BMW F20 / F21 M135I / M140I Reliability 2021
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2021
- BMW F20 / F21 M135I / M140I Reliability 2021
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Super informative video. I have it with the manual- because I love the engagement, doing heel/toe/ throttle blips and the feeling of absolute control. Manual all the way!!
Great video, that was so helpful and soooo many questions answered. Back in 2017 I had my first m135i and I was in love with it! From the sound to the performance to….everything! Then couple of things needed replacing two years later and in a rush I swapped for m140i cause wasn’t sure if that was maybe the start of the big bills coming up( also the salesman at the time kept praising the b58). As soon as I drove away from the dealership I was nearly in tears cause I regret it straight away. You had to get a sweet spot with the m140i to get that kick back feeling whereas the m135i responded no matter what when or where guns blazing! I suppose back then most that start with the m135i always want the next upgrade which was the m140i, but to me felt like going from a stallion to a clumsy donkey. It’s still probably a great car for most people but the sound was awful, it is more progressive but I prefer the aggression of the m135i. Got rid of it and on the hunt now in the last 6 months to find my perfect second m135i ( not the new joke of a m135i AWD😂😂)
Good man just about trade in astra j vxr n purchase 1st bmw and get me a m135i but my mates say go for m140i witch just a lil out my price range m135i it is boi
Manual is about being engaging, not about being faster. And I understand your point about resell value. But as they get older the manual is going to be more sought-after. Especially since, as you said, most people went for an auto to begin with.
Really great video dude!! Thankyou so much
Exceptional video and info! Is this the car to go to if i ever get rid of my 2006 e90 n52 which i have loved for 11 years now👍👍👍🙏
Great video - very informative 👌👍😎
Brilliant content, thanks
Thanks for this video. I just bought M135i manual a month ago and loving it. I was a bit worried about the reliability, but this video proves I did the right thing to buy it :) And yeah, the fuel economy is not that great, but the fun I have driving this car is worth it :) Great car, much better in almost every way than my former E46 325i
Would love to see all the retrofits and steps, wanted to do Driver Assistance to my brother F10! can't wait!
good to find this video as I'm going to buy one bmw 135i xdrive 2013 with 110000 km . happy to hear such good news about it ..
Manual or Auto is personal choice. I respect your opinion but Manual is the one for me. I drove 2 autos before choosing my M140i manual. Manual is simply more engaging and i found auto boring after 20 minutes of driving.
I was surprised when I arrived in the UK and discovered that you can still find manual cars made after 2012. Before that, I thought no car manufacturers were producing manual cars after 2012.
Are the manual gearboxes on these cars good? like the M2, M3,M4, M135i and M140i
what about the f40 the b38 engine?
love your channel good luck..........🤠
I've had my M135i lci for 5 years now still love it , it's manual now running 440whp (at the wheels) you must let them warm up do regular oil changes , bin the suspension, I've fitted quaife LSD amongst a lot of other bits including pureturbos stage2 and definitely baffled sump , better sound than B58 , average mpg 25 . Fitted an AEM performance guage to monitor oil temperature etc.
I agree ! That’s something I plan to get mine to LSD is next on my lift aswell as the baffles in the sump as it’s something I need the way I drive this car 😂 but it’s much much better then B58 and the sound is much better all together. I agree M135i all the way.
@@BMWDoctor great fun car to drive 👍👌
I agree I get more pleasure driving this then my M5 not even a lie the F series as a whole is a much much nicer place to be. Not only that the drive and sound of the engine is incredible and that ZF8 I just love it.
how many miles have u got on it and have u had many big expensive problems with it looking at getting a m135i at around 20-45k miles just want to know if its worth spending the extra money for a lower miles one appreciate it mate
Got mine 6 months ago! How long do you let it warm up before putting it in sport mode? I try to do 10-15m
Does this video cover both the pgw and ewg versions? I heard ewg is more reliable?
I'm looking to buy one of these. Do you have a shop or can you recommend one that would do right by my (future) car?
Thank you in advance.
Great video 👍 lots of useful info.
What year in the m135i is best to go for? Are there timing chain issues as I know there's been alot of issues over the past few years with bmw timing chains..
Thanks
No timing chain issues with these.
In my opinion its the 2016 version, I will buy one too
Been looking at a m135 I loads about going to have a good look around for the right car
If I could afford 2 (or more) cars, one would definitely be a manual for the driver experience it's more engaging.
As I can only afford one car, I went for the auto as it's much better as a daily driver.
My M140i is everything I need in a one-car family.
Just a simple 200 cell Wagner cat has allowed it to be tuned to 455bhp/634nm, and the xHP3 software for the ZF8 makes it change like a DCT.
It would be very easy to get it to 650+ bhp but as a daily driver, I'm happy at it's current power level, I feel it is very reliable, and actually pretty good on fuel if I want to drive slowly (42mpg on a run).
I think the M135i sounds slightly better, but the B58 is a better engine.
