The Forgotten CLONE WARS Mastermind that Changed Everything [Tarkin Doctrine]
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- čas přidán 21. 01. 2021
- Wilhuff Tarkin is commonly branded as part of the empire, and before Star Wars the Clone Wars featured him in an arc, his antics during the Clone Wars were widely unknown. In this video, we take it a step further and show you just how involved Tarkin actually was with the Republic.
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"To the ch-the death star.."
Best opening.
Hehe
I strait up kept playing that back over, and over, again 😂🤣
The tarkin doctrine more like putting all your eggs in one basket
It wouldn't be Star Wars if the plans didn't have fatal flaws.
Many will say that Tarkin was a genius, but I say that is a overstatement. True his doctrine was affect if the Galactic Empire was at war with another Galactic Government or State, but in truth it was his doctrine that doom the Galactic Empire from the start. After the Clone Wars was over many wanted peace, but since the Tarkin Doctrine demanded that the military uses overwhelming force to destroy any enemy force it will bring seeds of rebellion with the needless destruction and death. Tarkin was a great general in times of war, but he singlehanded doom the Galactic Empire with his overwhelming might, brought hatred for the Imperial forces, and a massive burden for the Galactic Economy.
He was cold and calculating in battle, but his master plans were not the greatest.
I can see that point, and for the most part the empire did bring peace. Well other than the outer rim and parts of the mid Rim. I think Doctrine would have worked perfectly fine if they never fired the Death star on one of the most beloved planets in the galaxy. Many would have never rose up and the Rebellion will have a hard time getting people the fight for them.
Personally I agree that the tarkin doctrine was flawed in the same way, in that someone like thrawn had a better idea. He was smart and thought that a large fleet of star destroyers with effective fighters could be much more effective and safe than a massive super weapon
Plot twist, What if Tarkin knew that the whole time and was intentionally using that tactic to sabatoge The Empire from the inside by making them sow seeds of rebellion and burn through their resorces needlessly fast?
The Rule of Fear works as long as the people are more afraid of resisting than they are of being ruled. With the introduction (and use) of the Death Star this was no longer the case. Had they not made that step, the Empire would have done much better.
Mustafar is red
Mon Cala is blue
Tarkin is smart
Because that’s not a moon
LOL
Genius
Lol
For a time, the Tarkin doctrine was effective. It is essentially built on fear and deterrence. However, you scare people too much, that fear will boil into rage. And as we saw with the first Death Star, deterrence became a joke. Thrawn saw this coming, hence why he went with the new fighter project, the TIE Defender. But sadly, thanks to an inept Governor, those plans were torn asunder. Thinking about it, how better would the Empire had fared if they had abandoned the Tarkin Doctrine when it was no longer useful, and changed to the methods of Grand Admiral Thrawn?
Ironic, the path to the dark side help to build the Rebellion.
Fun fact: The Coruscant Shock troopers were based on the Gestapo and other police in Goering’s Prussia
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@@michaelandreipalon359 it’s Interesting at the very least
Tarkin's tactics were quite brilliant in ways but he vastly underestimated the extent to which people will fight for their own freedom. We see it through our own past as even the mightiest empires in history like the US, the British, the Romans etc. had no shortage of territories rebelling against them, even at the height of their power
Tarkin: I’m a sadistic killer and nothing can kill me thanks to the Death Star
Also Tarkin: proceeds to get killed by the Death Star exploding
"Yes, Rico, KABOOM."
@@geetslys omega lol 😂 That had me dying when I first read it
It's gonna be awesome seeing Tarkin in the Bad Batch. Man of those guys were annoyed by regs imagine how they'll feel about Tarkin
Man I really wish we see more clone wars 😜🤩❤️😢
The Bad Batch is coming soon!
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Tarkin's brother,Gideon: *Exists*
The mandalorian: *has a moff named Gideon,who is reasonable and deceiving as Tarkin*
Me: o_O
If I remember correctly. I'm certain Vader purposely got Tarkins brother killed
@@Angry_Peanut_52 in the EU yes. But Disney has no time for the EU, they have no material to work off of
It was his son actually.
Darth nihilus is the mukbanger of the star wars universe if you think about it. Minus the annoying sounds.
So not mukbang?
@@geetslys probably? Plus extra body count? Does that count?
Tarkin: No star systems will dare oppose the emperor now.
Anyone wanna bet after the Death Star was destroyed plenty more systems joined the rebellion?
After the big, scary threat is out of the way it's easy to hop on the bandwagon.
@@geetslys That and they probably pissed about alderaan and the death star in general.
