石井さんは綺麗事や建前が嫌いなのでしょう。正直である事や公平である事が大切であるということを知っているのでしょう。これこそが武道の精神の一部だと思う。しかしながら、今の日本は組織の上に行けば行くほど権威主義で忖度だらけで腐り切っている。これでは石井さんの様な人は海外に出てしまうだろう。もちろん海外でも腐敗はあるだろうけれど。
ただ、最近の日本の柔道界は変わろうとしている様に感じる。ドンマイ川端さんの様な活動を認めているというのは、従来の柔道界には無かったと思う。
even the fly was showing respect
Well done Chadi. Great job getting chat with Ishii.
One of the most underrated Olympic Champs ever
Excellent interview. Excellent Judoka.
Great stuff Chadi. You should post more training and seminar footage!
Great interview, thank you for sharing.
Sensei Satoshi-san ... you're so right about the president of IJF !! He's only focus on money ... as you said (5:25) and indeed he doesn't know the true judo ... and he's name is Marius Vizer ! I wonder how & why the Japanese Judo Federation accept him as a leader ?? Hats off for your courage to speak the true about the new rules in judo !! Good video Chadi !!
Wow Amazing interview. He is also a real special Japanese Judo Master because he spends a lot of time outside Japan and speaks really good English.
Another great video. I found his comment about the IJF leader not being a Judoka very interesting. Since back in the mid 80's the IJF took over ruling authority from the Kodokan for similar reasons. Their argument being, Kano's son (or grandson?) was in charge of the Kodokan, but wasn't a Judoka. Even though he respected Jigoro Kano's vision for Judo much more than the IJF.
It caused a split in Japanese Judo which many of the top Japanese Judoka didn't participate in the 86 Asian Games. The Japanese didn't win as many medals as usual.
I never knew about Kano's concerns that politics would effect Judo if it was in the Olympics. He was absolutely right. If you look at all of the restrictive rules, you can find political motivations at their root.
But if Judo didn't go to the Olympics it would be practically dead.
@@ricardokerscherActually Judo was quite popular as self defense in the 50's and 60's before it was in the Olympics.
While I agree that the Olympics certainly brought a lot more people into the Judo community: I disagree that Judo would be nearly dead. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing doesn't matter. It is what it is.
But with the popularity of international competition comes the politics of international competition. As a result, the practicality and self defense aspects of Judo have suffered because of that politics.
MMA is NOT an Olympic Sport and it’s the fastest growing right now more than any Olympic Sports combined
The sportivization of Judo was necessary for it to reach the size it has and to influence basically all other styles of martial arts.
It's obvious that we made a mistake in only considering Judo as a sport, which wasn't even Jigoro Kano's objective, but without it becoming an Olympic sport, Judo would basically be like aikido, or something similar. Some dojo scattered around. @@jackfisher1921
Great interview. Thank you. Great title says it all. I too felt that judo was emasculated when even touching the leg of the opponent resulted in a penalty. I feel just is only half a sport now.
Interview au top! Une légende! Et les questions étaient judicieuses.
Je n'ai plus pratiqué le judo depuis plus de 20 ans, mais le judo m'intéresse toujours, comme tout les sports de combat et leur application, leur usage en situation réelle ou en MMA. Alors l'avis d'une légende pareille ayant fait la transition du Judo au MMA, forcément je trouve ça enrichissant.
Je comprends sa volonté de ne pas vouloir filmer le stage, mais j'aurais adoré voir ça. Le Judo traditionnel, en tant que sport m'intéresse, mais son application en situation réelle m'intéresse bien plus encore.
本当、石井が言ってることは正しいわ。足つかみを禁止したらもう武道では無いよなぁ。極めて非実践的。今まであった技術が失われるのも悲しい。
Can someone break down (or recommend a video) breaking down a history of the various judo rule changes, and how each one impacted the sport, as well as the justification for each change?
The justifications are hard to find I guess. It's even hard to find justifications for current rules, maybe you'll find them in some judoka telling the reason they heard from somewhere else or it's told in the hour-/day long seminars which are often held after the Mittersil training camp... well even at those daylong seminars they only present the rules and are pretty short about the justifications, just accept the new rules as set and don't you dare to question them.
For nostalgic reason: do you remember the times when men fought 5 minutes and women 4 minutes, when you could add up infinite numbers of waza-ari or whe 4 waza-ari add up to awasete ippon? (I pretty much liked the 4 waza-ari - rule... show some dominance and more positive scores are possible but finish it after 4 scores because of superiority...)
Thanks for the video. His take on double and single legs is 100% spot on.
