🇺🇸 Viper vs. 🇩🇪 Audi vs. 🇯🇵 Lexus V10 Engine
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- These engines as many others of any identical design are very different from each other despite the fact they are all V-10s. They vary in size, weight, used materials and the pure behaviour is completely different. I let you to decide which one is the best, but we can all agree that every single one is spectacular.
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The LFA has also forged aluminium pistons, not steel. I feel stupid for the mistakes occuring in the videos, huge apologies! Don’t let that distract you away from the pure beauty of these engines
Everyone makes mistakes
Bro in the grand scheme of things you're a true petrol head genius 😂
carrera gt is the best
No worries 🤙
@@wvision1433 yes, including the Carrera GT engine in the mix would have been great
From the sound and tech side the Lexus is the dream to have, but the viper with the big displacement is really good too, as for the audi it's basically right in the middle for everything
Yes, and two very different cars. I think younger me would go the viper, now days the Lexus.
@@liamgross7217 yup, both of em' are solid but the lexus just has more of that exclusivity to it
@@WildShotZ14 I’d be very happy with the Audi as well.
@@liamgross7217 yeah of course me too, especially the manual one on the facelifted gen 1
No kidding, I think the Audi's sound is pretty mid
I wish you had included the Carrera GT V10 in this as well ! A bigger engine than the LFA's, but still revs sky high, and F1 derived no less... lots to talk about !
Completely missed that one......good call
Great video nonetheless 😊
I was going to bring up the Carrera GT also.
Best V10 of all time, but best Porsche engine is still the Type 912 for the 917 and 917 Can Am Killer
And the BMW s85 V10, which is also an absolute marvel when maintained correctly
Lexus LFA, the BEST sounding engine ever!! Viper still has its appeal and would be a more probable option to actually own one day
@footballcoreano nah, and why like your own comment
The LFA sounds too synthetic.
If the LFA had been mid-engined and better looking, it would have been and modern legend and put a serious dent and Ferrari's business model.
Its been a legend since start going up in price and seems to be NO stop on that
@footballcoreano damn right lfa sounds like utter shit can't beat the raspy beesting bmw s85 v10
The Lexus V10 sounds the best. It sounds so smooth and emphasizes the higher harmonics so well. But the Audi still sounds great, and the Viper has its own appeal being a giant beast, it sounds rougher and angrier.
Imagine aggressively replying to someone’s opinion, likes, and preferences with belligerent nonsense about what you THINK.
What on earth are you so triggered over that possessed you to reply to this guy like that. He was even so nice as not to shoot down any of the brands or engines mentioned here and you still spat on him
@footballcoreano cry more boy 🤣
@footballcoreano I'll take a German over an Italian car any day of the week. Why? Because I know it will start.
@footballcoreano who hurt you lmao
@footballcoreano maybe if you said f50 I’d take you a bit more serious
I'm glad it was mentioned that the 1LR-GUE was smaller than a V8 and as light as a V6, for a while I thought I just misread an article or something
I would add that it made power of a V12 and a sound of a V16 or even V20 :)
God tier engine
@@technics-n-thuiast8346 power of a V12 in the early 00’s maybe. Merc’s V12’s made more power wt the same time. (They were bigger though tbf)
LFA V10 for me, please. The sound & overall feat of engineering is what does it for me!
@Prime Artemis Fanboy. That's why the Mazda 787B won Lemans in 1991 right? That's why Toyota has been dominating Lemans in recent years also? And I don't suppose you also realise that the Nissan GT-R AND Lexus LFA have both won the 24 hours of Nurburgring.
I love German cars as well, but be honest with yourself. Don't be a fanboy, just learn to appreciate cars for what they are regardless of country of orgin.
@Prime Artemis Also you seems to overlook the fact, that LFA never raced. And LFA is super rare supersport while cars with Audi V10 are anything but rare tbh.
@Prime Artemis lexus is toyota..............
@@Hrakuun the LFA never raced 😂😂😂 pls do some research before you talk shit about a car which sells 2x more than its original price which was deemed overpriced! Compared to all the other cars y'all speak about
LFA was not worth the price when a Nissan GT-R could smoke it
Viper V10 is my pick. Simple engine design making huge torque and horsepower. Very reliable. The sounds it makes are very unique.
One interesting thing is that audi is undersquare and 5.2l. Bmw s85 is pretty oversquare and 5.0l. But their torque/power curves are nearly exactly the same
Yes I think people believe that undersquare vs oversquare affects the performance of the engine WAY more than it actually does, especially on a street engine. On an 2 valve engine it matters a lot more because you need the big bore to get adequate valve area. This was noticeable on a Chevy 302 vs 305. Basically the same displacement but the 302 is a much better performer because the 4" bore allows for much larger valves.
