Rebel Moon 2 Discussion And Review
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- čas přidán 23. 04. 2024
- The TJCS crew review and discuss Zack Snyder’s Netflix sci-fi sequel Rebel Moon 2 - Part Two: The Scargiver.
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Blows my mind that Charlie Hunnam doesn't want to do superhero movies, but participated in these movies
The difference is that in a SF movie you get mindreading for example through technology with made up explanations. But if the same happens with mutant powers that is totally unacceptable and "unrealistic".
And the money must have been very good. Not Red Notice level but good enough.
Rebel Moon Part 2 will sweep the Razzies this year
Maybe the only awards itll win too
They might be too ashamed to show it.
It’s gonna be a tight race to the bottom with Madame Web.
@@jaybling6687This film makes Madame Web look like an Oscar film
Madam web is very happy rebel moon exists
Let me guess, he reminds everybody at the start of the video that he loves Zack Snyder except for Sucker Punch
Lmao 😂😂😂
@@RicLaFlairI swear, every time John does a video on Snyder it feels like dejavú
😭😭 word for word called it
@@dcsebastian12 he does this with every topic 😂. Idk how many times I heard him say WandaVision was the best thing marvel has put out since End Game 😂😂
@@dcsebastian12 he definitely has a habit of reiterating his stance pretty much every time certain topics come up.
I’ve never seen a fanbase force themselves to like a movie like Snyder fans do with these movies.
"I’ve never seen a fanbase force themselves to like a movie like Snyder fans do with any Snyder movie."
Fixed that for you.
Its sad to see humans stoop so low to defend trash
Oh trust me, these folks are down bad to the point of desperation. They think this film was gonna revolutionize the science fiction genre when it didnt even budge a needle. Especially when you have other films like Dune Part II, Godzilla x Kong, and the upcoming Furiosa (all three are from his former home studio, Warner Bros) that are likely going to get more beloved and break the mainstream
How does that affect your life???
@@princeofallsayians1551 why my comment affect you?
“A great visual storyteller” yea the part where they went around a table verbally telling their backstories was an insanely good visual
I feel like he should just do picture books.
The exposition dump scene should be taught in screenwriting classes as a guide on how NOT to write your characters. One of the most forced and cliche scenes I have ever seen.
At first I thought it was a joke. I mean who can think that this was a good idea?
You do realize it’s Zach Snyder doing his decomposition of the genre again - maybe he should make it a spoof! I think the Directors cut will probably make more sense a bit like BVS.
@@David-hc4xh So Snyder not being able to write characters in the movies he wrote himself all the time is a "decomposition of the genre"? Sounds better but has nothing to do with the truth.
And the "directors cut will be better" would only be true if it was a whole different movie with a new director.
@@svenm4740 My reading of it is that, his deconstruction is actually poking fun at the genre by use of these tropes. I don’t think he gets the appeal of the superhero or sci fi genre and in his mind he probably thinks he’s exposing the flaws, but there’s no doubting the appeal of those movies when done right and hit the zeitgeist which is antithetical to what he is doing
@@David-hc4xhIf he is not getting the appeal of this kind of movies he should perhaps do a different kind of movies. It does not help that he can't do a positive character to save his live. The Boys? Sure, but someone like Shazam or Spider-Man. Not a chance. Would be edgy as hell.
The Tagline on the poster: "If you have Netflix, it's an option" 😂
I'ma say why we all thinking...Snyder should just be a director of cinematography and leave the directing for a real competent person
yeah i have hated the story in ever snyder film including 300 but actions usally good
He definitely should give up writing
Snyder hasn’t Snydered this Snyder since the last Snyder 2 Snyders ago.
As someone who hasn't liked a single one of Snyder's movies since Man of Steel (yes, that includes ZSJL), ... I feel seen.
Zack Snyder would make a really good Wheat Thins commerical.
Zack Snyder is the greatest jpeg director of all time.
Zack’s strongest films don’t need extended cuts: 300, Man of Steel, and Guardians of Gahul. Should tell you everything right there. He needs more restraints that push him to be creative within the box he’s given. He’s his best then.
You forgot his Dawn of the Dead remake. It’s one of his best, if not the best for a lot of people.
i hate how everyone prefaces their videos with 'I am a fan of Zack Snyder.'
They have every right in the world to call themselves a Snyder fan, and they were extremely disappointed, that doesn't mean because he recently made two new bad movies that they will join the rest of the internet and consider him the new uwe boll or some shit
@@adamcade604
I'm losing faith in him.
It seems that Zack has to stop writing/producing/filming(cinematography) his films and only direct with some producer oversight not from his wife. Oh, and also tackle a smaller budget.