Wilhuff Tarkin is the Tywin Lannister of Star Wars.
You mean Tywin Lannister is the Tarkin of game of thrones.
"And How it changed galactic scale warefare forever" that kept me listening . great use of word fam.
Relying on fear was the first mistake the empire made
Fear has the issue of locking you into a course of action because you know your enemies will only respect you as long as they fear you.
Thus, the second you appear weak you will likely be either openly attacked or stabbed in the back by people who now feel emboldened by the ability to kill what they fear, and this requires you to push the boundaries ever upwards, until you become a caricature of yourself only interested in looking as fearsome as possible.
From a certain point of view, no matter how self assured you are looking at that point, you are the one most ruled by fear of them all.
Tarkin's philosophy on war actually makes a lot of sense, and can actually be effective in real life.
8:31: *sighs* Yes, Geetsly's, we know about that hellhole.
Thankfully, the Empire paid the Jabiimi's ignorance and discontent fairly.
In the rogue one novilisation there is a memo from tarkin about how the death star would be used its interesting
The problem with the Tarkin doctrine, and Tarkin in general, was that he ruled only by fear, which does not work, because the moment you show any weakness, any reason at all not to fear you, it's like Pandora's box, there's no closing it. You have to use a little kindness, trick the citizens into thinking you care, even if it's not true. If they think that even if they follow all the rules there's still a chance they could be killed just because someone in high command was bored, they will find a better solution as soon as possible
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Mate you just tricked me into thinking moff Gideon was Tarkins brother 🤦♂️😂
Speaking of Tarkin, I wonder what the story of the Tarkin family is after the fall of the Empire. Tarkin was a respected, iconic and loyal Grand Moff within the Empire, but outside the Empire he was infamous, especially after the destruction of Alderaan. I can imagine his reputation and all that he had done dirtied his family name, a family name that was surely well respected during the days of the Republic and that of the Clone Wars.
His family where rich bastards who thought the best way to raise children was to send them into the wild for several weeks and hope they survive
Amazing.
this is a great lore video and loved it but i still hate tarkin for what he did in clone wars, next you should do a video on tarkin's war crimes or thrawns.
Thrawn had barely any war crimes
@@EdaugEthanbYT well, just wondering
I mean, we don't want you to not hate him.
There are many ways to turn the Tarkin Doctrine, the Empire's greatest strength, into it's biggest weakness. For instance, Star Destroyers have heavy shielding and firepower, but they're slow as a result of all that armor being built in. If an opposing force has over 20 frigates going against 2 Star Destroyers, the frigates are more likely to come out on top. If those same frigates are backed up by several carriers, the amount of fighters would be enough to harass the two Star Destroyers and fend off their compliment of TIE Fighter squadrons at the same time. The Tarkin Doctrine early on might've been useful, but it over time became a liability.
It reminds me of the pax romana or the Roman peace based on fear of the Roman legions
Ah, yes, the Death Star, the greatest recruitment tool the Rebel Alliance ever had.
Seriously, making your own citizens "fear you" is just recruiting for the enemy.
PLEASE do a video on the Imperial Army troopers and what their roles were in the Empire
Damn Tarkin.
3:35 "His concept..."? Wait what?
Tarkin would've done well to listen a bit closer to Master Yoda. I have a lot of problems with Yoda's teachings, but there's one thing he was right about. _Fear leads to anger._
ISDs for the population to fear... Lancers for the rebels to fear... I see nothing here that can go wrong!
What do you mean you didn't use any Lancers
Video idea, what would the clone wars look like if palpatine was not a Sith Lord but just a popular supreme chancellor
Cheers
The Tarkins’ helped plant the seeds of the Tarkin Doctrine
Wait no Tarkin didn’t know what the death star was until palp revealed it to him bc dooku originally had the plans developed by the geanosians so no Tarkin never came up with the idea originally but he probably added things to then originally designed.
Tarkin was involved in the initial designs, which I believe he handed to Mr. Sienar (the guy who made the company that made TIE fighters, among other things) in exchange for inclusion in a secret club that Palpatine had made. Anyway, this was before the start of the Clone Wars. These designs were then passed to Palpatine, who passed them to Dooku, who had Separatist engineers work on it--it was nowhere near complete by then--before handing a more polished design back to Palpatine at the outbreak of the Clone Wars. Eventually, Tarkin would be placed in control of the Death Star project much further down the road, and probably oversaw some more modifications (and overlooked at least one more--some random architect who was enslaved and then sent to work on the Death Star decided that having a particle shield and a ray shield over a particular exhaust port was redundant and removed the particle shield to save money), but he at the very least saw the designs before any modifications were made at all, and probably helped create them.