Chadi you rassumption that judo would attrackt more people and participants with leg grabs is also absolutely correct. The same also goes for longer ne-waza time. But I think that is precisely the reason why the cut ithese aspects in the first place. They do not want people from other grappling sports to do well in judo. God forbid if someone with a wrestling or bjj background wins a prestigeous judo torunament... Thats the same reason why they make it difficult for judoka to compete in other martial arts. They want to build a wall around judo and if they have to ban 50% of the techiques and take the athletes hostage, then so be it.
27歳から50歳まで柔道を続けてきましたが、やめました。大きな理由の一つは両足タックルが禁止になったからです。乱取りで倒してもケチをつけてくる人がでてきたのです。相手を倒す競技なのに足を手で刈ってはいけないという規則は全く理にかないません。
近年では柔道ではなく柔術の人気が出てきたのも、柔術が技を広く認めていることに要因があるように思われます。
現在私はMMAのジムに通い４年が経ちました。競技を変えてよかったと思っています。
This is beyond fantastic
is judo more akin to greco-romanian style wrestling than a regular, freestyle one, because of leg grabs missing?
Very insightful 👏
we had the kids class doing leg grabs this week, crazy how different judo is with them, feels like a 3d sport instead of a 2d sport
If he ever wanted to cross over into the world of pro wrestling, he could always run an angle as the son of NJPW's Tomohiro Ishii. THAT is who i was searching about when i found this and assumed it was from when he was younger.
Thank you very much!
Ishi is an honest man
Unfortunately Ishii is another case of elite judoka that not migrated well into MMA and Grappling. He wasn't dominant in those sports like he was in his primary martial art. But I appreciate him even more because he is always testing himself in other martial arts, he is not in his comfort zone. Really nice to see him doing really well in K1.
in reality, very few Olympic judoka have emigrated to MMA
Judo sport and Judo martial art are different things, just as MMA is NOT a martial art but a sport...
Not you again
are you crying? @@MrSpiralling
@@ricardokerscher no not you
I've been saying this for 15 years theres judo Martial art and sport judo i hate the new rules for the sport
I’d love to chat with you about my thoughts on modern judo 👀
is their a critical mass that could create a new group of Judo returning to the original rule set? I know the history is with the IJF and so is the olympic games but, wouldn’t it be worth the effort, to have what you want as a competitive martial art?
What a respectful master! . A true master! I like the fact he doesn't want to divulgate everithing tò everyone
Been following his career sense Dream fights.👍👍
shame is the right word!
All sport organizations become politics and people with money and don't know the martial art lead it into watering it down and making it stupid for pop culture. Taekwondo went the way of Judo and so is Karate.
MMA is the ultimate test of your martial arts trainung
I don't think so, because I suppose in some martial arts you can hit eyes, testicles, as well as in real life use your teeth in close combat, etc. Or you can hit withouth gloves, which can make a real difference in karate as far as I know. So I imagine it's a good test, but not the ultimate one.
@@Vaitamanu the minor provisions you have make to adust mma to streetfighting is minimal
Dude, you should have asked him why was there so little judo going on when he fought Yoshida in MMA
Kendo is the most popular traditional martial art in Japan (Kyudo, famous by Eugen Herrigel and Zen, is even more traditional).
However the Koreans and Japanese are also strong in Western Bow and Arrow which is very different and has nothing to do with the tradition of Kyudo, maybe with Kyujitsu). Aikido is famous not only because of Seagal (it is just Zen).
Hollywood made Budo magic but also fake. And Hongkong and Japan has also movie dojos.
Here in social media there is a strong comunuty that believes too much.
Gene LeBell and Bruce Lee are motivations. Schwarzenegger and Stallone are known for their impact in all sports.
石井はすごい
I agree Ishi about problem of changing rules, but Regarding with “education “ I don’t think so, before Ishi’s generation already haven’t paid attention to 精力善用 自他共栄. Judo is just one kind of combat sports .
THIS IS SO IMPORTANT, Ishii help change it! Come on people, get together and change this BS
Chadi this is unrealted to this topic but I was watching some of your older episodes of Kito Ryu and felt compelled to asked what style of Jujutsu were you taught-- Generally is Kawaishi's Jujutsu/Judo mandatory to be learnt with Judo in France (once again Generally speaking)
It would have been interesting to know if in his time judo was stronger or worse than in the golden era of Yamashita.
The question is if Ishii and Yamashita had been direct opponents and both in their peak could Ishii have had a chance to beat or Yamashita or would he have lost as all the lighter judo champs of Yamashita's time (Rouge, Lorenz, Parisi)?
Every generation of athletes is stronger than the previous, thats unquestionable in most sports, especially in Judo. Only argument is regarding rulesets.