Basically, do a M. Night career choice, who returned with Visit, then did Split & moved on to other projects.
Doing Rebel Moon 3 won't fix anything. It probably will be just as bad.
Rebel Moon part two is absolutely atrocious
Snyder fandom going on a raging spree and calling everybody haters and continue to victimize themselves as everyone is "mean" to them
As everyone should be.
Twitter is the last bastion for Snyder fans. Seeing a cultist on CZcams is like seeing the Imperials after the second Death Star blew up while the cultists on Twitter are like the First Order where there’s droves of them.
Ray’s most anticipated movie one year was Moonfall, that should tell you all you need to know about Ray’s taste 😂
😆
Tbh i liked moonfall
moonfall is its so bad its good and its not pretentious like Snyder films LOL
And he didn’t think it was a good movie (he was even disappointed). But the dude gets enough flak for his lack of film knowledge and passion, yet he himself has acknowledged that he isn’t a real cinephile. (Remember: he’s only on camera because John wanted it.) Regardless, I’ll take Moonfall over rebel moons any day of the week
they can fold space but can’t grow crops on their massive ship..don’t you think it would be critical to produce food while in deep space exploration??
Lol you don’t have to go that far.
This is a sci-fi world and they sill harvest wheat by hand
I've been looking forward to your review of this John. The film is just a bit of a shit show. It's beyond dull.
@@logirexbelieve me it’s not a million, it’s much less than that but they are a loud and aggressive bunch which gives the illusion of millions. I have a lot of friends and coworkers who are movie fans and have never met a single Snyder fan in real life, I’m convinced they are a terminally online group, much like those Twitter users who like to be offended.
I truly wonder what Snyder must think when he sees an actually competent sci fi epic like Denis’ Dune movies. I wonder if his delusions have him thinking his movies are on that level.
I bet he does
Delusions of adequacy.
He would think its too colourful
"It would have been better with more wheat".
Netflix just showed us that giving Zack Snyder full carte blanche to make a movie. He has no idea what the hell he’s doing. I have never been so uninspired from a movie then the rebel moon one and two.
the more control he has over the film the worse the film is.
This just proves Snyder can’t write, not all directors should be writers. Love your guys attempt to be positive but this film doesn’t deserve it.
We are in love with the concept of the single auteur, but Zach and JJ Abrahms are proof that you can be a fantastic director but terrible at developing stories and scripts.
Just to be VERY CLEAR JOHN, The Rise of Skywalker is no longer the worst Star Wars movie, that title now belongs to "Rebel Moon Part 2" - 😂
I don’t understand why he has such a large fan base. Snyder makes michael bay look like spielberg
My name is john( I like to repeat everything i say any chance I get)campea
haters around!!!
It's clear now that Zack only had a rough treatment idea that he used to try and woo Kathleen Kennedy. When that didn't work...he approached NETFLIX and they were more than happy to keep a cool filmmaker like Zack on the payroll. I mean why not? Then Zack had to quickly conjure up a huge sprawling universe with new galaxies and planets and races etc. It's a daunting task to then populate that universe with real people with real lives. He would've been much better served to have bought the rights to any number of fascinating sci-fi stories that exist out there and just do what he does best...direct action. This is way, way, way too much to try and make sense of. He didn't have a true idea. He didn't have a story to tell and it collapsed almost immediately. Start your trilogy at the beginning and show Cora in the Imperiam and her rebellion against it. Build her story and then get to all the other crap later. Screenwriting 101.
When your selling point is “Here’s my Star Wars idea that was too dark to make” Camt blame any studio head for jumping on that and seeing franchise dollars lol
Cool? He is NOT cool in any world in any universe. He is pretentious, pompous and entitled.
The exposition dump was actually painful to sit through.
That scene should be taught in screenwriting classes on what NOT to do when writing your characters.
I honestly started laughing when one of the characters finished their story and one of the other characters had a tear in his eye 😂
@@NUFC_Adamahhahahahha YEAH same
The first rule of doing exposition is...
Don't.
I’m going to say it, no one else will. Those that said his JL (pre his own cut and the wave of support) those execs and those that said Whedon commented on the inherent issues with his storytelling were 💯 correct.
This review is more entertaining than both rebel 1 and 2 ha ha ha ha "i dont care about spoilers"
Give Chris Nolan complete creative freedom: he makes Oppenheimer. Give Snyder complete creative freedom and he makes....
Tbf, he also made Tenet.
But yeah, Snyder is in a slump now
Im sad, as a long time Snyder fan I cant defend this garbage, watching this I was embarrassed for this film, for the actors, he has actually regressed as a film maker wtf happened.
