"My predictions for nba all-star reserves 2023-2024" (I predicted based on what coaches way of thinking & not what I like) "West" Guards - Edwards, Jamal Murray & Booker Frontcourts - Sabonis, Leonard, Anthony Davis & Gobert "East" Guards - Trae Young, Brunson, Mitchell & Maxey Frontcourts - Butler, Adebayo & Jaylen Brown
"My predictions for nba all-star reserves 2023-2024" (I predicted based on what coaches way of thinking & not what I like) "West" Guards - Edwards, Jamal Murray & Booker Frontcourts - Sabonis, Leonard, Anthony Davis & Gobert "East" Guards - Trae Young, Brunson, Mitchell & Maxey Frontcourts - Butler, Adebayo & Jaylen Brown
Chuck is on another level in terms of analysis from these guys. It's really not close. The group dynamic just makes everything entertaining, but Chuck provides actual insights.
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
Chuck is right. If certain teams aren’t in the race, the league suffers. You need viewership and interest to generate money. You need those big teams in the race which is why people allude to game rigging. I think the league pushes for certain teams and storylines. Remember a guy sued the NFL for not getting a “authentic” product. They lost. It was said the NFL is an entertainment business. You aren’t entitled to “fair” games. Let that sink in..
Correct. Sports businesses like nfl and nba are filed under the entertainment category. This gives them the ability to rig or script games under the disguise that it is “entertainment”
That Jordan Poole point was masterfully made by Chuck. And it left Shaq speechless. Starting and coming off the bench are 2 completely different worlds for a player. Shaq couldn’t use his ring 💍 cop out everytime he’s loseing the discussion.
As someone who witness the late 80’s NBA up till now I can say Shaq was never the brightest player. He never needed to be. He had his spots and could remember plays, but he never was lauded for reading a defense or offense and making spur of the moment adjustments. For example like Bird who made a career off of doing just that.
I mean he's still averaging 24.8 PTS, 7.2 REB, and 7.4 AST. What is there to say? Kawhi has been good, but LeBron still has been better. Edwards has been good, but LeBron still has been better.
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
"My predictions for nba all-star reserves 2023-2024" (I predicted based on what coaches way of thinking & not what I like) "West" Guards - Edwards, Jamal Murray & Booker Frontcourts - Sabonis, Leonard, Anthony Davis & Gobert "East" Guards - Trae Young, Brunson, Mitchell & Maxey Frontcourts - Butler, Adebayo & Jaylen Brown
how? Its stupid that steph isnt a starter and im not even a warriors fan. Who tf is Shai? Let the fans vote the game is about the fans not some media bullshit reporters who none knows their names. Shaq is right. Only fans should decide
@@legendal2463the moment you asked “who is Shai” immediately disqualifies your opinion. And I’m a Warriors fan. Shai deserves it over Curry this year by performance and team record.
ytshai is a big reason why OKC is the currently number 1 in the west. He earned to be an all star just like morant did when he had Memphis number 1 or 2 for a certain time period. if it was soley up to fans then it be fair to shai incase he isnt popular enough. He is deserving he just aint as flashy like other stars. @@legendal2463
2:50 I love how they have the same arguement every year with the NBA All-Star fan voting being based on a combination of player votes, fan votes, media and overall team record and Shaq always disagrees. Kenny made a good point with your dad/mom asking "did you win" whenever you come home after a game.
@@gamaleldinosman8748 I mean the 9th seed is pretty bad but he ranked 2nd in player voting, 1 in fan voting and 2 in media voting. Even if Lakers were dead last based on all the criteria he would still be a starter.
Shaq is right. The same thing was going on when some people were saying Cade Cunningham doesn't even belong in the conversation for the rookie of the year few years back because he is on a losing team but I don't hear that talk about Wambenyama this year... People are very selective about the rules from year to year depending on what fits their narrative.
Imo, I don't think it really applies to rookies. Like if they're on a losing team, it shouldn't be held against them, because most of the top rookies go to bad teams anyways. You can't expect a rookie to come in & make a bad team start winning right away, of course some have in the past, but for most of them it doesn't work that way. Off topic, but MVP on the other hand, it's a different case, I didn't like how they gave Westbrook & Jokic the MVP when they were the 6th seeds. Winning should matter in the MVP race, otherwise Kobe should've gotten it the year he was killing it but they were the 7th seed.
@lazzi2462 - it doesn’t, but if two players have similar stats, and one is helping his team win while the other isn’t, then it should be considered bc it’s easier putting up stats on a bad team
he's not wrong . in the last 40+years , knicks were relevant for a brief period in the early 90s and 99 lockout season. That's it. in that time, the NBA was saved by Bird/Magic, went global because of MJ, Shaq/Kobe/Duncan kept it going, and Lebron/Curry took it to the next stage in the social media era. NBA doesn't need the Knicks to be relevant. NBA has survived, thrived, and evolved without NYC. Those are facts
The Knicks haven’t sniffed the finals in 25 years and ain’t won a championship in over 50 😂. They only get talked about because of where they play at. The Pistons who are terrible now have had more success in the last 25 years.
