RCBS Summit press & Small Base dies vs Hornady Cast Iron press & Custom grade dies !!!!!

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  • čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
  • I compare the RCBS Summit Press vs Hornady Cast Iron press and Rcbs Small Base dies vs Hornady custom grade dies. I also compare other Hornady Equipment vs RCBS Equipment.

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  • @jamespuig4858
    @jamespuig4858 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you so much. Now I HAVE to go back and see every one of your videos. I hope they are all a MASTERPIECE like this one!

  • @HikeHuntHaul
    @HikeHuntHaul Před 4 lety +4

    Great video! Thanks for making! I’m literally choosing between the summit and Hornady big boy A frame models. Thanks for the incite! Great video! 👍🏻😃

  • @GotAerialllc
    @GotAerialllc Před 4 lety +1

    40 videos later and finally find the one that answers my specific questions and even some I didn't know to ask.. thank you!

  • @yartp
    @yartp Před 6 lety +5

    Your issue with the Hornady sizing die not being beveled I find as a feature. It means it's going to size a little bit further down on the brass. If you're having a problems aligning a bottle neck cartridge into the sizing die there's a larger factor at play than it not being beveled. If we were talking straight walled, I get it.
    Personally I feel a small base die is a marketing gimmick. RCBS advertises it sizes brass to minimum specifications. Wasn't aware there was a standard for what is a minimum. I viewed sizing brass like the Price is Right, close to spec as possible without going over and it should work in everything.

  • @jamespreece4215
    @jamespreece4215 Před 6 lety +10

    holy hell ..This video is freaking Awesome!!!!!!!

  • @rckn-rndlwestvirginiarc4388

    Great video Johnny

  • @ryanfoster1592
    @ryanfoster1592 Před 5 lety +1

    Great video! Love your stuff. Good detail and make it easy to understand! Keep the videos coming!

  • @michaelvanwest6262
    @michaelvanwest6262 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for this video. I am from Brisbane Australia. I am looking at getting into reloading. I research everything before buying as everything to do with guns is so expensive here in Oz. You taught me a lot with this video. Thank you again.

  • @catholicseymour292
    @catholicseymour292 Před 5 lety +3

    Actually, that is about .0003 runout at 38.21 minutes .200 if an inch. Retired machinist. Thanks for the help with this video.

  • @uralbob1
    @uralbob1 Před 4 lety +1

    HI Johnny. Just found your channel. Great job! I've been reloading a dozen or more calibers since about 1991, am an ex-progressive loader. Now, I use only a Rockchucker and an old turret press. They both make beautiful ammo. You give great advice, and I hope to learn from you in the future. Thanks!

  • @tomharrell1954
    @tomharrell1954 Před 5 lety +2

    SOME KINDA GOOD THERE OLD MAN SOME KKNDA GOOD. Wooo hooo. Thanks for spending your time to do this. This is a great video. It required a lot of effort. Thanks so much for all your effort. Either of those machines are totally awesome. The proof is in the the concentricity gauge. The only way to get better that what you did off hand would be to go to total bench-rest standards. High dollar brass. Weigh brass. Weigh bullets. Same brass. No range pickup. Necks all turned to same thicknesses. Then build the cartridges. Use bushing type dies.
    Be very consistent on the press pull. This maybe would be better!!!!! Plus practice practice.... After all that the group sizes will only decrease 1/4 moa. The price will increase 4 times. Unless you want to compete bench rest there is no point. Your present set ups are the apex of loading.

  • @kris308100
    @kris308100 Před rokem

    Not a boring video at all. Very informative and interesting. I went for the Summit and love it. I really like your shop setup. Wished I lived in the US. My kind of country.

  • @robinengland5799
    @robinengland5799 Před 3 lety

    Always enjoy your videos, you do a fine job. Thank you!

  • @matthewmusselwhite591
    @matthewmusselwhite591 Před 2 lety

    You’re awesome brother!!! Keep it up!

  • @miguelperaza6615
    @miguelperaza6615 Před 2 lety +1

    I ALWAYS sort out military 5.56 and civilian .223 , AND only shoot .223 in my ar -15 and my bolt cz 223.

  • @Sevyns762
    @Sevyns762 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for taking the time to make this - very helpful.

    • @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775
      @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775  Před 4 lety

      Matt Schmalz Thanks for watching. I closed my shop in 2018 and havnt made any videos since but I’m planning on starting up again.