Completely agree 😢
I've seen Man of Steel, the last Snyder movie I watched.
He was always this bad. Flashy visuals, terrible story.
Can I just say, I truly applaud you for being a Snyder fan and not living in a delusion and convincing yourself into thinking these movies are misunderstood gems. I personally think Snyder has always been an awful storyteller, his best movies are the ones where someone else has laid out the entire story for him already, but it’s fine if you think different. It’s nice to see a fan break away from the group think and thinking for themselves.
John's intro speech here wasn't too far from the John Goodman speech in Revenge Of The Nerds "..And you just got your ass whipped by Madame Web..."
I... don't think "the rough story line" is a good one as you state at 22:30. First off, "the benevolent ruler gets offed and evilbadiosas take over" is a story I saw 27 000 times by now. Please NO MORE.
Second off... the "I will take a classic story/movie and re-tell it in a modern setting with pew pew pew and boom boom boom" is just... after 2 decades of re makes, re boots, re imaginings, re shits; I think HUGE majority of audience's patience is literally paper thin for any more of these scams. NO you do NOT get to be called a genius for making The Seven Samurai into a Star Wars movie. Eff off. Thirdly... the whole "a small village resists AN INTERGALACTIC EMPIRE CAPABLE OF INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL" premise is the one... a severely out of touch fourth grader might come up with, and would be kindly corrected by a well meaning teacher. Because OMG the scale of stupidity on that one is just mind boggling.
John: So I watched Rebel Moon 2.
Jonathan: WHY?!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What a great way to start the video.
Snyder isn't a good writer, all the films that were good or enjoyable he didn't write.
I always feel bad for Djimon Hounsou. No matter the movie he always gives 100%. I didn’t like that Tarzan movie he was in but his performance almost brought me to tears he’s so good.
Now that I think of it, you are right
Snyder’s ego has been inflated so much by the Justice League and his talent as suffered as a result.
His talent was already questionable. He screwed up a combo Batman and Superman film
It was all down hill with his depression Superman.
Liking is something doesn't mean you can't recognize the quality of it.
Ray is the perfect example of why there's a huge difference between critics score and the audience. Someone can know a movie is bad, and still enjoy it. Being critical of is not the same. As long as people like him get to score movies, I know I have no reason to claim, the audience knows better than the critics.
Wow. I’m so shocked. Another Zack Snyder movie being absolute garbage. I’m surprised by that one.
Ok i have to ask. What is the point of this guy Ray Ora being on this show? He literally brings NOTHING to ANY conversation 🤣
Rebel Moon is such a bad movie that instead of sneaking into the movie theater people try to sneak out of the movie theater
Relatively no one saw it in theaters.
I don't think Sophia or any of the other actors were terrible as actors, but there is only so much you can do with that writing and editing. I don't think any better acting could have carried the rest of the movie.
He was given to much control. He needs writers and editors. Then he needs to trust in them. To have his vision realized
Idk y but I love it when John actually hates a movie. It’s the funniest thing ever. I love it so much.
Ha ha ha ha leave the princess where ever she it ...OMG I'm dying 😂😂😂😂😂
You just reminded me how much Zack Snyder sucks as a director with all those movies.
So what you're saying is:
It's not simply bad it's "although I like Snyder's movies this movie is his worst"-kind of bad?
Thanks for the warning. It means tasteful viewers would rip their eyes out, I guess.
Bro, you synder fandom was misplaced. I found his movies massively pretnesions. Nah, Ill pass big time on the puff pieces of Synder fandom reviews. I liked 300 but even that one was pretensious as ever. Man was laughable horrible...I couuldnt stop laughing at how stupid it was in its self fleitio. I dont know what you saw in any of that, but mkay. I mean you are suprised this movie was trashy? Good to see you are becoming aware of what a grifter he is.
The battle scene with titus and the ex prince made no sense. They were beating people in an open battlefield and a few dozen soilders with guns were just watching doing nothing/ standing around in the background
Rob's quick zingers during this review got a laugh out of me every time. "Dude...", "on your eternal soul", "is there one?". I'm cackling 💀
Army of the dead was abysmal
I think I started the first 5 minutes but gave up because the shallow depth of field was so extreme that it was almost nauseating to look at lol
As a Zack Snyder fan, I think I’ll just sit these out. It sounds like it would just bum me out
I actually really enjoyed Sucker Punch lmao.
