A Rare Look Inside Police Training in Utah | "Shots Fired" | FRONTLINE
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- How might training impact whom, when and why police officers shoot? Watch an excerpt from the new documentary “Shots Fired,” from FRONTLINE and The Salt Lake Tribune.
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In Utah, there’s no source that tracks police shootings statewide. The Salt Lake Tribune and FRONTLINE have been working together through FRONTLINE’s Local Journalism Initiative to fill that gap and to go a step further: Building on years of the Tribune’s earlier reporting on police violence, the team has been trying to understand the patterns and factors involved when Utah police fire their weapons.
In some cases, the data is incomplete and the numbers too small to draw broad conclusions. But in the reporting team’s review of 226 Utah police shootings over the past decade, a few things stood out. More than half of the shootings were fatal, and the vast majority were ruled justified. Racial and ethnic minorities were disproportionately represented among the people at whom police fired. More than 40 percent of people shot at were identified by police or families to have had a mental health issue, a mental disability or to have been suicidal.
And over and over again, when talking about why they fired, officers referenced their training.
This excerpt from the documentary “Shots Fired” offers a rare look inside police training in Utah, examining how it may impact whom, when and why officers shoot, and exploring why a focus on worst-case scenarios in training has become increasingly controversial among experts concerned about police shootings.
“Shots Fired” is the first nationally broadcast documentary stemming from FRONTLINE’s Local Journalism Initiative, an innovative effort to support and strengthen investigative reporting in communities around the country that's funded by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and based out of FRONTLINE’s newsroom at GBH in Boston.
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remember, "officer safety" comes first not "citizen safety".
@@church7496 did you watch the video my guy
@@church7496 You might not start commenting at 0:00.
Of course it must be so. That's right. First of all, the safety of the policeman must come. Second, from the police team. Only in third place should be that of the citizen. The way it should be. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.
Idk if my comment got posted. So ill say it again. Cops are the largest and most dangerous organized gang in the country. You make me sick.
@@church7496 Man, I have three questions for you. Did you not see the quotation marks? Did you not watch the video and hear an Officer say exactly what the commenter satirically repeated? Did you not see the comments trying to pointing that out to you?
Half of the trainees looked like they were in disbelief after being told to "deprioritize empathy." Sickening.
Yet they do it
Yess that's the Iron fist of the law. Sure sometimes you don't want to be reactionary because you'll run the risk of being to late. Most of the times people don't want to die and people don't want to kill.
Yes, because they could be killed if they don’t.
@@stonep11 It is how they are trained, unfortunately. Training really does change a person. I am an RN and I was a completely different person before school than I am now that I have finished school. I approach situations in my daily life differently than I used to.
"every situation we send our officers in, doesn't require lethal force" but hopefully , with this training, we can get up to 99% lethal force in every situation.
“What are you doin? You’re supposed to shoot em cleetus! It’s called suicide by cop for a reason”
@@PostMalone-real p0
Law & Order works! Start punishing these people and they will stop doing the crime
@@LC-go1uh Exactly! They can't threaten suicide if you shoot first!
If a cop was just spinning his weapon they’d call it losing positive control of the weapon. If a person was spinning a gun on a table all of a sudden its called pointing the gun at you. That instructor is crazy
Yup as a Cuban Communist agent I'm inciting alot of division get rekt liberal capitalist
@Marshmallow Man and as an American I can say that people like these cops who are just fucking blasting civilians and people like you are the real ones causing division, especially when you assume someone’s nationality due to their name, you are disgusting
@Marshmallow Man this is sarcasm right
I stopped watching at the point. So not impressed I don't think I will ever visit that state ever! Toxic!
The instructor's got a point. Every time she spins the weapon, at some point the weapon points right at the officers. And her finger is on the trigger. All she was to do is shoot. She's basically pointing the gun at the officers. And to whoever else is around her too, which she could also try to kill in one of those spins.
“stop the threat, not to hurt someone”
also the red thumb guy a couple minutes later shaming the guy for not shooting someone.
cops should de-escalate not just shoot and kill.
Exactly! This training is insane
That’s why calling the police is no longer an option.
It's frightening to think that calling these assholes for help can result in them shooting the citizens and as we know , rarely do they face consequences
Call them at your risk, invite them in your house at your peril! see: Cop Shoots Innocent Woman Holding a Pot in her Kitchen | FIRED & CHARGED On the tube
This kind of training is creating trigger happy police officers, not what you want at all.
_Au contraire,_ that is *exactly* what the police want.
Not really.. u dont know what u are talking about. There is NO TRAINING that d turn civillians into perfect cops. The training at the academy includes laws, legal power and the mindset. No one can ever come out of academy as a perfect cop... u r just talking for sake of talking... these individuals are people too. When they first get into the academy, they will go through every emotion in these scenarios. Thats human nature. If one of them pulls a trigger when he shouldnt, it doesnt mean he s trigger happy !