Yes, but the Audi will outlast the BMW as far as reliability
@@tskraj3190 No
@@tskraj3190 no no no the head and entire oil lube system need a frequently job, Is a rule for all V10 engine, it's a" native issue" of this engine, a price for pay.
You mean a pimped Lamborgini engine.
The Lexus is the best without a doubt, but HUGE respect to Dodge for making a mass produced V10 the public can afford. The Viper is truly a legend of a car.
@footballcoreano Audi is just a glorified Volkswagen. Audi just seem so basic compared to the dodge, let alone the LFA.
@@alexlopez5800 and yet, the Audi v10 is being used by everyone for big power. Unopened Audi v10 motor running 7 seconds in the quarter mile. The other two can even barely compete 😂
@@raidan3123 lol the viper v10 holds the record for the most power off a stock engine at just over 3000hp, audi can't even come close to that. Their engines are build like paper.
And o yeah, that viper runs under 4 seconds down the quarter. Here's a rule of thumb, don't challenge the Americans in a straight line race.
@@freddarau lol. Yet they can barely scratch 200mph in 1/2 mile stock. Let's not even talk about built engines. They only do 244mph. Try doing 250 mph. Or even reaching past 260mph which is the current record held by a audi v10
@@raidan3123 *dodge viper ACR knocks on the door*
I've always loved the sound of the Viper. Still one of the coolest cars Dodge ever made. 👌
the 1LR is quite the work of art if you ask me
but i also love the raw unrefined viper V10 experience and all the torque it produces
I like the *Viper V10* the most. That big-block roar is *music to the ears.*
I'd like to also see a video about which *V8* sounds better -- *flat-plane,* or *CROSS-plane?*
Crossplane (in my opinion) with two exceptions, the gt350 and the new corvette z06
@@fadedsoul23 They are both flat-plane.
2-plane crank, without a doubt. GM really screwed the pooch putting a 1-plane crank in the LT6.
The cross plane got the classic idle rumble and high rpm lion roar, while a flat plane actually sounds pretty close to a 4 cylinder. The "impressive" sound you hear from modern factory perfomance cars are often heavily based on fancy exhaust design.
Cross plane no second thoughts just hearing it rev to 8000rpm it's gonna drown everything, here's a clip of venom f5 engine named fury
czcams.com/video/P-ujXe8MS-E/video.html
I love the f1 sound out of the Lexus
But my heart is all about that Manual transmission Viper
Viper's real driver machine period.
They all have their positive attributes and it is difficult to choose a favorite. I'll take one of each! Thanks for keeping the wild, weird and wonderful engines coming!
Would have been great if you could have included the BMW V10 in the line up.. my vote goes to the Lexus unit. I do love a short stroke!
I'm curious if the Audi v10 is the same as the BMW V10?
@@ufarkingicehole it is not same
@@ufarkingicehole how in the fuck would it be the same?
Can definitely appreciate the cutting edge technology in the LFA but I love how simple and brutish the Viper V10 is. Seems agricultural in comparison, with the OHV and 2V/cylinder, but it's just monstrous torque the whole way. And I love that.
Also if you want to strap turbos onto them the viper is going to slaughter the others.
Чувак, смотрю с самого начала канала. Спасибо тебе за видосы, так держать!
I think Porsche V10 is a good engine too,with a mindblowing sound and power
Thanks for making this, I learnt a few things as always 🙂
I like the LFA the best. Definitely the most refined sound. It literally has a exhaust note.
F1 needs to employ Yamaha to get the next turbo hybrid to join the choir of angles... lol.
I like the Audi the most but to be honest all of them sound great. The Audi has a pleasant mix of the two.
Don't for get the timing chain is between the block and transmission audi don't last
Just saying but out of all the one that's capable of handling the most power is the vipers v10 especially the gen5 model. If I remember correctly the calvo vipers are making 3200+rwhp with a stock block gen5 v10 which is astounding.
Again, I admire the very good research !! I do know something about piston engines, I used to work on massive ships engines in my job. But those videos give insights I never knew how to take over. Thanks a lot and . . . . . . . . keep on with that stuff !!
My favorite: the lexus with the 72° bank angle.
Awesome, you should do more of these comparison videos
Lexus LFA All The Way !!! That engine sings like it was Heaven Sent !
These videos are the best. Keep it up!
Loving your videos!
I'm a Viper fan, it's my dream car to own one day. But I cannot deny that the Lexus V10 sounds the best. Almost exactly the same pitch & roar of the old V10 Formula 1 cars. Just... amazing!