Have you read the tarkin and catalyst novels?
The problem I have with the empire's power in various media is that it is always said how powerful are the weapons capable of conquering entire planets, how brilliant it is to create a Star Destroyer with firepower to melt a moon and still be fast to the point of chasing smugglerships, and how terrifying is the idea of a Manhattan-sized ship capable of controlling an entire sector as it has been since the empire emerged, if soon afterwards only the main player or character of the plot appears that enemies start to destroy Super Star Destroyer by squeegee, capture a lot of ISD, blow up another lot. What it looks like in reality is that everyone has lost their fear of the empire because they destroy its symbols all the time by the thousands. Winning the empire's machines is such a action that every game or comic writer tries to do it with as many imperials as possible.
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Are you the Senate yet?
A comment from the ENTIRE Senate???!
@@EdaugEthanbYT are you threatening me master Jedi ?
@@geetslys a surprise to be sure but a welcome one
Hey #Geetslys, Knowing you're a fan of Star Wars and knowledge in the second world war as seen on your channel The Front, I'm curious on how star wars commanders and factions could do in the ww2 setting. Or any other era of warfare if you're feeling creative.
What strategies, tactics, and doctrines could translate into 40's technology, which ones can't, what roles would certain notable star wars commanders take/how the factions of star wars would react to the factions of our own world's past, and how could they compare to the real world commanders of the war?
Anyone is free to comment in this thread.
(Note: Said characters/factions must use technology that would be plausible to exist in the time frame their in. Wouldn't be fair if someone just pulled up to the battlefield with a star destroyer or the likes.)
Tarkin has a T face, so handsome. I’m jealous
Um.
@@geetslys 😂 sorry, but he does look cool
Peter Cushing does look nice, I admit. No wonder he became Van Helsing.
@@annuitcptis1447 Daala? Is that you?
"To the cl-"
Broooo, that first picture is my pc's wallpaper
This is Canon for me!
Okay but who forgot him though? Every time I see him I can't help but think of the days of the Republic, the GAR, and jedi generals.
Tarkin was not forgotten... At all
Wait what Moff Gideon is Tarkins brother?😱😱😱😱
Tarkin reminds me of the people who designed the Titanic. Never believe something, like the Titanic sinking or the Deathstar being destroyed, is an impossibility....
Ah the Tarkin Doctrine, the downfall of the empire. If only Sheev had listened to Thrawn....
wasn't Thrawn's ultimate goal to destroy the Empire from the inside?
@@cptpropane No, his mission was to learn about the Empire. The relationship between the Chiss Ascendancy and The Empire was kind of like a military exchange program. The Chiss sent some of their people to serve in and learn about the Empire and vis versa. Thrawn was loyal to the Emperor but recognized that Palpatine did too much to consolidate power within him self, which was the Empire’s downfall.
Basically whenever anyone points out how something is dumb or impractical in the Empire the Tarkin Doctrine is used as the excuse. The real reason is the creators just did stuff that looked cool then when people thought about them they made no sense.
Things like making your fleet out of Imperial II Star Destroyers that have small hangers and no point defense when you are fighting an enemy whose main strength is fighters, building the Death Star when a fleet can already glass a planet, making yiy main ground armour walkers that have a massive profile, a bad field of fire and can fall over.
Obviously in universe they should have listen to Thrawn instead and the Imerials would have had more ships, better fleet composition and better fighters and no big targets for the Rebels to destroy.
You are like these guys who point out that WWE is stage and fake.
3.40 was the death star not the separatists plan first, remember in attack of the clones and the first battle of geonosis
It was Tarkin's first, he gave it to a guy who gave it to Palpatine, who gave it to the Separatists because nobody had had the time to figure out how to actually make the thing work, and then they gave it back to Palpatine, who gave it back to Tarkin, who got blown up because one of the enslaved architects working on the project decided that it was too expensive to waste money having a deflector shield and a ray shield protecting the same exhaust port and so removed the deflector shield from both the project and the blueprints, and because some really high-ranking Imperial assigned to the project was a history-lover and decided to secretly back up all the top-secret Imperial files he routinely handled so they wouldn't get lost because Imperial security did too good a job of keeping them secret. I think. It's been a while since I read those books.
@@samueldimmock694 I see 🤔
Wait so is Moff Gideon from The Mandalorian canonically Gideon Tarkin or is that speculation? From what I've seen so far it's not official yet but I'd love to have a reveal to that extent in future seasons.