I actually I liked it a little better then Part 1. At least the second half was entertaining
Yeah: With Scargiver, Zack used up all the "benefit of the doubt" he earned from 300, Watchmen & Man of Steel IMO
Using that credit, I took a chance on Child of Fire: It wasn't great but I thought Scargiver would stick the landing and redeem the burgeoning franchise SMH Part 2 made it worse 😑
Going forward, I don't think I'll see another Snyder Film w/o first seeing what the reviews are for it 💯
i dont think i have liked the story in any snyder movie including 300
@@trueheart1372yeah most of his movies (including 300) feel like bad dreams you wake up from and cant wait to forget!
I was flabbergasted at the potential he wasted with BvS
I will watch Rebel Moon 3 because just to confirm the big reveal. It's the WHEAT. The WHEAT secretly controlling everybody.
Yes, the special wheat is like the spice that gives you power.
I too loved man of steel, 300,army of the dead, i kinda liked bvs, and justice league. But this was oh so very bad. This does not need any more cuts trilogies or anything. Someone should smack Zach's hands everytime he does slow mode. He actually ABUSES slow mode. All that shit with the grain was soooo weird. Like wtf. I don't know how they'll greenlight another one. Idk if Snyder is in denial or what but he has to come better than this.
New to the channel. Awesome panel!
300 was epic
I'm with Ray with this I think the action was good and it was something to watch. I would probably watch a 3rd one if they make it.
So you guys are saying it’s not as good as Dune part 2???
I didn't mind the first Rebel Moon. Watched it on a rainy Sunday with a hangover, and it was adequate fluff for passing the time. I say that as someone who really dislikes Zack Snyder's films as well. It wasn't a good movie though. I enjoyed it the same way I enjoyed a Roger Corman film, only with less desire to watch it again.
Can't say I'm that interested in part 2, but what really puts me off is the sewer of Snyder fanboys making out that everything he touches is cinematic high art, and the "haters" are conspiring to topple him because they are not smart enough to understand his genius.
That shit can get in the trash.
i didnt like the first one enuff to even be interested in the second one. but RAY made a good point... visuals matter... i have played plenty terrible games that looked pretty
BUT this didn't even look pretty. It was samey generic stuff people have seen before in sepia colored mud.
I didn’t understand the purpose of the characters they recruited in the first movie, like the guy with the axe. Djimon tried his best to make this his Oscars push but even he couldn’t help it.
I think Rebel moon is a very interesting movie not because it is good, but rather because how bad it is and why. Maybe I am wierd.
300 and MoS are looking more and more like flukes.
And those were divisive movies
300 was a copy and paste story, MOS was guided by Nolan and written by Goya which is why they are half decent. If he would step away from the pen he would be a success with critics, but his lack of self awareness of his shortcomings is giving NPD vibes
@@martymarl4602 Yup won’t argue with that, clearly ZS needs someone to write him a script and just get him to direct.
@@alexcosta2614 True indeed, but they weren’t written by him which I just found out. Which now makes sense.
300 & MoS STILL Negative Mixd Review. MoS Only Some Action Part Good, Not Story, It A MiD/Average Movie.
N 300 3 Times Watch/See Deferent Years STILL Didn't Like, It Was Very Slow, Boring🐢 Movie. N IT/300 Was First Movie That Started SLOMOCRAPS Trand In His Movie.
N Only One First Zombie "Down Of Dead" GREAT & Only GOOD Review.
Any reason Kris hasn’t been on the show lately? Definitely could’ve missed it if there’s a reason why.
I don't think the director's cut will save it unless they overhaul the story and dialogue
Only Zack and his fanbase think that.
The rest of the world do not
So um, are we not gonna get a review of SHOGUN???
It didnt click 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
1:34 Actually a lot of people say it's worse. Even the RT score is much lower. Heck, it's even lower than Transformers: The Last Knight. I'm one of those people who says it's better than the first but still sucks
I found it interesting how the peaceful farmers with the limited time of training with weapons they have never fired before what seemed like within 5 minutes were able to hit there targets with laser focused precision 😅😅
i found it interesting a society that uses coal-powered interstellar space ships and robots have to extort 10 bushels of wheat from an agrarian town full of dirt farmers sowing grain by hand...
the entire premise of the "movies" was stupid and unnecessary.
Should I watched rebel moon 2
I can't believe ya'll were expecting so much from this guy.
ZACK….GET A BETTER SCREENWRITER
Or DON'T BE A SCREENWRITER
@@amateursoundtracker8877 Or don't be a director.
I don't understand. You didn't like the farming, inane backstory and absolutely terrible attempts at trying to force you to care about the 'love stories' so unbelievable.... makes ER look like romeo and juliet. The action sequences are so badly done... what the hell happened?!?!?!
this guy is on a path to career killer
Snyder does his best when doing an one-for-one adaptation like 300.