This video is great, my man! All the best.
Agreed. I have two Vipers but that LFA sounds far better.
@@TheSquiddlyspoogeWhat generation of VIPER do you have?
LFA the screaming beauty, best sounding car ever made
I love the sound of the VIPER but i'm also impressed by the very high tech LEXUS engine!
Love Vipers.It's a shame that they killed the production line of Vipers.
Lamborghini help developing that engine block...
They should of supercharged the viper instead of the Challenger/charger ( Hellcat = boat ).
@@alexlopez5800 Nah, turbos are the way to go for the viper
@@beachesandhose2374 very much true.
Lol if they made a turboed viper from the factory, that car would have a bigger k/d than Stalin
That Audi sounds really good but than again the Lexus did too.
The Lexus of course. If it's so compact, I wonder if it could replace the V6 in Lotus Evora? That would be epic ✌️
Pity the Lexus looks so fugly.
@@MattBrownbill We're dicussing engines.. I think? You must be British..
@@heinedenmark good engine, ugly car, shame. Nuff said.
@@MattBrownbill Ugly for you, shit's beautiful
@@mikblues_146 I must admit, As a lover of 60s and 70s American muscle cars, modern cars leave me cold. That's a 'me' problem I guess, lol.
Great video! again
I'm not a Dodge guy but that Viper engine design dates back 30 years so to compare it to modern day V10 isn't really apples to apples here. Not to say that it's disadvantaged necessarily it is still a beast. The last 30 years of engine development is huge tho.
As long as you are grading an engine on its ability to power a vehicle, rather than its emissions ratings, or what tech it has, or other things like that then there really isn't a problem with comparing old engines to new ones. Viper v10s can be built up to 3000hp so its up there with the best in my book
most of that development is found in metallurgy, head, cam and fuel injection design. The short block (the engine block and its architecture) really doesn't matter.
Yea the Lexus IS more advanced, but is it better? I dunno. Large displacement pushrod engines have that shit-your-pants immediacy that you just don’t get with an engine that makes all its power up top
Viper block is built too last and all others I built too break
Seems like you hurt the dodge fanboys 😂
Tough choice VR but I would go with the Lexus.
Great content as always 👍
LFA all the way, that sound is just insane
Perfect content!
Lexus, with the help of Yamaha, made the best V10 engine imho, period.
the Lexus v10 is a work of art
Viper is the best idc
From a Corvette owner, I pick the LFA, the sound is heavenly and it makes a good investment; it is the only car out of the three that will keep going up in price.
Reminder that the LFA costs more than the other two combined.
What's not to like about any of these V10 engines
My favorite is the Lexus LFA!
The LFA is by far the best sounding
The funny thing with the Lexus V10 is it was made by Yamaha, which makes lots of engines for various car manufacturers and also motorcycles. The original and 2nd generation Ford Taurus SHO had engines made by Yamaha, and the 3rd generation Ford Taurus SHO's V8 was partially developed by Cosworth and Yamaha, and they co-developed the Ford Zetec-SE engine. Yamaha also developed the engine for the original Volvo XC90. Yamaha also has worked with Toyota for decades, developing the engine for the 2000GT, the 4A-GE engine's cylinder head, as well as the cylinder heads of pretty much all of Toyota's performance oriented engines versions. Yamaha was also a F1 engine supplier and designed a concept for a supercar with an engine based on the F1 engine named the OX99-11 V12.
yup, me and my friends noticed it too, if anything goes fast and reliable yamaha or cosworth had they nose in that.
Also any toyota head with -ge or -gte is a yamaha designed one...
You also forgot to mention Yamaha also produced/manufactured some premier marine engines with superior reliability and performance.
i would easily pick the lfa there is nothing that can beat the sound of that thing
Eh, they sound almost synthetic in person
Literally any S85 with an Eisennman exhaust. Sit down.
@@InsaneBimmer ey the e60 is one of my favourite cars despite the looks I would say it is second or third in the list of v10s
@footballcoreano damn what did you smoke
I love the LFA sound 🥰
Next one, bring the Bmw V10 m5 e60 and the porsche carrera gt! Great video
I'm a die hard VAG fan but the Viper got me since I was 10. That sound is just amazing.
Viper stole my heart years ago... never gave it back! State-of-the-art sledgehammer! Brutal AF... Tough toy for rough boy. Also sounds as nothing else! Defo my No1!
Viper stole my heart back in 1992 :P
I don't want to be that guy, but viper engines sound really similar to the volvo inline 5. Two of my favorite sounding engines.
American crap engine
@@flinch9748 what is your "expert opinion" is based on?