Insane that less than a handful days of this type of training is given vs none of de-escalation. No wonder the US has the shoot first mentality and high death rate.
This is the reason cops shoot first. What if it isn't a gun??
Treat every one as a threat not as a civilian, That is their philosophy. Cops are a threat.
This video explains everything on why police are so trigger happy. This training instill fear in them. It does not train them on how to deescalate a situation. No wonder so many people hate the police.
I think no training would be better than this training
He must be cheap
Hopefully Utah will get enough criticism about this and think again
I mean, their HUMAN INSTINCT was to de-escalate situations. Then these walking thumbs are shouting at them to just kill everyone on sight.
Horrifying.
Oh, and today it's come out that a cop in Arizona shot a guy in a wheelchair 9 times cause he was suspected of shoplifting. "Land of the free, home of the brave"
It's nice to know that we're not viewed as citizens, but as enemy combatants.
Exactly and we are funding these psychopaths.
@@tchalla7828 We should take away the power of the purse from these assholes.
@@ee-ef8qr We could also take away their guns.
That is NOT true! Guns are NOT toys and people ARE extremely dangerous. I'd love to see your reaction when you child is involved and gets shot by the criminals.
@United Provinces of Planet Earth First of all, you need to stop with the name calling. These are human beings not "pigs". They protect your family while you are snoring in the middle of the night. The majority of police personnel are good people! Second, I do NOT care about other countries, each geopolitical area has its own unique dynamics so stop mixing apples and oranges. You are NOT being fair at all and people like you make terrible cops because of your style of thinking. Treat the police the way you want to be treated.
This is fucking disgusting. The fact he dehumanised the mentally ill person in the role play in order to justify shooting them without any single attempt to de-escalate the situation is VERY telling.
Dude really said you're in the wrong profession if you can't extrajudicially murder someone after less than a month of training, lol. This goddamn country.
I agree with you that this video is problematic but you need to get out and travel the world a bit more if you think this video is somehow indicative of how Fd up the US is compared to the rest of the world. The world is a big place and much larger than the handful of progressive Western European countries I’m sure you’d cherry pick to make your point.
@@mark1mod08 saying “well America isn’t as bad as war torn third world countries and failed states” isn’t the argument you think it is bro 😂😂😂
@@ceoofperc5353 saying that anything outside the west is the “third world” is the definition of racism. Bro. Get out and travel more.
Their literally in a class teaching them how to deal with a mental health call and he’s trying to teach them to kill that person. He even dehumanises them calling them a “mental subject”.
Robot, robocop, or android.
You don't need empathy skills when learning math or chemistry or stuff like that.
If someone would ask... Do you want to become android?
Everybody would say no.
But they agree to the less specific word "cop".
but sometimes it's the same.
All this talk about people coming into the country and committing crimes against us.. in reality, we have heinous crimes being committed against us by our very own “protectors”.. Pretty sick
Logic dictates that if you train people for the 1% of scenarios, you were not training them to recognize the 99%. It’s not an all or nothing. Perhaps officers that cannot recognize the 99% of non-violent encounters should not be expected to handle even more risky scenarios.
5 to 6 days of training is insane smh
20 days would be too little.
and then granted the power to legally kidnap and kill people.
and then they get a job as a police officer and they're given a gun. ill prepared, shitty trained
Thats 5 to 6 days too much. If this is what they call training, then a cop should have no training.
My driving school was 2 weeks.
When I was 16, I once had a cop point a gun at me in my own front yard. They weren't responding to a call or anything. Just walked up on me, pointed a gun, figured nothing was wrong, and left. Psychos.
When I was 16 I saw a unicorn jump over a rainbow and shit gold.
@@adoe2305 no you didn't
@@adoe2305 Did you get better? My cousin used to hear trees talking to him but the doctor put him on lithium and it stopped.
@@adoe2305 Autism can be treated, my dude. With proper therapy and socialization, you could be reasonably normal someday.
@@armyofninjas9055 Autism doesn't cause delusions It is not a form of psychosis You are trying to show his ignorance but end up showing your own
did everyone see that? she shot someone with their hands up......unbelievable....
That was insane. She is not fit
@@MrLMD1234 That's where you're wrong friend. She's exactly the kind of cop they want on the force. The rest of us... not so much.
This is worse than I imagined their training to be. No wonder they're so trigger-happy.
That scene where the guy tries to soul check his class is pretty telling. I, as a black person, would rather have police that DO second guess taking a life than police who are mentally prepared to kill indiscriminately. And the fact that he was audibly disturbed by the fact that his class would 2nd guess killing someone was actually heartening. I'm glad he's offended. Because I'm sure the class could tell too and maybe *that* will make them 2nd guess his "killology" philosophy that is so rampant in police training.