@@aliali-ce3yfYe as we know if Knicks fans have any sort of stability or playoff contention they think they winning the chip. Then the egos will crash once they get bounced out in the playoffs like always 🤷♂️
4:47 ABSOLUTE FACTS CHUCK! Poole could take 10 bad shots at Golden State because he wasn’t the primary but in Washington he has to be more efficient and smarter with his play. Chuck is 1,000percent right
Stop it. His argument makes 0 sense! Poole played as starter at warriors as well. And wizards have like 5 wins. Nobody has any expectations and he has complete green light to do whatever. There is literally clips of poole online not paying attention during timeouts and saying “doesnt matter this my team”. Chuck is saying he only had green light in gsw coming off bench as instant offense. Hes got 48 min of green light in was every night.
@@KhanvictionOr the NBA should adopt a better system for picking All-stars. It's disgusting that people are making excuses for clearly superior players not starting 🤮
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
Making all star team is important it means you're one of the best in the toughest basketball league in the world there's a reason why Steph, Giannis, KD, LeBron, Jokic, embiid are all stars every year they are the best players in the league
Funny as you say that the Bucks are the only team with two all stars starting and they ain’t a big market 😂. Brunson probably shoulda started and he plays in one of the biggest markets in the league and still ain’t start.
@@datsapaddlin because the Bucks are coming off a championship. so your gonna have a lot of new fans come in and bandwagon. so that’s expected. i’m talking the Kings, OKC, Jazz (even though they’re trash) Cavs, Magic, T-Wolves etc.
@@GoatedAtNFS they actually just got knocked out the first round. Dame is just a more popular player than the majority of the guys in the East and the Bucks are the 2 seed so he got the nod. Brunson probably should have started but Dame is more well known. SGA made it too. Usually if you become a multiple time all star you will have a shot at starting every now and then no matter where you play. Dame been an all star level player for a long time so he got more votes in the east simply because he’s more well known.
Chuck said he believes Brunson should start because he believes everyone should be able to start at least once. Well, to be fair, while I also believe Brunson should be starting, this is also finally Dame's chance to start for the first time in his career so at least he got his one.
You’re saying Lillard should start over Brunson because he never started in an All Star game before? Give me a break. The All Star game is about the best playing against the best and Brunson is having a better season than Lillard.
"My predictions for nba all-star reserves 2023-2024" (I predicted based on what coaches way of thinking & not what I like) "West" Guards - Edwards, Jamal Murray & Booker Frontcourts - Sabonis, Leonard, Anthony Davis & Gobert "East" Guards - Trae Young, Brunson, Mitchell & Maxey Frontcourts - Butler, Adebayo & Jaylen Brown
Imagine the sheer chaos that would happen if Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless joined Inside the NBA. The amount of arguing between those two as well as Shaq and Barkley would be crazy.
It's a popularity contest and it always has been always will be. There's not point in trying to pretend like it's anything else. Coaches and players picking their favorites is the exact same as fans and the media picking their favorites. Everybody has an argument why their guy should be on that list. All this nonsense about not taking the all star game not being serious enough don't mean ANYTHING if you have a 6th man playing the game. Because at the end of the day it's the same result... fans won't be watching. Nobody tuned to the All Star game to watch a regular season type game.
All star selection only helps players to get more money for their next contract. It’s one game that even the players don’t even take seriously and cringy to watch
Yea kinda like the probowl LMAO it's not really a bad thing... You want them to try hard and get hurt in a game that means nothing? Much better alternative.
Gotta remember he also still has fans in Portland and he’s built up a fanbase longer than Brunson. If Brunson keeps it up next year and plays better than Dame again he may start.
I get Shaq’s point. The All-Star game is for the fans - it’s shouldn’t be meant to be an actual meaningful accolade on a player’s resume. That’s what all nba teams are for. All star games are a popularity contest and trying to start arguments about statistics and records only contributes to controversy on weekend which is meant to be fun.
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
@@bigvsouthphilly2156this comment tells me LeBron occupies way to much space in your head. It's just a sport man. No need to get so triggered about it lol
@@bigvsouthphilly2156lol u prolly a Curry fan mad he didnt get the starter spot 😂😂😂 the fact that Bron still leads the voting in the west and top 2 in players voting means ur argument is invalid 😂😂😂
I agree with taking the complete power away from the fans. I lot of guys in history made starting spots based on popularity but clearly didn't deserve it.
As a kid the first thing I looked at before Allstar voting was name recognition, then stat lines for the year… w/l’s probably wasn’t considered until I was in college
When a player retires and people look back to see how good he was / should he enter the HOF, people always look at if he's "X time All-Star". But if popularity is the only criteria then it shouldn't be used to evaluate how good a player was. Zaza Pachulia almost made it one year if anyone remembers. Adding player vote and media vote is a great change IMO, a great balance between fan favorite and who's actually playing well.
I completely agree with shaq, people got confused already about what being an allstar is all about. The whole point is for the fans to see all there favorite player play a game together to celebrate basketball, it 💯% is a popularity contest but that why we have all nba teams that dont take in to a count the "likability" of a player
No it shouldn't be. If you go solely by fan votes then it is a no contest, Every great International player will get voted in first all the time. They have a whole country supporting them plus the fans at their home team.
Yet the fans you speak of aren't watching the game anymore.... Ratings for the game is in the gutter. Less people are watching it because the best players aren't being picked. People don't want a popularity contest. They want to watch the best players.
@@kreizeeboi that’s not true at all if they did that then all international players should be at the top of the voting numbers but all of them didn’t just the top international players made it
That's why I love this show. It feels like watching my family arguing.😂 Plus the big brotherly love out of Chuck and Kenny towards their Giant baby bro "Shaq." Specially when he's throwing tantrums.😂😂😂
Chuck is right! When you come off the bench you’re expected to put up points. Starting is another thing. You have to be more of a floor general and pick your spots to score.
