I saw my rail road on that last table of N scale the red and yellow Florida East Coast road number 801. I see it all most every day when i get off of work
If you want a 4-4-0, I would recommend getting one of the new-tooled Bachmann ones. The one you have is actually an older model, as the new one is loco drive, and runs much smoother and is far more reliable. They aren’t cheap, but I’d say it’s one of Bachmann’s better models from recent years.
@@modelrailfan37 I swear I've seen one but it is like a bigger size but I mean if you can fit a motor in like a switcher or a trolly or even tiny rc cars. I don't see why you couldn't put a motor in the engine 😂
@@crazygamer0518 huh, didn’t know about that version. I know saying you couldn’t fit a motor inside the engine sounds silly (and I could be completely wrong on this, with technology these days you might be able to fit a motor in the locomotive), but the boiler is very narrow meaning that there really isn’t much space for one. This is why the HO version was tender driven for so many years, as for a while it was not possible to fit a motor into the narrow boiler. I have a feeling that the same problem might still be the case in N Scale, but you never know, so fingers crossed it is possible, and hopefully someone will make a proper version one day!
That looks nice Harrison, At such meetings you will always come across something, I Also watch your Channel a lot, Where you show your programs,And you come across locomotives that are older than us, But you get them at the talk, Harrison, I Wish you and your family from Belgium a Merry Christmas and a Good New Year and a healthy 2024 Greetings Henk Van Zitteren😀😉
Lol that’s true! Athearn Bluebox locos are the same in that regard too, but then again it’s even more of a funny coincidence with Kato, since both them and Toyota are very well known in Canada and The U.S, even though they originate from the other side of the ocean! Japan is so advanced with technology and transportation, and both companies really show that (okay, I guess one only does in miniature)!
I liked Lorenzo's details on the tornado, i love how many details and little easter eggs train people put in their layouts and the work they do in general. I've never had a model train and i've never even held one but i love everything about that hobby, everyone seems to really friendly.
Brilliant take on the “to run or not to run” dilemma, I know a guy at my local model railway club who owns several models in the region of 50 to 70 years old which have never been run, and he’s slowly getting through the process of getting them all running, I actually managed to get a job fixing models for him after he bought a never before used Airfix Royal Scot to the club, ran, but noisily because it hadn’t been oiled, told him how to get into it to oil all the gears and now he trusts me with fixing his collection!
Watching you unbox the trains takes me back so long ago . You never lose the memories of buying a new engine , rolling stock , or a building . Very Nice !
I've seen pictures of that Mantua logging tank engine on the back of a few old Mantua Classics boxes I have, so it's super exciting to actually see someone run it for the first time. Also, I'd LOVE to see more work on the N scale layout.
If you see that the last axle of the Mantua is really attacked by zinc plague, remove the axle and coat the affected wheel part with phosphoric acid (common rust converter for cars). After half an hour, washing it thoroughly and repainting the wheelset stops the decomposition.
I would never spend money on an engine that I haven't seen ran, especially from a train show.kato makes a awesome product... I have many in HO scale and N scale. I work right next to their main hub in Schaumburg, Illinois. Walk-ins welcome it's open to the public.
I used to go to a lot of train shows, and an easy thing to do to sort of test DC locos to see if they run is to just take a 9 volt battery and touch the wheels to it. If it runs well on that, it should be OK. If it barely goes, make an offer, "Since it needs work". I used to get basket cases pretty cheap. Once in a while, a dead one was a really simple fix, but usually it involved some petty involved efforts to make it work. I got an old brass RS-3 that had "foam rot" on one side for $20. It ran fine and I took it to a friend's and he had a soda blaster and while it would never be perfect, it ended up looking OK in PC black.
The mana timber locomotive with the Weyerhaeuser logo caught my eye but even cooler, that timber company originated in my small town in Washington. Small world
Class 105 (Locobase 4066) Data from [], supplemented by DeGolyer, Vol 80, pp. 216+ and 228+. See Locobase 3643 for a discussion of the split-saddle tank design. Works numbers were 60784-60785 in April 1929 and 61355 in May 1930. Two Prairie Mallet split-saddle tanks based on the compound tank delivered a year earlier (Locobase 3643), but with four HP cylinders, each receiving steam through an 8" (203 mm) piston valve arranged for 70% maximum cut off.. They were followed immediately by a similar engine with a larger boiler and grate (Locobase 4041), then a year later by a repeat of the design shown here, but with slightly higher adhesion and engine weights. All were expected to handle 4% grades, 40-degree curves, and 60 lb/yard (30 kg/metre) rail. All three operated for Weyerhaeuser until the 1950s, after which they were scrapped. Class 110/1 (Locobase 3643) Data from Jon Davis's [], supplemented by DeGolyer, Volume 80, pp. 334+. (Thanks to Chris Hohl for his 27 July 2015 email highlighting data from the DeGolyer specs that Locobase had overlooked.) Works number was 60561 in July 1928. A Prairie Mallet "semi-saddle"(or split) tank, this engine worked logging lines for years, later joined by a slightly larger, younger sister, for which see Locobase 4054. Like the other Baldwin Mallet tanks, this compound used 8" (203 mm) piston valves on the HP cylinders, 12" (305 mm) on the LPs. Davis shows that this Prairie Mallet Tank operated for Weyerhaeuser from 1928 to 1954 first from Longview, Wash., then from 1937 out of Vail, Wash. Rayonier, Inc of Railroad Camp, Wash., then ran the locomotive as