@@badass.mechanic 8 years of head mechanic at a Chrysler dealership.
I would love to own an LFA as a second daily car for fun.
Actually, i don't even have a first car, but the LFA is the point here.
Great content again. I would definitely pick the LFA of this trio. Wish you had the S85 out of my M5 BMW 🙂
Another great video👍 thank you. So which one would I pick, hmmm🤔... all of them please😃
Personally, I just love 1LR more than the Viper and 5.2 engines, mostly for it's low weight, high revs, narrow bank angle, and of course it's ability to meet tight emission standards. It basically was just engineered to beat all the expectations of the time and I bet even now, it still would. Toyota and Yamaha put a lot of work into that V10 and I really appreciate it the most.
@footballcoreano That's... A twin-turbo V8 you're talking about, while this entire video was literally about V10s. And for the record, literally nobody asked, let alone about anything to do with Ferrari or anyone other than the three manufacturers in the video.
@footballcoreano CRY MORE LITTLE BOY 🤣🤣🤣
@footballcoreano dude thats the 3ed time i see the exact same comment chill you hate japanese cars we get it
@@1ace1000 ferrari fanboy's usually as annoying as 12 yo supra fanboys, let them be
Lexus all day. Best sounding v10 ever.
Bro badass video
Lexus is and will always be the best v10 in my brain, forever
The Viper V10 is a classic, but if I had to choose, it would be Toyota/Yamaha engine. Pure perfection even tho it will be a pain to maintain it.
Pain to maintain it, laughs in bmw s85
@@realspeedghxst there isn't any high milage LFA so noone could say, but price wise to maintain def a lot higher
LFA is the best sounding car of all time.
Any of these would be orsm to see in a project car in Australia 🇦🇺 or a ski racing boat ...
Probably go the Lexus engine for boat due to its size and weight...another great video
Keep them coming 👌
The Lexus for its lovely sound! 😍
I love the Lexus simply because I love the sound.
The Audi V10 is so close to great, but they chose FSi instead of 5V so 3/10
5v is not that great. 5 Valves was an interesting experiment but 4 valves works better, makes more power, is less complicated and costs less to build.Not only is it a real estate issue with five valves, but intake camshaft design is really complicated by the three valves. The center intake valves opens at a different time from the other two simultaneously opening intake valves, and theoretically this provides more overlap without resorting to radical camshaft timing. Great theory, four valves work better with simpler camshaft profiles.
This video layout is smooth as silk my guy.
LFA najkrajšie vyzerajúce a znejúce auto na svete!🙂
Sound only I'd take the Lexus V10. Sounds like an F1 V10 when they sounded the best!
I don't think there's a single bad-sounding v10 out there.
all sound beautiful, but that Lexus is something special!
The LFA was the single car that proved not all who have money know the value of automotive engineering and it's greatness ,like how many of you wouldn't have bought it if you had the option !
It was a pure pistonhead engineering statement 👑
Great video. It's sad to think that these wonderful pieces of engineering are being vilified and forced into extinction 😢👎
The LFA just sounds incredible!
The Yamaha Lexus! Best sounding engine!!!
Definitely prefer the sound of the American viper V10 but the Audi does sing amazingly
They all sound good. The Lexus sounds like a super car where there Viper sounds more like a truck with light muffler.
I’m a Audi fan so it would be the Audi for me. That doesn’t change the fact that the LFA sounds amazing. One of the best failed Halo cars of all time. Toyota should try again but not make the same mistakes they made on the first one and nothing of this EV crap lol.
LFA's go for 1mill now. Didn't necessarily fail
Viper all the way
I own two Audi R8 V10 Performance models, and as much as I love the sound, the Lexus LFA’s V10 roar is music to the ears. I had no idea that Yamaha’s musically instrument division had a hand in the exhaust, it now it all makes perfect sense
Good choice in car! Audis are amazing vehicles, but that sound from the LFA just melts everything from your mind once you hear it. The video got it right it, sounds like a very from an angel.
@@alexlopez5800 if lfa is angel then bmw m5 is the demon
Fuck how rich are you?😔
@@Legend-lc9bv not rich enough to own things like Ferrari F40, F50, Enzo, La Ferrari, or SC90.
@@gnashsang bro what do you do for a living please I must know
I have to say I loved the sound of 5.0 Lamborghini v10 way more than 5.2 Audi one but you can't shake the fact that 5.2 is absolutely bullet proof engine it's crazy that people make over 800 horsepower on it and still put 50k+ miles on it
The best sound is from Lexus, but only among these three, but among many cars
According to dodge’s service manual, that viper V10 had a service life from 250k to 350k miles with regular maintenance which is impressive for the time period.