Yes but heres the issue that i think youre missing (or maybe I misread). Its not about killing someone. Its about not getting killed and making sure other people dont either.
@@Black-mq3xn lol but the only option their tiny brains can think of is to kill their way out of a dangerous situation.
@@napoleonbonerfart278 It's not the way we're actually taught though. The one thing I hate about these videos is the context is sometimes lacking. Obviously, the whole video of the entire event and speech on the part of the instructor isn't there. Snippets can easily send a completely different message.
@@Black-mq3xn the other side of this is training when they KNOW they are being filmed. Snippet or not this is their best foot forward. That is concerning and once you back it with how lacking our cops are in training/qualifications/regulations in comparison to other 1st world nations is a problem.
Exactly but it’s obvious that the whole reason for this training is to erase any empathy a cop may have in a real situation. They’re trained to shoot first and ask questions later which is why we see people like breonna taylor and elijah mccain losing their lives to poorly trained, trigger happy law enforcers, on a regular basis in America.
In the military, on the battlefield, soldier safety is the least concern.
The number one concern is the mission.
I'm not criticizing police; I'm just saying if they put the mission of protecting the public over their personal safety wouldn't there be less police brutality?
Not only police brutality but less policing as well. When it happens police would not stop random people who might commit crimes concerning their personal safety. This may lead to incompetence or even worse (corruption).
People think that police jobs are some kind of noble vocation but they are just like any public service(lawyers,doctors,teachers and politicians). Police might some times work for passion but it’s mostly for pay check and getting back home safely to their family remains their top priority.
This is not war nor a battlefield!
Firefighters only go out when there's a call. Why do cops spend some much time and tax money on driving around?
Their mission SHOULD be protect the population. But we all know that's not reality.
I mean, the mission can be corrupted. The United States military has shown that time and time again. But perhaps a new emphasis on the mission should be the point.
Awesome, our cops are being trained to view grandmas and kids as enemy combatants. Very cool guys, great job.
This is insane
Not to be rude but what is the alternative only train with adult males, just doing that leaves a lack of comprehensive training.
@@kaiwoessner6558 Oh snap you're right. I forgot cops have to be ready at a moments notice to blow a hole in a 6 year old if the cop feels their life is threatened.
If that kid or grandma is pointing a gun at the police what else should they do? Throw lollipops at them?
@@8alltime Because roving gangs of strapped 6 year olds and drug cartels exclusively made up of women over 70 with names like Eunice are a well known public menace.
I’m sorry you don’t just get to join the police force and then immediately proclaim that your personal safety comes first above everything else.
Imagine if firemen behaved the same way. They’d show up to a fire, wait for it to burn down until the flames pose no possible threat to them, put it out, and then proclaim themselves heroes on top of the ashes of the people they refused to save.
Consider this: A dead firefighter can't fight future fires. A dead police officer cannot assist future citizens. This is why officer safety must come first.
@@jonathanbrenneman582 they might as well be dead if they refuse to do their jobs. You can't say anything to me that I haven't already thought of.
@@jonathanbrenneman582 A dead cop also can't kill random civilians. Their job is to save lives, not take them.
This aged well. The police at Uvalde stood outside and watched the fire burn for this exact reason
Wow this is an excellent analogy my friend!
If you're putting your own well-being of ahead of the public's that you're getting paid to protect and serve... Maybe you should rethink about becoming a cop... 'Nuff said!!!...
I can feel the violence in the teacher voice !
They are trained to shoot first ! That's sick as f**k !
They arent civilians..
@@lissaleggs4136 But it is their job to work to protect civilians, not to treat every citizens like a positively identified enemy combatant.
Cause they ain't right. There's something off in their heads.
@@100perdido
Most cops begin as introverts then become extroverts behind the badge.
@@omicronsdelta3276
They know basic criminal law and they enforce the law when they feel its needed. From broken tail light to 1st degree murder is their range.
It is their sworn duty to enforce the law. They didnt write the laws but enforce them.
Officer safety is not the first priority. They should not be trained for that.
Why?
@@Black-mq3xn cause a cops job is to protect others
@@stv0863 Yes, but I can't protect others if I don't ensure my safety as well. We are trained to neutralize the threat before any further damage can occur. If it's as simple as verbally getting them to comply, great. But if further action must be taken, so be it.
We aren't sacrificial items
@@Black-mq3xn ..............
@@stv0863 And yet here you are on CZcams pretending to know what youre talking about
What a bunch of psychos they are able to create in such a short time.
I live in Utah and I am sorry to say Utah has many of the worst officer's you will find. Of course most are good honest decent cops but from personal experience I can honestly say this. I was seriously hurt by many and had to call the FBI and state and county authorities on them. Many were fired or retired including 2 police chiefs. My crime was complaining about noise from a business next door. They were poorly trained and horribly dishonest and didn't abide by the law. I don't trust any of them.