a tender engine until 1968. After years of storage, enthusiasts at the Black Hills Central began restoring 110 in 1999. Its first revenue run came on 12 May 2001. [] has an extended article on the 110's history. Created specifically to serve logging roads, the split-saddle tank Mallet handled the rough track and steep (4-8%) grades as well as a Shay, but was easier to maintain. And so flexible was the layout that 40-deg curves [146 foot/44.5 kg/metre radii] were well within the engine's turning radius. The Baldwin logging engines were a big hit with their crews because they were "clean" engines (oil-fired and superheated), unlike the older engines that threw water, soot and "other gunk" out of the stack. Class 110/2 (Locobase 4064) Source of information is an account by William Schneider for the PSMRA presented by the SDRM's website. See also [] . See also DeGolyer, Volume 80, pp. 340+ and 348+. See Locobase 3643 for a discussion of the split-saddle tank design. (Thanks to Scott Golding for his 13 November 2020 detailing of the tenders Rayonier added to these tank engines.) Works numbers were 62064-62065, 62068 in 1937 (62064 in June). These unusual locomotives worked the Washington State forest logging lines for years until 1967. As built the Prairie Mallet articulated design featured split saddletanks on the boiler (one over each engine unit), which shortened the engine's wheelbase. The specifications describe the engines as "in general to be duplicates as Clemons Logging Company's Locomotive No 8, Baldwin class 16 30/50 1/4 DD 6 [Locobase 4052], except where otherwise specified and to embody modern Mallet construction." Eight-inch (203 mm) piston valves admitted steam to the HP cylinders, 12" (305 mm) piston valves served the LPs. Scott Golding's remarks about the Rayonier tenders are here quoted in full: "Just a note that Rayonier added tenders to two of these while in our ownership. We didn't remove the saddle tanks, obviously, but wanted additional range on them, so we added tenders from other locomotives that we were scrapping. C/N 62064, our number 111, got a tender in 1960, from our #18, a 1901 Ten-wheeler, c/n 18734, which we had recently scrapped. C/N 60561, our number 110, got a tender in 1962, from our #101, a 1912 Mikado, c/n 38966, which we had scrapped in 1959. We kept the tenders for use as fire cars (forest fire suppression), but at some point decided that we wanted our tank mallets to have better range, and had the tenders sitting around, so we pressed them back into service. Best I can tell, both lokeys kept their tenders when we sold them, though I don't see that the one at Black Hills still has / uses that one. " After stints with Weyerhaeuser (1937-1946) and Rayonier (1946-1967), Georgia-Pacific bought #110 for the California Western. The CW converted it to a tender engine, removing the distinctive tanks and fuel bunkers in the process. In 1984, runs on the Super Skunk tourist service came to end and CW #40 was donated to the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum Association, later passing on to the San Diego Railroad Museum. Weyerhaueser converted the 9 to a 2-6-6-2T plus separate tender and renumbered it 8. Class 111 (Locobase 4041) Data from [], supplemented by DeGolyer, Vol 80, pp. 222+ . See Locobase 3643 for a discussion of the split-saddle tank design. (Thanks to Chris Hohl for his 9 May 2015 email catching a ridiculously low adhesion weight because of a dropped zero in the entry.) Works number was 60811 in May 1929. Weyerhaeuser clearly was sampling different variations of simple and compound-expansion split-saddle-tank articulated locomotives. Baldwin had produced two simple-expansion engines the previous month with boilers that would also appear in two different Mallet-compound tank variants. The 111 was bigger and had an all-simple expansion cylinder setup with each cylinder taking steam through 8" (203 mm) piston valves that were set for a 70% maximum cutoff. Jon Davis of loggingmallets notes that this burly little split saddle tank ran for Weyerhaeuser until 1947 at three different locations. It then travelled north to Vancouver Island, BC, for Canadian Forest Products, where it operated until 1962. It was then scrapped. Class 4 (Locobase 3166) Data from [] and DeGolyer, Volume 80, pp. 356+. See also "LoggerHogger", a member of a TrainOrders.com forum who posted "Sierra #38 & Rayonier #120 - Weyerhaeuser's Twins!" on 9 January 2009 at 0700 ([],1844966, last accessed 2 July 2012). Works numbers were 61781 in September 1934 and 61904 in 1936. Baldwin's specification book Volume 80 describes #4 beginning on page 356 and #120 on page 364. Clearly, Weyerhaeuser wanted to put as much adhesive weight on 66 1/2 lb/yard (33.25 kg/metre) rail as it could manage. These behemoths didn't delve deeply into the timberlands, instead negotiating curves of a relatively modest 18 degrees (320 foot/97.5 metre radii) and grades that maxed out at 2%. Their HP cylinders took steam through 10" (254 mm) piston valves while the LP cylinders used 12" (305 mm) piston valves. 120, which was ordered a little later (order 16 36/56 1/4 DD 54) is described in the specs as a "duplicate of 16 36/56 1/4 DD 53 except where otherwise specified." LoggerHogger explains that though both engines were indeed sister engines in WT, they did not work on the same line until the mid-1950s. 4 went to work on the West Side line running out of Klamath Falls, Oregon. Her massive bulk and size didn't suit the track and she suffered several derailments. It was only in 1952, however, that the 4 went to the Sierra Railroad as their 38. Sierra sold the 38 to Rayonier Company in August 1955 where the engine ran until 1967 when it was retired and put on display. 4 has since been moved twice, the second time to Merritt, Ore. 120's first service ran out of Vail, Wash. Later, WT's Chehalis Western used her to take logs to the Milwaukee Road junction. 120's reunion with 4 came in 1954 when Rayonier bought the former engine. Its career came to a premature end in 1962 when the crown sheet failed after the boiler's water level fell too low. Repairs would have been costly, so the engine was scrapped and the tender salvaged as a water car.