Hi, can you get launch control coded in if it's a rear wheel drive, automatic/paddle shift? cos we didn't get the x-drive here in NZ. Thanks for your time. I have liked & subscribed.
I like this guy very honest , thank you I’m getting one ☝️
I love mine , for a 3 litre turbo the mpg is excellent .
Commuting 100 miles a day on the motorway , it’s averages 35 mpg
I think that’s tremendous
My most reliable car was a BMW 325tds from 98. Tuning box running about 180/190bhp, beat the crap out of it daily, filled with old vegetable oil, drifting roundabouts, redline, handbrake turns etc...... Did no mainstream ever. Carrying tools and plasterboard etc...... Sold it with 200k on the clock to a mate, he tuned it more to 220bhp and made it 220k miles, before nose diving into a hedge. Amazing beast.
Well man...
I was a really useful video, you know...
I m from Italy, and I would like to substitute my 125D with a hydentical M135i.
The 125D Is VERY special, as you know...
But the 3.0 6L BMW, well... I have to have one before I die... 😅
Sadly in Italy they cost a lot still...
bmw x5 2011
sometimes crank and start good after driving 30 minutes or mor
not able to carnk or start
am waiting for 60 minutes trying again iits working
please help me what is the problem
I got a manual one of these just over a year ago, and although the zf auto box is probably better for track use, i find the manual just fine for my use. And i completely agree with engine reliability, had a warning light come up so i took it to bmw, they wanted me to put down 4 grand on repairs, i told them to do one, took the car to a specialist just down my road and talked me through what could be the issue, and it turned out to be nothing more than a dirty sensor, so took the sensor out, cleaned it and done, no issues in a year and been a wonder to own and drive
Manuals are cheap to buy, Autos are not ! That’s why so many people end up buying these because manual is the cheaper version. And people will do anything just to own one, I have driven both and even BMW themselves will tell you auto is the way forward for anyone much better car in auto that ZF8 is exceptional on this engine.
I take it you have small screen nav ? As ones with all that manual and small screen are very very cheap I mean I see manuals around that nobody will even buy as soon as auto comes up it’s gone !
Why is that ? Well because when you remap this engine you can also remap the gearbox you can’t do that on a manual so it’s useless. And that ZF8 works wonders with a map 😍 sorry I just don’t find manual useful and I must be honest, my Americans would appreciate that either as they like me having autos. I mean if I was purely pushing myself out for the uk then yeah manual is perfect but I have a American based channel, which I don’t think they would agree me having a manual. Besides that, I love my autos I hate manual it’s useless for day to day driving and stop start city traffic.
As for engine reliability standpoint, let me assure you these N55 m performance engines are solid ! They are not like the last N55 generation fitted in the E60 and E90 BMW revised this whole engine are taking it off the market for 2 years before putting it into the F series and changed EVERYTHING Inside including the internals. If you don’t know the engines have the S55 internals :)
Don't watch other people videos on bmw just come this guy he's a no amateur he knows his stuff
Just had the rod bearings fail on mines at 57,000 miles which is just crazy, Cars scrap now! Bloody shame as it's a great fun little car and immaculate condition.
What’s the road tax cost for m135 i
do you guys know if optional extras are documented anywhere ( owners handbook?) when looking at a 2nd hand models.
It know this reply is late but someone else might find it useful. If you use Bimmercode you can quickly see what options are coded into the car. Its a small expense if you contemplate buying one and have money to spend on a car.
I wish the U.S. had hatchback 1 series bmws.
Can I find a xdrive m135i same in the video in uk
What do I look for on auto trader to find one of these? There's no m135i listed as a model
In filters go to model variant and change it to m sport they are there
Does the n55 share the same crank hub set up as the s55? - and the only reason it doesn’t fail is the lower power of the n55 🤔
Correct ! That is exactly it they share a lot of the same internals. This engine is fitted in the M2 as the M2 never got the S55 it got a performance N55 engine bassically this engine just remapped
@@BMWDoctor Thanks I’m an M2 2017 owner, is it worth fitting a capture plate in your opinion? - I have no plans to modify and remap
@@BMWDoctor not just remapped, couple of things different with m2 n55 engine, it isn’t an ecu thing, they’re higher power like these are higher power then the usual n55’s
Totally agree autos all the way 😀 👊😎
I'm one of those people who doesn't really care if the automatic gearbox is better, faster, and gets better MPG. Of course it is! But if I'm not rowing my own gears, I don't want it!
Pity how you talk about manual.
Some people like to go sideway you know
Lol you lost me when you said there's no point buying manual. I get the ZF is superior if you're only talking about winning races, but manual is always more engaging.
You lost me again saying you prefer the n55 over B58.
Anyone that says that just didn't have the extra coin for the m140i it's that simple
Thanks dean can I just ask what mileage was on the car thanks 👍
When I bought it 290,000 miles
@@BMWDoctor ok well that answers my next question should you buy one with 100 thousand on the clock thanks for the reply 👍
Not even a issue mileage on these cars believe me. BMW smashed it when they revised this engine in the F20 they really really did finally listen to the people and all there mistakes from previous generations.