...sad to hear! Glad you came through!
It is really not surprising if this is their training There is no reason to assume that their selection process would be any better
They should make people feel safer but they make the world a scarier place
Police are obsessed with their own safety serve and protect not suppress and kill. Police are civilians lest we forget
They arent civilians.
@@lissaleggs4136 they're civilians, municipal revenue agents.
@@MatthewSmith-du5dy
They are Law enforcement and can end your life if you are a threat. That isn't a civi.
They can also detain you and lock you up in a jail cell. Lets see you try that.
@@lissaleggs4136 civilians with arresting powers. Nevertheless, you're putting them on some weird pedestal. Relax broski
@@lissaleggs4136 they are civilians , if you're in the military and just decide to quit you go straight to the brig, if you're a police officer you can quit anytime you'd like.
No wonder our cops are so aggressive... Sick mind screwing training
They're so obsessed with officer safety, a police officer's safety is more important to them than a civilian's safety. they use military style language and view everyone as an "attack vector" or a "threat" that has to be "neutralized". Being a police officer isn't particularly dangerous either, COVID is leading cause of death among police officers. Trucking is more dangerous than being a police officer.
Notice he said something to the effect of an officer's life being more important than a mental something or other.
3:45 😕
Roofing and Logging are more dangerous.
There are dozens of occupations that are more dangerous than being a police officer. Somehow, they find the biggest, dumbest cowards to fill the spot.
it's so bizarre
At 3:00 is EXACTLY the problem with police. They literally train you to have zero empathy and to respect your own life ABOVE the other persons. When in reality you should be training them to do whatever raises the chance of BOTH lives being saved. They dgaf about the other life.... only the officers life. Its sad asf honestly and I'm embarrassed to be from Utah watching this.
They aren’t training them to have no empathy, their empathy for each other is being manipulated at the expense of the stranger. It’s a much more effective tactic for turning people into killers because most people aren’t psychopaths, and people naturally have more empathy for those like them than those unlike them.
Here in Germany, cadets are trained for over 2 years...
Oh great, the Germans are here to flex on us. We get it, this is embarrassing.
@@oMaJoJ germans always flex on us, they played a huge role why US is global power
@@tchalla7828 damn right because we got you to the moon:D youre welcome:)
Someone else pointed it out, cops in the US frequently need a 2 year degree with military or a 4 year, both combined with a 6 month academy
Thank you for uploading this so the world can see how terrible police training is.
Always been lmao
Well, don't let this discourage you. I have been through two police academies and none of them went this way. I assure you, they did not. They talked more about de-escalation than they did escalating a situation. However, that is one problem with police training in the United States. It is taught independently state by state. This means that the amount of training that each officer receives from one state to another is extremely different.
"Why is a gun the first resort" as an FTO it was extremely important to let the newbies know that you better have a good knowledge of you're surroundings before you consider engaging. If you're only interested in firing a weapon, you need to rethink your career.
Yes. There were obvious circumstances there where retreating was an option but they shot anyway and he criticised those who wouldn't have
@Chishio Chishio I have to agree, however there are definitely police officers who are doing the work to make the changes. The leadership dictates how the department is run.
@Chishio Chishio there was a time when other agencies were assigned to respond to events that the "first respnders" weren't trained to do or recognize. I always utilized their skills and experience in calls, which is why I understand the premise of defund the police. Guns and military weapons weren't meant for the everyday traffic offense. In addition there definitely should be an oversight review body, comprised of citizens, with a good knowledge of criminal justice. They would review and report any allegation of abuse. Again, as an FTO I made sure to train and educate, however I always stressed that you represent law enforcement as a whole, always remember your oath and believe you're always being filmed. If you're ok with how that film looks when it's played back then you have nothing to worry about.
Unfortunately every police department really doesn't do that anymore.
@@deimosreign3662 you're absolutely right, however we have a say in how our community is served by OUR local law enforcement agencies, somehow "to protect and serve" was lost and replaced with react and escalate. Look, I'm not saying this to be critical of the police, I just remember the partnership and collaboration that we had and how the community benefits from it and I know if the community stands together to make their views known it may be something that can be reestablished.
Twirling a gun around with her finger tips like that would require more time and more movements to bring into a credible firing position than would be the case if she had her hands above her head with the gun in her hand pointing up to the ceiling. But sure, officer, bully your students into shooting a person because, in twirling the gun with her fingertips, it periodically 'points at you'.
And WHY for the LOVE OF GOD are they ONLY trained for a FEW DAYS?! They said themselves they are cramming 20 yrs of knowledge into a few days. How much are they really learning?