I think everyone forgets the All-Star weekend is for the fans. Most fans don't care who is playing well. They wanna see their favorite players go head to head and team vs team against each other to see who the better players are. If you start taking away that then people aren't gonna watch the game. Fans wanna see who they wanna see. Not who you want to see.
That’s been taken away. They don’t compete anymore. Back in the days players competed against each other in ASGs for bragging rights. New generation don’t wanna play hard in ASGs, prob cos they so injury prone these days
@@GoGetYourShinebox yeah you’re right. They probably also get told not to play hard by their management team. Because what’s it worth getting injured in the All-Star game for. You’re trying to win a championship not All-Star game.
I think I agree with Shaq. When a player is on a great team, personal stats (All-Star and MVP) don’t matter to you anymore. You make those sacrifices to win a championship, so you can’t factor in a team’s record when determining whether or not a player should make the all-star team. Basically the player is acknowledging his stats will go down, but it’s all for getting a ring, so they’re fine with it.
Brunson should have started over Dame. Of course it goes to the fan vote between the two and the fans just vote on legacy and career, not who's having a better year.
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
Why would they disagree, did they not see the knicks vs nets game. That was the most insane shhh ever, the knicks bought all the tickets for a Brooklyn home game and bridges was getting boood at the free throw line and it turned into a home game for knicks. That’s energy! No other fan base doing that shhh, same wit LA everybody comes out for those games. It’s a way better environment when they’re playing good
Shaq was right on this one. It's a popularity contest. The fact that it weighs the popularity of three different groups of people against each other doesn't make it any less of a popularity contest. The only way to change that is to base all-star selections on some sort of statistical formula. And that creates its own potential set of problems. In the end, the entire all-star process is a fan service fun time, so a popularity contest is the best way of deciding. If they were going to make it more serious, like giving them a few weeks to practice together, then making them play a 7-game series, then using statistics might be more appropriate.
I agree. When these old-school big cities teams like Lakers, Boston, New York, Detroit, Philadelphia and Chicago are relevant and battles for the championship, That's when the NBA are great and will bring new fans to the sport from around the world
Jalen Brunson is not a system player which is what Shaq is trying to say about him. Brunson is the system. Knicks are not a team without Brunson he runs it all.
If it was just the fans, Jeremy Lin would have been a starter in the ASG cuz he has billions of people in China. They "mix it up" in other sports. I mean Embiid won the MVP last year when Jokic obviously shoulda won it 3 times in a row. So I dunno why they wouldn't put Brunson in.
I agree and disagree with shaq saying fans voted their all stars back then, the thing is compared back then to today is that fans back then we took everything serious, today there is alot of what people today call trolls.. adults with brains of 10 year olders sadly.
This is why I love the Thursday crew better. The other crew just agrees with Shaq and they brush off anyone who disagrees. Candace was checking Shaq abt the Indiana and Milwaukee rivalry and Lefkoe just proceeded with the next discussion
Ever since they met-up and had a crossover with Stephen A and ESPN, the Inside guys have been having these noisy heated debates as well more often now.
2:20 Chuck said that the NBA needs to have certain teams to be relevant. If it's a need, there's a significance to it, which makes it important. Good basketball always comes before any franchise's appeal.
That's the whole point. When the knicks are playing well and I'm the playoffs the nba is better as a whole. Have lakers and knicks and add the new markets it'll be an exciting series all around the board with lots of money being made. But again Kim's success doesn't generate money as in comparison to if the knicks were as you say playing good basketball in the playoffs.
@@xero9329 You missed the point. Chuck denied Kenny’s claim of it being “important,” when that was his argument: “the NBA needs certain teams to be relevant.” No, the NBA needs quality basketball before anything else, which can and should come from everywhere. If your product isn’t good, there is no point in watching. Very erroneous logic it would be to tout that if a team performs badly, people should still be happy because that team sits in a big market: blasphemous. Fair-weather and bandwagon viewers ride treads for the semblance of popularity; basketball fans understand and respect difficulties associated with finding success and maintaining it.
@Yuan-lo3zz ok I understand I miss interpret it. But I will push back on hiw the knicks get covered. Unless you a knicks broadcast team or a knicks fan channel then even if winning knicks don't get the media attention. Just the other day on tnt I think vs the nets or nuggets the broadcast team.spent more time talking about the doc rivers situation than the game itself and what happen. If anything I'd say the media is selective in that right
Shaq is completely right. Fans wanted to see their favorite player or players play against each other no matter their record or not. Not every good player plays on a good team 🤷🏾♂️
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Kenny : the sky is blue
Shaq: Yea but I got 4 rings though
Repeat simbot ^
"My predictions for nba all-star reserves 2023-2024" (I predicted based on what coaches way of thinking & not what I like)
"West"
Guards - Edwards, Jamal Murray & Booker
Frontcourts - Sabonis, Leonard, Anthony Davis & Gobert
"East"
Guards - Trae Young, Brunson, Mitchell & Maxey
Frontcourts - Butler, Adebayo & Jaylen Brown
Two things can be true at the same time😂
I hate that!
Shaq is the type of person who would see himself in a mirror and say it is not him.