18:40 The reason it's not in the USA is simply because these types of cars are not liked there....
In europe we have so many small hatchbacks because fuel is expensive so they've become popular. Not in the US. It's definitely not because they can't handle 300hp... That's also not much power these days anyway.
Plus they have the m235i which is the exact same car and also had the previous 135i because it's a coupe.
Most are worse drivers there yes, but these people don't really buy performance cars, just crossovers so that's irrelevant.
Been looking at this model in blue but there are loads of abused cars out there Dean I’ll keep looking 🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍
Don’t I know it bro 😂 too too many of abused and done up ones. Best thing to do is try get one that ain’t had the latest software that means it wouldn’t have been launched or driven like crap. I must say I got very very very lucky with this one as I can’t find another unabused lady owner one like this anywhere for the price.
@@BMWDoctor I will get one eventually it’s out there somewhere Dean
Paul when you want to find one hit me up on Instagram or email send me your number I will help you find one and even come with you to look at it for you 👌
@@BMWDoctor thank you very much Dean will do 👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Doc, hopefully yours will not be a target for theft. Crikey!
Manual M140i more engaging to drive. Won’t be long till you can’t get a manual car, so best enjoy them while you can.
I don't agree ! I can tell you right now from someone that knows the car market very very well, The manual is cheaper and is NOT desirable at all. No matter where you look where you go who you ask everyone will tell you the ZF8 is the only way, That gearbox with the N55 is the perfect combination. Most who will say the manual is better is because manual is much much cheaper then auto and I don't mean £1K Cheaper, I mean like £3-4K Cheaper. Just have a look around and see how many people buy the autos immediately and the manuals sit there for many many many months without getting touched.
@@BMWDoctor I bought it because I loved it. I don’t commute or live in a city so simply don’t need an automatic. I also don’t care if the auto is quicker and has launch control, the manual M140i is still stupidly quick. As for value, I bought it for less than an auto and so expect it to always be worth less when I come to sell it. However, they sold around 1,000 manual & 10,000 autos, so it will be rarer. And BMW seem to not be offering manual option either now. So in the future if you want a performance BMW with a 6 pot engine & manual your options will be limited. But as I said, I’m not in for the money, I simply love the car.
I agree ! And if we was in the USA, I would say it would be worth a fortune. But as the Uk is so overpopulated with manuals in every single manafacturer I find it very very hard to believe that will go up in value, and your right I don’t live in a city I live in the country on all the A roads all national speed limit, but I like auto and prefer auto over manual any day of the week and I encourage everybody to buy auto. In USA they LOVE manual as it’s rare incredibly rare, where here in the Uk 90% of cars are a manual. I prefer paddle shift and auto that’s the way it should have been going along time ago, and I always said that there is no need for manual anymore who the hell wants to be changing in and out of gears and have a clutch ? Paddle shift is way much quicker more easier. I don’t know manual isn’t for me I owned too many manual cars from 13 years old that I got to hate it. Had many BMWs in manual and it’s just not for me, if I’m honest I think it’s a English thing, as I’m not English so I don’t understand all the hype about manual I love automatic. Even tho I can drive both just not for me. But honestly I think “Mostly” it’s a British thing having manual as it’s only British people who want manual gearboxes. Hope you don’t take that the wrong way
@@BMWDoctor but 90% of M140is are automatic in the UK. So the 6 pot BMW market is not exactly overpopulated with manuals.
I was looking to purchase an automatic but came across my manual car locally, test drove it simply decided I’m not ready for an automatic yet as I’m only 52 😂. We will all be forced into automatic or electric cars without a gearbox all to soon so I think I’m lucky to have a manual 6 pot performance BMW and hope to have it for many many years 😎
It is funny how it’s all changed 😂 before it would be people in there 40-50s wanting auto, now it’s the opposite it’s people 18-30 wanting autos and people older wanting manuals. I just think it’s the people I mix with and stuff and what is popular in the craze and manual just isn’t desireable I mean I have a lot of friends and every single one of there cars is auto, and even when they ask me I tell them do not get a manual doesn’t make any sense not in this day and age. 🤷♂️ it’s just me f**k knows why I like auto so much 😂
It’s not set up for handling at all mate, exactly the same as a 116i etc apart from the engine
Never owned a Automatic, probably never will, all the ones ive driven have bored the hell out of me.
So all in all u would recommend one lol
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I'm been looking at a 135i but I did find one and the engine rattles loads which they say they have had top off engine and its not tappets but the company say its all ok
Auto is crap to drive. Manual drives a lot better. For starters 1-st gear in auto is too short and usually just wheel spins.
Short answer NOPE .. n55 the worse engine bmw ever produced
its almost bulletproof so no
Bmw is known for unreliability. Like every german car in new millenium.
Take care of the car you'll complain less
My 135i has the 8 Speed auto. an dose a whining sound when reversing. is that normal?