...the killing part is all there is ...that is important, APPARENTLY!
it should be a few years... its insane
The academy itself is multiple months long… this portion - is only a few days.
I don't think you realize that police academy is 3-6 months...
After seeing this training, no wonder so many unarmed, innocent (under the law) people are killed every year by police. Guess i never finished the "Protect and serve..." It's "Protect and serve... your own safety, community be damned"
they serve capital
"Mental subject" bruh fire him for even talking like that are you kidding me? This is pure brain poison for these cadets. Unacceptable training, foolish and lack of de-escalation tactics...
This segment of police training is only 5-7 days?
Reserve officers get half the training yet the same power.
Drilling out empathy…great.
No, drilling safety.
Good job, better safe than sorry when to get yourself killed because you care about feelings over safety.
I don’t see it as drilling out empathy. If someone were to point a gun at you; not even knowing you I would hope you defend yourself. That’s WHAT it’s about. The principle of self care and self ownership. If you can’t grasp the simple concept that you own your body then you can’t understand how to be sensitive to others rights without knowing your own first. IMO.
theres an IQ cap on being a kkkop. they dont want anyone too smart or too empathetic. theyre only lookn for thugs and bullies
I had too put in 3 years of training too become a welder and your telling me a cop takes 6 days ?
I trained longer to serve dinner to geriatrics in a dementia ward.
fuckn FACTS
Mountain Man : it takes more than three years to become a plumber, then you have to take several months of training to be certified, and yet you need 5 years of experience to be consider to be hiring as such.
When 6/7 people who are passionate enough to enroll in a police academy, knowing their jobs is to stop criminals, are instinctively doubting shooting the suspect, knowing fully their lives could be on the line, you would think that its probably safe to not shoot.
If officer safety truly were important to that instructor, there's be much more emphasis on retreating, taking cover and de-escalation. Even in most martial arts classes intended for street fighting (but also other martial arts classes), one of the first things you may learn is that you can win a fight by simply not engaging in one, or fleeing from one when possible and safe to do so. Of course officers should respond to calls, but that doesn't mean they should rush into any situation or stand their ground in such a situation when it could otherwise be avoided
So how about that school shooting where the cops all stayed outside?
@@deputyd5422 There's a big difference between rushing into a school where you already know a kid has been shooting up other kids for the past half hour, with more kids inside, vs putting holes into someone eating a burger in their car in a parking lot because you mistake it for a gun.
I was saying escalation shouldn't be the first response to every situation, and that they should be aware of the effects that has on a suspect and the safety of that situation. That obviously doesn't mean there are no situations in which deadly force and the threat thereof are necessary. Frankly, the instructions in the video (from what I remember) don't even help in a school shooting situation precisely because rushing in would jeopardize officer safety.
"Deprioritizing empathy" is a fundamental flaw in their process already. As arbitrators of the law and morality, and with the priviledge to kill and get away with it, one must have a sense of empathy.
Wow, as a Canadian LEO watching the first 4 minutes was insane to me and made me extremely uncomfortable. "You're in the wrong profession if you can't live with that". No, the instructor is in the wrong profession. What a horrible thing to say. It's completely normal to NOT want to kill or feel remorse or regret if you shoot someone. You need to always be prepared to effectively do your job, including lethal force, but infer what other Officers should feel/not feel after the most stressful situation he/she will ever experience is a typical bully! Also, showing empathy has de-escalated more situations than I can count. Far more than just pulling my glock out.
"The most important thing is officer safety..." If that were true they would wait for backup, not charge in like cowboys with guns blazing lol
That is precisely what they did for over an hour, in the recent mass school shooting in 'Uvalda'. Waiting while teacher(s) and children got killed.
@@ThatNiceDutchGuy Because they cared more about their own safety, obvs.
"Going in to someone's house to protect them" and then adding "you may have to take a life" is the worst combo of words ever. As a retired cop, there were so many other options to dealing with the girl with a gun. That is no where near a shoot now situation. Do better Utah!
I live in Utah, and we are 50 years behind the rest of the world. I wonder why ? Religious dogma !!
Religion is poison.
I would love to see law enforcement trainers/coaches from other parts of the world react to this
Well, I have attended two police academies in two different states and I'm a police training officer. If this training is unbiased and this is truly the way they teach their recruits, it is unacceptable. The two academies that I went to, spent a lot of time on courtesy, professionalism and respect. Talking yourself out of a fight, not into one. At face value, this video got to me a little bit. However, I don't know if PBS was being untransparent and picking out little things. It's really hard to say. At the end of the day, some of the things stated by the instructors in this video were still unacceptable.
thanks for your feed back, it's good to know that there are still good cops out there working "for the people" @@deadreckoning4132
This is horrifying. This man should not be anywhere near trainee cops Hopefully the force sending them to him for training will have a rethink after this
If you are unwilling to put the lives of others above your own, you are incapable of protecting and serving.