I don't think he can be Tarkin's brother XD
Tarkin is one of my favorite military leaders in star wars but his doctrine would be his downfall.
He's a lot like thrawn
4:06 wow I didnt know gideon was tarkins brother where did you learn this
it's not true
@@sheevpalpatine8243 oh thx I think he put the picture of the mandolorian gideon because it's the only available picture
SO YOUR TELLING ME MOFF GIDEON IS RELATED TO TARKIN?!
Gideon’s full name is Gideon TARKIN???
Please keep in mind that he is completely unrelated to Moff Gideon in The Mandalorian.
@@geetslys lmao thanks for clearing that up I had completely forgot about Tarkin’s brother
But possibly the inspiration
@@geetslys Why did you show Moff Gideon then as talked about him? That really confused me.
Today I learned Tarkin and Gideon are brothers
they aren't lol
Everyone makes fun of the at-at but I feel this design is intentional as it's design seems to be more designed around fear of a towering gaint tank rather than pure effectiveness.
Wait Tarkin and Gideon are brothers?
Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait. Wait. Gideon is related to Tarkin? _Whaaaaaat?_
Moff Gideon is a different entity, more likely the inspiration for the character
Gideon Tarkin and Moff Gideon on the Mandalorian are different characters.
He shouldn't have used the photo then. It's misleading.
You know, I still believe the Republic could have been saved by stopping Palpatine if are boy Fives didn't die, but it seems like every time are boy Geetsly's talks about the Republic during the Clone Wars and how it was slowly becoming the empire well before episode 3 kind of weakens that belief.
But you gotta admit, they may be complete bastards, but Palatine, Tarkin, and the like were pretty ingenious with all of this and how patient they were to pull it off.
I am research goes into making these videos.
The Senate was the biggest mastermind.
Definitely not Ozzel
Lol, definitely not!
I mean the guy wasn’t wrong in most cases he just was hit with magic abd well magic basically brakes everything eventually
Who forgot Tarkin?
They never should have dissolved the Navy and Star fighter corps of the republic
From a certain point of tarkin was trying to be a good guy
So how did the mandalorian retcon an Afro Chilean man as the brother to a Briton aristocrat
Willhuf's brother, Gideon Tarkin, was a military guy who died in 5 BBY
Mando's Gideon is another dude who is a Moff
@@cptpropane ok thats an odd coincidence that fixes that
@@wizard_of_poz4413 yeah, it's an awkward choice of a name for a new Moff the show introduce: same as former Grand Moff's brother
I guess Filoni and Favreau just forgot that the guy existed (just check wookieepedia for appearances) jusy like everyone else (except the guy who made this video)
Even the full might of the empire was no match for the rebels secret weapon.
Plot armor
Yes the strongest armor to ever exist
Also known as "The Force choosing sides."
Hold up since when was gideon a tarkin
It was a bit confusing because they showed a pic of moff Gideon in that moment, but he and Gideon Tarkin are different persons
It's purely idiotic as a strategy. You're not just inviting rebellion with something like this, you're absolutely forcing it. If you can't maintain any level of trust, and you wield unimaginable destructive power, the only thing more suicidal than attacking said power... is not attacking it. I mean. Who the hell knows what you'll do with it and when? Who the hell knows. No one's going to wait around and find out that's for sure.
Isn’t Tarken that guy who got uncomfortable in his boots so he decided to wear slippers but then the producers of Star Wars had to film his feet off camera ?
Yup! Peter Cushing was uncomfortable in the boots!
His feet got crushed because his last name was crushing
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why they kill thrawn in the most stupid way and how some smugglers destroy a golan a massive golan station near 3 more why star wars is only about good guys and the punching bags
Well, Thrawn ain't dead!
Just about every story is about the good guys winning
@@geetslys They shot him in the chest. I have not finished the story because just being 16 and working and studying consumes your life.
@@geetslys the original one not a clone
I agree with Tarkin's approach. Cause enough fear in the enemy and you have to take fewer lives. It's pure utilitarianism. That's why the Night Haunters are my favorite space marine chapter. If torture, defile, and disfigure a small proportion of the population you save lives because the rest will be too afraid to try anything. Why do you think criminals were publicly tortured, executed, and defiled posthumously throughout the medieval era. Now because the law has becoming increasingly toothless, people kill each sensely other at a horrendous volume. Look at the deaths racked up every weekend in urban centers like Chicago. But his overreliance on a single project was foolish. He was too invested in the Deathstar.
Bullshit. The Tarkin Doctrine was a nonsensical failure.
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