That green and blue GE Evo loco in the opening sequence! That's my favorite loco on my layout! Yay! Being from FL I use it to pull some Tropicana box cars. The Trop plant is within five miles of my house. The locos that actually pull their freight are usually CSX, so I have one of those also.
I have one of those too, as well as the chrome-plated MTH boxcar right behind it. I ran mine many years ago on a display layout for a "First Night" New Year's Eve event in Connecticut. Video here: czcams.com/video/VL-fUB57rIg/video.htmlsi=iCtPtVciJK3t5-7O
Just got back from the Mega Train Show in Winnipeg which was awesome, Harrison, but less extensive than what you found in Massena. Prices were comparatively better I think, for example with some used custom painted BNSF diesels selling for $120 -$150 Canadian dollars. There was an abundance of old Lionel stock -- more than I've seen in previous sales. Alas, only a single streetcar -- the ever available 'Streetcar named Desire' which is usually twinned in a box with a San Francisco cable car, as you filmed one in your video. Notwithstanding, it was a pleasure to visit, as you clearly expressed concerning the Massena train show.
When I was new to this hobby, I'd see model red-over-yellow Union Pacific cabooses and think, surely that McDonald's paint scheme can't be real. But sure enough, there's a UP caboose at the railroad museum in Sacramento and it looks a lot like that one. It looks like a cool show and I hope you get those steamers up and running as well as they should!
I know it's incorrect, Richard Dreyfus Hudson was a joke someone made a while back on one of my livestreams and it's what people have been referring to it as on the channel since
Thanks for tacking us along to the train show. With a little work I think that you have did ok. Thanks Harrison for the video always a pleasure to watch.
Wish I could have gone! I went a few years ago and had a blast. The Layout at 3:18 isn't a club, but a layout owned by Jeff Filios- I know him from a railway museum where I volunteer. He invited me to help him set up his layout for the first time at Massena back in 2021. Glad to see some love for his layout, if I ever get a chance to help him exhibit again I'd love to bring some of my vintage HO collection up to run. A friend who was at the show picked up the Cox 'Big Pine Lumber' loco at 2:55 for me, since he knew I was looking for a GP-9. I'm hoping to use it as a starting point to model Central Vermont Railway chop-nose GP9 No. 4559. When it comes to buying anything old, I always assume the trains need work unless someone I feel I can trust is able to vouch for the train's operability. Most vendors don't have the time to test everything they sell, it's definitely a good idea for every model railroader to learn how to perform some basic level maintenance (especially when buying used/old stuff).
Always enjoy show vids and trying to guess what you'll actually buy. I suspected the American. All steam needs a break-in and I suspect old grease. You reminded me of when I retired. I bought myself a logging heisler as a parting gift. Cheers.
Great haul and video there my friend. I have recently bought four HO scale GE Tier 4 GEVO's from Intermountain. I am looking forward to them in due course but they will be put away for Christmas once I have tested them.
Very nice. FYI, there's a train show mid October in New Braunfels, Texas. Claims to be the largest model railroad train show in south Texas. I will certainly be checking it out. From Texas
Good day, I occasionally stop by to watch what you are up to. Enjoying your channel 😊. Please let me know if you would be interested in reviewing a HO scale German WWII steam locomotive (and a few rolling stocks) made by Lilliput. I bought in a flea market in France in 2019. I am hoping to start building my own layout in a year or two.
I hate to say it but it may not be the locomotives that need the work. I noticed a few videos back that you have a passenger car that flickers horribly but only in a few spots. This is probably due to widely spaced pickups on opposite sides of the car. Both passenger cars flickered but one was worse. Old dirty wheels not withstanding, you may need some track TLC. That passenger car that flickers so badly is useful in diagnosing the track connectivity. Both locos stalled/struggled in the same spot. Otherwise, beautiful locos. That green lumber crawler is magnificent.
Like with anything when I buy something no matter what somebody says whether it's New Old stock brand new never been taken out of the box or anything else I just automatically figure I'm going to have to work on it and do something to it that's always a good thing to just keep it in mind into just tell yourself that you're going to have to do something to it and even if it is brand new
Same here. Unless I know the seller, and feel confident that when they say it's ready to roll it's ready to roll, I assume I'm going to need to do something to make it run for me. I factor this into how much I'll pay for an item. Definitely an important think to warn the novice model railroader about when shopping for equipment.
I actually wish I made up that way. I'm glad to see what you purchased a Mantua logger loco. That is one type that I've been trying to get. I noticed you brought your girl with you and that's awesome. Like I said I wish I went up that way. I'm going to try to go to the train show in Marlborough mass which lands on my birthday in December. Last year I went to it hopefully I do this year but I also want to try to make it across the border as ive been talking about it eh. Glad you two had an awesome time.
It sucks that the Ho scale steamers didn't perform well. They are some interesting engines. Who knows? They may make a future appearance in a repair video. As far as, the N scale Kato set is a solid runner, and it's nice to see that it performed flawlessly out of the box.
To smt your train layout is nice and your collection of model trains is great ,Our family has a passed in the Rail Road and I just love trains in general ,Our relative Eli Hamilton Janey invented the automatic knuckle coupler the lock and load system this is no lie he is a relative on my Father's side of the Family the US made the knuckle coupler a patten that passed your love Fan Matthew
There's nothin' like running your model trains while watching SMT Mainline at the same time, great show coverage and haul Harrison! Really enjoyed it! 👍 Figured i would share this with ya, got a Intermountain N Scale SD40-2 painted for the Pan Am Railways today for my bday, runs and sounds great!
So apparently there's a socal group called the baz boys, a z gauge group that does modular displays and in a video some one took years ago one of the guys made a tornado scene as well. I think you can find it in the video where it's a challenger steam locomotive going around the whole display.