In my home country (Finland), police training takes years and we definitely doesn't focus "shoot first, ask questions later" approach... but... each country have their own style...
Yeah but in finland they dont have 2 amendment and relax gun laws🙄
How many finnish cop gets gunned down every year... Remember Utah population is smaller than finland.
guy at 3 35 is a sociopath.
I get what he's saying but the aggression behind it is disgusting. The lack of sympathy for such a tough choice.
Leroy Oterang
Explains a lot...taken right out of the playbook of the ‘hellfire and damnation,’ preachers! No wonder we have cold hearted police officers...they don’t see people, they see criminals even in grandmas and children! This is sick!
16 weeks? Wanna hear something fun? Training for police in Austria is 24... month!
This was part of their initial training, did you even watch the video?
Given what's come out of Austria in the past, it's probably a good idea.
@@weirdshibainu
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@@weirdshibainu what came out of Austria, that makes extended policetraining a good idea?
@@martink2953 A guy with a funny mustache that thought invading Russia was a great idea.
The cops in Uvalde must have taken this class. They did an excellent job maintaining officer safety.
To be clear pointing a gun is being able to defend yourself. The opening shot the director states to his new recruits he's training that " we don't allow people to point guns". We no longer have the right to bear arms it's a privilege an officer gives. Secondly the founders never intended for a armed group of individuals to patrol this land during peace. They crafted the 2nd amendment because of it.
The 2nd was drafted before we had a military, when individual militias were meant to be the military during times of war. Hence, everyone needs to arm themselves
@@minorcek letters of intent are filed at time of a bills passage. They are meant to show intent of the bill so Justices and law makers can establish what a law was crafted for. Many members specifically mention no standing army may March this land during peace and that it is up to the people to defend themselves. Federalist opposed this obviously. But the bill was passed and the letters filed.
To be clear, punctuation is important.
wrong. the second amendment was crafted because slaves outnumbered whites in the south and if they had ever risen up collectively white would have been slaughtered in the thousands. the point was to make sure whites were armed in case of an uprising, not an armed invasion and certainly not to support a coupe like the founding fathers recently executed to overthrown any governments. theres a direct historical line from the fugitive slave patrols to todays kkkops. you dont even know your own history. i guess thats why we practice satanic holidays like thanksgiving. the beginning of the genocide of the native people of this land. because ignorance rules the day
@@nonconformist9930 that is the dumbest Comment ever. Your timeline doesn't make sense and no letters of intent filed at the time mention anything you stated. Wow just out here spouting bullshit I see
when people say "Defund the police" They dont mean they want the police to be disbanded, they mean they want other more qualified people to handle certain cases. of course police are still needed for situations, but never for a suicidal person who already has guns pointed directly at them
Well said!! Yes!!! I wish this was common knowledge. FUND THE PRIORITIES-. mental health services!!! Obviously
@@PrincessOPD_Utah remeber that the USA nurses got insiffient funds during a PANDEMIC of bin bags for their ppe equipment.
Nurses and midwives are real heroes to the country? Not police or soilders.
Nurses need to be thanked for their service
I think it’s important to not give this extreme statement at all though. Because if we mean something different it’s up to us to properly address what we are talking about. We cannot blame those who don’t understand us when we’re conveying our feelings on something clearly wrong with a result entirely different than what we intend or should do. Also defunding an already horribly funded program that can’t even train its future police to try to understand who they’re working with and be empathetic is a horrible idea. Giving up on something completely is not a way to fix it, you change it. We give our so called political rivals ammo against us when we make such a radical claim. Forgive me for rambling on I agree with your overall sentiment but I heavily disagree with defending the intentions of the movement to defund the police.
Having worked jobs (GA pilot and construction) that are many many times more dangerous I don’t understand or have sympathy for their paranoid attitude. The guy was asked how many times in a twenty year career an officer would be in a life or death encounter…… the answer is almost always 0….. not 1000
Ive been in for five years. Ive been in over 30 situations where myself or another Officer could have been killed. Thats after just 5 years, dude. Granted, its Philadelphia, but still
I'm no expert. But if you get a call for the mentally ill, should you be trying to decreases tension. Like I'm fine with the gun drawn if they have one but don't just go in guns blazing....
the argument is that the finger is on the trigger and that means there is potential for an officer to get hurt, which is more important than public safety to them.
I would dearly love to return the policing to what it was in Canada in the 70's where cops Maintained the Peace instead of today's inforcement of bad laws .
It’s wild to me that they show nothing about the deadly force triangle and that the instructor basically tells the cadets that a civilian that appears to be armed is a good enough reason to kill em. Shits pretty base.
"They (Fellow officers) mean less to you than some mental subject" Wow this is why they shoot first rather than de-escalate the situation
It's harder to find a right answer to reform police training but I can say that the training in the video feels wrong.