It can last quite a bit longer than that if you keep the revs lower, add a better oil cooler , and step down the oil weight. Also would need to use an aftermarket Thermostat that opens up at a slightly lower temp.
I’m not much of a v10 guy but that Audi v10 is badass!
For me all three engines are awesome but I have to give Audi the win by a big margin considering it is a mass production unit outperforming the Lexus and the Viper on more levels than one it’s way more successful and advanced, Lexus is very expensive to.
Audi simplly can't match the engineering of LFA
@@KingKong-xp6so not because they can’t, its because the Audi V10 is designed to be made in larger numbers. The Audi also makes more power.
@@KingKong-xp6so lmao no. No need to make a better V10 if no one's gonna buy it anyway, just look at your lexus. it literally had a hard time selling.
@@android175 Toyota also could produce twice number of Audi and engine power as well if they wanted to. They wanted to make an iconic car unlike Audi
@@Turbo.RF4 no one gonna buy it? Lmao many LFA even sold way more than original price. And all cars have been sold out.
LFA has F1 exhaust sound 😍
That green/gold viper is beyond dope
The Viper ACR was a beast. When introduced in 2016 they kicked everyone's ass!
0:42 "even piston are aluminium", 99% cars have aluminum pistons most are aluminum or aluminum silicon mix that is usually over 12.5% silicon called hypereutectic cast. And 5:01 Lexus has forged aluminum pistons.
are you sure about the LFA? not saying you are wrong because I am genuinely curious, but I know for a fact the new land cruiser 300 uses steel pistons
The Lexus website says they are forged but not what metal or alloy... Mostly racing Diesel engines and heavy duty applications use them where weights not much of a concern but strength is. Something that revs to 9K is more than likely going to have aluminum pistons.
In the 90s the viper engine probably used forged steel? It is an older design right
@@madjimms I watched the guy on CZcams “Idocars” and he did a full teardown of a viper engine and the pistons had the typical aluminum color to them. Great teardown video btw
@@papastratos99 That's for the 3.3L V6 diesel. Also the Gen5 Viper has forged aluminum pistons that weigh around 400g each or around 550g with a wrist pin.
Audi all the way :)
You should put a Audi V10 in your Gaz, might save a bit on fuel 😅
I'm sorry to hear that :P
Lots of twin turbo kits for the Audi.
Not if u need too do ur timing chain lol every 50000 miles do too over heating remember were the timing chain is
Careful, because WW3 and American Civil War has broken out in the comment section.
I love all of them tbh
well those 3 legendary engines are actually a reflection of the cultures where they were created: muscle(Viper),Performance(Audi),Perfection and harmony (Lexus/Toyota)
@footballcoreano you know how it is: Opinions are like the holes in the ass: everybody has one. I agree Ferrari has the best sounding engines of them all . there is no comparison between Ferrari and the above engines(Dodge, Audi or Toyota). Ferrari is the leader on that department(engines) in the last 20+ years.
5:04 Forged *steel* pistons ???
As this video is about super car engines , I won't be choosing the one from a truck.
Naturally I'd choose the engine developed with Yamaha - the one that hits its 9000 rpm red line in 0.6 seconds.
Aluminium, very sorry!
The LFA is the greatest sounding car of all time tbh and it shows if Japanese people do wanna make something great they can not to mention Supra, r34, rx7, evo also beating Ferrari with nsx
The Viper with a Calvo stoker kit to 9.0 liters is the most epic N/A engine I ever see and manual like it should be.
3:55 Probably one of the best car ads ever. Simple. No nonsense
How can you not have the BMW S85 V10 for germany? 🥺
The viper is the realest engine. Not for show, status or clout. It's for absolutely nothing but dedicated track racing, I respect the other 2 but the viper v10 series will never have a candle held to it
Between the viper and the Lexus would be my choice. Definitely one of those two for sure
The Viper V10 closedeck looks very nice a lot of stability. Forged Steel pistons and a 8:1 compession Rate would be nice to put two big turbos on it😍
Lexus V10 being most likely the longest running from these engines.
I would gamble on the viper engine any day. Detuned reliable HP.
I would gamble on the japanese powerplant any day when it comes to reliability as a whole working power unit, including all the auxiliary stuff, injectors, sensors, coils etc.
@@mikakumpulainen1246 The engine is so weak it might just outlast a Honda civic. I never knew they were so weak, only 350 ft/lbs. You win I would have guest a supercar would make big numbers.
Torque figures are a whole other thing. Tho horsepowers are still above 100hp/disp.liter without forced induction. That's just how it goes with high revving lightweight engines, like with bikes.