The fact that they went to commercial and they still arguing had me rolling 😂
theyre always so funny ong
"My predictions for nba all-star reserves 2023-2024" (I predicted based on what coaches way of thinking & not what I like)
"West"
Guards - Edwards, Jamal Murray & Booker
Frontcourts - Sabonis, Leonard, Anthony Davis & Gobert
"East"
Guards - Trae Young, Brunson, Mitchell & Maxey
Frontcourts - Butler, Adebayo & Jaylen Brown
Shows theyre doing it for the love of the game and not just the bit
It wasn’t commercial, they just went to the Kings v Warriors game
They’re like brothers.
Shaq: Winning is not important!
Shaq to Chuck: I have four rings and you have none!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
He never said winning wasn’t important and that wasn’t his point in context on this conversation
@@trulifeism There's always someone like you! Typical Party Pooper! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Trabunkle yep
@@trulifeismno one is taking to you buddy!!!
@@phillippepym1560 was I talking to you?
Chuck is on another level in terms of analysis from these guys. It's really not close. The group dynamic just makes everything entertaining, but Chuck provides actual insights.
It’s just his talking is like bad but i agree
and kenny too. he's always on point
If chuck wasn't on the show, I wouldn't watch one second,
@@ND-OPSno lol you not sneaking Kenny in there
@@ND-OPS Kenny??!?!? Hell no!
Shaq defeated his own argument lmao
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
@@bigvsouthphilly2156 Lol LeBron living in your head rent free lmao
"but Kenny let me give an example of how great of a point you just made"
@@bigvsouthphilly2156 You stressed about somebody that doesn't even know you
@@bigvsouthphilly2156 Only you and the haters. If nobody cared he wouldn't be in the All Star game. Sit down and stop embarrassing yourself lol
Charles and Kenny can say the sky is blue and Shaq will find a way to get upset and argue that it’s actually more of a yellowish-green
He will also say I got 4 rings
😂
😂
He just mad nobody cares bout curry😂
@@andrewashford5617 Curry choked AGAIN nothing new
Chuck is right. If certain teams aren’t in the race, the league suffers.
You need viewership and interest to generate money. You need those big teams in the race which is why people allude to game rigging. I think the league pushes for certain teams and storylines.
Remember a guy sued the NFL for not getting a “authentic” product.
They lost. It was said the NFL is an entertainment business. You aren’t entitled to “fair” games.
Let that sink in..
Correct. Sports businesses like nfl and nba are filed under the entertainment category. This gives them the ability to rig or script games under the disguise that it is “entertainment”
@@nunyabidness9482 Wrong. They would be sued because they allow gambling. That’s exactly the reason the wwe can’t have gambling because it is rigged.
Correct
Not only that, but these dudes sign NDAs and limit themselves as to what they can say…………
It's a small step above the WWE, but that step is getting smaller...
Shag yelling "I DONT WANT IT CHANGED" had me DYING lol
I’m over here crying🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He definitely wasn’t yelling
“We didn’t change it for you” 😭😭😭
chuck got the HOF badge of G checking Shaq
He's got the 2nd most "This is why you're wrong" takes behind Stephen A except all of his are directed at Shaq lol
Big G💪🏽😤 shaq a lil Boi ina Galapadooooosh body😂
Chuck is right 95% of the time. Especially when Shaq has to relate everything back to himself and his playing career.
That Jordan Poole point was masterfully made by Chuck. And it left Shaq speechless. Starting and coming off the bench are 2 completely different worlds for a player. Shaq couldn’t use his ring 💍 cop out everytime he’s loseing the discussion.
He just said it without providing any argument lol... I literally waited for an explanation but he did not provided any
@@dariuslukacs4128do you want us to spell that for you?
That was the system Poole was in. Now he's in a different system where he has a role he can't fulfill.
Loseing huh..
As someone who witness the late 80’s NBA up till now I can say Shaq was never the brightest player. He never needed to be.
He had his spots and could remember plays, but he never was lauded for reading a defense or offense and making spur of the moment adjustments. For example like Bird who made a career off of doing just that.
Barkley: ... KENNETH!!
Kenny: It's Ken NY 😎
😂💪🏾🗽🏀
I hope Chuck never retires from this show. He deserves all the money he earns
Love how they brushed off his point of Lebron being the 10th seed and still starting 😂
Of course they did 😂
No shiii 😂
It’s Bron get over it
I mean he's still averaging 24.8 PTS, 7.2 REB, and 7.4 AST. What is there to say? Kawhi has been good, but LeBron still has been better. Edwards has been good, but LeBron still has been better.
They won the In-season tournament. I think that holds some kind of weight.
I swear, they got the same argument every year. Every allstar selection week, I keep hearing this debate from these guys. 😂😂😂
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
@@bigvsouthphilly2156 blud is doing dances on it
Still great entertainment
@bigvsouthphilly2156 lmao, LeBron broke haters brains.
Keyboard warriors with no jobs just yapping their gums.
"My predictions for nba all-star reserves 2023-2024" (I predicted based on what coaches way of thinking & not what I like)
"West"
Guards - Edwards, Jamal Murray & Booker
Frontcourts - Sabonis, Leonard, Anthony Davis & Gobert
"East"
Guards - Trae Young, Brunson, Mitchell & Maxey
Frontcourts - Butler, Adebayo & Jaylen Brown
How the hell do you defeat yourself in an argument? This is exactly what Shaq did
how? Its stupid that steph isnt a starter and im not even a warriors fan. Who tf is Shai? Let the fans vote the game is about the fans not some media bullshit reporters who none knows their names. Shaq is right. Only fans should decide
lost me at who tf is shai @@legendal2463
@legendal2463 Who the hell is Shai????😂😂You must not be a fan of basketball period.