All Psychos!!
So a person spinning a gun, not pointing it at you,it could be empty,itcould be a bb gun,an u want the man to shoot an kill the person? That aint good policing advice at all!!!
My husband and I have encountered police in the past during a traffic stop and these police had their hands on their gun the whole time. We were so scared that we were afraid to move and we let the police pull the wallet our of our pockets themselves. The training is awful, a fear based society is bound to collapse.
These Utah cop trainers are out of their mind. If you prioritize your own safety over the citizens you should just turn in your badge.
They arent saying that at all. They are saying you secure the scene before taking other actions, if that means eliminating a threat, then that's what you do.
"To serve and protect the community we live in and are a part of".......
And are afraid of..........
@@chrisgould9960 understandably so…
@@ftball57 so you say.
"To harass & murder...."
they don't even police communities they live in, it's all BS
This is sickening to watch. You saw the care that man had, in not wanting to shoot the woman spinning the gun. He cares about taking a life. He realizes how terrible of an act that is. And the trainer tried with every ounce of his power to stamp that out of him. The trainer will happily kill someone if it means an officer doesn't get hurt. KILL. He would rather a civilian be shot than risk anything. And that's sickening.
The uvalde pd took the „officer’s safety first“ to heart
This police training is disgusting. They're literally training them to shoot first and ask questions later. No wonder America has such awful cops.
Bang bang bang bang for 4 days, great training 👍🏼 officers need way more than that for themselves and for those they are to protect, overall academy is too short and these workshops are too narrow, it is a huge responsibility and it has many nuances that can save or end a life physical or mentally… more deescalation training and more safety training and more on the job mitigation methods and more cameras, you get what you put into it
Don't assume that Police Academy is 4 days long. The resource officer for my school in Utah went to 6-8 months of Police academy. The cadets only spend 4 days at the POST thing in the video, overall Police Academy is way longer than that
Well now we know why cops are shooting people left and right. He considers someone spinning a gun on a table as being pointed at the officer, and told them they should have shot the suspect. This is ridiculous. He humiliates them when they don’t impulsively shoot someone. No wonder these cops are paranoid and afraid of their own shadow. Everyone keeps saying they need more training. If this is the training they are receiving, no they don’t need more of this training . This is how simple traffic stops turn into a mass casualties. Not once do they bring up the topic of de-escalating the situation. They need to have training from an outside agency, not burned out cops.
The instructor hit it on the head. They only have them for a couple days. So maybe we should require longer training. I would love to see a 4 year degree based on psychology, social work, and working in mental health. Then we raise wages to match the training.
In Utah it takes 1600 hours to become a cosmetologist but POST is only 542 hours.
So if the reason for joining the police isn’t to put citizens life above yours (protect and serve), what is the reason to join the police? Just seems like they want to exert power above others like some occupying army rather than a member of the community.
What’s more important officers safety or public safety?
Without officer safety there is no public safety
@@adoe2305 Come on. You really don't believe that less than 1 million police officers as opposed to hundreds of millions of citizens is really public safety do you? That's like saying a gallon of cleaner is keeping the world sparkling clean.
@@vaughnlivetech7959 what a stupid statement.
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When did they start teaching "officer's safety" and "going home at night". That's why the officers stood around Uvalde and let those school children get slaughtered. I'm sure some of them joined to protect and serve the public but they did all go home that night.
Police Officer deaths don't ever come close to breaking the top 10 in workplace fatalities. In fact, they don't often break the top 20 with incidents per 100K workers in most years. While I don't wish them harm or to lack firearm training, I think we can tone down the victim mentality. Yes, it is a tough job, but maybe it isn't meant to be a 20+ year career job in dealing with people at their worst form of themselves. For their own mental health perhaps we should view police work as a tour of limited duty, 3 to 5 years at most except in detective work and admin.
Where did you get these statistics from? And why do people forget that guns in this country is at a far more higher rate than others and that we the second amendment that should be amended in my opinion. Policing is NOT social work. It's enforcement of the law and protection of the innocent. I'd love to see you dealing with gangs and cartels with this Pacific mentally. Good luck with that mate.
Experienced officers would make many small decisions preceding a situation to ensure the likelihood of it being a "worst case scenario" is minimised. So those guys being able to deal with "worst case scenarios" when all other options have failed makes moral sense.
However training rookies who don't have any experience and are going to be nervous as fuck for a few years in every potentially hostile situation to see every situation as a "worst case scenario" is an accident waiting to happen.
Yea make your cops be afraid, trained by traumatized cops who seen it all. I think where it goes wrong is the mindset of we're here to catch the bad guy by any means nessescery, instead of we're here to protect the public. There needs to be a fundamental view of what it is we want these people to do.