@@thomass.4007I wouldn't say that this generation of boxers Fury, Wilder, Joshua.. is superior to the Mike Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis era. Even the generation before with tje likes of Ali, Frazier, Foreman era is much better than the present day boxers. The golden era of muay thai best this era by far. Present day athletes may benefit from better training regimen overall, better diet, better staff but they are mostly softer and less hungry.
@@thomass.4007Perhaps, but the rules of sports also often drastically change over time. Judo from 30 years ago was a different sport.
Ok. This is speculation for these silly simulations where Bruce Lee fights Muhammad Ali etc.
But if Satoshi is suddenly so good in form that he wins even in professional (kick-) boxing, why isn't there the possibility to see I'm fighting according to present judo rules (or those of 2008) against Teddy Riner, who seems to face his final curtain?
Geesink and Ruska just made show fights in pro wrestling and Ruska's wife outed these fights under und with Inoki as fakes; (that's why Ruska didn't get his fights against Geesink and André the Giant - mafia!)
The fight Tyson Holyfield came too late. But even after this catastrophe Lewis could make money with Tyson.
@@geminikanon819
A match Ishii vs. Riner would be comparable with that of Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard. Of course the budget will be lower
It is a pity that Gene LeBell is no more under us to make the referee.
石井さんの言う通り日本ではほとんどの人はオリンピックの金メダリストでさえ言えません。
人口も凄く少ないです。
今年は東京グランドスラム2023ありましたが、まずテレビで放送あったが有名じゃないチャンネルだし、ニュースにもあまりなりません。
悲しいです。
All the throws what gave us the founder sensei Jigorro Kano must be returned ,thx bye😊
Thats why I like sumo for not being part of Olympics. Its loses purity.
In fact it has no sens at all to imagine Sumo at the Olympics, it's so Japanese. And you have to live in a heya, etc. But I love Sumo. And about the Olympics, it was a shame Hakuho couldn't appear in Tokyo Olympics ceremonies...
Your own statements were interesting Chadi, especially when you explain that in Japan there is no difference between the dojo and the oustide.
By the way, don't you speak French? I'd like to know your story and background.
It's as simple as this ever combat sport that goes to the Olympics.
Is for the worse.
@Reflectionmaterial bro, you don't understand what I'm saying .
Not to take anything away from him but I remember when Fedor Emelianenko knocked him out in the first round.
Max was here
Start up a new Federation!
Мне тоже
So sad. Such good athletes turn down Judo because of the politics. I personally know of two high ranking judoka ( Both top 30 or high in world ranking ) who left judo because of this.
That's why BJJ should stay out of Olympics
'Pederuša' - CroCop's school.
the IJF DESTROYED judo because they were terrified of wrestlers taking over after the ioc got rid of the original Olympic sport😐
Judo is way bigger than bjj or mma. Why would you want mma athletes in judo????
Judo is bleeding practitioners. Since 2004, the numbers of practitioners plumbed by half in Japan (according to the All Japan Judo Federation). The Americas is pretty much dominated by BJJ and MMA now. So it is better to make Judo interesting for people, or no...
@@aluisiofsjr bij and mma is a sideshow
can you send the video of the seminar privately
He dissed the IJF president. Haha😂
個人的にギーという呼び名に違和感感じちゃいます。やはり道着でしょ。
そうですね
All the rule changes are why I gave up. Every time Japanese start to loose they make the techniques they loose to illegal. Russian grips, leg grabs etc etc. It's going to kill Judo if they keep it up.
Tu es Français?
IJF ruined Judo the martial art for sport and money.
Perhaps, but you can't say IJF president is knowing nothing about Judo, he is a former judoka and judo coach.
@@Vaitamanu I did not say it, so I have no idea why you are replying to me. Also, let's not be be disingenuous and pretend not to understand the point he was making.
@@Darren_Tay I was commenting about the fact he said IJF president was not knowing Judo, but I understand what you said, and you're right, he certainly meant he was not understanding what Judo should be. And I don't like too much IJF either.
@@Vaitamanu Once again, I didn't say that about the IJF president. And, frankly I don't care either. Why are you replying to me on that subject?
@@Darren_Tay Ok, it's my English, which is not my first language, which is not good enough. When I said 'you', it meant "one can't say". And about the fact I replied, I thought IJF and its president were two subjects which were related enough. And I supposed you comment videos accepting the fact it can create interraction with other people. But if you feel annoyed, I beg your pardon.
boycott olympic judo. create a new organization
with no ground game , judo turned gay
Local clubs need to stop following ijf rules. Olympic judo is gay.
why not share technique.thats a douche move
Next to him you look like a minor lol - no hate!