The film in writing standpoint was purely his own fan fick in his head. Suprised he didn't hire a script doctor
the main problem with Rebel Moon is that you're all watching it on mute at x2 speed.
What makes you think that?
Zack Snyder did it again 😅
Shit was awful. It’s all subjective, I know. But just no. Even the action was horrible. The ONLY NOT ABSOLUTELY AWFUL THING, was some of the visuals were OK still shots. That’s it though.
Liked it more than the first one
Regardless of if you like him or not I think we need to settle what Zack Snyder’s overall reception is, because people are always warring over whether or not he’s liked, but based on the reception for most of his movies I think it’s pretty clear, he’s generally disliked but has a very passionate cult following, and so no more of this “People are just being unfair to Zack Snyder” BS, look, I’m a fan of Zack Snyder, but honestly at this point guys we gotta just accept that if you’re a Zack Snyder fan you’re part of a cult following, there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just how it is, just like with Michael Bay
I think there is a problem with being in cults of personality. Hopefully with this trash movies synder has been making and bay has, these cultist can wake up and demand better writing instead of being okay with poorly written colorful turds.
You don't need to be a cultist to like Zack Snyder's films. That would mean you are incapable of critical thinking when it comes to his work. I like most of his filmography, but I think he directed four bad movies. The rest, for me, go from good to great without a single "perfect" film. I know a lot of people who feel more or less the same way about his work.
Zack only be compared to Michael Bay as a director because both are very similar directing style great at cinematography and action scene but terrible with storytelling and characters and all of their films are just very style over substance.But reception wise Zack is very close to M Night Shyamalan very mixed and most miss than hits
@@matiasdevaglia4541
I didn’t mean that as is cultists, I meant cult *following,* in the same way that movies like The Lost World have a cult following
What were you guys expecting? You gave zak rave praise for garbage movies ever since 300. Dont give me this crap about how awesome his dc projects where. Pretty colorful turds are still just that. Synder took the worst aspects of all the characters and put them on screen and said "cool..." The luaghable man of steel and the highly pretensious 4 hour slog that was the Justice League. And now..NOW you are surprised that Synder is turning out garbage movies when he always had? Maybe stop endorsing pretty color tured making, we might get better wrtiten movies. Stop supporting and deifying hacks like synder.
Unfortunately, people notice that he's a terrible storyteller only when he makes a movie about characters that don't have famous source materials you can draw meaning from.
Perhaps Rings of Power Season 2 will wash the bad taste of Rebel Moon out of our mouths. Bwahahaaa
I liked the music and the second half.
The first hour of part 2 was dull patience testing bollocks
But HEY!! There is Dollar store Furiosa.
You got that from the Angryjoeshow didn't you?
@@haidernawabnaqvi8357 🤫🤭
”You could chose to stop it” - have some god damn standards and turn it off so they stop doing them for gods sake!
That has been my stance for years
I agree with this but I do want to see more in this universe for some reason, I think it’s the look and jimmy
300 is a much better movie that Man of Steel
Honestly, Titus should’ve been the main character for this movie and Part two not Kora as I do find story Kind of interesting A general of the Empire who have blood on his hands Still cares for his men and honorable (Given that he accept the independence from the Parliament on that planet.) Before being disgrace And left to die. Even though his character is a bit poorly written as well like everyone in this movie, at least I do buy his story and I do wish he was the main character for both films Plus in part two he’s clearly the leader of the group Then Kora herself!
I agree with you!!! 🎯🎯🎯🎯
@@kayskaht2052 Exactly like I said even though Titus is a poorly written character as well at least his character or the general idea of him is interesting pius Djimon Hounsou was actually really good in Part 2 then Part 1.
I really liked it!
lol..as bad as this film was, I still wanna see the 3rd film. Snyder struggles when he’s given too much control of a project. I’d like to see him direct something that he DID NOT WRITE!!!!!
You know what will be hilarious? That somebody else directs a Rebel Moon movie and it turns into the best film of this franchise. That alone will be further proof that Zack Snyder is not a good director. 😆😆
Snyder should be one of those guys using Photoshop to make custom posters of other people's movies with dim, tinted colours
Am I the only one who is really upset that when John named Zack Snyder’s films, he didn’t mention Dawn of the Dead?
Dawn of the Dead is definitely one of Zack Snyder’s best films and it bothers me that people always forget about it. It’s always overshadowed by his later work even though it’s much better than most of his other films.
He mentioned it yesterday
Starcrash and the giant mechanical hand in space… Amazing.
I always think the directors must know when their film is garbage, theres no way they think stuff like this is good it must be embarrassing for them to pretend its good in interviews
At least it's very pro wheat