Lorenzo's tornado was awesome. That was the kind of modeler I was back in my younger days. BTW I've always heard Kato pronounced Kay-toe like Green Hornet's butt kicking partner ( yes I'm old).
I'm doing some kitbashing with off-scale diecast trains, including Thomas and a few toy aisle items. One such project is to use half of two road rollers to make a modern track MOW vehicle. I'm also thinking of converting a couple of trucks into HO-scale hi-rail vehicles by using some of my spare N-scale wheelsets. Takes me back to when I started in the hobby 51 years ago, combining farm toys, Airfix military sets, car kit and slot car leftovers, Matchbox, Corgi Jr, Dinky, Mantua-Tyco, etc. In lieu of trains shows I hit as many dollar store and charity shops as I could in the past couple of weeks while the weather was still summer-like. I learned right away that I need containers to hold all the parts while I start a half-dozen different projects on the fly.
I know travel is usually a bit of a pain, but in Maryland (my home state), they have a big train show 2-3 times a year. Also, I will be going on Vacation in a few weeks and going to the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga. Might do a video and have some train CZcamsr's react to it.
Out of 3 Locomotives, One Green $120 🧱Brick ain't bad ! You'll have to pick out old crusty grease with a toothpick and put some new lubricant back in it.
I actually was just at a train show today and I don’t know if you noticed this but i noticed that the prices in just rolling stock and passenger cars has increased so much I was seeing cars for $50
I don't understand why HO scale steam doesn't have all-wheel tender pick ups like N scale does. That green loco looks a lot like the narrow gauge Unitah Railroad tank locos. It's hard to go wrong with Kato in N scale, they make some of the best stuff out there.
ever watch petticoat junction? i loved the cannon ball on that show! i had a battery op. floor train that looked like the cannon ball locomotive and i pretended it was the cannon ball runnin thru hooterville!
I have a Baltimore in Ohio Blue 4-4-0 I got it in a lot with other 4-4-0s It is a lovely engine and it's somewhat rare Bachmann Made some beautiful paint schemes for there 4-4-0s Bachmann originally set them up to work similar to the Rivarossi 4-4-0s But it actually picks up Power for the motor only by the tender So it really does struggle over switch tracks. I have seen another layout just like the tornado but it is on a timer of when it shows
You made a very good choice by buying the 4-4-0. I got the same one from a model train specialist store, and it’s one of the best working engines on my layout. *quite unfortunately, the store closed earlier this year, so now I need to rely on the unpredictable hobby shop.
I hope youll consider coming to the Amherst Train Show at the Big E fairgrounds this year! It takes place the end of January! Er... next year... i can add good...
Whoa whoa whoa! You can’t do that. You can’t flash a clip of some random girl and not tell us who she is! Lol. What did she buy? The Hershey train? Also, another faux pas, you can’t cut the railfan video and leave us hanging. Hahaha. My wife is upset that we didn’t go. She loves Massena. Next year. Ice cream is on us. 😉 Great video as always.
I saw my rail road on that last table of N scale the red and yellow Florida East Coast road number 801. I see it all most every day when i get off of work
If you want a 4-4-0, I would recommend getting one of the new-tooled Bachmann ones. The one you have is actually an older model, as the new one is loco drive, and runs much smoother and is far more reliable. They aren’t cheap, but I’d say it’s one of Bachmann’s better models from recent years.
Nothing against older models though, just Bachmann used to have terrible build quality…
I gotta find one of those in n scale that's not tender driven. If that even exists
@@crazygamer0518 don't think they have done one, hopefully one cones out soon though. Then again it would be really hard to fit a motor in that...
@@modelrailfan37 I swear I've seen one but it is like a bigger size but I mean if you can fit a motor in like a switcher or a trolly or even tiny rc cars. I don't see why you couldn't put a motor in the engine 😂
@@crazygamer0518 huh, didn’t know about that version. I know saying you couldn’t fit a motor inside the engine sounds silly (and I could be completely wrong on this, with technology these days you might be able to fit a motor in the locomotive), but the boiler is very narrow meaning that there really isn’t much space for one. This is why the HO version was tender driven for so many years, as for a while it was not possible to fit a motor into the narrow boiler. I have a feeling that the same problem might still be the case in N Scale, but you never know, so fingers crossed it is possible, and hopefully someone will make a proper version one day!
That looks nice Harrison, At such meetings you will always come across something, I Also watch your Channel a lot, Where you show your programs,And you come across locomotives that are older than us, But you get them at the talk, Harrison, I Wish you and your family from Belgium a Merry Christmas and a Good New Year and a healthy 2024 Greetings Henk Van Zitteren😀😉
KATO is like the Toyota of model trains. Not the flashiest, but reliable and dependable. They just work.
That about sums it up. Toyota and Kato are both Japanese brands so I guess it makes sense
Lol that’s true! Athearn Bluebox locos are the same in that regard too, but then again it’s even more of a funny coincidence with Kato, since both them and Toyota are very well known in Canada and The U.S, even though they originate from the other side of the ocean! Japan is so advanced with technology and transportation, and both companies really show that (okay, I guess one only does in miniature)!
I liked Lorenzo's details on the tornado, i love how many details and little easter eggs train people put in their layouts and the work they do in general. I've never had a model train and i've never even held one but i love everything about that hobby, everyone seems to really friendly.
He's growing peach fuzz!!! Our SMT is growing up so fast 😭😭😭
It was nice to meet you and your dad and girlfriend. In person and to talk to. Hope to see guys in Syracuse in November 4th and 5th
Brilliant take on the “to run or not to run” dilemma, I know a guy at my local model railway club who owns several models in the region of 50 to 70 years old which have never been run, and he’s slowly getting through the process of getting them all running, I actually managed to get a job fixing models for him after he bought a never before used Airfix Royal Scot to the club, ran, but noisily because it hadn’t been oiled, told him how to get into it to oil all the gears and now he trusts me with fixing his collection!