@@legendal2463the moment you asked “who is Shai” immediately disqualifies your opinion. And I’m a Warriors fan. Shai deserves it over Curry this year by performance and team record.
ytshai is a big reason why OKC is the currently number 1 in the west. He earned to be an all star just like morant did when he had Memphis number 1 or 2 for a certain time period. if it was soley up to fans then it be fair to shai incase he isnt popular enough. He is deserving he just aint as flashy like other stars. @@legendal2463
2:50 I love how they have the same arguement every year with the NBA All-Star fan voting being based on a combination of player votes, fan votes, media and overall team record and Shaq always disagrees. Kenny made a good point with your dad/mom asking "did you win" whenever you come home after a game.
except when Lebron's name came, everyone became quiet!
@@gamaleldinosman8748but he wins
@@HomerunsamSOSA Not enough for his team to be better than 9th seed
@@gamaleldinosman8748 I mean the 9th seed is pretty bad but he ranked 2nd in player voting, 1 in fan voting and 2 in media voting. Even if Lakers were dead last based on all the criteria he would still be a starter.
@@gamaleldinosman8748 a star is a star. He draws most views in the league, so he's in. This is not the MVP race, but the allstar game.
Shaq: “I hate to throw a name out there….Jordan Poole!” 😂😂
Jordan Poole catching strays 😂
Lol.. just standing on the porch.. wasn't even the target and still got hit
All the baddies disappeared
Shaq is right. The same thing was going on when some people were saying Cade Cunningham doesn't even belong in the conversation for the rookie of the year few years back because he is on a losing team but I don't hear that talk about Wambenyama this year... People are very selective about the rules from year to year depending on what fits their narrative.
Just like Melo should have been RoY over Lebron
@@nydibscap
Imo, I don't think it really applies to rookies. Like if they're on a losing team, it shouldn't be held against them, because most of the top rookies go to bad teams anyways. You can't expect a rookie to come in & make a bad team start winning right away, of course some have in the past, but for most of them it doesn't work that way. Off topic, but MVP on the other hand, it's a different case, I didn't like how they gave Westbrook & Jokic the MVP when they were the 6th seeds. Winning should matter in the MVP race, otherwise Kobe should've gotten it the year he was killing it but they were the 7th seed.
@@Wisestomatoe naw, that’s facts.
@lazzi2462 - it doesn’t, but if two players have similar stats, and one is helping his team win while the other isn’t, then it should be considered bc it’s easier putting up stats on a bad team
Chuck is correct. Kenny turn in all your NY ID cards.
His Metro Card is invalid lol 🤣🤣
How is Chuck right? Knicks have not been relevant since Ewing played for them back in the 80s and the league has survived
@@the_dark_knight5140 he's tryna say they've been relevant the past few years with Julius Randle leading them to the playoffs and winning a series.
Bro Kenny Smith bouta get banned from NY the way he keep talking lmao
he's not wrong . in the last 40+years , knicks were relevant for a brief period in the early 90s and 99 lockout season. That's it. in that time, the NBA was saved by Bird/Magic, went global because of MJ, Shaq/Kobe/Duncan kept it going, and Lebron/Curry took it to the next stage in the social media era.
NBA doesn't need the Knicks to be relevant. NBA has survived, thrived, and evolved without NYC. Those are facts
Y he's right. They're one of the worst franchises in all of sports.
The Knicks haven’t sniffed the finals in 25 years and ain’t won a championship in over 50 😂. They only get talked about because of where they play at. The Pistons who are terrible now have had more success in the last 25 years.
@@aliali-ce3yfYe as we know if Knicks fans have any sort of stability or playoff contention they think they winning the chip. Then the egos will crash once they get bounced out in the playoffs like always 🤷♂️
@@aliali-ce3yfsmartest comment I’ve seen in a while
Jordan Poole catching a stray got me 💀💀💀
I agree 😂
4:47 ABSOLUTE FACTS CHUCK! Poole could take 10 bad shots at Golden State because he wasn’t the primary but in Washington he has to be more efficient and smarter with his play. Chuck is 1,000percent right
Stop it. His argument makes 0 sense! Poole played as starter at warriors as well. And wizards have like 5 wins. Nobody has any expectations and he has complete green light to do whatever. There is literally clips of poole online not paying attention during timeouts and saying “doesnt matter this my team”. Chuck is saying he only had green light in gsw coming off bench as instant offense. Hes got 48 min of green light in was every night.
@@DJ-yu9gk Stop it. Your argument is invalid
@@TimothyStewart-rf6qpthanks for providing nothing and making a random statement.
@@DJ-yu9gkStop it, your argument is invalid.
I love how we have this argument every year and nobody ends up watching the all star game 😂
Yup, and if guys keep scoring 70 with no defense, no one will watch the NBA.