The irony of the trainer thinking those guys are in the wrong profession, when America is the only developed country to have an issue with cops killing civilians. No, the trainer is in the wrong profession, and it’s not an indictment on them it’s an indictment on the trainer. This training is dog-shit and has made our country a laughingstock.
These people only protect and serve each other, not the public for whom they “sworn to protect.” They make me sick.
The schooling and on the job training to become a Journeyman Electrician in Utah is 4-5 yrs. To become a police officer its 13-15 weeks. Maybe we should rethink our system?
Was a police officer for 24 years. Was a range officer and a supervisor for 16 years. I don’t agree with the warrior mindset or that idea that your firearm is the most important or effective tool. Yes, it’s extremely important to be proficient with firearms and you should always practice good officer safety but that mentality that everyone is a potential threat may lead to bad shootings. Just my opinion.
I think you might be on to something sir. maybe the 3000-some-odd killings since 2021 were all clean shoots of citizens who were actually trying to harm police Officers... but not likely
It’s terrifying watching this guy train possibly good and honest people who actually want to go out and help the public into uncaring monsters who care only about themselves and other cops. Truly amazing how cruel these people are. Just for reference (according to ODMP) Utah has only had 70 officers shot and killed in the recorded history of their policing (over 150 years) and only 132 officer die in the “line of duty”, 48 of those deaths not caused by any suspect (accidental/illness related). Policing is about 3x more dangerous than just living your ordinary life, but even that makes it SOUND worse, in reality, you are looking at very, very, very low chances for anything bad to really happen. This type of training is getting civilians killed, destroying any remaining trust the people have in the police, and will eventually get cops killed. This video shows that the cops don’t see themselves as people, they see themselves as above everyone, why do people still worship them?
As someone that has Epilepsy with Post-Ictal Psychosis, this is frightening. What if I have a seizure and a cop decides to put a bullet in my head?
Literally training compassion out of the trainees
For many home disputes and many other social disturbances such as someone mentally disturbed - it’s often seen that police don’t want - or don’t know how - to back off a bit and use good smart tactics to cool down the situation. Good cops often need to be a wise mediator - and not just an Enforcer. I’ve seen far too many hotshot Enforcers that are always “me big me strong me right you wrong”.
I thought it was protect and serve not shoot first ask questions later.
I had more days of training to be a dietary aid at a nursing home.
i love that people are FINALLY starting to realize that cops are actually useless
I've always wondered what it looks like to train traitors.
our main goal is to stop the threat ... erm no your main goal is to uphold the laws ...
Incase you didnt know theres a new amendment called “ officer safety “
3:16 Honestl, shocked me when he said that... How can you be so cold and unempathetic, taking a person's life is not something you do without thinking about it and the trainee showing his worries is absolutely justified. Saying that someone is in the wrong job because you can't deal with taking a life is absolutely stupid. Police work is more than training and shooting but this trainer makes it seem as if a cop's only tasks are gunfights. I can only speak for the laws, attitude and moral in my country but shooting the woman who was spinning the gun around on that little stool whould have gotten you in jail for about 17 trillion years here in germany.
I once watched a room full of Santa Clara County Sheriffs agitate & make fun of a mentally ill homeless man as he was handcuffed to a chair in their custody over the course of several hours. Doubt that was part of their training. Just a candid insight into the type of people that populate this nations law enforcement agencies.
16 weeks of training?! That’s it!!!???
I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but PBS, please, *please* take a look at how police use of force (and other) training goes about here in the Nordics, for comparison. It's all about calm projection of overwhelming force, slow, progressive escalation and deëscalation, not being trigger-happy under *any* circumstance, and maintaining trust between the citizenship and the constabulary.
Make no mistake about, our officers too can and will kill you rather efficiently if they have to. They get three years of comprehensive training, including a thorough course on the use of lethal force. Every single one of them is built like a tank, and they're single-minded as fuck.
But at the same time they're selected for training for being the calm type, and they're taught only immediate threat of harm is enough to justify self-defence. Retaliatory violence is not tolerated at all, and e.g. every use of a service firearm is thoroughly investigated after the fact by an independent panel of experts. In essence what US television series describe as the rather unpleasant process of an Internal Affairs Investigation, is here *always* undertaken, for *any* use of potentially lethal force. Warning shots included, or even drawing a service weapon. Or a tazer. Or OC.
As a result, the Finnish (and other Nordic) police forces attain statistics as low as about five shots per year towards a suspect, and ten deaths per decade. That's per 5.5 million people. At the same time, police mortality on the job is much lower than it is in the United States.
The instructor at 3:15 should not be training. He should be a high school football coach. Not dealing with life and death.
Excellent training concepts Utah POST, keep it up.
This explains everything
there is something wrong in a society when those paid to protect and serve are the most dangerous and lethal on the streets.