Watching you unbox the trains takes me back so long ago . You never lose the memories of buying a new engine , rolling stock , or a building . Very Nice !
I feel train show season creeping in, can't wait to get to some
Mmmm, gimme some of those surplus kits...
Cool. I went to the Winnipeg yearly train show today. Trying to find a older CP switch but didn't have any luck, maybe next year.
Hi, i am originally from wpg. how busy was it?
@@czwij super busy, I've never seen that many people there before and I've been going for years.
good to hear!
I’m a simple man. I see a SMT video, and watch a SMT video
I've seen pictures of that Mantua logging tank engine on the back of a few old Mantua Classics boxes I have, so it's super exciting to actually see someone run it for the first time. Also, I'd LOVE to see more work on the N scale layout.
Great video. Thank you for sharing it with all of us.
The 4-4-0 is so nice and I loved that tornado
Looks like a well setup Train Show - But prices seem high on some of the Lionel Locos. Gary from Michigan 🚂
If you see that the last axle of the Mantua is really attacked by zinc plague, remove the axle and coat the affected wheel part with phosphoric acid (common rust converter for cars). After half an hour, washing it thoroughly and repainting the wheelset stops the decomposition.
never knew this trick! I'll have to give it a try.
Neat trick I'll have to try it.
the tornado is not beautiful maybe but WHAT A GENIUS IDEA!!! And well made. Very unusual to see.
Thanks for this video, allows me to see the show I barely got to see due to being constantly busy with my displays. Good to see you as always!
I loved that model tornado! I also have never seen anything like it on a model railroad.
Definitely really cool. I was hoping for the best with that 2-6-6-2 tank engine. But like you said sitting isn't good for them.
I would never spend money on an engine that I haven't seen ran, especially from a train show.kato makes a awesome product... I have many in HO scale and N scale. I work right next to their main hub in Schaumburg, Illinois. Walk-ins welcome it's open to the public.
Nice 'N' Scale Train!!!!
I used to go to a lot of train shows, and an easy thing to do to sort of test DC locos to see if they run is to just take a 9 volt battery and touch the wheels to it. If it runs well on that, it should be OK. If it barely goes, make an offer, "Since it needs work". I used to get basket cases pretty cheap. Once in a while, a dead one was a really simple fix, but usually it involved some petty involved efforts to make it work. I got an old brass RS-3 that had "foam rot" on one side for $20. It ran fine and I took it to a friend's and he had a soda blaster and while it would never be perfect, it ended up looking OK in PC black.
Beautiful blue train 🚂 and Kano set well done SMT
Kato
I’m glad you found some treasures at the show Harrison!
My man traveled all the way to Liberty City just to buy some model trains, massive respect.
The mana timber locomotive with the Weyerhaeuser logo caught my eye but even cooler, that timber company originated in my small town in Washington. Small world
Class 105 (Locobase 4066)
Data from [], supplemented by DeGolyer, Vol 80, pp. 216+ and 228+. See Locobase 3643 for a discussion of the split-saddle tank design. Works numbers were 60784-60785 in April 1929 and 61355 in May 1930.
Two Prairie Mallet split-saddle tanks based on the compound tank delivered a year earlier (Locobase 3643), but with four HP cylinders, each receiving steam through an 8" (203 mm) piston valve arranged for 70% maximum cut off.. They were followed immediately by a similar engine with a larger boiler and grate (Locobase 4041), then a year later by a repeat of the design shown here, but with slightly higher adhesion and engine weights.
All were expected to handle 4% grades, 40-degree curves, and 60 lb/yard (30 kg/metre) rail.
All three operated for Weyerhaeuser until the 1950s, after which they were scrapped.
Class 110/1 (Locobase 3643)
Data from Jon Davis's [], supplemented by DeGolyer, Volume 80, pp. 334+. (Thanks to Chris Hohl for his 27 July 2015 email highlighting data from the DeGolyer specs that Locobase had overlooked.) Works number was 60561 in July 1928.
A Prairie Mallet "semi-saddle"(or split) tank, this engine worked logging lines for years, later joined by a slightly larger, younger sister, for which see Locobase 4054. Like the other Baldwin Mallet tanks, this compound used 8" (203 mm) piston valves on the HP cylinders, 12" (305 mm) on the LPs.
Davis shows that this Prairie Mallet Tank operated for Weyerhaeuser from 1928 to 1954 first from Longview, Wash., then from 1937 out of Vail, Wash. Rayonier, Inc of Railroad Camp, Wash., then ran the locomotive as a tender engine until 1968. After years of storage, enthusiasts at the Black Hills Central began restoring 110 in 1999. Its first revenue run came on 12 May 2001.
[] has an extended article on the 110's history. Created specifically to serve logging roads, the split-saddle tank Mallet handled the rough track and steep (4-8%) grades as well as a Shay, but was easier to maintain. And so flexible was the layout that 40-deg curves [146 foot/44.5 kg/metre radii] were well within the engine's turning radius. The Baldwin logging engines were a big hit with their crews because they were "clean" engines (oil-fired and superheated), unlike the older engines that threw water, soot and "other gunk" out of the stack.
Class 110/2 (Locobase 4064)
Source of information is an account by William Schneider for the PSMRA presented by the SDRM's website. See also [] . See also DeGolyer, Volume 80, pp. 340+ and 348+. See Locobase 3643 for a discussion of the split-saddle tank design. (Thanks to Scott Golding for his 13 November 2020 detailing of the tenders Rayonier added to these tank engines.) Works numbers were 62064-62065, 62068 in 1937 (62064 in June).