The dunk contest and 3pt shootout are more entertaining
Everybody knows Brunson should be starting
Facts
then you should have voted, clearly this is the fault of the fans
Over Dame
@@KhanvictionOr the NBA should adopt a better system for picking All-stars. It's disgusting that people are making excuses for clearly superior players not starting 🤮
this is literally the better system. used to be only a popularity contest. brunson was voted higher for media and coaches, us fans let him down
All star game never mattered to me. Just an added bonus to the season honestly. If Chuck or Shaq ever leave tnt so will all of us 😅
yea the last good all star game we got was 2020 in Chicago and the last good one before that was 2013 and 2012
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
@@bigvsouthphilly2156🤥🤥
@@bigvsouthphilly2156??? What are you yapping about
Making all star team is important it means you're one of the best in the toughest basketball league in the world there's a reason why Steph, Giannis, KD, LeBron, Jokic, embiid are all stars every year they are the best players in the league
Kenny mad the knicks aint hire him
I'm a big fan of Dame, but either Donovan or Brunson should be starting.
Thank you.
Same Here
Yea Brunson playing way better than Dame. He will get 20 to 30 ppg but with 19 fga for 20 and 25 fga for 30. Dame isn’t efficient at all!
Brunson was robbed. He should be starting, but I think most know that.
@@cvgodd1432 Dame literally has a higher TS. That means he's been more efficient than Brunson as an overall scorer.
Chuck always make a great point. Shaq doesn’t even know what he’s arguing about 😂
the fans should have a lower percentage of who should be in the NBA All Star game. because the smaller market teams get little to no recognition
its just the starting 5 the fans vote for..coaches pick the reserve all stars
Funny as you say that the Bucks are the only team with two all stars starting and they ain’t a big market 😂. Brunson probably shoulda started and he plays in one of the biggest markets in the league and still ain’t start.
@@datsapaddlin because the Bucks are coming off a championship. so your gonna have a lot of new fans come in and bandwagon. so that’s expected. i’m talking the Kings, OKC, Jazz (even though they’re trash) Cavs, Magic, T-Wolves etc.
@@GoatedAtNFS they actually just got knocked out the first round. Dame is just a more popular player than the majority of the guys in the East and the Bucks are the 2 seed so he got the nod. Brunson probably should have started but Dame is more well known. SGA made it too. Usually if you become a multiple time all star you will have a shot at starting every now and then no matter where you play. Dame been an all star level player for a long time so he got more votes in the east simply because he’s more well known.
@@datsapaddlindame is so much better than brunson tho . It’s not even close
Ever since Kenny bought that beard off temu they’ve all been hostile towards each other
Chuck said he believes Brunson should start because he believes everyone should be able to start at least once. Well, to be fair, while I also believe Brunson should be starting, this is also finally Dame's chance to start for the first time in his career so at least he got his one.
Damn, l forgot Dame was never a starter
You’re saying Lillard should start over Brunson because he never started in an All Star game before? Give me a break. The All Star game is about the best playing against the best and Brunson is having a better season than Lillard.
So dame should get a participation trophy@@lazndora2026
@@lazndora2026 lol the NBA would’ve shut down worse than Covid if Dame started over Curry or Harden in the ASG 😂
"My predictions for nba all-star reserves 2023-2024" (I predicted based on what coaches way of thinking & not what I like)
"West"
Guards - Edwards, Jamal Murray & Booker
Frontcourts - Sabonis, Leonard, Anthony Davis & Gobert
"East"
Guards - Trae Young, Brunson, Mitchell & Maxey
Frontcourts - Butler, Adebayo & Jaylen Brown
These guys should do the NBA finals instead of the ESPN guys
Would be wayy more entertaining
Imagine the sheer chaos that would happen if Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless joined Inside the NBA. The amount of arguing between those two as well as Shaq and Barkley would be crazy.
Everyone says this every year...
@@Intrepid_Crusader1096wow that would be terrible
DEFINETLY
Us NY’ers don’t claim Kenny
*Shaq said they made no sense.... Then proceeded to tell them why they weren't making any sense, by making ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!* 😂😂😂
Chuck said we didn’t change it for you 😂😂😂Chuck really get to Shaq
Jerden Pooh got to understand lmao.. Chuck and his accent
It's a popularity contest and it always has been always will be. There's not point in trying to pretend like it's anything else. Coaches and players picking their favorites is the exact same as fans and the media picking their favorites. Everybody has an argument why their guy should be on that list. All this nonsense about not taking the all star game not being serious enough don't mean ANYTHING if you have a 6th man playing the game. Because at the end of the day it's the same result... fans won't be watching. Nobody tuned to the All Star game to watch a regular season type game.
They skipped over Bron having the 8th place & getting the start 😂
People get more excited about the all star voting than the actual game😂
It's crazy 😂
All star selection only helps players to get more money for their next contract. It’s one game that even the players don’t even take seriously and cringy to watch
...and also for players who never win a ring to get into the hall of fame.
Yea kinda like the probowl LMAO it's not really a bad thing... You want them to try hard and get hurt in a game that means nothing? Much better alternative.
Dame shouldn't be starting. Playing for the bucks boosted his fan voting
Blame Stephen A for hyping Dame up over the years.
doesn't matter..fan voting is what matters because fans pays the leagues rent
Gotta remember he also still has fans in Portland and he’s built up a fanbase longer than Brunson. If Brunson keeps it up next year and plays better than Dame again he may start.
bucks are literally the smallest market team in the
Playing for the bucks is why he’s not scoring as much. People know that dame is a beast
Chuck said Kenneth with his chest 😂
I get Shaq’s point. The All-Star game is for the fans - it’s shouldn’t be meant to be an actual meaningful accolade on a player’s resume. That’s what all nba teams are for. All star games are a popularity contest and trying to start arguments about statistics and records only contributes to controversy on weekend which is meant to be fun.