    • @Sevyns762
      @Sevyns762 Před 4 lety

      ​@@reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775 Sorry to hear that sir - best of luck to you

    • @DucDNA
      @DucDNA Před 4 měsíci

      @@reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775 Hope you have been able to reopen up your shop since you replied to his comment 3 years ago.

  • @johndavidplayer3406
    @johndavidplayer3406 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video been looked no at a summit press you just made my mind up to get one

  • @firetip198
    @firetip198 Před 5 lety +3

    This video is the Nobel Prize in accurate reloading with off the shelf tools or any other tools! The 2nd hornaday reload in under .0005 should get you the cover of reloading magazine! Then the RCBS Summit and RCBS dies... same thing in the 4th reload under .0005 (that's 5 ten thousands) walks off with the top spot in this faceoff for its overall accuracy and consistency.
    Now its time to move up to more accurate measuring tools just to keep up with these great tools.

  • @GeorgeGeorge7
    @GeorgeGeorge7 Před 4 lety +1

    Fantastic info.!! as for a ~vs~ test it kinda looks like the RCBS walked away the winner, but Hornady is great stuff as well! Very straight and honest testing , great job! I wish you continued success !

  • @cliffcollins697
    @cliffcollins697 Před 5 lety +3

    Most interesting! Thank you!

  • @terrybrightful1646
    @terrybrightful1646 Před 6 lety +3

    Excellent video learned a lot thanks awesome

  • @melissagross3180
    @melissagross3180 Před 3 lety

    good video helped me make a choice

  • @brianmfieldwick3494
    @brianmfieldwick3494 Před 2 lety +1

    In the 14 press shootout on CZcams the Supreme won conricity second only to a $1,000 German press from Europe

  • @dougharlow6037
    @dougharlow6037 Před rokem

    John, you don’t have to pull the handle down, then drop the bullet in. When press is up just drop the bullet in and pull down. Thanks

  • @vtblacksmithcom
    @vtblacksmithcom Před 4 lety

    Good job. Thank you. Can’t decide which one, first time on channel. Thank you for the video

  • @jaxwest6703
    @jaxwest6703 Před 2 lety

    It wasn't boring, well worth the watch.

  • @zrbsrbija
    @zrbsrbija Před 3 lety

    great

  • @DucDNA
    @DucDNA Před 4 měsíci

    Great video! I know this video is 5 years old, but have you tried the RCBS Rebel single stage press yet since it debuted? I wonder how it compares to the Hornady Iron Press and the RCBS Rock Chucker.

  • @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775

    Cliff Collins for some reason CZcams won’t let me answer the comments like normal. Anyway I got in a big habit a long time ago to size my brass twice. I make sure I push the brass cartridge all the way to the back of the shell holder then I run the ram up and size it once then I spin the cartridge about a half turn then I size it again. I know a lot of people will say I’m working my brass more than I should but it seems to work for me. Thx for watching my video.

  • @uncleremus5046
    @uncleremus5046 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks Brother, I’m a Newbie learned a lot.

  • @thehammer5703
    @thehammer5703 Před 5 lety

    Reload reload reload hell yes. Your videos fucken kick ass.

  • @martinscharf3902
    @martinscharf3902 Před 6 lety +2

    Hey! Very interesting video! I had a lot of presses and dies in the past. But had always some issues with concentricity and some other things. I agree to 100% with your opinion about the Hornady stuff! So I sold most of it.... The best results I have with Forster Bench Rest Dies.... Are they really necessary for me, probably not! But if you have the best feeling with them, they work best for you.... 😂 One of the next things will be a new press. Either the Rcbs Summit or the Forster CoAx. Maybe you could make a video about the Forster, at some time..... Thx for your *snowflake-resistance*

  • @PatriotPaulUSA
    @PatriotPaulUSA Před 4 lety

    Nice shop and video Johnny! Wish I had a place like yours around here! I have both of these and I like them both. I really thought I would use the priming system on the Hornady more, but I dont . I got a Frankford hand primer that is so much better than my old RCBS/Hornady hand primers. It really is the cadillac of hand primers -who knew?

  • @broup9137
    @broup9137 Před 5 lety +2

    Make more videos plz!!!!!