These unusual locomotives worked the Washington State forest logging lines for years until 1967. As built the Prairie Mallet articulated design featured split saddletanks on the boiler (one over each engine unit), which shortened the engine's wheelbase. The specifications describe the engines as "in general to be duplicates as Clemons Logging Company's Locomotive No 8, Baldwin class 16 30/50 1/4 DD 6 [Locobase 4052], except where otherwise specified and to embody modern Mallet construction."
Eight-inch (203 mm) piston valves admitted steam to the HP cylinders, 12" (305 mm) piston valves served the LPs.
Scott Golding's remarks about the Rayonier tenders are here quoted in full:
"Just a note that Rayonier added tenders to two of these while in our ownership. We didn't remove the saddle tanks, obviously, but wanted additional range on them, so we added tenders from other locomotives that we were scrapping.
C/N 62064, our number 111, got a tender in 1960, from our #18, a 1901 Ten-wheeler, c/n 18734, which we had recently scrapped.
C/N 60561, our number 110, got a tender in 1962, from our #101, a 1912 Mikado, c/n 38966, which we had scrapped in 1959.
We kept the tenders for use as fire cars (forest fire suppression), but at some point decided that we wanted our tank mallets to have better range, and had the tenders sitting around, so we pressed them back into service. Best I can tell, both lokeys kept their tenders when we sold them, though I don't see that the one at Black Hills still has / uses that one. "
After stints with Weyerhaeuser (1937-1946) and Rayonier (1946-1967), Georgia-Pacific bought #110 for the California Western. The CW converted it to a tender engine, removing the distinctive tanks and fuel bunkers in the process. In 1984, runs on the Super Skunk tourist service came to end and CW #40 was donated to the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum Association, later passing on to the San Diego Railroad Museum.
Weyerhaueser converted the 9 to a 2-6-6-2T plus separate tender and renumbered it 8.
Class 111 (Locobase 4041)
Data from [], supplemented by DeGolyer, Vol 80, pp. 222+ . See Locobase 3643 for a discussion of the split-saddle tank design. (Thanks to Chris Hohl for his 9 May 2015 email catching a ridiculously low adhesion weight because of a dropped zero in the entry.) Works number was 60811 in May 1929.
Weyerhaeuser clearly was sampling different variations of simple and compound-expansion split-saddle-tank articulated locomotives. Baldwin had produced two simple-expansion engines the previous month with boilers that would also appear in two different Mallet-compound tank variants. The 111 was bigger and had an all-simple expansion cylinder setup with each cylinder taking steam through 8" (203 mm) piston valves that were set for a 70% maximum cutoff.
Jon Davis of loggingmallets notes that this burly little split saddle tank ran for Weyerhaeuser until 1947 at three different locations. It then travelled north to Vancouver Island, BC, for Canadian Forest Products, where it operated until 1962. It was then scrapped.
Class 4 (Locobase 3166)
Data from [] and DeGolyer, Volume 80, pp. 356+. See also "LoggerHogger", a member of a TrainOrders.com forum who posted "Sierra #38 & Rayonier #120 - Weyerhaeuser's Twins!" on 9 January 2009 at 0700 ([],1844966, last accessed 2 July 2012). Works numbers were 61781 in September 1934 and 61904 in 1936.
Baldwin's specification book Volume 80 describes #4 beginning on page 356 and #120 on page 364.
Clearly, Weyerhaeuser wanted to put as much adhesive weight on 66 1/2 lb/yard (33.25 kg/metre) rail as it could manage. These behemoths didn't delve deeply into the timberlands, instead negotiating curves of a relatively modest 18 degrees (320 foot/97.5 metre radii) and grades that maxed out at 2%. Their HP cylinders took steam through 10" (254 mm) piston valves while the LP cylinders used 12" (305 mm) piston valves.
120, which was ordered a little later (order 16 36/56 1/4 DD 54) is described in the specs as a "duplicate of 16 36/56 1/4 DD 53 except where otherwise specified."
LoggerHogger explains that though both engines were indeed sister engines in WT, they did not work on the same line until the mid-1950s. 4 went to work on the West Side line running out of Klamath Falls, Oregon. Her massive bulk and size didn't suit the track and she suffered several derailments. It was only in 1952, however, that the 4 went to the Sierra Railroad as their 38. Sierra sold the 38 to Rayonier Company in August 1955 where the engine ran until 1967 when it was retired and put on display. 4 has since been moved twice, the second time to Merritt, Ore.
120's first service ran out of Vail, Wash. Later, WT's Chehalis Western used her to take logs to the Milwaukee Road junction. 120's reunion with 4 came in 1954 when Rayonier bought the former engine. Its career came to a premature end in 1962 when the crown sheet failed after the boiler's water level fell too low. Repairs would have been costly, so the engine was scrapped and the tender salvaged as a water car.
That green and blue GE Evo loco in the opening sequence! That's my favorite loco on my layout! Yay! Being from FL I use it to pull some Tropicana box cars. The Trop plant is within five miles of my house. The locos that actually pull their freight are usually CSX, so I have one of those also.
Thanks, Harrison. Really enjoy your content. Looking forward to seeing you take more old treasures and make them run the rails like new again.
I have one of those too, as well as the chrome-plated MTH boxcar right behind it. I ran mine many years ago on a display layout for a "First Night" New Year's Eve event in Connecticut.