But even the fans get it wrong. Kawhi been balling all year, yet gets snubbed in favor of Bron and KD? BS
West starters team is insane
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
Luka been playing trash can’t lie
@@bigvsouthphilly2156this comment tells me LeBron occupies way to much space in your head. It's just a sport man. No need to get so triggered about it lol
@@bigvsouthphilly2156seek help my boy , hating is a sickness
@@bigvsouthphilly2156lol u prolly a Curry fan mad he didnt get the starter spot 😂😂😂 the fact that Bron still leads the voting in the west and top 2 in players voting means ur argument is invalid 😂😂😂
Justice for Jordan Poo! 😂 4:16
I agree with taking the complete power away from the fans. I lot of guys in history made starting spots based on popularity but clearly didn't deserve it.
Nobody can change Shaq's mind about anything lol
I was waiting for things to get “heated” and it never happened. Thanks.
As a kid the first thing I looked at before Allstar voting was name recognition, then stat lines for the year… w/l’s probably wasn’t considered until I was in college
When a player retires and people look back to see how good he was / should he enter the HOF, people always look at if he's "X time All-Star". But if popularity is the only criteria then it shouldn't be used to evaluate how good a player was. Zaza Pachulia almost made it one year if anyone remembers.
Adding player vote and media vote is a great change IMO, a great balance between fan favorite and who's actually playing well.
Looking at those two starting lineups, we are spoiled with talent in the NBA
I completely agree with shaq, people got confused already about what being an allstar is all about. The whole point is for the fans to see all there favorite player play a game together to celebrate basketball, it 💯% is a popularity contest but that why we have all nba teams that dont take in to a count the "likability" of a player
I had no idea who Tyrese Haliburton was before a few months ago.
No it shouldn't be. If you go solely by fan votes then it is a no contest, Every great International player will get voted in first all the time. They have a whole country supporting them plus the fans at their home team.
Yeah like few years ago zaza pachulia almost made into all stat starter
Yet the fans you speak of aren't watching the game anymore....
Ratings for the game is in the gutter.
Less people are watching it because the best players aren't being picked. People don't want a popularity contest. They want to watch the best players.
@@kreizeeboi that’s not true at all if they did that then all international players should be at the top of the voting numbers but all of them didn’t just the top international players made it
That's why I love this show. It feels like watching my family arguing.😂
Plus the big brotherly love out of Chuck and Kenny towards their Giant baby bro "Shaq." Specially when he's throwing tantrums.😂😂😂
You gotta love how Chuch shut Shaq down with a factual analysis on the Jordan Poole situation.
Kenny’s beard is a crime against humanity
😂😂😂😂
Give him a break he has to glue it on himself
😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 bruh down bad. He got them goofy ass knees too
Beard shaming now?
Chuck is right! When you come off the bench you’re expected to put up points. Starting is another thing. You have to be more of a floor general and pick your spots to score.
Kenny quick to say he from NY. First off thats the first time i heard him confirm this.
I think everyone forgets the All-Star weekend is for the fans. Most fans don't care who is playing well. They wanna see their favorite players go head to head and team vs team against each other to see who the better players are. If you start taking away that then people aren't gonna watch the game. Fans wanna see who they wanna see. Not who you want to see.
That’s been taken away. They don’t compete anymore. Back in the days players competed against each other in ASGs for bragging rights. New generation don’t wanna play hard in ASGs, prob cos they so injury prone these days
@@GoGetYourShinebox yeah you’re right. They probably also get told not to play hard by their management team. Because what’s it worth getting injured in the All-Star game for. You’re trying to win a championship not All-Star game.
Shaq argues just to hear himself talk.
this is why i love this show.. all of them represents all of each of us individually and the only difference is that they played the game.....
I think I agree with Shaq. When a player is on a great team, personal stats (All-Star and MVP) don’t matter to you anymore. You make those sacrifices to win a championship, so you can’t factor in a team’s record when determining whether or not a player should make the all-star team.
Basically the player is acknowledging his stats will go down, but it’s all for getting a ring, so they’re fine with it.
Brunson should have started over Dame. Of course it goes to the fan vote between the two and the fans just vote on legacy and career, not who's having a better year.
Who else can't wait till LeBron retires?? The dude is holding up the NBA noone cares about him or his records just please retire noone wants to see u force the NBA to draft scrub bronny to play with him. He's a bum without the James name he wouldn't even of made a college d1 team
in All Star games..it doesnt matter if you start as long you make the team
Well yeah. The starters have always been a popularity contest.
@@bigvsouthphilly2156 How is this relevant to the all-star voting. Hater spotted.
Why would they disagree, did they not see the knicks vs nets game. That was the most insane shhh ever, the knicks bought all the tickets for a Brooklyn home game and bridges was getting boood at the free throw line and it turned into a home game for knicks. That’s energy! No other fan base doing that shhh, same wit LA everybody comes out for those games. It’s a way better environment when they’re playing good
Kenny not instigating tonight, he went at it right of the bat😂
This is not a heated conversation, this is actually a very polite conversation for this guys.