  • @jamesstanford8452
    @jamesstanford8452 Před 4 lety

    Outstanding video brother.You're a great teacher.Thanks, and please keep it going.One thing.You have what I have with the breathing.Get a sleep study for apnea.We need you around for years to come!

  • @MYates307RC
    @MYates307RC Před 2 lety

    Appreciate the time you put in making this video. What 223 bullet did you seat in the cartridges loaded in the Hornady Iron press? And what seating stem did you put or have in the Hornady seating due?

  • @vtblacksmithcom
    @vtblacksmithcom Před 4 lety

    Thank you I learned Lot. Think I’m going with summit And RCBS dies for my Ar 223 Wylde and 6.5 creed for my Remington bolt.

  • @martinklitzke8699
    @martinklitzke8699 Před 5 lety

    Loved the video! Loved the honesty! Where is your shop I’m ready to stop bye!

  • @litaspears7837
    @litaspears7837 Před 6 lety +1

    Good Stuff brother!!!!

  • @johnmccarthy6999
    @johnmccarthy6999 Před 3 lety

    Very good presentation. To be completely fair assuring consistent springback, all the brass should be confirmed from the same origin lot#, fired the same number of times, from the same chamber on the same day with no heat influence. E.g, rapid fire on part of cases where the chamber was overheated.

  • @quietoldman5764
    @quietoldman5764 Před 3 lety +1

    New to reloading, great video. Where's your shop in West Virginia, need to stop by for some supplies. Subscribed to your channel.

    • @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775
      @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775  Před 3 lety

      Quiet Old Man Brother I closed my shop 2 years ago. Wal-Mart was right across the street and I just couldn’t compete with them. Glad you liked the video.

  • @Gefan12
    @Gefan12 Před rokem

    👍👍👍

  • @jaybailleaux630
    @jaybailleaux630 Před rokem

    No one company makes the best of everything.

  • @miguelperaza6615
    @miguelperaza6615 Před 2 lety +1

    Johnny you must be the MOSES of reloading 😳 !
    Now! My question is: will a standard .223 FL die change the specs of a 5.56 into a .223? I often hear that .223 bolt rifles cannot shoot 5.56 😤

  • @sisleymichael
    @sisleymichael Před 3 lety +1

    I recently bought a Summit press. I was using the Lee Classic press. The difference? Night and day. Wow. My ammo is better, and getting smaller groups when shooting.

  • @rjinnh3933
    @rjinnh3933 Před 4 lety +1

    Overall, quite valuable and interesting info.
    But realy, should have fire formed a box of high grade ammo, prepped the brass and then made this vid.

  • @user-yr5ee9vm9e
    @user-yr5ee9vm9e Před 3 měsíci

    concentricity is not really a big deal with good dies....a good barrel is a big deal plus good bullets...plus u need to check your seat depth by the og running into mag issues u just set for .040 clearance

  • @danspowercleanservices6060

    Damn Good Video. Overall I think it was a fair a comparison as anything else. I am a Hornady user but I also have some RCBS equipment. In my opinion they both make the best single stage equipment on the market.

  • @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775

    Peter Acero. For some reason I can’t reply directly. Anyway it’s just the RCBS small base die set. They sell them at Midway.

  • @ianprice9376
    @ianprice9376 Před 5 lety +1

    Good stuff

  • @tiputipu777
    @tiputipu777 Před 3 lety

    The difference in coal is caused by different neck tension of the brass. Also, rcbs dies were clearly better. They didnt over size brass as much as the hornady ones did. Also, you can just drop the bullet into the comp seater even before you lower the die on top of the case.

  • @samsungtv4u
    @samsungtv4u Před 5 lety

    I have locknload bushings on my summit press. I think Lee quick bushings are better . But I go back and forth between my Hornady AP press and Summit so I have to use lock n loaded bushings.

  • @nathanhassey4724
    @nathanhassey4724 Před 4 lety +1

    Wouldnt sizing the brass the least but still under SAAMI be better for case life? I would say RCBS gets another +1 for the least amount of sizing

  • @jaymiller393
    @jaymiller393 Před 11 měsíci

    I’ve loaded thousands of 223 with standard RCBS & Hornady dies and have never had feeding issues. That being said Hornady dies win hands down due to there seating stems for multiple styles of projectiles and that why rcbs sucks across the board of handgun & rifle.