Video here: czcams.com/video/VL-fUB57rIg/video.htmlsi=iCtPtVciJK3t5-7O
Just got back from the Mega Train Show in Winnipeg which was awesome, Harrison, but less extensive than what you found in Massena. Prices were comparatively better I think, for example with some used custom painted BNSF diesels selling for $120 -$150 Canadian dollars. There was an abundance of old Lionel stock -- more than I've seen in previous sales. Alas, only a single streetcar -- the ever available 'Streetcar named Desire' which is usually twinned in a box with a San Francisco cable car, as you filmed one in your video. Notwithstanding, it was a pleasure to visit, as you clearly expressed concerning the Massena train show.
I have that same Mantua Loco which also hiccups. I’ll be watching for your repair video.
When I was new to this hobby, I'd see model red-over-yellow Union Pacific cabooses and think, surely that McDonald's paint scheme can't be real. But sure enough, there's a UP caboose at the railroad museum in Sacramento and it looks a lot like that one.
It looks like a cool show and I hope you get those steamers up and running as well as they should!
3:02 Nice vintage Marklin controls on that layout
I bet you can get that logging loco purring like a kitten with a little TLC
Always got to love these train shows
Henry Dreyfus, streamlined NYC Hudson….Richard Dreyfus, “We need a bigger boat!” Great video as always!
I know it's incorrect, Richard Dreyfus Hudson was a joke someone made a while back on one of my livestreams and it's what people have been referring to it as on the channel since
Thanks for tacking us along to the train show. With a little work I think that you have did ok. Thanks Harrison for the video always a pleasure to watch.
Glad you enjoyed it
Wish I could have gone! I went a few years ago and had a blast.
The Layout at 3:18 isn't a club, but a layout owned by Jeff Filios- I know him from a railway museum where I volunteer. He invited me to help him set up his layout for the first time at Massena back in 2021. Glad to see some love for his layout, if I ever get a chance to help him exhibit again I'd love to bring some of my vintage HO collection up to run.
A friend who was at the show picked up the Cox 'Big Pine Lumber' loco at 2:55 for me, since he knew I was looking for a GP-9. I'm hoping to use it as a starting point to model Central Vermont Railway chop-nose GP9 No. 4559.
When it comes to buying anything old, I always assume the trains need work unless someone I feel I can trust is able to vouch for the train's operability. Most vendors don't have the time to test everything they sell, it's definitely a good idea for every model railroader to learn how to perform some basic level maintenance (especially when buying used/old stuff).
Always enjoy show vids and trying to guess what you'll actually buy. I suspected the American. All steam needs a break-in and I suspect old grease. You reminded me of when I retired. I bought myself a logging heisler as a parting gift. Cheers.
A unique collection of pieces. Well bought Harrison. Gonna have to forget about seeing that tornado. At this point, I need one😂
I love my KATO train sets
Great haul and video there my friend. I have recently bought four HO scale GE Tier 4 GEVO's from Intermountain. I am looking forward to them in due course but they will be put away for Christmas once I have tested them.
Very nice. FYI, there's a train show mid October in New Braunfels, Texas. Claims to be the largest model railroad train show in south Texas. I will certainly be checking it out. From Texas
Nice goods you got yup can happen train sitting for a long time but I'm shure you will get it going in no time
Good day, I occasionally stop by to watch what you are up to. Enjoying your channel 😊.
Please let me know if you would be interested in reviewing a HO scale German WWII steam locomotive (and a few rolling stocks) made by Lilliput. I bought in a flea market in France in 2019.
I am hoping to start building my own layout in a year or two.
I hate to say it but it may not be the locomotives that need the work. I noticed a few videos back that you have a passenger car that flickers horribly but only in a few spots. This is probably due to widely spaced pickups on opposite sides of the car. Both passenger cars flickered but one was worse. Old dirty wheels not withstanding, you may need some track TLC. That passenger car that flickers so badly is useful in diagnosing the track connectivity. Both locos stalled/struggled in the same spot. Otherwise, beautiful locos. That green lumber crawler is magnificent.
The track is fine. Those passenger cars haven't had their wheels cleaned in a while, same goes for these locomotives.
Unfortunately at train shows the dealers get the Best Buy’s before the public gets in the show..
Some really good finds! I am looking forward to my local train clubs swap meet this month.
Like with anything when I buy something no matter what somebody says whether it's New Old stock brand new never been taken out of the box or anything else I just automatically figure I'm going to have to work on it and do something to it that's always a good thing to just keep it in mind into just tell yourself that you're going to have to do something to it and even if it is brand new
Same here. Unless I know the seller, and feel confident that when they say it's ready to roll it's ready to roll, I assume I'm going to need to do something to make it run for me. I factor this into how much I'll pay for an item. Definitely an important think to warn the novice model railroader about when shopping for equipment.
Thanks for sharing :)
Really nice haul you got friend! I really like the mantua logging locomotive you have!
As both a train and tornado nerd who's also team N scale, that display was made for me.
The tornado was awesome
ooh child! i would love to go to just one train show! but i dont know if ill ever make it, maybe one day!
Kato never fails
I actually wish I made up that way. I'm glad to see what you purchased a Mantua logger loco. That is one type that I've been trying to get. I noticed you brought your girl with you and that's awesome. Like I said I wish I went up that way. I'm going to try to go to the train show in Marlborough mass which lands on my birthday in December. Last year I went to it hopefully I do this year but I also want to try to make it across the border as ive been talking about it eh. Glad you two had an awesome time.
It sucks that the Ho scale steamers didn't perform well. They are some interesting engines. Who knows? They may make a future appearance in a repair video. As far as, the N scale Kato set is a solid runner, and it's nice to see that it performed flawlessly out of the box.
I really like that mantua. They have some fun looking steamers.
That 4-4-0 was the first real Ho steam locomotive I owned at age 4.