SHAQ just mad YAO MING always beat em in fan voting 😂
Things get HEATED 😂😂😂
2:30
Damn, KenNY was one of the smoothest comebacks i have ever witnessed
Damn, Shaq is stubborn 😂
I love the smirk on EJ's face during that entire argument between the other 3, he low key loves it when old players debate hahahaha
Shaq basically said I got robbed of all star appearances so should everyone else 🥴
Whenever Shaq is pissed it’s always some deep down trauma from him getting slighted lmaoooo I believe you Shaq your correct
Shaq was right on this one. It's a popularity contest. The fact that it weighs the popularity of three different groups of people against each other doesn't make it any less of a popularity contest.
The only way to change that is to base all-star selections on some sort of statistical formula. And that creates its own potential set of problems. In the end, the entire all-star process is a fan service fun time, so a popularity contest is the best way of deciding. If they were going to make it more serious, like giving them a few weeks to practice together, then making them play a 7-game series, then using statistics might be more appropriate.
Not the best because overseas players will vote their players from their countries . We could have guys like Zaza pachulia in the All-Star game lmaoo
Nah the “Ken NY” got me buggin lmao
Jotdan poole just caught a stray
Great point by Chuck. Starting and coming off the bench are 2 entirely different things
I agree. When these old-school big cities teams like Lakers, Boston, New York, Detroit, Philadelphia and Chicago are relevant and battles for the championship, That's when the NBA are great and will bring new fans to the sport from around the world
“I would just like to see guys start one time.”
Meanwhile Dame has never started an All-Star game.
Look at everyone else coffee cup … then look at shaq’s😂😂😂
😂😂
I'm here for the chuck- shaq convo with Ernenny as the refs😂😅😂
"I don't wannna change it.." -Shaq , 100 minutes after this moment. Hilarious, love these guys :D In TV they humble, in the "game", they killed.
😂 these guys never miss
Anytime shaq is wrong he answer is:
I got 4 ringz 💍
6:08 I like how the guys respect Ernie enough to listen to him when he says, let me finally get a word in basically 😂
Basically Shaq is mad cuz he got screwed with fan voting and now everyone has to get screwed because of it 😂
"But Shaq! You could've been an all-star!" got me good lmao
Jalen Brunson is not a system player which is what Shaq is trying to say about him. Brunson is the system. Knicks are not a team without Brunson he runs it all.
If it was just the fans, Jeremy Lin would have been a starter in the ASG cuz he has billions of people in China. They "mix it up" in other sports. I mean Embiid won the MVP last year when Jokic obviously shoulda won it 3 times in a row. So I dunno why they wouldn't put Brunson in.
I agree and disagree with shaq saying fans voted their all stars back then, the thing is compared back then to today is that fans back then we took everything serious, today there is alot of what people today call trolls.. adults with brains of 10 year olders sadly.
Yeah, remember when Zaza got votes or when Andrew Wiggins almost got in a few years ago, lol. Fan Campaigns can be meme's nowadays.
Still mad that Wiggins was voted in, Anthony Edwards should have been an all star over him
SHAQ IS 100% RIGHT .. BACK IN THE DAY .. NOBODY WAS SAYING LOOK AT THE RECORD .. IT WAS ALL ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL PLAYER'S GREATNESS ..
That's wrong, they picked the best players on the best teams, if a team wasn't in the top 8 they rarely had an all star.
I'm still trying to figure out Shaq's take on saving money getting gas. It's an old references but the video is still on CZcams
"we aint change it for you!!!!" 😂😂
This is why I love the Thursday crew better. The other crew just agrees with Shaq and they brush off anyone who disagrees.
Candace was checking Shaq abt the Indiana and Milwaukee rivalry and Lefkoe just proceeded with the next discussion
Ever since they met-up and had a crossover with Stephen A and ESPN, the Inside guys have been having these noisy heated debates as well more often now.
I mean Shaq and Barkley been fueding for decades 😂
That’s why I love chuck he literally speaks facts when people be thinking he don’t make sense
2:20 Chuck said that the NBA needs to have certain teams to be relevant. If it's a need, there's a significance to it, which makes it important. Good basketball always comes before any franchise's appeal.
That's the whole point. When the knicks are playing well and I'm the playoffs the nba is better as a whole. Have lakers and knicks and add the new markets it'll be an exciting series all around the board with lots of money being made. But again Kim's success doesn't generate money as in comparison to if the knicks were as you say playing good basketball in the playoffs.
@@xero9329 You missed the point. Chuck denied Kenny’s claim of it being “important,” when that was his argument: “the NBA needs certain teams to be relevant.” No, the NBA needs quality basketball before anything else, which can and should come from everywhere. If your product isn’t good, there is no point in watching. Very erroneous logic it would be to tout that if a team performs badly, people should still be happy because that team sits in a big market: blasphemous. Fair-weather and bandwagon viewers ride treads for the semblance of popularity; basketball fans understand and respect difficulties associated with finding success and maintaining it.
@Yuan-lo3zz ok I understand I miss interpret it. But I will push back on hiw the knicks get covered. Unless you a knicks broadcast team or a knicks fan channel then even if winning knicks don't get the media attention. Just the other day on tnt I think vs the nets or nuggets the broadcast team.spent more time talking about the doc rivers situation than the game itself and what happen. If anything I'd say the media is selective in that right
Shaq is completely right. Fans wanted to see their favorite player or players play against each other no matter their record or not. Not every good player plays on a good team 🤷🏾♂️
All stars not all scoring!!! Great point
Look at Ernie's face as Shaq begins to nuke his own argument lol
5:43
Shaq was spot on. Winning doesn’t matter that much for all star selection as it does for other categories. All star is a stat pick really, always was.