  • @vtblacksmithcom
    @vtblacksmithcom Před 4 lety

    Is your shell holder on summit raised. Thank you for the video. Great job

  • @vincef5832
    @vincef5832 Před 5 lety +1

    Wonder what you think of the Forster Co Ax floating design for good concentricity

    • @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775
      @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775  Před 5 lety

      Vince F I think it’s a great design and Great press.

    • @firetip198
      @firetip198 Před 5 lety

      I have the co-ax and the summit. Even with Lee dies the co-ax loads extremely accurate ammo for bolt guns. With the Summit I back the black die bushing off just above hand tight, oil it real good and it floats to center the bullet almost like the co-ax. They are both great presses.

  • @sweatmanjim
    @sweatmanjim Před 4 lety +1

    Like and subscribed!

  • @fredkilian4049
    @fredkilian4049 Před 4 lety

    Suggestion: Try a dial indicator that will read in ten thousandths each mark. They are not expensive on line unless you by a Starrett brand. You wont be straining to read the deviation. 0.0001 in.

  • @celsogouvea6339
    @celsogouvea6339 Před 3 lety

    Which press do you recommend me for reloading .308win and perhaps rarely a lighter caliber? A single stage or a turret one? Any sugestions?

  • @peteracero9408
    @peteracero9408 Před 5 lety +1

    Awesome video what is that exact die on rcbs and where can I buy one thanks

  • @jimcastillo8950
    @jimcastillo8950 Před 4 lety +1

    Hello, I use the imperial lube and noticed you put some in the mouth of the brass. Is it safe to do that? I am just learning a bit more.
    Thank you for a great video....

  • @noelrieusset718
    @noelrieusset718 Před 4 lety

    Hello,
    What I have seen, this press is the one for me, 2" shaft, cant get any better than that. It would lend itself to fine tuning as well which Ilook forward to.. By fine tuning I mead chech the squarness of the die faces to the shaft axis, etc, etc.
    I have been looking for some match grade dies to load some Remington 17.
    But not having any luck, can you suggest something...
    Cheers Noel

  • @3rdgentacoma
    @3rdgentacoma Před 5 lety

    Good vid

  • @brucelee1067
    @brucelee1067 Před 3 lety

    That a 1/2 a tho not one if am not mistaking plz correct me if am wrong 👍🏻

  • @kengarrett5015
    @kengarrett5015 Před 5 lety

    what was the brand of micrometer you were using to check case diameters

  • @michaelshea5427
    @michaelshea5427 Před 5 lety

    Its been reported those RCBS seater dies with the bushing&window add a few thou runout. Please try a standard seater die in the Summit press.

  • @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775

    For some crazy reason CZcams won’t let me reply to people’s questions. Anyway the last question I was asked was what is the name brand of my micrometer. I bought a 40 dollar micrometer at harbor freight.

  • @louisprovenzano5402
    @louisprovenzano5402 Před 5 lety

    thank you

  • @robinengland5799
    @robinengland5799 Před 5 lety

    Thanks

  • @AF-O6
    @AF-O6 Před 5 lety +1

    What’s the brand of your micrometer?

    • @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775
      @reloadingwithjohnnyray-bac8775  Před 5 lety

      AF-O6 I bought it at Harbor freight for around 40 bucks. Not sure about the name brand but it’s the only one they sell... Thx for watching my video.

  • @tonycking0121
    @tonycking0121 Před 3 lety

    Loved how you moved your rubber bumper down on top of your indicator. Thats not where it goes, it stays under your top cap on the indicator stem. You also need to clean your indicator stem it is moving back way too slow. Using your so called rubber oring down on top of indicator is gripping your stem. 25 yr machinist ge aviation. !!!

  • @josephkool8411
    @josephkool8411 Před 4 lety

    I wanted the summitt press and I was gonna buy it, but the rockchucker was so much cheaper so bought it instead. I feel like I cheated myself over a couple dollars. These things last forever and I aint gonna miss 70 dollars 10 years from now and my grandauhgter aint gonna care when she inherits all my reloading equipment. 70$ is gonna be like 70 cents by then

    • @fredkilian4049
      @fredkilian4049 Před 4 lety

      She will sell it for ten cents on the dollar!

  • @davebear8050
    @davebear8050 Před 4 lety

    "This one is a piece of shit" Now don't sugar coat things.