Both steam locomotives stopped at the same point on the layout. I would clean/ inspect the track at that point
To smt your train layout is nice and your collection of model trains is great ,Our family has a passed in the Rail Road and I just love trains in general ,Our relative Eli Hamilton Janey invented the automatic knuckle coupler the lock and load system this is no lie he is a relative on my Father's side of the Family the US made the knuckle coupler a patten that passed your love Fan Matthew
There's nothin' like running your model trains while watching SMT Mainline at the same time, great show coverage and haul Harrison! Really enjoyed it! 👍
Figured i would share this with ya, got a Intermountain N Scale SD40-2 painted for the Pan Am Railways today for my bday, runs and sounds great!
Glad you enjoyed it. It was a great show despite the lack of vendors
So apparently there's a socal group called the baz boys, a z gauge group that does modular displays and in a video some one took years ago one of the guys made a tornado scene as well. I think you can find it in the video where it's a challenger steam locomotive going around the whole display.
I love Ho scale me and my dad have a bnsf dash 9 heritage 1 paint scheme from a train show
Lorenzo's tornado was awesome. That was the kind of modeler I was back in my younger days.
BTW I've always heard Kato pronounced Kay-toe like Green Hornet's butt kicking partner ( yes I'm old).
For a good running 4-4-0, try the older AHMs made by Rivarossi. I have all 3. The Inyo, the Reno and the Genoa.
The new Bachmann ones with the motor in the locomotive is pretty good too! Can’t beat the old Rivarossi one though for value though!
I'm doing some kitbashing with off-scale diecast trains, including Thomas and a few toy aisle items. One such project is to use half of two road rollers to make a modern track MOW vehicle. I'm also thinking of converting a couple of trucks into HO-scale hi-rail vehicles by using some of my spare N-scale wheelsets. Takes me back to when I started in the hobby 51 years ago, combining farm toys, Airfix military sets, car kit and slot car leftovers, Matchbox, Corgi Jr, Dinky, Mantua-Tyco, etc. In lieu of trains shows I hit as many dollar store and charity shops as I could in the past couple of weeks while the weather was still summer-like. I learned right away that I need containers to hold all the parts while I start a half-dozen different projects on the fly.
I know travel is usually a bit of a pain, but in Maryland (my home state), they have a big train show 2-3 times a year. Also, I will be going on Vacation in a few weeks and going to the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga. Might do a video and have some train CZcamsr's react to it.
There was a Walt Disney world Lionel O scale locomotive.. Lots of selection of things
Perfect timing! I was getting bored today
I enjoyed the train show video. Looks like you got some nice engines. It's nice to have a couple new ones!
righteous tornado; Kato = best; my Kato HO's are #1 in colection. #2 Genesis
Trainshows are The Place to Meet And Greet People. One Down many to Come Next.
Out of 3 Locomotives, One Green $120 🧱Brick ain't bad ! You'll have to pick out old crusty grease with a toothpick and put some new lubricant back in it.
Good to know train shows are coming back
Ive actually never been to a train show before because of where I live, But everytime my local flee market opens I check for model trains
That mantua articulated i think is based on the uintah railway mallet tanks
I actually was just at a train show today and I don’t know if you noticed this but i noticed that the prices in just rolling stock and passenger cars has increased so much I was seeing cars for $50
I would love to see this
Smt, if you want a better n-scale set up I suggest ttrak modules, they are all standardized so you could even set up with clubs at train shows
The Green mallet is really cool i have a couple of them and they seem to run alright good find for $125 CA
Nice train show
Your content is out of this world
I don't understand why HO scale steam doesn't have all-wheel tender pick ups like N scale does. That green loco looks a lot like the narrow gauge Unitah Railroad tank locos. It's hard to go wrong with Kato in N scale, they make some of the best stuff out there.
It's tank engine = no tender. Stanard gauge vs Uintah narrow gauge
The Black Hills Central runs a standard gauge version but with saddle tanks instead of side tanks.
ever watch petticoat junction? i loved the cannon ball on that show! i had a battery op. floor train that looked like the cannon ball locomotive and i pretended it was the cannon ball runnin thru hooterville!
I haven't seen that channel before
I would have bought that long black rivarossi double decker sleeper car.
I have a Baltimore in Ohio Blue 4-4-0 I got it in a lot with other 4-4-0s It is a lovely engine and it's somewhat rare Bachmann Made some beautiful paint schemes for there 4-4-0s Bachmann originally set them up to work similar to the Rivarossi 4-4-0s But it actually picks up Power for the motor only by the tender So it really does struggle over switch tracks. I have seen another layout just like the tornado but it is on a timer of when it shows
Thanks for the info!
Damn I want that shay
I bought three things from my local train sow today.
Love these kinds of videos! 🙌
Another sweet video! Btw always loved watching these videos!
Looks nice too me
I got a similar gg1 then you saw in a passenger set and I got some freight cars
love it
You made a very good choice by buying the 4-4-0. I got the same one from a model train specialist store, and it’s one of the best working engines on my layout. *quite unfortunately, the store closed earlier this year, so now I need to rely on the unpredictable hobby shop.
I hope youll consider coming to the Amherst Train Show at the Big E fairgrounds this year! It takes place the end of January!
Er... next year... i can add good...
Another Great video, Ive learned a lot by watching your videos.
It was after WWII AF would go to two rails the old style AF'S were pre war models made for 'O' gauge three rail track.
Whoa whoa whoa! You can’t do that. You can’t flash a clip of some random girl and not tell us who she is! Lol. What did she buy? The Hershey train? Also, another faux pas, you can’t cut the railfan video and leave us hanging. Hahaha. My wife is upset that we didn’t go. She loves Massena. Next year. Ice cream is on us. 😉 Great video as always.